Comments on: The Age Factor: Reason Mets Are Reluctant To Sign Dickey, Is Why Teams Are Reluctant To Trade For Him http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html Mon, 20 May 2013 02:46:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-316183 Trs86 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:48:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-316183 Keep in mind the new draft pick compensation will play into all of this as well. You want a pick when he leaves, gotta get him now.

]]> By: Willis http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315998 Willis Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:38:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315998 I respect what your saying here, and above, but I guess we just disagree. I think Sandy is handling this as well as possible. And he’s had a great offseason so far, clearing 2013 money in both the Bay and Wright deals. The table is set. Now we wait ….

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315935 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:39:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315935 It’s not just that he throws an unusual Knuckler either…
its that he has perfected and evolved it into something no one has ever seen and no one has ever been able to do with it.

The Question that has to be asked here…

Is he done? Has he actually perfected it?
Or has he just scratched the surface of what can be done with it?

Cause if there is any room for improvement there then he isn’t done being all he can be yet.

Not likely he will decline unless he loses it so you can expect at least the same or better with the only question being will he stay healthy the next 3 years?

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315928 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:33:19 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315928 There is no suchthig as a bidding war where trades are concerned….

First off your best prospect is your best prospect, it’s either better than someone else’s or it isn’t.

Second they have no idea what someone else is offerring unless Sandy tells them and even if he does it still comes down to is Dickey worth what they are giving to them not what someone else’s prospect is worth to the team that has him.

Grienke signing might entice some others to ask but if they were willing to give what Sandy wants they would have done so already and then made the negotiations on Grienke easier as there would be no imperative to sign and they would have Dickey as a selling point to show him they are serious about winning.

A trade is always going to be about how much they like thier own prospects, how close they feel they are to contention, and how long will they have Dickey if they do give up a kid for him.

No one is going to make a rental trade this far away from the season where one injury can put you out of it and make having Dickey worthless.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315919 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:27:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315919 Will they get as good a deal as we will?

Probably not!

]]> By: jdon http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315905 jdon Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:12:34 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315905 Dickey was introduced to the knuckler late in his career. And he throws an unusual type of knuckler. It is far more likely that he is improving his mastery of the pitch and should continue to be effective. He is always trying new wrinkles as well. I do not see his year as unusual. It is an evolution of sorts.

]]> By: DrDooby http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315882 DrDooby Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:46:46 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315882 The 2013 /2014 free agent market looks rather bleak.
However with more major league ready young pitching and more advanced young arms in Double A instead of Low A and a ton of financial flexibility you can also trade for a star player signed to a big contract. For example Rockies OF Carlos González or SS Troy Tulowitzki for example who could well be available a year from now.

And with a ton of flexibility budget wise with commitments only in the 60 to 75 million range all included ( depending on Dickey getting extended), the Mets can easily take on a mega contract – even if the payroll merely remains in the 100 million $ Range.

]]> By: Willis http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315880 Willis Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:45:33 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315880 I agree with you on this particular point. But any team that trades for Dickey now can have a window to make its own deal with him. Or not.

]]> By: Willis http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315876 Willis Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:43:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315876 It happens all the time. And I’m guessing it will happen in this case. The Mets would prefer to trade Dickey – or, as you said, they’d already have signed him – so it’s just a matter of waiting out the market.

You have to believe that SA has considered this from every angle and decided on this path.

Lets hope it ends up in a bidding war of some sort among the teams that lose out on Greinke, Shields and Sanchez, or among the teams that can’t afford those guys and ibstead want to take a one year flyer on Dickey.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315871 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:41:27 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315871 Thats not xception thats a deadline deal where the GM making the trade KNOWS he is on the verge of maybe winning which is a much different scenario than now where he has no clue if trading away a kid for Dickey means anything for this year?

You can sell it to your fans if your on the verge and just getting help for this year but you don’t make those rental deals at this point in time.

Thats why I said they are not going to get as much sans extention now and anyone who would will simply wait until they are sure it’s worth doing at the deadline.

]]> By: srt http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315859 srt Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:29:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315859 Wow…very interesting. Taking an 8 MIL pay cut for next season – even though overall he’ll get it back. Gives them a bit more money to play with.

]]> By: srt http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315854 srt Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:25:21 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315854 There are exceptions to that thinking though. See Wheeler for Beltran.

]]> By: TRS86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315851 TRS86 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:23:14 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315851 As part of Wright’s extension, his 2013 salary will be reduced to $8MM, and he’ll defer $15MM until after 2020, according to Brian Costa of the Wall Street Journal (via Twitter).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#d0y0oY6Zhl818bcK.99

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315847 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:18:54 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315847 No you do not because for anyone to want to give you a Prospect or good MLB player they want him for more than that player would have contributed or at least a majority of the length of what they gave up.

No one is going to give you a prospect for one year of service and they are not going to pay for the rights to sign someone they could sign next year anyway!

They will wait until the Deadline if thats all they are getting and the return on the trade will be drastically reduced.
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]]> By: Willis http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315845 Willis Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:13:02 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315845 If you extend him now then you limit your potential trade partners to those that want him under the terms of the new agreement.

Anyway, the Mets can offer a window within which an interested team can make a deal with Dickey, if that’s what that team wants.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315834 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:00:27 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315834 What I don’t get is if all these GMs are so widely known to be using Sabermetrics aren’t they doing what most Sabers like WAR are supposed to do and look at the Bell Curve on a guy’s performance?

You look at Dickey’s over the last three years his curve is going up.
He’s getting better without a team that is getting better with him.

Thats a sign it’s not as fluke like let say Pagan 2012 may very well be.

If this was a year out of the blue for Dickey you might have some concerns but he has been improving every year and seems to have perfected the Knuckle on the outside but what if he makes it even better on top of what it already is?

]]> By: hotstreak http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315832 hotstreak Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:59:56 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315832 Perhaps definition No. 1
de·lib·er·ate
adjective
1. carefully weighed or considered; studied; intentional: a deliberate lie.
2. characterized by deliberation; careful or slow in deciding: a deliberate decision.
3. leisurely and steady in movement or action; slow and even; unhurried: a deliberate step.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315825 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:56:10 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315825 All Sandy said to them was that he planned to spend money as it came off the books….
The question you have to ask (and they should too but are just taking him at his word) is do you believe him?

Who is due to be an FA next year and how much will he cost?
Is there no one available this year that gets it done better than what will be available then?

And if thats the case why wouldn’t Sandy work out a deal where both (Dickey and Wright) take a big deferred payment next season instead of full salary this year, so he can spend next year’s money now and get a season head start on competitive baseball?

Have Wright play this season for 8 Mil, Dickey for his normal 5Mil (savings of 17 Mil) and give Wright a 10Mil, Dickey a 7 Mil deferred payment next year when Santana and Bay are off the books.

Isn’t this the type of creative and out of box thinking this guy is supposed to be good at?

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315817 Metsie Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:47:15 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315817 “Dickey’s highest value is as an unsigned Cy Young Award winner with a cheap one year contract.”

I Disagree….

No one is going to give you the top prospect in thier organization, Someone who could contribute for 5-7 years at close to league minimum for a one year cheap rental and the priviledge of giving him another contract that might be more expensive than the one he is giving us because he likes it here.

If we had him signed and under contract to the terms that have been widely known and discussed he is still dirt cheap for a Cy Young Pitcher and the GM who trades for him can sell it as a trade of 3 years of known for a MAYBE 4 or 5 years from now.

Dickey Value INCREASES if he is signed longer than just next season and 5 Mil.

]]> By: Willis http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/12/the-age-factor-reason-mets-are-reluctant-to-sign-dickey-is-why-teams-are-reluctant-to-trade-for-him.html#comment-315815 Willis Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:46:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=102218#comment-315815 The diehards are also the ones who typically have strong opinions on what constitutes an acceptable return for Dickey. So, I think the average fan will hate any Dickey trade and the hard core wi be split among those that like the trade and those who don’t. And right now very few have any faith that the Mets organization has any idea what it doing.

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