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2012
Wheeler and Niese Were Mentioned By Royals For Myers
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Updated by Joe D. at 1:00 PM
Adam Rubin of ESPN New York reports that the Royals actually talked to the Mets more about Niese and Wheeler in trade variations involving Myers – not Dickey, and adds that either way it’s not happening.
Since rumors first floated about R.A.Dickey for Wil Myers I shot down that notion as nothing more than wishful thinking by overly enthusiastic Met fans who see Dickey’s value as being more than what actual baseball GM’s see him as.
How can 29 rival GM’s take a risk on Dickey when the Mets themselves are afraid to offer him the $15 million annually which is what Dickey is reportedly seeking?
If the Mets don’t want to pay him like an ace, how can they expect other GMs to view him as an ace?
Like I’ve said before (and Jeff Wilpon has stated 2-3 times in the last week or so), there’s a really good chance the Mets don’t trade Dickey, don’t extend Dickey, and he ends up playing out his option and becoming a free agent at the end of next season.
If the Mets are reluctant to give R.A. Dickey “Ryan Dempster money”, what message does that send to rival general managers?
Original Post 1:00 AM
Jon Morosi of FOX Sports reports that the Royals are pursuing a variety of starting pitchers via free agency and that their top target is right-hander Anibal Sanchez.
The Royals are also very high on the Rays’ James Shields, and Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star believes they wouldn’t hesitate to deal outfield prospect Wil Myers for the right-hander.
Royals GM Dayton Moore insists he will not rush into any decision and could wait until after the holidays if he has to.
“What happens a lot of times,” Moore said, “is you get in this environment with the 29 other teams, and everybody is pushing in different directions. You get a lot of opinions and ideas.
“Sometimes that can paralyze the decision-making because there are a lot of different scenarios, and you want to give them all their due. You filter through what has legs and, sometimes, they continue to move forward after you get back in your office.”
Shields, 30, won 15 games for the Rays last season with a 3.52 ERA and a 1.16 WHIP in 227.2 innings pitched with 223 strikeouts.
Incidentally, it was Dutton who also reported yesterday, that any talks with the Mets for R.A. Dickey are dead.
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As much as I want Wil Myers (KC) or Travis d’Arnaud (TOR) for Dickey, it just looks increasingly likely that Dickey will be with the Mets in 2013, whether it’s with an extension or not, I don’t know. I love the guy but really want to see this team add young fresh talent for the future.
Hopefully the Royals strike out on Sanchez and Shields and get desperate and do a Myers for Dickey trade with us. Just a 1 for 1, because Tampa Bay supposedly want more then just Myers for Shields. I believe in Sandy though. LETS GO METS!
A few minor notes that don’t really constitute a full article…
Apparently, the Mets were interested in trading for Wilton Lopez (who was sent to Colorado), and Nate Schierhotlz, who ended up with the Cubs.
It is also unlikely they add anyone through the Rule V.
Also, Miguel Olivo is supposedly our top catching target at the moment.
The Astros are looking for a DH. Wonder if we have anyone of interest to them.
Oh we got a lot of DH around here! LOL
Duda and Murphy come to mind…
But I’m not sure I would trade either for a Catcher…
They would have to throw in OF as well.
Murphy isn’t a DH, he’s a corner infielder. and not that terrible of one.
I was honestly really interested in Nate Schierhotlz surprising Mets couldnt sign him…didnt he sign for 1yr $2M
Seems wierd that someone told Dutton that they’d send Myers without a thought. Seems to me that this gives TB free reign on talks that only START with Myers.
supposedly the Rays are in love with Duda…
If so, I would send Duda + some low-end prospects to Tampa, Tampa can send Shields to KC, and KC gives us Myers..
then i woke up
I love this trade but I think it would have to be Duda + a high-end and low-end prospect in order for the Rays to even consider……Duda + low end prospects not enough for this one. Hey but we can dream.
Duda and Mejia?
I would trade Duda in a heartbeat but not now. His value is at an all-time low. The plan is probably to play him regularly and hope that he builds value back up. The time to trade him was last offseason as far as I’m concerned, after the stud second half. I guess maybe he was their fallback plan for 1B.
Would the Mets be interested in trading for a young offensive juggernaut who would instantly be the best player on the team…?
Say the Marlins do something crazy and offer Stanton for Niese, Flores, Cam Maron ( aka our “top” catching prospect, Mejia and Familia …
Can David Wright still be the face of the franchise with 1 ( or more ) player potentially outperforming him ( by a large margin )
Damaja, Stanton is not coming here.. No matter how well your trades ideas sound he’s not coming here. I am starting to get the point here that we should aim lower, keep our expectations at a minimun, and keep getting used to see the likes of brandon hicks and the mike baxter’s of the world… We’re not gonna get better anytime soon, but hey, we signed DW to a long term and he’ll be a met for life, so, we should go rush to get those expensive tickets to go see him, even if it means our team is fighting for 4th place
ok…
say Ike Davis…
say Ike hits 38 HR,s 110 RBI’s, plays solid defense…for 800K a year….
I almost wonder if the met front office would continue throwing dirt on his name…
does David Wright have to be the BEST player on the team to justify being the center of attention all the time…
I just see 4 consecutive seasons of absolute poor 2nd half production….and I cant see how another player does not surpass him soon…
Ike is a possibility…Stanton would be a DEFINITE
and I know with these 3 genius saber wizards at GM, we can steal a lockdown 8th inning guy for some junk ..
o wait…that was the non-english speaking bodega owner / GM we had before that did that…
I am not going to get into a battle with you guys on this but I will say it appears you have no idea what being the face of the franchise or leader even means. I could be wrong, but that is certainly the impression you are giving.
Thanks,
Have a nice day.
the face of the franchise or leader even means”
Ok TRS. Since you know it all, why don’t you enlighten us and tell us what it means? I’d be looking forward to your answer.. Again, i don’t get all the hoopla about who’s the captain or face of a franchise who’s been under 500 for 4 straight years, hasn’t been in the playoffs since 2006 and it appears once again they’d be no good in 2013. I don’t think anybody in KC or Pittsburgh is doing wheelarounds for a captain of team, why? Because losing franchises don’t matter to the viewing public, winning does.
“I am not going to get into a battle with you guys on this”
Have a nice day.
Then why reply? YOu see why people here don’t like you? You wanna join every conversation available there is. You just came in here to post a comment because it is your need to have the last word… GFY
“You see why people here dont like you?” Kind of stuff is un called for and down right immature. Some people need to grow up.
Man does it ever piss you off when someone refuses to stoop to your level.
Have a nice day.
GFY? Good Friday Ya’ll? Friday ain’t until tomorrow. GTY!!!!
I thought it was Good For You?
Wel,, it’s more on some Go _______ yourself..
Stay classy, San Diego.
JDD…..
‘I just see 4 consecutive seasons of absolute poor 2nd half production….and I cant see how another player does not surpass him soon’
So you think that all of Wrights franchise records can be surpassed soon? Wright’s played here 9+ years to achieve this. Even if by some stroke of luck or genius we do get a REAL superstar here, Wright will be long reitired before his records are surpassed.
It just amazes me how the threads here, regardless of the focus of the article, quickly turn into a bash Wright thing. Its OVER……the decision has been made to keep him. GET OVER IT.
Its almost like if a real superstar did come here, some of you would get more satisfaction from Wright being replaced as the media darling, then the superstar actually transforming the Mets to a winning team. It has reached obsession levels here for some of. Please stop drinking the Hater-Aide and try some Vitamin Water.
Let not let our rabid fandom make us resort to the less than classy discriminative name calling. Besides, we were one hit away from getting to the ws in 06. Before you can win you’ve gotta get there. Coincidentally he was responsible for Reyes, wright, tejada, Davis, and giving dickey his shot. Did he make some bad moves hell yes, but he should be recognized for any level of success we’ve had over the past 7 or so years cause at the end of the day these are all his players. So if we’re 2 years away… How bad are we right now with his guys in place. At the very least you had excitement every off season knowing he was gonna make a move.
You guys just won’t let it go…pitiful!
John Franco was the face of the franchise for years and he wasn’t all that great for most of it either….
You just don’t get it that being the face of the franchise has little to nothing to do with the baseball they play and everything to do with thier ability to talk to the press, Meet and Greet fans and Ticket holders, and be the guy to go to when the press comes knocking on a player quote for whatever circus is going on around it.
Mookie Wilson, and Wally Backman, were not HALF the player Wright is but every Met fan continues to love them to this day….
Metsie! This is like the 4 or 5th time you’ve posted something I’ve agreed with this week. Are you feeling okay? This doesn’t sound like you. lol
Fonzie I suggest you check your temperature because I have been saying similar things like this as far back as when Reyes was the name and everyone wanted to purge the entire team of anyone who was on the roster during 2007-2009.
I have always said Wright should be kept as I also said for Reyes.
You keep good players and fan favorites and even if you think they are not enough to carry a team doesn’t mean the solution is to get rid of them but should be to fix the guys around him that fans feel REQUIRE a Wright or Reyes to carry them.
I don’t care that Wright is considered the face of this franchise that’s HIS problem and it doesn’t have a performance metric to live up to in my book.
Duda can outperform him in time and the STATUE is never going to be the guy you go to get a quote from or be the guy on the cover of the annual press guide and Ticket Sale Brochure.
At the end of the day I don’t care what your total performance is compared to other players in the league, if your the best player on the team you keep him and get rid of the guy who is LAST on the list and sucks.
And I don’t believe in trading one GOOD player for two or three lesser players.
Those are a dime a dozen and can be got a thousand different ways, none of which require giving up you best performer!
Only those who have this notion that you need a team all under the age of 27, all must have been on BA’s List or Home Grown MVP Candidates subscribe to that notion.
People talk about CORES and HOMEGROWNS well Wright is a lot better than Rollins as far as core members go, Ike can be every bit as good as Howard, Niese, Harvey, Wheeler could all be as good if not better than Hamels with the right coaching and guidance and we are on the verge of having as much Pitching as the Nats or Phillies if only we get off this high horse “Save the Team for the Wilpons”, “LETS BLOW IT UP FOR KIDS”, “Never spend a penny” and the “Lets try to Polish a Turd” approach we have been operating under for the past two years going on three.
We signed Wright but not because Sandy wanted to mostly because Wilpon made him do it. If Sandy had thought we were ready to start winning he wouldn’t be shopping a Cy Young Pitcher who is only asking for a 3 year contract.
If we wont’t be needing Dickey in the next three years then what does that tell you about the next 4 years we will be seeing?
Find myself agreeing again with Metsie.
Jeter got a 10 year contract and was the face of their franchise. Just how many of those years, if any, was he the best player on that team?
LOL SRT but thats only because you like Wright better than when I made similar points when the name we were talking about was Reyes…
Actually she didn’t. She loved Reyes too.
We all loved reyes…Just some more than others who didn’t love him enough to pay him!
Not sure where SRT fell in that but the truth is the biggest battles where people disagreed with me were regarding my defense of Reyes and Spending to keep out best!
Only difference this year is folks wanted Wright more than they wanted Reyes at the time and now they like what I was saying that applied the same to BOTH!
Great, so now all we need to do is trade for Shields… LOL.
Three way Dickey to TB, Shields to Royals?
LOL, uh nope.
If only TB wasn’t like the Mets in that regards. They need bats.
Honestly, this is why organizations like the Royals struggle. How you can justify trading Myers for Shields is crazy to me. One, he’s better than Francoeur and probably most of the OFers not named Gordon. Two, Shields is a good pitcher but look at his last three seasons. There’s only one great season in there. So trading Myers and his contract would be a NO to me.
Listen, I wouldn’t trade Myers for anything. But the fact that they scoff at making a run for Niese (who’s younger, cheaper, and probably still improving) or Dickey (who’s older but better), means the Royals are headed for another losing season. This would be a steal for the Rays.
I agree Hank. The Royals are not a James Shields or any one pitcher away from contention. They have a plethora of young talent on the team now and also on the fast track to the bigs. It makes no sense what so ever to trade a prospect like Myers for one, possibly two years of Shields if they pick up his option. If they just stick it out while Hosmer and Moustakas continue to develope along with Butler, Gordon and Perez and Bubba in 2 years they could have a powerhouse team. They would be better off trying to trade him for a pitcher like Niese who’s locked up for 6 years or even a Wheeler who can develope with the rest of the young talent. They just don’t get it over in KC.
“How can 29 rival GM’s take a risk on Dickey when the Mets themselves are afraid to offer him the $15 million annually which is what Dickey is reportedly seeking?”
I would think that the Mets could pony up a Peavy type deal in 2 shakes of a lamb’s tail, but they are holding out from doing that because 1. they have all the time on their side, 2. are trying to turn a surplus into a need filler (SP for OF) and aren’t going to sell for just any old deal and 3. Nothing is going to happen before Grienke signs as that will determine if the Rangers are still in or not.
Why hold out if they could get more if Dickey were more than just a rental? I dont see the logic.
There is no risk to signing or trading FOR Dickey at all….
The issue is most GMs will never give up a guy who could be productive for 8 years for a guy who is not even signed past this year until the deadline is in thier face and they KNOW that one year could net them a WS right away which buys them 5 or 6 more years of job security even if they don’t retain the guy they traded thier future star for!
Thats why you got Wheeler for Beltran because they knew if they had won the WS no one would remember Wheeler 3 years from the trade date when he would have been ready.
BINGO!!!!
Thats what Ive been saying………….Owners see playoff money…They can raise ticket prices, food,etc more revenue….Pure Profit!!!
GM’s dont get fired for trading away prospects they get fired for not winning….Myers will take time to develop…time that the KC GM might not have….So why hold onto him so he can shine under your replacement lol….
Which is why most teams would need a negotiation window to hammer out a deal with Dickey, a la the Santana route! That’s why he wouldn’t be a rental! And prospects are traded all the time for difference makers!
They don’t need it if you have already negotiated and extended him.
In fact they like it better because they can judge what they give away knowing full well what the price for his services is before they make the trade.
No team ever trades for a player and then gets a better discount than the team he was on.
In fact the Agent sees what they gave away and asks for more thinking he has them over a barrel because if they don’t win now and/or retain him that trade gets talked about for years!
Teams would prefer to KNOW what they are getting into, what they will be spending before they decide on how much it is worth to them to give away to get him.
The Mets are not reluctant to give Dickey a contract, there waiting for Grienke to come off the board first so attention can be switched to Dickey. It’s that simple, teams are prioritizing Grienke only when he’s off the board can the real market for Dickey open up and if the Mets do not find a good package deal for Dickey then, they will sign him for an extension.
I disagree. If dickey had a 3/45 deal we would get more for him not less.
Nobody in baseball signs a player just to trade him a month later. Does not bode well for future players that would want to sign with this organization.
Isnt that what we.re doing by picking up his option and trading him?
exactly, and you let the team you trade him to have a negotiation period.
Wrong…ecause they don’t have to give you a top prospect to get him they can just wait till the deadline where they are SURE they actually need him or sign him away from you next year!
Metsie! Not if they want to use him this year in their rotation! And that doesn’t take into account Dickey re-upping with the Mets anyway!
Why they can’t use him in July-September when the games are even more important?
By waiting they at least ensure he wasn’t a fluke and know if thier team is actually worth improving.
Make the deal now and if they are out of it in July they could be looking for work by the end of the season.
You have to be sure you need the guy and no one is sure what July will look like…One injury can kill your season.
Because the games in April, May and June count just as much. Don’t win then and not much worry about September being meaningful.
because at the deadline there will likely be even more competition after him.
because odds are the Mets sign him to the team friendly extension before the season if they don’t trade him now.
because if he has another (as in 4th straight) very good to great year, the Mets will tender him and you will lose a draft pick. Plus, in FA, more competition for his services.
Because if you trade for him prior to the season, you can tender him and get the draft pick.
Tamba Rays wont give up Shields for just one prospect….KC would have to give up Myers and at least 2 more prospects to pry Shields away from the Rays…They would rather hold onto him and let him walk via free agency
Just take a look at what they got for Matt Garza…They drained the Cubs for 2 of there top 3 prospects at the time SP Chris Archer, SS Hak Ju Lee and another top 10 guy Brandon Guyer who was the Cubs Minor League Player of the Year in 2010 and a bunch of filler…
KC will have to really pay for Shields
I think a guy who over two levels AA & AAA, hit over 300, over 30 home runs, over 100 rbi’s, and is major league ready, is just about enough payment for Shields. Asking for more would be insane.
Well call The Rays INSANE then lol….
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According to Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports, the Royals have balked at the Rays’ asking price for James Shields.
Tampa Bay reportedly wants top outfield prospect Wil Myers plus an additional player or two. Which isn’t sitting well with the Royals, given that Shields is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2014 season. The two sides will presumably continue to talk. Shields, 30, has a 3.15 ERA, 1.10 WHIP and 8.5 K/9 over the past two summers.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/276737461646934016
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Lets not overblow Myers now he put up those monster numbers between the Texas League but majority in the PCL… 2 of the most hitter friendly leagues in the minors to put some perspective on it F-Mart batted nearly .330 for the entire year in the PCL he ended the season batting .315 he has neeeeever hit .300 or above his entire time with the mets. Im not saying Myers wont be a good major leaguer but we need some perspective when talking about him like he is the next Trout.Myers hasnt done this over his entire minor league career. just last year in the pcl
Shields is a #1 or #2 pitcher on a very good tampa team why should they give him up for 1 unknown rookie?
Well i hope your right because when Grienke signs maybe the Mets can get a small fortune for Dickey because Dickey is absolutely a much better pitcher than Shields if not best in Majors. I’m pretty torn though for trading Dickey I would love to see him back and lead our staff for the next coming years but I would love my own Harper or Trout to call my own.
Trout never hit more than 11hrs in the Minors. He hit 11 in the TX League in 2011 in 353ABs. Myers hit 13 in the TX league in 2012 in 134BS. Sometimes when stats aren’t what they seem–it runs both ways!
I may have broken Twitter tonight when I tweeted this:
@MetsMerized If Rangers get Greinke, Royals get Anibal, Jays get Shields, then Alderson gets one massive case of heartburn.
Like Twitter doesn’t have enough fail whales you have to try and add more.
Speaking of twitter, @coutinho9 trapped me big time. If you want to know the definition of bait this is it. He is such a good guy I had no choice just to walk away.
If Royals get Anibal and think they solved their pitching problems, then it will answer the question “why do they always suck?”
He is 28, a little better than Jon Niese, and he wont cost them Wil Myers. Neither pitcher is anything more than a solid starter who gives a team a chance to win every fifth day
Jon Niese is still developing. The upside is huge. 2012 for Niese was step in the right direction, having lasted a whole season without fading, and staying healthy. The key he says was not overworking his fitness program in second half and getting more benefit from his workouts since his nasal surgery given easier breathing. I think we’ll be seeing low or sub 3.00 era’s from him and 15 or more wins on ongoing basis.
Sanchez is more established having 50 more starts than Niese and two years older but probably hasn’t reached his ceiling despite the added experience.
If Rangers get Greinke, Royals get Annabel, Jays get Shields…there’s still 1 loser out there–the Dodgers. They don’t have the farm the Royals, Rangers, or Jays have, but we might get to pick some good prospects from them in desperation..
$20 says the Dodgers will snatch up either Shields or Greinke.
I saw see a tweet say something to the effect that the Dodgers would have to offer like $30M I believe higher than Texas to match a Texas offer due to the taxes.
You think that will bother them in any way? They have endless amounts of cash, courtesy of Magic Johnson and his group.
I guess we will soon know.
So you think they have no intentions of being profitable?
I think we found out the answer to that question when they tried to go for it last summer with the countless moves they made, piling on tons of backloaded contracts….only for them to not only fail, but watch their rivals win their 2nd WS in 3 years.
So you think that’s their continuing strategy? To lose $100 million a year indefinitely? I doubt that very much. Why cant the Mets be so lucky?
Two words: Bud Selig.
They may be able to buy Greinke but do they have the prospects to pay for Shields?