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	<title>Comments on: Rangers May Leave The Mets At The Altar Too&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: sarge69</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarge69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, apparently, the Wilpons are involved to an extent, apart from the $$, and Jeff and Fred might have an issue with RA. 

What I don&#039;t know because his story has brought lots of attention, positive type, to this franchise that counters the bad history  with the Madoff scandal and the Wilpons questionable moves and signings.

RA, publicly, has been a positive on and off the field so I don&#039;t see what the hold up.

Sign him to a 2 year extension between $20-$30 million or tear up the 2013 and make it a 3 year deal with  similar money and then he can help stabilize the rotation next year and possibly in 2014 when Johan is gone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, apparently, the Wilpons are involved to an extent, apart from the $$, and Jeff and Fred might have an issue with RA. </p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t know because his story has brought lots of attention, positive type, to this franchise that counters the bad history  with the Madoff scandal and the Wilpons questionable moves and signings.</p>
<p>RA, publicly, has been a positive on and off the field so I don&#8217;t see what the hold up.</p>
<p>Sign him to a 2 year extension between $20-$30 million or tear up the 2013 and make it a 3 year deal with  similar money and then he can help stabilize the rotation next year and possibly in 2014 when Johan is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[keep telling evyone to no avail....

The price or return on a trade does not change in any real measurable way merely because a free agent guy signs and is no longer available...

If they really felt they needed to up an offer they would have upped it to the Free Agent to get him, not some team that was the backup plan if they didn&#039;t.

Teams have already decided wghat having Dickey is worth in Kids and players. Nothing is going to change that.

And it was always foolish to think you were going to get a lot of young talent for a 38 Year old, especially one who is only signed through this year!

Just Sign him and move on to the other things that need tending, If someone comes back to you who already rejected you then you can raise the price even more on him because he will now be signed through the next 3 years and is no longer a rental and a FA headache next season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keep telling evyone to no avail&#8230;.</p>
<p>The price or return on a trade does not change in any real measurable way merely because a free agent guy signs and is no longer available&#8230;</p>
<p>If they really felt they needed to up an offer they would have upped it to the Free Agent to get him, not some team that was the backup plan if they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Teams have already decided wghat having Dickey is worth in Kids and players. Nothing is going to change that.</p>
<p>And it was always foolish to think you were going to get a lot of young talent for a 38 Year old, especially one who is only signed through this year!</p>
<p>Just Sign him and move on to the other things that need tending, If someone comes back to you who already rejected you then you can raise the price even more on him because he will now be signed through the next 3 years and is no longer a rental and a FA headache next season.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Jeffy Wilpon - seems to have his finger on the pulse once again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Jeffy Wilpon &#8211; seems to have his finger on the pulse once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally Backman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally Backman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tally-ho.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tally-ho.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;I hate this ownership!!&#039;

You&#039;ll get no argument from me on that point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I hate this ownership!!&#8217;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get no argument from me on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mets are already married to Mr. Wright.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mets are already married to Mr. Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you.
And...I hate this ownership!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br />
And&#8230;I hate this ownership!!</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t see the show.  I only know what I read from comments on other blogs from those who did see the show.  Some comments:

&#039;Daily News Live John Harper just reported that the Met’s ownership is having a personal issue with Dickey that’s interferring with negotiations. Wney pressed further he said the infamous &quot;some people in the know close to the situation&quot; think Alderson wants to resign Dickey and onwership wants him gone.&#039;

&#039;The basis was that they were a bit tired of Dickey’s self promotion and chattiness.&#039;

Harper&#039;s article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/haper-mets-team-knuckle-pact-article-1.1215205]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see the show.  I only know what I read from comments on other blogs from those who did see the show.  Some comments:</p>
<p>&#8216;Daily News Live John Harper just reported that the Met’s ownership is having a personal issue with Dickey that’s interferring with negotiations. Wney pressed further he said the infamous &#8220;some people in the know close to the situation&#8221; think Alderson wants to resign Dickey and onwership wants him gone.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;The basis was that they were a bit tired of Dickey’s self promotion and chattiness.&#8217;</p>
<p>Harper&#8217;s article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/haper-mets-team-knuckle-pact-article-1.1215205" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/haper-mets-team-knuckle-pact-article-1.1215205</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week on SNY John Harper said something to the affect that the problem between the Mets and Dickey was personal.  Does anyone know anything more
about this story?  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week on SNY John Harper said something to the affect that the problem between the Mets and Dickey was personal.  Does anyone know anything more<br />
about this story?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First Dickey lives 15 minutes away from the hotel of the Winter Meetings.  Maybe he thought a deal for an extension with his new team could be worked out.

Dickey should just say &quot;Lets reach an agreement&quot; or &quot;trade me already if you really are dangling me out there.&quot;  All he needs is Dickey a class act a &quot;Renasissance Man&quot; say &quot;I had it here.&quot; &quot;Trade me.&quot;  Then his market drops when that word comes out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Dickey lives 15 minutes away from the hotel of the Winter Meetings.  Maybe he thought a deal for an extension with his new team could be worked out.</p>
<p>Dickey should just say &#8220;Lets reach an agreement&#8221; or &#8220;trade me already if you really are dangling me out there.&#8221;  All he needs is Dickey a class act a &#8220;Renasissance Man&#8221; say &#8220;I had it here.&#8221; &#8220;Trade me.&#8221;  Then his market drops when that word comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylow59</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylow59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IOW, on a par with what the Royals gave Guthrie.  Actuall less if you tax adjust it and account for COL.  

I get that RA is 38 and a KB.  But Guthrie has had exactly 1 winning season (7-5 in 2007) and has never had an ERA under 3.50, so this is a joke at best and more likely an insult.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IOW, on a par with what the Royals gave Guthrie.  Actuall less if you tax adjust it and account for COL.  </p>
<p>I get that RA is 38 and a KB.  But Guthrie has had exactly 1 winning season (7-5 in 2007) and has never had an ERA under 3.50, so this is a joke at best and more likely an insult.</p>
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		<title>By: vinnie papandrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinnie papandrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why should the Mets give him away, I wouldn&#039;t trade him for Olt. He&#039;s proven nothing. How could you extend him and then trade him. You think that&#039;s easy, have you ever heard of a no trade clause. Give me a break. I&#039;m sure R.A. would say sure I&#039;ll sign this deal no go pedal me to ever you want]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the Mets give him away, I wouldn&#8217;t trade him for Olt. He&#8217;s proven nothing. How could you extend him and then trade him. You think that&#8217;s easy, have you ever heard of a no trade clause. Give me a break. I&#8217;m sure R.A. would say sure I&#8217;ll sign this deal no go pedal me to ever you want</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with a lot of this.  Especially #2.  I have said all along, as long as the Mets are patient and resist just trading him for the hell of it, they are in a no lose situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of this.  Especially #2.  I have said all along, as long as the Mets are patient and resist just trading him for the hell of it, they are in a no lose situation.</p>
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		<title>By: DrDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of questions regarding this column: 

# 1 Would re-signing Dickey to a team-friendly extension, say 2 extra years at 25 million plus the 5 million 2013 option and then turning around right away and trading Dickey to Texas encourage other players to  (re-)sign  with the Mets in the future ? Or would it be viewed as somewhat of a betrayel by the GM or ownership, sort of in terms of the Marlins trading Buehrle, Reyes &amp; Co. less than a year after signing them (and at least they chose to sign there initially while Dickey would get sent somewhere while expecting to stay in NY with the Mets) ? 

# 2 Could it be that the Mets value RA Dickey highly and know what it will take to extend him but feel that it´s smarter to play the market first before doing so ? 

# 3 Would it be better to re-sign Dickey to an extension (say, to the deal mentioned above) now and stop trade discussions (for reasons stated in # 1 and # 2) or try to find out whether a team is willing to pay a high price for the NL Cy Young award winner ? 

If you answer these questions honestly, you´ll realize that there really is no downside for the Mets in this: 
Either they find a team that is willing to pay a high price for Dickey in a trade that should help the Mets longterm while hurting them in 2013. Or they don´t find such a team and either extend Dickey at some point before spring or enter the 2013 season with Dickey being unsigned beyond the end of the season. And then, if the Mets are doing well and Dickey is too, they can hold onto him and try to extend him as a free agent after 2013 or collect the draft picks by making him a qualifying offer. Or they can shop Dickey at the trade deadline and get a nice haul for him too in all likelihood.  

In any case, if the worst case scenario is having the NL Cy Young award winner as your 2013 opening day starter, you´re in a good spot (in terms of this question). 

It certainly wouldn´t make sense to give Dickey away to the next best bidder and trade him straight up for, say, Angels C Hank Conger just to get something for him. Especially not with a team like KC overpaying for a SP like Shields who isn´t more likely to win 18 games or throw 220 IP in 2013 than Dickey at this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of questions regarding this column: </p>
<p># 1 Would re-signing Dickey to a team-friendly extension, say 2 extra years at 25 million plus the 5 million 2013 option and then turning around right away and trading Dickey to Texas encourage other players to  (re-)sign  with the Mets in the future ? Or would it be viewed as somewhat of a betrayel by the GM or ownership, sort of in terms of the Marlins trading Buehrle, Reyes &amp; Co. less than a year after signing them (and at least they chose to sign there initially while Dickey would get sent somewhere while expecting to stay in NY with the Mets) ? </p>
<p># 2 Could it be that the Mets value RA Dickey highly and know what it will take to extend him but feel that it´s smarter to play the market first before doing so ? </p>
<p># 3 Would it be better to re-sign Dickey to an extension (say, to the deal mentioned above) now and stop trade discussions (for reasons stated in # 1 and # 2) or try to find out whether a team is willing to pay a high price for the NL Cy Young award winner ? </p>
<p>If you answer these questions honestly, you´ll realize that there really is no downside for the Mets in this:<br />
Either they find a team that is willing to pay a high price for Dickey in a trade that should help the Mets longterm while hurting them in 2013. Or they don´t find such a team and either extend Dickey at some point before spring or enter the 2013 season with Dickey being unsigned beyond the end of the season. And then, if the Mets are doing well and Dickey is too, they can hold onto him and try to extend him as a free agent after 2013 or collect the draft picks by making him a qualifying offer. Or they can shop Dickey at the trade deadline and get a nice haul for him too in all likelihood.  </p>
<p>In any case, if the worst case scenario is having the NL Cy Young award winner as your 2013 opening day starter, you´re in a good spot (in terms of this question). </p>
<p>It certainly wouldn´t make sense to give Dickey away to the next best bidder and trade him straight up for, say, Angels C Hank Conger just to get something for him. Especially not with a team like KC overpaying for a SP like Shields who isn´t more likely to win 18 games or throw 220 IP in 2013 than Dickey at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, the Mets just aren&#039;t in a position to do things based things other than business at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, the Mets just aren&#8217;t in a position to do things based things other than business at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You and Joe are probably right.  It&#039;s business and nothing but business.

Probably us fans take this more personal (as in not extending Dickey with a reasonable offer) than Dickey does.  I heard his comments where he realizes baseball is a business.  And it&#039;s his job and livelihood.  

You know as Mets fans we&#039;re always waiting for that other shoe to drop.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Joe are probably right.  It&#8217;s business and nothing but business.</p>
<p>Probably us fans take this more personal (as in not extending Dickey with a reasonable offer) than Dickey does.  I heard his comments where he realizes baseball is a business.  And it&#8217;s his job and livelihood.  </p>
<p>You know as Mets fans we&#8217;re always waiting for that other shoe to drop&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is Joe, it&#039;s so early and the Mets need so much.  Why shouldn&#039;t they play negotiations out like everyone else?  They don&#039;t have the players or the resources to do things based on loyalty and goodwill.  
Fact is that he is signed for 5M next year and is going no where unless they get an impact bat.  That&#039;s all we know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is Joe, it&#8217;s so early and the Mets need so much.  Why shouldn&#8217;t they play negotiations out like everyone else?  They don&#8217;t have the players or the resources to do things based on loyalty and goodwill.<br />
Fact is that he is signed for 5M next year and is going no where unless they get an impact bat.  That&#8217;s all we know.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been apparent all along that there&#039;s been plenty of give and take in these negotiations. But Dickey has been doing all the giving and the Mets are doing all the taking. When Dickey went from a three year extension down to a two year, I thought that was a huge concession on his part and show of good faith. But I agree with you as far as the dollars for a reigning Cy Young, the Mets are low-balling him to an obscene extreme here. Dickey has given the Mets not one great year, but three of them. He deserves to be treated better than this. He has at least three more very solid years left in him, I&#039;m not even worried about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been apparent all along that there&#8217;s been plenty of give and take in these negotiations. But Dickey has been doing all the giving and the Mets are doing all the taking. When Dickey went from a three year extension down to a two year, I thought that was a huge concession on his part and show of good faith. But I agree with you as far as the dollars for a reigning Cy Young, the Mets are low-balling him to an obscene extreme here. Dickey has given the Mets not one great year, but three of them. He deserves to be treated better than this. He has at least three more very solid years left in him, I&#8217;m not even worried about that.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sorry but I just don&#039;t think the hold up is the cash, especially with all the deferred money going around.  I think they are just waiting to see if they can get a GM to panic and if not then will settle for something in between those two numbers as SRT mentioned around 2/26 or a new deal equaling 3/30.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry but I just don&#8217;t think the hold up is the cash, especially with all the deferred money going around.  I think they are just waiting to see if they can get a GM to panic and if not then will settle for something in between those two numbers as SRT mentioned around 2/26 or a new deal equaling 3/30.</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If someone is trading for Dickey, they are going to either require a negotiating window or are prepared to drop a Peavy type deal on him after they acquire him and won&#039;t have any issues on an extension.  I can&#039;t see trading for Dickey as a rental at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone is trading for Dickey, they are going to either require a negotiating window or are prepared to drop a Peavy type deal on him after they acquire him and won&#8217;t have any issues on an extension.  I can&#8217;t see trading for Dickey as a rental at all.</p>
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