Or is he just a failed starter whose stuff is not good enough to do multiple innings and only works when you limit how much a team sees him?

Is he a McDowel type?
A Randy Meyers Type?
Is he even John Franco type of Pitcher?

He doesn’t have the stuff that gets you out of innings quickly either via striking out a key batter or forcing him into a GDP.

Did you look at all the available pitchers and what types of Pitches they threw, how they worked the zone, all those things that would be in a scouting report when you thought Ramirez was a good pick?

Or did you do what most ignorant fans do, Look at the player recieved and then ran to his stat sheet to find a reason to like it?

I’m POSITIVE (with what you stated above) the latter is what happened and thats why you failed in heralding the trade.

This is a classic case where SCOUTING is more important than Statistical analysis and why Stats can NEVER be a substitute for scouting cause they are incapable of actually telling you what role a pitcher is best suited for.

Ramirez is not a high K or High GB pitcher at all…He is a very average guy who is only in the pen because he is no good as a starter.

If you’re telling me everything you need is in the scouting report then aren’t you saying you know more than Jim D’Aloia or are you saying D’Aloia’s job is a scham and they don’t listen to him?

NO!

No the scouts would look for the type of pitches he throws, where he throws them and how well he gets it down and keeps it down.

Something You ignore because you and Jessup don’t have the scouting reports and rely TOTALLY on stats which is why you Fail thinking Ramirez’ numbers fit the bill of what I am speaking about!

However, you are the one that said K rate and GB rate.

And I guess you think one K per inning makes you a K type pitcher…

What are the K/IP ratio for guys like Kimbrel, Chapman, Jansen, and Axford?

For GB Pitchers look at guys like Ziegler, does Ramirez have numbers like either of those guy I mentioned?

And if his stats don’t reflect that then obviously he didn’t use it properly and could have been much better!

But now list all the other guys who don’t fit my parameters and are any good!

Does the stats you looked at tell you what type of pitcher he is?

Does it tell you if he is a guy who comes out of the pen and gets it done quickly?

Does it tell you if he is good at holding runners?

Does it tell you anything like that?

What Pitches does Ayala have in his aresenal? Do you even know?

I bet you don’t just as you didn’t know when it was Ramirez with the numbers and fooled you into thinking it was a good day!

But forget all that….

Look at the MET situations and the ballparks they have played in.
List all the best relievers in Met History and tell me what the most successful guys threw.

“If the guys your looking at do not fit one of those two then he is not a good consideration for the pen.”

Now tell me over the last two seasons that Luis Ayala isn’t a good fit for a bullpen.

That’s nice that you don’t want to look at stats. It’s completely unreasonable and illogical to do that though. How do you know if somebody is a K machine or a GB pitcher then if you don’t see actual results?

Because you keep looking at the stats and a good bullpen arm isn’t about his stats but his stuff.

What type of pitcher is he?

High Heat K machine?
Finesse GB Pitcher?

Those are the only two types who consistently perform out of the pen you should be looking for.
If the guys your looking at do not fit one of those two then he is not a good consideration for the pen.