Comments on: The Day Sandy Alderson Ran Out Of Good Faith http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html Mon, 20 May 2013 16:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321534 METS62FAN Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:12:03 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321534 BBLB… WHILE I’M A HUGE BELIEVER THAT 2012 WAS JUST A GLIMPSE OF DICKEY’S ABILITIES I WOULD HAVE TO STATE I BELIEVE ALDERSON IS GOING ABOUT TRYING TO TRADE HIM THE WRONG WAY EVEN IF A POTENTIAL TRADE PARTNER ENVISIONED DICKEY’S POTENTIAL AS HIGH AS I DO THEY WOULD BE OATHE TO PART WITH THEIR BEST PROSPECTS FOR A 1Y POTENTIAL RENTAL BECAUSE SHOULD DIVKEY EXCEED HIS 2012 SEASON, A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY, HIS DEMANDS MAY EXCEED MY PYUSE TO RETAIN HIM.
TO ENSURE THE HIGHEST RERTURN FOR TRADING DICKEY, ALDERSON SHOULD AGREE WITH DICKEY’S OFFER SECURING HIS SERVICES FOR 3 RELATIVLY REASONABKLE COST SEASONS, PKG HIM WITH TGHOLE TO CALM CONCERN OVER HAVING A CAPABLE RECEIVER. THEN GO TO MASRKET OFFERING 3Y OF A PITCHER WHOSE PAST 3Y EITHER MEETS OR EXCEEDS 95% OF HIS PEERS.

THAT, MY FRIEND IS HOW U MANAGE TO MINIMIZE OBJECTIONS & MAXIMIZE POTENTIAL OFFERS.
EITHER WAY, AS THE BEST BET TO THRIOW A NO-NO ON THEIR CURRENT ROSTER DICKEY WOULD BEST SERVE HIS CURRENT MASTERS IN FLUSHING.

]]> By: METS62FAN http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321507 METS62FAN Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:32:29 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321507 PETER, YOU’VE OBVIOUSLY MISSED A VERY IMPORTANT GROUP OF STATISTICS THAT BEGAN IN 2010 AFTER DICKEY FULLY CONVERTED FROM MEDIOCRE CONVENTIONAL PITCHER TO SUBLIME MAGICIAN SPECIALIZING IN DUMBFOUNDING YOUNG INEXPERIENCED,AGGRESSIVE LINEUPS WHETHER @ AAA OR MLB LEVELS AS OVER THE PAST 3 FULL YEARS PITCHING FOR A VERY MEDIOCRE FRANCHISE DICKEY MANAGED TO COMPILE 99 GS RESULTING UIN A 43-30 RECORD WITH A 3.01 COMPOSITE ERA & MERE 1.15 WHIP AMASSING 10 CG INCL 4 SHO WHILE ENDURING BOTH PLANTAR FASCITIS & AN ABDOMINAL TEAR ALONG WITH A SPLIT FINGERNAIL WHILE MANAGING A VERY CONSISTANT 3:1 K:BB RATIO

THE TIME TO POUNCE ON A MARKED DOWN PRICE OF MERELY 10M/YR IS ASAP WHENEVER OFFERED DELAY MAY PROVE QUITE COSTLY AS IT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT HIS DOMINATING YOUNGER MORE AGGRESSIVE LINEUPS WILL CONTINUE MAKING HIM THE MOST LIKELY TO TOSS A NO-NO OF ALL PRESENTLY CONSIDERED AS ROTATIONAL MET PITCHERS. SHOULD THAT HAPPEN HIS SIGNING COST MAY NOREMALIZE NORTH OF 20M REGARDLESS OF AGE. SINCE HE IS NATURALLY IMMUNE TO NEEDING FUTURE TJ SURGERY HIS HEALTH RISK FACTOR DEMINISHES LIKE A NATIONWIDE DEDUCTABLE.

THERE IS NO LOGICAL CAUSE TO WAIT. HIS TRADE VALUE IF DEEMED AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY, SHOULD ONLY INCREASE IF LOCKED IN FOR 3Y AFFORDABLY.
ADERSION SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE FEAR FACTOR DICKEY PRESENTS FOR RECEIVING CATCHERS AS THE MOST LIKELY CAUSE FOR HIS MISSING THE ASG STARTING HONOR AS WELL AS DISCOUNTING HIS PRESUMED VALUE TO A RECEIVING TEAM. SO MUCH SO, ALDERSON CERTAINLY SHOULD CONSIDER DICKEY & THOLE AS A TRADE PKG OFFERING.

]]> By: 86mets http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321236 86mets Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:08:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321236 Great article Robert. I’m 100% with you. But you forgot to mention “We’re not punting on 2013″. Just like they weren’t punting on 2012…….and 2011. Hard to swallow that lie when the special team is already on the field……and about to fumble the ball to boot! What is it with Alderson and his football analogies????? Does he not even know he’s the GM of a B-A-S-E-B-A-L-L team???? LOL :) Oh, not to rub salt in the wound here, but for those hoping for the expiration of Alderson’s contract as GM as a beacon of possible light, forget it. When he’s done his protege J.P. Ricciardi is poised to replace him. Remember that fresh 3 year extension he got just a few weeks ago? It sure wasn’t given to him to remain an Assistant GM for the duration.

]]> By: Peter http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321206 Peter Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:18:53 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321206 For the record as a life long Met fan it is refreshing that Alderson is not emotionally involved, he us handling dickey great, Dickey is desperate for a contract in case he gets hurt or gas a down year, why rush to lock him up even someone might bite at the bait. Rushing to sign him is just not a smart move. LOL

]]> By: Peter http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321205 Peter Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:13:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321205 Yes I mean fired, pennants are not won in December, there is no rush to sign Dickey, he is already signed. There are really no players out there that put the mets over the top that you can get on a good contract. They need to move dickey to get young controllable high ceiling position players. Bottom line. They should have traded wright as well.

]]> By: Marco http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321189 Marco Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:41:15 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321189 Sandy Alderson is a fraud, and that’s been obvious since he’s been here. He has no interest in Mets fans, despite his bs. His handling of Dickey is shameless. He’s planning a status quo team, with some minor ripples, and if Mets fans accept it by buying tickets, they deserve another lost season, which they will get.

]]> By: Metfan Lou http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321163 Metfan Lou Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:42:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321163 Alderson’s previous executive positions were with Oakland and San Diego, two small to medium size markets. This guy was not ready for the Big Time in the Big Apple. It is clear he is out of his element and doesn’t have the moxie to play in our market in New York. We wouldn’t take Brandon Nimmo and put him in the outfield in 2013 or 2014 yet the Mets take a guy like this and the Wilpons make him a lap dog for their failures and he’s too damn dumb to know it or knows it and sucks it up too stuff his pocket with the money. He takes the beating while the Wilpons smile and eat caviar. Ah, the New York Mets- guppies swimming in the shark tank.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321139 Metsie Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:05:51 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321139 Some will tell you it’s too late for Sandy…he Signed Wright!

Sandy got away with what he was doing because some wrongly believed he was saving up for a rainy day and was hoarding money to be able to go on a buying spree at some point to get us a winner….

Because he spent it on Wright they are now saying ok THIS is the moment we waited for and suffered to get to….

And they are now seeing the truth…
This guy was not saving money to spend he was just saving money PERIOD!
Because he actually believes being cheap is good even if your not successful!

He’s not building a team, he is building a good accounting report and thats all he is really capable of!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321136 Metsie Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:00:13 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321136 I see People (and many of the fence jumpers) seem to be irked by the “CHANGES” part f his statement….

I think you all may have missed what it was he had planned to change when he said it!

He wasn’t referring to the OF, the BP, the Catcher at all….

What he was referring to was the 3B and the Pitcher he had planned to trade away that would have significantly changed the look of this team both by omission of two of it’s biggest stars and the acquisition of the windfall he expected to get by trading them!

He tried as hard as he could to trade both Wright and Dickey but he could not get enough to placate either WIlpon/Himself (and the Fans,) into being willing to take the Fan heat such a move would bring about!

No one would bend over for him enough so that he could sell losing such fan favorites to the fanbase, And what he got offerred was never going to be enough to offset what those two would likely do wherever it was they went.

THAT is where the “Significant Change” was going to be and he could not get enough to make that change happen….
So he resigned Wright to a deal he would not have done under normal circumstances, and he is still holding out hope Dickey will all of a sudden be the ONLY pitcher of worth on the market so some other team will spread it for him and let him rape them of prospects, That will fail as well….

And he will wind up with pretty much the same team he had in 2012 with the only difference being the names of the cheap scrubs his WAITING and PATIENCE will force him to sign because all the reasonably priced decent players will have signed elsewhere while he was waiting for a MARKET that waits for no one to turn in his favor.

This guy is still GMing like it is 1990 and Free Agency is still in it’s infancy, A time where teams were still avoiding and unaccepting of the new Free Agent buy what you need reality and those who were close were willing to give away kids to get the one piece they needed because thats how you always got great players before Curt Flood won his case!

He is a man out of time and will never succeed in the new business enviornment of the MLB.
The game has passed this guy by and we should recognize that even if he has a plan its a plan that might have worked but only if he has a time machine that can go back to the late 80′s early 90′s which is the last time it worked!

The game has passed him by!
Just as Kodak found themselves in the wrong Analog business int he digital age…
This guy still operates under what he thinks works but hasn’t since the early 90′s!

All those changes he expected to make was in trading away Wright and Dickey, nothing else because he doesn’t like to spend and will NEVER spend even after Wilpon says he can!

]]> By: TRS86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321088 TRS86 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:44:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321088 I am assuming he means fired.

]]> By: Joey D. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321086 Joey D. Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:42:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321086 Hi Pete,

What fans in what stands?

]]> By: pete http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321084 pete Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:36:05 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321084 The day a GM listens to fans like the ones who wrote this article is the day when the Gm sits next to the fan in the stands.

]]> By: Phoenix Met http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321081 Phoenix Met Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:32:32 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321081 Been around a little Alex. Mostly lurking, reading and taking it all in. Been so sour on what’s happening, I didn’t have the enthusiasm to post much. Things well with you, sir?

]]> By: taskmaster4450 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321077 taskmaster4450 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:18:27 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321077 Alex:

Yankees: CC twice on DL last year; Petite and Kurodo (40 and 38 yr old pitchers); Novo…poor 2012

Phillies: Halliday (injured last year and going on 36); Lee (will he bounce back); Hamels (will the pressure of the contract get to him); Who are their 4 and 5?

Atlanta: Hudson (38 year old ace); Beachy…coming off surgery and out for most of year; Medlen (will he repeat last year not losing in 21 starts)

You can say that about most teams. The Mets were shot last year losing 60% of their starting staff throughout the season. Few teams can withstand that especially when there is so little depth in the organization. Does that mean the Mets dont have questions with their staff? No. But most other teams have the same questions.

]]> By: Alex68 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321068 Alex68 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:01:33 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321068 The moneyballers, Sabergooners and ____ers will disagree with that statement somehow…

]]> By: Matt M http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321064 Matt M Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:44:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321064 Sandy Alderson is the biggest joke of a General Manager the Mets have ever had.

]]> By: TRS86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321062 TRS86 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:39:21 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321062 That’s a good logical question BBL. Yes I would have liked to see some more trades for guys that have high upside and could be ready by 2014-2015. Obviously Wheeler is a big part of that, as was the re-signing of Niese. I also feel like that while they may not be ready by 2014 there has been a change in the draft and development of players, we shall see if that works. I do believe that Palawhatever, the catcher drafted will be a guy on the fast track and believe that he along with some of the others in the minors are fine for catcher of the future. That is why I am not high on trading our chips for catcher. However, OF help seems to be light years away at best. The Mets have been damned by lack of production from a few guys who just seem to be taking up space on the 40 man as OF. I expected much more from Cesar Puello, and Juan Lagares. They’re not dead yet but they seem to have one foot in the grave in terms of being able to help.

Now I am rambling. I guess my point is that while yes the impatient side of me would like to rant and rave. However, I still believe that patience is key in this. I still do think it’s very POSSIBLE for the Mets to build towards the future. If that is trading Dickey for prospects? If that is pulling off a trade of Flores and prospects for a young hitter? Perhaps it’s turning Flores into a 2B and trusting the development of Kirk? I have NEVER cared who found the prospect or this is Omar’s guy or this is Sandy’s guy and hopefully neither do the Mets. So while I am at times discouraged because all the rest of the baseball world seems to have something to talk about while we just have more of the same… I realize that baseball is a great sport full of surprises and turns that we are not always privy to.

I hope that answered some of it. I am too damn tired to put together too many coherent thoughts.

]]> By: BadBadLeroyBrown http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321060 BadBadLeroyBrown Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:34:10 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321060 “Am I the only one who thinks Alderson is doing the right thing with Dickey?”

Most of us agree trading Dickey for younger pieces to continue to build the team for the future is the way to go….

BUT, It is foolish on The Mets and Alderson’s part to get frustrated with Dickey when he talks to the media about his frustrations with his current contract negotiations with the Mets….WHY you might ask?

Because whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

Why is it fair game for the Mets and Alderson to publicly flaunt Dickey around like trade bait while negotiating a contract with him…and not Ok for Dickey to respond and voice his opinion??? Christmas charity event or not it doesnt matter, if the Mets didnt want him to speak about it then they shouldnt have had the media on hand. Or stated to the Media they will not talk baseball but just about the event, it has been done before

]]> By: Alex68 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321058 Alex68 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:28:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321058 BIll88, Just say let’s have faith because we’re mets fans, but don’t sit in front of your computer and write all this nonsense about the mets offense. First you said the mets had no offense, yet you expect a rebound because it was a fluke? While ike davis was on fire everyone else stunk, but wouldn’t be the case that in the first half the mets offense being good was being a fluke as well? The league caught up with what they were doing, which was waiting for a walk most of the time, the results? hitters beign put in 0-2 1-2 holes most of the time, which usually don’t give out good results in the long run..
Also you mention the pitching staff, ummm. ok, how do you know dickey will be as good? How do you know santana will hold up? Gee is a ? mark, Harvey might be the man but at this point who knows, also, where is the bullpen? come on man, just be honest with yourself, you like SA and want him to succeed, hell, me too, but at this point defending him and his moves is utterly ridiculous…

]]> By: Joey D. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-day-sandy-alderson-ran-out-of-good-faith.html#comment-321056 Joey D. Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:25:38 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102653#comment-321056 Hi Bill,

With the problems a general manager is supposed to see occuring down the road – like with our outfield of Bay, Pagan and Beltran not even in our immediate future and only Duda seeming like he could carry the bat to replace them, don’t you think we might have been better off by trading Beltran for a high rated position player rather than for a top rated pitcher, considering the depth of young arms we already had on the roster and developing in the minors?

Our starting pitching has the potential to be quite good for many years down the road – not even counting Wheeler – yet the complete opposite can be said about our outfield situation.

As far as having faith, if KRod and Beltran could be traded while the Mets were in the hunt for the wild card and that we can go from buyers to sellers in less than three weeks during July of this past season, it is hard to be optomistic knowing what we can expect from this front office should we be in the same position again, based on it’s past track record,

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