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MMO Roundtable: Weighing In On The Wright Deal
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David Wright is a Met for life after agreeing to an eight year, $138 million dollar contract.
He’ll be collecting on that deal through his age 37 season. Thoughts?
Ed Leyro – Mike Piazza and Carlos Beltran were the last two everyday players to sign seven-year deals that took them into their mid-thirties. Piazza’s last three years were underwhelming, while Beltran only did well in years two through four and the first half of year seven. Perhaps by 2020,when Wright will be playing in the final year of his contract, $122 million for seven years won’t be considered very much. But I’m still hoping Wright doesn’t follow the roads taken by Piazza and Beltran, meaning that he’ll be able to be productive for the majority of his contract.
Nick Campione - I think it could not have worked out any better for both sides especially the Mets. It makes both sides happy agreeing to a long term deal and keeping the “Captain” here through 2020 and Wright gets his highest paid Met ever deal, through 2020, and security into future. The Mets pay him $17M per or about and it seems now the middle of the contract will be the most because Wright doesn’t want to burden the Mets in his late 30s. He is just what this team needs around.
Dan Valis - Eddie Coleman was on WFAN and said that Wright wanted a downward arc on the money owed to him over the course of the contract. The fact that he wants to be paid less when he is older makes all the sense in the world, and makes me very happy to know he will be paid the right way due to age over the course of the contract. We finally have a star Met for life, a guy who will hold all team records and hopefully be a team captain.
Satish Ram – This was the most money any team has spent on fan appeasement, I believe. I did want Wright back, but not at this cost. I can make the argument that out of Longoria/Zimmerman/Cabrera/Wright, we now have the least productive of the four players locked for eight years, and also with the worst contract. The fact that he got more than Santana by just that smudge is bothering me though. Am I supposed to care about his pride, or something? There’s no pride in being a ball player anymore – it’s about getting the most money? Is that it? Regardless, accepting this contract puts a lot of pressure on the man. Can he perform? I doubt he will earn this contract in its entirety – of course, that can be said about any 8-year contract, so it’s not so much a knock on Wright than it is on the deal.
Clayton Collier – I really liked this deal. The Mets are committed to him through his age 37 season, which isn’t bad at all considering some of the other lofty contracts throughout baseball in recent years. Wright is the face of the franchise and to have seen him walk would have been a knockout blow to the fanbase. Instead it’s now a sign that the Mets aren’t going to be down forever, and will soon be on the rise. This shows that the Amazin’s have a level of fiscal stability again and are still a big market franchise.
Jessica DeMattia – Of course, I’m very excited that David Wright is a Met for life because he’s my favorite! I’m happy that it’s over because I was growing very irritable over conflicting reports. Being able to stay with one team for his entire career was obviously a big deal not only for David Wright, but also for the fans. This puts him in the same stratosphere as Derek Jeter and Chipper Jones.
Michael Rappaport – I like it better than the seven year $140 million contract that was rumored. At the end of the day, the Mets NEEDED to keep Wright in the fold for a plethora of reasons, and not all of them had to do with his play on the field. I’m curious to see how the contract is broken down year by year in terms of dollar amount. I also think that Wright now statistically has the chance to be best position player in Mets history.
Mike Barrett – It needed to be done. He is the best player on the team and without him the Mets can’t win. Also, he is one of the main draws attendance wise and without him, the ballpark would be empty for 3/4 of the season. It is a little much but I can live with it if the team builds a middle of the order around Wright and Davis.
Mitch Petanick – Emotions aside, and once the dust settles, people will realize that this signing did nothing to improve the Mets. This signing goes against everything Alderson believes in and was simply done by the Wilpons to keep Mets fans buying tickets.
Adam Rossi – I think it’s great news for Mets fans. Is it a big number? Sure, but the AAV is right in line with what other top tier third basemen have gotten in contract extensions (Longoria, Zimmerman). Wright has been able to stay relatively healthy in his career and was able to put up his old power numbers last year once the Mets moved the walls in at Citi Field. While he obviously won’t be as good towards the back-end of the deal, he should still be able to produce into his mid-late 30′s. Plus it makes him the face of the franchise for this current generation of Mets fans, which is always a special feeling for any fan or player for that matter.
Mike Branda – There are times when you’re not only paying for the player, but you’re paying for the appeasement of the fan base and the appearance of a healthy franchise. Do I think he’s worth that money on his own? No. Do I think the Mets have appeared to have no financial stability over the last 2 years and this is at least a sign that those days are behind them? Yes. Alderson said that signing Wright was a priority, and you have to acknowledge that he was now telling the truth.
Robert Patterson – I think it’s the right move. The contract is a ton of money, but shouldn’t prohibit the team from making other moves going forward. That’s the best case scenario that they could have come away with.
Clare Lafferty – Yes, many will say the Mets could have used that money to sign other player and use David in a big trade. But, he is the face of the franchise and this deal had to get done for the Mets fanbase. And as my favorite player, I am thrilled that this deal is getting done before the winter meetings and before next season. David Wright is the Mets and I am glad that the organization went after him with a legitimate offer. So, I am looking forward to seeing David hopefully with his best years yet to come.
Gregg Hopps – I love David Wright, and I am thrilled he will be here for the next eight years. David has always said and done the “right things” here, and he’s a gamer. I didn’t even want to think about how the Mets would be without him. The money involved is completely insane. I have a tough time getting my arms around the money spent on professional athletes these days. I’ll just leave it at that.
Jim Mancari – Whatever the Mets needed to do to get this done, I’m fine with. Wright is more part of the solution than part of the problem. Ge wanted to be here, so I’m glad he stayed. Now the organization must do a better job of building around him.
Joe D. – I’m just glad it’s over. I was happy to learn that Wright specifically asked that the deal be structure to give the Mets flexibility in the next two years while not being a burden in the latter years. Classy move by a classy guy who’s still one of the top third basemen in the league.
By the way, Wright will undergo his physical today, and a press conference could come on Friday at Citi Field.
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I knew as soon as i saw this i was gonna see some asinine comments by people who obviously are not paying attention to the front of the jersey, just the back of it, Here’s some samples:
“while Beltran only did well in years two through four and the first half of year seven”
If wright has the numbers beltran had as a met, i am sure people will build a statue of him next to sandy’s bronze sitting on his hand statue..
“Of course, I’m very excited that David Wright is a Met for life because he’s my favorite!”
Shocker
Mike Branda” JesseP
Was there a need to change your name? we all know how your “The mets need to sign david wright comment is having you all pumped up now that is true. Sandy has once said the truth, and it will turn out to be the biggest mistake in his tenure as a met other than losing reyes,beltran and krod for nothing.
“It needed to be done. He is the best player on the team and without him the Mets can’t win. Also, he is one of the main draws attendance wise and without him, the ballpark would be empty for 3/4 of the season”
WHAT??? Can’t win?? What the f*** have we won we him?? 4th place and 4th place after this team was pegged his, you guys are seriously not been paying attention.. My goodness..
“Whatever the Mets needed to do to get this done, I’m fine with. Wright is more part of the solution than part of the problem”
Solution?? What solution exactly? Weren’t we praying to get out of bad contracts and yet we go ahead and give this guy tons of money for what exactly? Finish 4th place again?
“David has always said and done the “right things” here, and he’s a gamer”
He’s done the right things alright, like literally showing his manager off in front ot world, like jogging to 1B after a ground out right? Gamer my ass…
“So, I am looking forward to seeing David hopefully with his best years yet to come”
LMAO, this is just too funny… The man’s best year were 5 years ago!!!!!
“David Wright is the Mets and I am glad that the organization went after him with a legitimate offer”
LMAO, again, the mets are consider to be CHOKE artist, a joke of a franchise and at best a 4th place team, sounds about right that he’s a joke!
Keep it simple – go to every thread, like you do anyhow, and just post “I hate Wright” and move on, it’s all the same, every day, all day.
THoMF, explain to me in any of the comments i made where i am wrong… I don’t get why telling the truth about a player is somehow hating the guy.. I don’t hate the guy if i admit he’s a choker.. If i admit he’s not worth that contract. some of you people are funny, do you guys root for the Mets? Or for David Wright? I don’t go into his at bat wishing he strikes out with men on base? When he does i am not surprised, when he comes trough, look at Y’all reactions in here and that should tell you all you need to know about the man’s inability to come trough in the clutch!
“explain to me in any of the comments i made where i am wrong”
First of all the 2 quotes you provided and attached to my name were a combination of what Ed Leyro and Jessica said. Second of all – if you wanted to use that Beltran quote against the author of the quote you’re basically calling Leyro out who is 1 of the biggest Beltran supporters here.
I said “There are times when you’re not only paying for the player, but you’re paying for the appeasement of the fan base and the appearance of a healthy franchise. Do I think he’s worth that money on his own? No. Do I think the Mets have appeared to have no financial stability over the last 2 years and this is at least a sign that those days are behind them? Yes. Alderson said that signing Wright was a priority, and you have to acknowledge that he was now telling the truth.”
“Was there a need to change your name?” what are you talking about?? Joe D wrote this post. How he portrays my name in it is up to him….
You’re so lost.
You haven’t learned yet there is a difference between truth and opinion? You think he’s overrated and a choke artist doesn’t make it true. Many, in the game, that play with the guy or are on rival teams believe otherwise. If, in your shallow thought process having a 6 time all start and a career 300 hitter is overrated well so be it.
Why is DW a choke artist but Beltran is not? Beltran is the one that looked at Strike Three in Game 7, in 2006, not DWright.
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, IN NO WAY DO I NOW OR EVER THOUGHT BELTRAN WAS A CHOKER, but I’d like to know what makes you think Wright is a choke artist. Are you going to point out one game 3 years ago when he failed in a big spot? Every player, even superstars do not get it done 100% of the time (even the king of pop outs to short Jose Reyes). You have unreal expectations of the guy because you and your small boys club have an irrational hate for the guy, plain and simple.
Wright could hit a game winning grand slam to send the Mets into the Playoffs and you’ll make an excuse how it was not “clutch”, then he’ll do it again and hit a slam to win the World Series and you’ll still call him a choke artist. Your mind is made up. Posting your same tirade about Wright twelve times a day on every single thread, calling out female’s on the site that they only like him for his looks, calling him a choke artist, calling him overrated is old now is really not necessary anymore, anyone with a 1st grade reading level got the point after the 356,789,895th time your wrote it, but go ahead, write it all again.
Use your own words, as fake as they are coming from you, cheer for the name on the front of the Jersey, in spite of the name Wright, on the back.
The Beltran comment was hilarious
Beltran only did well in years 2-4 ???
year one was a decent year for him.
fangraphs had his production at
2005 -
Salary: 11.6
Production: 9
First Year – 2
2006
Salary:13.6
Production:29.1
Second Year +16
2007
Salary:13.5
Production:.22.5
Third Year +9
2008
Salary:18.6
Production:34.2
Fourth Year +16
2009
Salary:13.5
Production:13.5
Fifth Year – Even
2010 – THE BAD YEAR
Salary:17. mil
Production:3.3
Sixth Year -14
2011 – THE YEAR HE WAS TRADED
Salary:18.5 mil
Production:21.5 mil
+3
Add it up….
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=589&position=OF#value
and Beltran’s production outweighed his contract for over 80% of his tenure here
Piazza signed a 7 year contract, had HOF production in the first 3 years, was injured in the next 3 years and had good production in the last year
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=893&position=C#value
overall Piazza’s production only matched his contract in about 50% of his tenure, still you make that trade and signing 7 days a week, i cant question that at all
Wright has a 8 year deal…
If Wright gives production anywhere close to Beltran did from age 27-34, we would be ecstatic
The problem is Wright has not established a consistent pattern of on-field production that convinces me he will be anywhere near as consistent as Beltran
We only hope he can give some HOF years in some meaningless seasons
Its basically…
Snow Wright and the Seven Dwarfs taking the field with The Wizard of RA leading the pack
Same thoughts as Joe D. It’s over and done with and both sides gave a little.
This definitely has the Wilpons stamp all over it. Makes you wonder how much pressure there putting on SA regarding Dickey.
This definitely has the Wilpons stamp all over it. Makes you wonder how much pressure there putting on SA regarding Dickey”
Of course it does.. God forbid you blame sandy if this deal of david wright goes wrong.. You are something else you know that?!
Any chance you’ll be moving past the anger stage and onto acceptance anytime in the near future? You must post half dozen rants daily on how much you hate Wright and the FO.
Same as you and your pathetic attempts to blame the wilpon as soon as something goes wrong.. I mean, how lame and pathetic was the “This has wilpons written all over in terms of his deal.. Why? You think they’re the only ones facing the heat? You think sandy is not looking for ways to apeace the fans and the media as well? If the wilpons listen to the fans as much as you say then sandy will be out of here as soon as spring training comes up. The guy has been the most atrocious GM i have ever seen and people like out are out to prove us wrong by blaming everythig that goes wrong with the team on the wilpons… You are something else.. And fyi, i don’t hate wright, i hate the fact we paid top money for a guy who’s not worth that contract while we’re financially strapped. but somehow that gets past you because he’s your fav player too right? Amazing..
You couldn’t be more wrong on just about everything you’re accusing me of but hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your long winded rants, Alex.
this is where we disagree
I dont think Sandy gives a fu*k about this team to even care about giving Wright that contract
Leave it up to Sandy and he wouldnt give anyone a contract, he is here biding his time til Bud calls him back to the office.
In other words, if signing Wright was the right move…Sandy would not do it
Frank Francisco – thats on Sandy
Trading for Torres/Ramirez – thats on Sandy
KEEPING DAN WARTHEN – thats on Sandy
Installing this retarded PPA on the entire org and shipping out anyone who is different – THATS ON SANDY
Sandy has goofed up and proven he is not GM material anymore and quite possibly never was
Sandy is a COO, not a GM, he would be best served with a Omar Minaya under him as GM focusing on getting top talent
The reality here is that this is who we CURRENTLY have making decisions
Jeff Wilpon – nuff said
Fred Wilpon – nuff said
JP – a PR disaster in Toronto who just resigned for 3 years
DePo – a disaster in San Diego who ran their farm system into the ground
John Ricco – who decides if they get pepperoni or extra cheese on their pizza
and then in the middle is Sandy, who is here on loan from Bud
We have NO FRONT OFFICE
that is SCARY
LMAO@ “John Ricco – who decides if they get pepperoni or extra cheese on their pizza”
~PRICELESS!
Joe D, can you please clarify the comments you allegedly made about Wright and HGH? Was it from a solid source? Or was it just idle reckless speculation or unfounded gossip? If the former, what type of source? Beat reporter? Blogger? A friend of a friend who knows the boyfriend of the mother of the librarian at Wright’s former high school?
The source mightve been Wrights Agent whom he is Soooooo loyal to…. you know the steroid pusher!!!!
Not only are you merely speculating, but agents don’t rat out their clients. At least I can’t think of a single instance of one doing so when it comes to PEDs. And they probably know better than anyone who has been helped by PEDs and who hasn’t.
I find it hard to believe that someone like Joe D, who by all appearances seems to be a highly credible and responsible person, would engage in such wild and reckless gossip to begin with. I take his silence to mean he won’t dignify the accusation with a response. I did do a quick google search and could find no reference to Wright, HGH and the WBC on this website. Therefore, I am totally dismissing the accusation. It’s BS, and It’s sad that someone would hate the best player on the team he roots for to such an extent that he would make this kind of stuff up.
where was the hgh talk?
jessep, Bayonne made the accusation in the comment section under the post asking whether the Wright deal was a “bargain” or not.
Hey, all you need to do is to link to the post/comment in which you say Joe D talked about it. Then that will prove you are not just BSing around. Otherwise, that’s the only conclusion I can make.
Why not just link to the comment/post where it appeared?
How does one find something that doesn’t exist? If it did, you of all people would know where to find it. Just link to it.
Why would a closed comment section prevent you from linking to it? You don’t make any sense. Methinks you did make it up OR you took some bit of wild hypothesizing or speculation and turned it into more than it was.
Metro12: I won’t speak fully for Joe but to put an end to this he is unable to hop on right now but he assured me he doesn’t remember making any such claim and he doesn’t run with rumors.
So you can just let it go now and let the people who are putting words in his mouth contact him directly if they have a problem with that.
have a great day and hope to see you commenting in other posts!
Thanks, jessep, for clarifying things. I’ll let it go. But I think it’s unfortunate people go around making claims without backing them up.
Metro12, first of all, the reason you would never find anything on this subject or any quotes from me is because I never wrote any such thing.
About three years ago when we had the chat room on our site, I happened to pass along some info from a college buddy who now works as Media Relations Director for another MLB team on the west coast.
It was just a rumor that he heard concerning Wright, but he himself was basically asking me if I knew anything about it, and I told him I didn’t.
A day or two later, during a late night chat in our ShoutBox, I mentioned the exchange I had during a discussion that was about how trim and toned Wright looked when he reported to spring training. That was that.
To see this brought up after three years and inn the context that I reported this as news, is far from accurate. I do not post things on the site based solely on the strength of a flimsy rumor. I hear rumors from my friends who work in MLB all the time. Sometimes it’s credible and I run with it, but 90% of the time if I cant find a second source to confirm, I file it under useless information.
When Jessep emailed me while I was at the hospital, I told him to post what he did because I was unable to reply myself.
I hope that clears things up.
Joe D, your problem was to send jesseP to say anything to anybody here let alone bayonne you knowing the history of problem jesseP has created for everyone here. He’s nothing but a liar, a snake and somebody not trustworthy. Was there a need to actually reach out to you just to ask a question about something that might or might’ve not happen 3 years ago? Again, i get you don’t like bayonne and has a history, but i wonder when will be the day others start getting the same treatment in here. or that doesn’t apply if you become a “Writer” for the blog? Seriously, this was a conversation about metro and bay, and of course, the snake seized the opp to butt in because he knew exactly where this was gonna lead to, and god knows what he said to you, but as usual, you believe in him just like when you somehow appointed him to be the clean up guy in the shoutbox when he was the biggest instigator and baiter in the chat room.
When are you going to take the hint and just S T F U?
When are you going to take the hint and just S T F U?”
See that joe D? a guy who is doing the same thing many others do, try to bait me into some sort of cursing match… This kid has been stalking me for days after i told him to take a hike. This guy is another loser from the desert who only comes in here to provoke and insult people. Yet, Bayonne gets ban for defending himself…
LOL This is hilarious.
I’ve been on your case because you continue to stalk SRT and say other crappy things to females. The guy gives you warning after warning and it’s always the whambulance for you. Look in the mirror buddy and try and think about why you are in a pissing match with different people every day. Hmmm is it the way I attack other posters? Nahhh.
This was quick…
Alex68 December 4, 2012 at 10:12 am
“I have never told anyone not to comment here, just not to comment towards me”
Alex68 December 4, 2012 at 10:43 am
“i told him to take a hike”.
Yeah but Telling someone to get lost who is replying to your comments is different than going after someone.
Nathan, it’s been said in here that if you do not wanna engage with someone you tell them right? I have, this guy is a kid who knows nothing about baseball just like most of them at the desert!
Sometimes you just have to ignore them manno, you know pick your fights. You and Bay are terrible about picking battles. In the end who gives a turkey if someone posts some junk that has no intrinsic value.
Nathan, again, i get the whole pick your fights, but why is it that people get in fight with us never are brought to light as we do? Instead of going to joe d to bother him, we usually decide to fight back and i have NOW realized that’s been a mistake, because when we do those people go to him and complain about it and guess who end up getting called out and at times ban from here? Yep, you guess it, US!
Alex, you played ball didn’t you? We learned that crap in the fifth grade. It’s never the guy who takes the first swing who is punished it’s the guy who retaliates who gets noticed. Man it ain’t worth your time. No worries.
If you want me off your case, I will be more than happy to go on my merry way, just cool it with the sexist dimple BS. You keep bringing that crap into the conversation then I will keep pointing you out for what you are.
Lmao… Oh kid… Damn, things in the desert must be pretty boring eh? Like i said, i can care less what you say to me, i tend to not get baited as per joe d, you are wasting your time. Problem i have is why joe d doesn’t ban you for your behavior when it’s obvious you bring 0 baseball knowledge of baseball nor any conversation about it, yet all you do is come in here to bait people, and then someone like bayonne who at times do crosses the line but it’s very good to talk baseball with gets ban.
Bayonne – take your own advice
“ASK JOE D. It’s OBVIOUS he is does not want to back up YOUR claim right now. Email him.”
I pasted your conversation with Metro because I felt Joe should know you are speaking FOR him and using his name for your own gain.
And what I told you is what he told me. So you can either chalk it up to you not remembering correctly or email him yourself.
That is all.
yeah Joe D hired me. I drive him to and from appointments, clip his toe nails and scrub his floors.
Or – I saw somebody claiming he said something controversial and supplying no evidence to back it up and rather than let the charade go on any longer – I went to the source to put an end to it because I was tired of reading the bs. Joe didn’t ask me to do anything, I asked him if he said that about wright, he said no. End of story.
So now the option is either let it go, OR continue to say he said something controversial and wait for him to reply directly to you. Chances are it won’t be as nicely written as when I told you though.
What I stated was said in Jest….. sarcasm
I dont take you seriously so why would I engage you in a serious conversation?
You accused Joe D of spreading rumors with no proof (Not saying he said it or not, I dont know)about Wright…You even questioned his credibility and ethics because of what someone else stated that he said.
Yet what I find more comical is that the EXACT same thing you’re accusing him of doing…YOU ARE DOING right no Acusing him of something you have no proof of
BRAVO!
~STAY CLASSY METRO12
Where did I accuse Joe D of spreading rumors with no proof? I simply asked him if what Bayonne said is true? My belief is that Bayonne was stretching the truth and spinning things.
Believe what you want but I don’t believe Joe D did what you are imagining I said he did. It’s all in your mind.
I don’t know where all the talk about Joe D or anyone accusing David Wright about using HGH started, and I have never witnessed anyone talk about David Wright and any type of PED on this site…but I do have to say I remember that there was some speculation when David Wright came into spring training very slimmed down a few years ago questioning why he seemed to slim down so drastically. It was more like a oh crap, I hope the reason he didn’t lose all that weight was because he was on something and stopped using. Some people want to take it a step further and question why his power numbers have seemed to dip the past few years – they forget it was because citi field was the place where home runs went to die and the fact that he has nobody hitting behind him of the lineup that brings a serious threat allowing pitchers to pitch around him. You put a legit cleanup hitter behind David Wright, and he probably goes back to hitting 30hr per year (no Ike Davis is not a legit cleanup hitter). You won’t find any published articles about it because nobody wants to lose their jobs or get sued for linking his weight loss to any type of PED usage when there isn’t an ounce of evidence pointing to it. I don’t think anyone is crazy enough to do anything like that. The problem we face in baseball these days is a form of paranoia created from the steroid era – unfortunately any time a player loses muscle mass quickly, or gains muscle mass quickly, there will be doubts about how and why it happened. It’s just the nature of the beast now. It’s not fair to the players who work hard, but it seems like even the players today are still feeling the effects for the mistakes of players in the past – and it doesn’t help that players still test positive these days for stuff.
Mitch, from what I know, HGH is not a way to build muscle mass. Only anabolic steroids (with or without HGH) can do that in conjunction with weight training. And since MLB has had stringent steroids testing since around 2005, I doubt anyone is on that for any significant period of time without getting caught. Therefore, this idle speculation that a supposed drop in weight in the Spring of 2009 is indicative of having come off of PEDs I find highly specious. It just doesn’t hold water given that Wright was tested for steroids in prior years … and HGH alone doesn’t build muscle mass. So if he did lose weight (and frankly I didn’t notice it) then it was due to something else.
And forget about getting sued. It would simply make someone look pretty stupid (like Murray Chass) to go around pointing fingers at players based on such flimsy evidence as weight loss and back acne. Even a big and sudden bump in stats isn’t enough — unless it comes when a player is way over the hill. You need more than that … much more … to accuse someone.
Are there MLB players doing steroids today? I would say if so, it is exceedingly rare, and that player is knowingly taking a huge risk and probably jumping through hoops in attempting to evade the testers. Wright is not the type of person who would take this type of risk. Especially given his family background. He built his reputation on being a straight arrow and goody two shoes, So he more than most would look like the biggest hypocrite in the world if he ever got caught doing PEDs. I’d say he is no more likely to have done PEDs than Jeter or Mariano Rivera.
I didn’t see anything on that but those Wright accusations have to be as baseless as the ‘speculation’ on Reyes and Beltran two years ago, just b/c they visited and/or were treated by the same doctor ARod was. (The one who does that blood spinning technique.)
srt, I agree. I think someone is using his own hatred and agenda to try to turn wild speculation into more than that. If there were any substantive accusations against Wright mentioned on any website, they would be all over the internet by now. There is nothing. Zilch.
I have to agree with Satish Ram and Mitch Petanick here….
I wont even go into details im tired of talking about David Wright we’ve been losing with him.
I want to see Sandy improve this team….He needs to make some ADDITIONS!!!! All he has done to this point is SUBTRACT talent without replacing them……..Extending Wright was just a lateral move at BEST!!!
And I dont want to see Scott Hairston back on this team next year. This is not a knock on him he is a solid “4th Outfielder”, but if he is re-signed that would mean he’d be starting in the OF or in a heavy platoon wit someone like Baxter. That isnt improving the team thats what we had last year.
PASS!!!!
I think the most comedic comment was the one where “David Wright is now in the same stratosphere as Derek Jeter an Chipper Jones”
That is coming from someone who’s LEAST concern, who’s LAST thought if it ever even crossed their minds was wanting to win. It was about “I Wuv Wright”
Her response was exactly the response from anyone who thought that appeasement was part of the reason for spending this money. Bingo. She was just appeased and she let us know it.
gotta be the dimples…
Bayonne,but according to the people from the desert, if we bring that up, then somehow we’re hating… It’s ok for people (Female crowd mostly) to show their love affair to the guy JUST BECAUSE he’s good looking or his dimples are just too cute, but if we point that out that it has nothing to do with baseball we hate female and we are feminist.. It’s getting a little insane lately
It’s insane to you because your brain is stupid and you don’t get it. The only person talking about these things is YOU. You can’t handle her or her opinions so you attempt to belittle her by suggesting she likes him due to his physical features when she has never peeped a word about those things. You can’t handle having a conversation with a person, the only thing you have a grasp on is your ignorance.
When Joe D asked me to come back to MMO, it was for another female perspective and to keep the site as fair-balanced as it already is. Is it such a crime for a girl to favor David Wright because of what his all-around ability brings to the team? What person wouldn’t be happy to see their favorite player in a Mets uniform until 2020? The only ignorance I see here is from the people who believe that you can’t have an intelligent baseball conversation with a girl. Oh, and I sincerely apologize for not saying I love David Wright’s dimples.
Sigh… Do you even see me reply to you kid? Go back to the desert where people will actually pay attention to you since it’s only 7 of you guys.. I can care less what you say to me, she’s the one who have proved to know nothing about baseball and alone with others have made the name on the back of the jersey (Wright) more relevant than the name in the front..
The biggest joke about you is you continue to act like this is your website and your turf. You have all these hard working people building up this blog, you defend this blog all the while trying to destroy it at the same time and you are just too stupid to get it. All you do is contribute hate and ignorance while trying and push people out of here that you don’t agree with. People come here because we like the content. It’s a better site then Metsblog, and you do NOTHING to make this site what it is. Joe D and his crew do everything to build this place while you sit here and try and tear it down. So I will continue to comment here, like I do at RDM and like I occasionally do at MB and other Mets places. I want to talk Mets baseball. You just just want to be a hateful man in a comment section. So if you don’t want me around build your own site and ban me from it. Until them me and any other person will comment here and you have no F’n control over it.
Listen kid, i can care less who post here and who don’t. my problem is that people like me, bay, maniac and others get crucified when we call out wright. not sure what you mean by hate, if hating for saying wright is not clutch and overrated by his legion of mets fans is what you mean, then by all means call me that. Your site is garbage and that’s the reason why you’re here all the time, it must be pretty boring to not know about baseball, yet find people like SRT that you can relate to about talking just for the hell of talking, i have told you since the shoutbox days that i have 0 interest in having any type of convo with you because you have no idea what you talking about, you criticize me for blasting some truth about Dwright yet you high five your little desert group members every time they praise the man. Kid, move alone and have a wonderful day, your lame attemp to pegged me as the bad guy here is growing futile. You wanna have your ideas and your little site to be respected, learn how to respect first you FDB
ROFL!!!!
I second this.
The desert salutes you SRT. ROFL!
Why is it always the same three people that inject race, sex, color into all their comments? What kind of parents raised you? I hope you have no intentions of bringing children into the world and making them as hateful towards others as you three. This is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket, people like you.
i think assault weapons have a little more to do with that “hell in a handbasket” thing than anything else. That
LOL
you wanna see race injected into an argument?
Let the mets hire another latin gm..
let him sign a couple of latinos…
watch met fans cry and moan about their team being too latin…and the gm showing “favoritism”
gtfoh dude…
many of the same folks who were saying that are the same ones that have this weird double-standard in how david wright is to be treated…in how cam maron miraculously ranks as a better catcher than juan centeno..how the green st. pattys uniform goes for decades with no controversy…the los mets jersey turns into met fans and bloggers crying…
we can go on and on with this…
baseball is a sport, not a reflection of your life…but in my opinion there is a morbid fear of the game’s “identity” changing
we all see what happened with boxing…basketball…football….
in 30 years, whether u like it or not…its likely that most of the players in the league will be black and latino ( …like every other major sport in america….)
Latinos were like 5% of the league in 1970….10% in 1980….20% in 1990….now they makeup 33% of the league…and almost 50% of the minors…and dont let Fidel Castro croak….because the flood of talent from Cuba will make Santo Domingo look like Idaho
Personally, I dont care…..I rooted for the mets back when Kevin Elster was my favorite SS and HoJo was my favorite player…
But I had to endure YEARS of listening to white met fans cry and moan…
you are going to hear me call them out now..
sorry
Look no further than Boston, Philadelphia to see how quick a fanbase can turn on a star…
Boston with home-town favorites Clemens and Boggs, both were booed out of town…they quickly went from loving Pedro Manny and Papi to flipping them on the drop of a dime
Philadelphia booed Ryan Howard when he tore his achilles heel and had to be carried out for the last out of the NLCS
David is going to have to kiss ALOT OF BABIES and old ladies if he starts to suck
Um what are you talking about? Nobody boo’d Roger out of Boston until he arrived in a different uniform… he left via free agency as did Boggs.
Both guys were given the boo’s for things they did AFTER leaving the Red Sox. Boggs still doesn’t have his # retired by Boston.
The same goes for Pedro – they didn’t turn on him? He left.
Manny is the only one of the Red Sox that you named that they turned on while in uniform and he deserved it since he was practically quitting on them.
I’m not sure using the Philly fan base is a great idea either but that was the NLDS and perhaps the fans were booing more because their team just got knocked out of the playoffs to a wildcard team after winning 102 games?
Well Mets fans Boo’ed Bay after running into a wall and being carried off after he suffered a concussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uZgXQjvYbU
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/boo_tiful_bores_zxdHg5Ctp3iiTdtwyaFmGM
lol…He wasnt a great Met by anyones standard but no one is safe from boo’s when youre losing
and those who did that to Bay should be embarrassed, not looked up to
actually, using the money saved on Wright to EXTEND Ike and BUY OUT his free-agent years would be the SMART thing to do
Using a couple of the prospects acquired by Wright to ship to Florida for Stanton…or Texas for either Andrus or Profur would either immediately improve the infield defense or immediately improve their offense and get younger…and cheaper…at the same time…
trading Dickey for Travis or prospects that eventually get traded for Travis would shore up the catcher position
Trade 2 guys past 30 for productive players under 23 years old is what smart teams do
Resign 2 guys to appease emotional fans is what dumb teams do
so to be clear, you want to follow the Pittsburgh, etc. model so that as soon as you have actual good veteran players that need to be paid you should trade them for unproven prospects, and stay in a state of perpetual rebuilding?
no…u lock up players til they hit around 33-34…
so if u can get them at age 21…the longer u lock em up for, the better…
the longer u lock em up for, the less u have to give em later
u dont resign Wright at 30…
u resign him to a 8 year deal at age 26…
Reyes was 28 when he signed that deal…
a smart move would’ve been to approach him in 2010 and offer a deal when he was healthy
Having Reyes + Wright til age 34 gives you more time to draft + properly groom their replacements
Punting on Reyes w/o a real replacement creates a domino effect that justifies trading Wright for Reyes replacement….which also secures 2B
“u resign him to a 8 year deal at age 26…”
So then what you’re saying is it’s Omar Minaya’s fault that he signed Wright and Reyes at too young of an age?
Got it.
No…that he did not sign them to a LONG enough deal…
signing Reyes to a 10 year 100 mil contract at age 24 makes sense…
signing Wright to a 10 year 100 mil contract at age 24 makes sense…
they did not make a BIG enough gamble…
credit Omar for at least having the foresight to buy out a few of their years…i dont think he went far enough
First of all – Ike Davis is under team control until he’s 30 years old. So why would they need to do that? When Wright and Reyes were bought out they were what 23 years old and bought til they were turning 30? They don’t have to do that with Ike. So your first idea is a fail.
Second – You’re now living in a fantasy world. You’re trading Wright for unnamed prospects, ASSUMING a team would give them up for ONE YEAR of David Wright? Because you’re also assuming if Wright was dealt he wouldn’t test the market?
Then you’re assuming Miami will give up the best young hitter in the game to a division rival for what? He’s under team control, they don’t have to trade him. You want Stanton, send Harvey, Wheeler, Flores to start and see what it gets ya.
Then you’re telling me Texas who is in win now mode would deal the #1 prospect in the sport for… other prospects? OR they would leave a hole at SS (because Profar may not be ready yet) for more prospects? Why? If Profar wasn’t ready in 2013 and you were Texas, would you trade Andrus for prospects? I wouldn’t.
trading Dickey for Travis D, great idea – now tell me why they’d do that? Why wouldn’t they trade JP instead for a SP who isn’t old?
You’re great ideas are all fantasy. That’s all they are. It’s “we’re the mets so give us your best players please.”
“actually, using the money saved on Wright to EXTEND Ike and BUY OUT his free-agent years would be the SMART thing to do”
Not necessarily Lets see that he doesn’t turn into a utter mess again. Don’t get me wrong I like Ike a lot and am so glad he figured a lot of things out, but he has some glaring issues and there needs to be more improvement before locking him in.
“Jessep- and those who did that to Bay should be embarrassed, not looked up to”
Who said anything about them being looked up to????
No…Pedro was accused of being a diva when he was trying to get an extension in spring training of 2004, he had a bad game and they were booing him in April
David Ortiz almost got ran out of town the past few years when he had slow starts…
Manny was damn near the anti-christ when he wasnt the second coming of Jesus
Clemens was booed almost the entire tenure of his 2nd generation contract.
Here is an article explaining
Our concerns about Clemens deepened after the ’92 campaign, when he signed a four-year, $20 million contract and took much of the next 3½ years off, almost like a professor who gets tenure and doesn’t feel like grading papers anymore. Unveiling a historic double chin for the ’93 season — my father’s favorite joke that spring was, “Would you like another slice, Roger?” — Clemens battled arm problems and floundered to the first losing season of his career.
He seemed more dedicated during the strike-shortened ’94 season (9-7, 2.85 ERA); unfortunately, he stopped working out that winter and showed up for the post-strike spring training in ’95 looking like he was auditioning for the “Chris Farley Story.”
>>>Fueled by an increasingly vicious Boston media, Sox fans started to turn against Clemens, especially after his inevitable breakdown during the first part of the season (an extended DL stint) coincided with an improbable playoff run by the Red Sox. <<<<<
Of course, Clemens squandered his only playoff start to the Indians, fueling those "can't win the big one" doubts.
And Clemens was damn near iconic status from 1985-1991
Phillies fans booed because the game was over on that play in an elimination game. I’m sure none of them even realized Howard tore his ankle to shreds.
Frank
They Boo’ed him when they were carrying him off the field…lol….I listen to the philly sports station WIP regularly and they were killing Howard. The hosts had to cut some of them off because some were going too far in his opinion. Hell they boo’d Irving when he almost broke his neck during a regular season game. You think they arent gonna boo the last man to make an out in the playoffs when they were favorites. Mets fans killled Beltran and all he did before that at bat was carry us.
But in all honestly New York fans are no different than Philly fans
Remember this game throwing HARD ice at the Chargers sideline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYVZ_1qPM0
Just_Da_Damaja,
“David is going to have to kiss ALOT OF BABIES and old ladies if he starts to suck”
It has already been done JDD and it will happen again especially with NO MORE BAY to Boo and Wright being the big money guy for the 1st time…If they dont improve Wright will hear about it GUARANTEED!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/new-york-mets-fans-wrong-boo-slumping-david-wright-article-1.166015
Exactly….people forget that David was surrounded by so many scape-goats
Reyes – the immature cry-baby show off who lacked intelligence and didnt play smart
Beltran – the soft quiet over-paid choker
Delgado – hated Willie Randolph and got him fired
K-Rod – father-in-law abuser
Oliver Perez – one of the most hated mets in recent history
Castillo – Ditto
Jason Bay – sucked for 3 years straight…eventually heard boos too
Honorable Mentions:
Jordany Valdespin and his famous sunglasses and gold chains..
Ike Davis: he likes to go out to the movies once in a while
Ruben Tejada: he shows up on time for spring training and gets bashed for it, turns into mini-soap opera…this winter he works out in his spare time with that show off Jose Reyes
Nice job and well balanced comments on the roundtable. Of course the comments is a different story. David Wright is now our first great player to be a Met for life. Not even Tom Seaver can say that (unfortunately). When Wright’s career is over, his No. 5 will be next to Tom’s.
That’s all good and well but the fan base wants playoff runs and World Series trophies. It seems like a large portion of the fan base incorrectly believes that the signing of David long-term is more important, or guarantees future success-which it doesn’t
no one (or very very small sliver of fans) thinks it is more important to have him. What most people seem to think is that he is the best/most talented player on the team, and that they are better off having him, with more talent added around him.
If you take him off the team, it just creates another hole to fill, so you have to add talent back just to get back to where you were before. Instead of doing that, it is better to replace the gaping holes where you have no talent, so you go forward without having to go backward first.
The whole lifetime met/homegrown fan favorite bit to me is background noise (a side benefit?). But, if they retain a talented player and at the same time excite some fans (AKA the paying customers), that can be a win-win.
Exactly.
If you take Wright off this team, who is replacing him in 2013?
If you let Wright go, or trade him for prospects you might as well trade everybody because all you’re saying is there’s no chance in being competitive. Start with 26 year old Ike… in 4 years Wright’s contract will either be a boom or a bust and Ike Davis will be 30 years old and either celebrated as a great Met or left on the side of the road as a failure.
“If you take Wright off this team, who is replacing him in 2013?”
-When the Rockies traded Matt Holliday he was replaced by a young Carlos Gonzalez and Huston Street
“If you let Wright go, or trade him for prospects you might as well trade everybody because all you’re saying is there’s no chance in being competitive. Start with 26 year old Ike”
-You trade for multiple prospects or young major league talent. Thats IF you are REBUILDING!!! which everyone(Owner,GM etc) says we ARE……and you keep IKE Davis because by the time he is 30 in his prime you’d have these prospects up in the big leagues where as Wright will be in his mid to late 30′s well past prime in a steep decline.
#1 Your point about CarGo is basically saying “Oakland made a bad trade so somebody else will make the same mistake.”
#2 So your plan was to trade for prospects who may or may not pan out then when Ike is 30 years old, sign him to a deal similar to Wright’s and do your best to win in 2017 and beyond. Sounds exciting.
*****#1 Your point about CarGo is basically saying “Oakland made a bad trade so somebody else will make the same mistake.”
-No, I never said that…they received an Allstar in Matt Holliday…and Mistake??? Its baseball the Mets amploy and have scouts like every other team whom are paid to tell whether said player is worth a trade or not. Wright can go on to be a HOF or he can go on to be Jason Bay things happen. World series champions dont become champs by playing everything SAFE!!!
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*****#2 So your plan was to trade for prospects who may or may not pan out then when Ike is 30 years old, sign him to a deal similar to Wright’s and do your best to win in 2017 and beyond. Sounds exciting.
-I never gave you a plan….I was basically disproving your notion that if you trade Wright you have to trade EVERYONE…NEWSFLASH!!! Everyone has already been traded or let go via free agency…
Also who said 2017?? Nats have a young prospect in Harper that they drafted they didnt wait for him. He joined them in the middle of their run so did Posey when he joined the Giants. There were decent players there in both cases and the young players complimented them. The Mets arent in that position because NO ONE in the farm is anywhere close to helping this team out(position player wise) and we arent siging free agents that are worth anything and we’re supposed to improve via trades….WHOM are we trading??? Gotta give to get
Yes, Mitch that’s true!
The point is that if the Mets had three, just three David-Wright-caliber players we’d be playoff-bound just about every year. David is the Friggin’ Foundation, now build the team around guys like him.
If we had Chipper Jones or Jeter or Stan FU&^ing Musial, we wouldn’t win anything without a bona fide support cast.
Another senseless, knee-jerk zanca outburst. Where was this foundation when he had the chance to be the foundation but instead it was other players who were leading the way.
Foundation my ass. He’s nothing more than the last man standing.
Another unfounded kiss ass post by a fan who roots for the name on a jersey instead of what’s best for the team.
and if we had “If we had Chipper Jones or Jeter or Stan FU&^ing Musial” instead of David Wright to go along with Delgado, Beltran, Reyes, & LoDuca than the Mets would have had 3 post season appearances in a row because I’m sure you are well aware of Chipper Jones incredible clutch hitting abilities. Something your boy toy David Wright fails at, in fact it’s his Trademark and Legacy – failing when you need him the most.
Oh and if we did have “Chipper Jones or Jeter or Stan FU&^ing Musial” You know what would be happening right? Those 2 would be driving in runs in big spots while your bromance idol David Wright would be leaving runners in scoring position when the game is on the line…again.
And you know this b/c, oh, as usual, that’s right, you know next to nothing. Why don’t you cheerlead some more for your annointed one, Valdespin? Remember late, last spring when you wrote that guys like Spin were the answer. But Spin sucks, just as do most of your baseball opinions. You make a fool of yourself as much as you like. We’ll be here for the entertainment value.
As we keep saying, ROOT FOR ANOTHER TEAM!
“and if we had “If we had Chipper Jones or Jeter or Stan FU&^ing Musial” instead of David Wright to go along with Delgado, Beltran, Reyes, & LoDuca than the Mets would have had 3 post season appearances in a row because I’m sure you are well aware of Chipper Jones incredible clutch hitting abilities.”
2007 National League Most VALUABLE Player Voting:
1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Matt Holliday
3. Prince Fielder
4. DAVID WRIGHT
5. Not another Met
6. Not another Met
7. Not another Met
8. Get the point yet?
9. Of course you don’t
10. Still no Mets
11. I’m getting sleepy
12. Okay lets just skip ahead
16. Jose Reyes
2008 NL Most VALUABLE Player
1. Albert Pujols
2. Ryan Howard
3. Ryan Braun
4. Okay I’ll save you the trouble
7. DAVID WRIGHT
8. Not a Met
9. Carlos Delgado
So the two years that you pin the failure on Wright – the baseball writers of america say he was the MVP of the team!
It’s Wright’s fault Jose Reyes hit .223 COMBINED in those two Septembers? If Wright did that you’d mention it every chance you got. But the fact he hit .347 over those 2 Septembers is inconvenient for you so you hope nobody calls you out on it.
Right, and Bayonne promotes Captain Red Ass–the ROID user. His career really took off after the ’06 season right?
Jessep, it is a really challenge to talk to those who consistently speak STUPID.
In 2006 Beltran got hurt towards the end and finish 4th in the MVP ballot, had the mets make the playoffs in 2007 DW was your MVP, but guess what, they didn’t and he finished 4th. in 2008 again, he had a good season, but in no way shape or form he was going to be the MVP of anything, we all know who really carry that team, Delgado, Reyes and Beltran in that order. your golden boy hit 243 with RISP all year and had the most infamous at bat and lamest excuse for a baseball player in a long time. now, how long ago was that?? 6 years ago? Now he’s nothng more than a 290-300 type hitter, with warning track power that will give him 15-20 HR per year with around 75-95 RBI per year… Not sure how that’ll transalte to MVP on any universe!
Gotcha so in 2008, “Delgado, Reyes and Beltran” in that order carried the Mets
Yet Wright was deemed as more valuable by the people who vote on that than Delgado, Reyes and Beltran.
Johan got more MVP votes than Reyes or Beltran.
And guys like Geovany Soto got more MVP votes than Reyes.
So people who earn the right to vote on such a thing determine that Wright was the MVP of the Mets in 2007 and 2008 by a landslide in 2007 and by a landslide over Beltran & Reyes in 2008…. but Alex68 says he was the 4th best player so it must be true.
And before you even TRY to knock the writers – in 2007 David Wright was one of just FOUR finalists as voted by the PLAYERS for Most Outstanding Player in the NL.
So the writers, and the players were wrong – but Alex68, he knows best
are you this stupid? I knew you are, but i had no idea of how much stupid you were. Did you read where i said “had the mets make the playoffs in 2007 DW was your MVP, but guess what, they didn’t and he finished 4th” or did it pass by you so you could’ve tried to make me look bad? Guess what, the AP voters pick the wrong MVP or Cy Young sometimes too, what? All of the sudden we’re talking about 6 years ago for a guy we gave a massive load of money NOW? How stupid are you to compare those situations? GO and ask the St louis cards and the mets who was more valueable to them, Carlos Beltran or David Wright? But guess what, according to WAR, somehow Wright was more valueable to the mets than Beltran to the cards.. go figure this, check the MVP ballot this year and you’ll see Beltran finished 26th, wanna know some of the people who according to you are the smartest in baseball voted for ahead of beltran???
David Wright
Craig Kimbrel
Jay Bruce
Aroldis Chapman
Brandon Phillips
Joey Votto
Ian Desmond
Clayton Kershaw
Michael Bourn
Allen Craig
Gio Gonzalez
Kris Medlen
Martin Prado
Alfonso Soriano
Giancarlo Stanton
Now, see that list and tell me if you really think they were better, or more valuable than beltran overall was for the cards and their success this year.
“somehow Wright was more valueable to the mets than Beltran to the cards”
“Now, see that list and tell me if you really think they were better, or more valuable than beltran overall was for the cards and their success this year.”
I’m sure Yadier Molina 4th, Matt Holliday 11th, Allen Craig 19th had nothing to do with Beltran finished 26th right?
Oh or maybe it could have been that they were in a playoff race and Beltran hit .236 with a .750 OPS in the 2nd half?
Now remind me again, which player’s 2012 season do you discredit because of their 2nd half with the SAME EXACT OPS but a better batting average?
Hmmm I wish I could remember his name.
In the last 2 weeks of the season with a playoff spot on the line,
Beltran hit .297 with 3 HR and 7 RBI
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=beltrca01&t=b&year=&share=0.18#1907-1918-sum:batting_gamelogs
When the MANAGER says Beltran was the MVP and leader of the team, after ONE YEAR, I think that pretty much confirms that he was the leader of that squad…
In a game Beltran didnt even play in, he helped the Cardinals win
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/it-was-carlos-beltran-who-told-cardinals-manager-to-appeal-the-torres-double.html
But guess who did write a negative article about him??
NY NEWSDAY
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/carlos-beltran-has-no-excuses-for-struggles-after-hot-start-1.3948682
“Carlos Beltran may be an example that you can take a player off the Mets but you can’t take the Mets out of the player. His year has been like theirs: great start, poor summer.”
Then Carlos Beltran turns it on…
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/13/watch-carlos-beltran-throw-out-josh-beckett-at-first/
Then Carlos Beltran REALLY TURNS IT ON
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1371929-carlos-beltran-and-the-10-most-clutch-players-left-in-the-mlb-postseason
Best Active Post-Season Hitter right now is —-> Carlos Beltran
LMAOOOO
So paying Wright 138 mil for what he did 5 years ago is smart?
lol ok
i never saw a fan base do a complete 180 as I’ve seen here. The last couple years all everybody spoke about was the owner’s financial problems and how the Mets have no money but as soon as all that money suddenly appears and is thrown at a false hero, the “I Heart David Wright” club suddenly suffered from memory loss and incredibly, all of a sudden, everything was rosy and the club did the right thing.
Never saw such joy out of spending 100 million dollars just to stay the same. Never knew being the last man standing would be so profitable. And that’s the only reason Wright stood out – he’s the last man standing from an era most remembered for their epic, historic choke jobs..
….and they applaud spending 140 million for that. And at a time the Mets are allegedly broke. They don’t care. I hope they have dollar signs in front of their eyes each time Wright leaves runners on in scoring position when the games are close.
it’s all an attempt to convince you to go root for another team I think
no new money appeared. If anything, this deal lowered payroll for 2013. beyond that, they are just keeping one of the 3 big expiring deals going with a slight raise. it does not change anything about the teams financial situation, since there was no way they were going to not spend any of the 60+ mill coming off the books after 2013 (bay/Wright/Johan).
and why the change of heart? Last year, it was the wrong move to let a home grown star walk over money.
This.
no new money appeared. If anything, this deal lowered payroll for 2013″
HOW??? Please elaborate.. Last i checked, he still making the $16 million he was schedule to make, and also, what we saved on was on bay’s salary right? Other than that, how did this lower our payroll?
I have to laugh that a couple of you think the Wilpons backed a truck into David Wright’s driveway and dropped off $138 million dollars.
It doesn’t get paid in one lump sum and I’m hearing that it actually pays Wright LESS than the $16 million he got paid in 2012 in the first year of the deal.
On the Wilpon side, they are not broke. They have more liquidity than Donald Trump.
Well wasn’t Reyes making only 10 million per year the first couple years of his contract?
So what’s different now? Reyes was just as much or MORE of a foundation to the Mets than Wright will ever be. What happened to “As the Mets go so does Reyes”? I think that’s more of a foundation if you want to win baseball games right? It’s moreso than the aesthetic and contrived reasons that Mets fans call Wright the foundation for.
Look I LOVED Reyes. I KILLED Alderson for not trying harder to keep him. BUT lets not pretend that Reyes’ game was not based 100% on SPEED, and let’s not ignore that fact he’s been on the DL for leg related problems seven times in his career. He’s already in decline, no longer stealing 60-70 bases and now more like 30-40. In two years it might be 15-25. Wright is an overall solid player defensively, moderate power, run production, etc. They are two different players altogether. When you have a player whose entire game is speed and one who is an all-around talent, which player would be more productive at age 34?
Wait, doesn’t wright have back issues? decline? Have you checked how wright’s numbers have faded in 3 consecutive second halves? If wright is getting paid for being productive, how else would you explain then paying a guy $17+ Million per year to have him have a 280-300 with around 15-20 HR and less than 100 RBI when he can’t do nothing else for you? Come on joe d, you should know better than to compare both, in terms of speed i agree, reyes’ game was built on it, but after having a miserable month and half of the season ,he finish the last 138 games hitting:
296 BA 11 HR 11 TRIPLES 31 DBLS 35 SB’S 79 RUNS 354 OBP 445 SLUG % 165 HITS
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=reyesjo01&t=b&year=2012&share=3.81#1073-1210-sum:batting_gamelogs
While he did have a terrible first month, he did very well. While your boy actually hit the wall and never recover and had yet another miserable second half of the season…
Wright was out ONCE with a fracture in his back, how many times was Reyes on the DL with leg issues?
yup…thats why they moved Reyes to hitting 3rd in the lineup…where he hit well over .300….was hitting for power, still stealing bases…still hitting triples…
Boston was more than willing to trade their top prospect Iglesias for Reyes and his contract
Toronto actually pulled the trigger on it
The only folks scared of Reyes getting injured were Met fans trying to justify changing the club’s identity from the Omar Los Mets years
Reyes and his hamstrings did quite ok in the humid Florida weather…
And Toronto’s artificial turf is the new GameDay Grass, Tampa Bay also has it. Its the new standard
Up until 2004, they had the old school Astroturf….then from 2005-2009 they had the newer version of that…from 2010 on they have the GameDay Grass field.
Bayonne… And leading the fan club you know who the person is. All the talk was blame the wilpons, they have no money, sandy is here to lower payroll, all of the sudden, reports of mets about to sign wright and those talked died down so if he was sign nobody would’ve brought it up. all of the sudden, they’re begging to surround him with a supporting cast to somehow be competitive, not realizing that when he did have a supporting cast, they all choke including in larger part him, but hey, we’re supposed to forget all that because of his looks and amazing dimples
Tell me, when Wright had the supporting cast, were the Mets competitive?
dude…
they are keeping dan warthen…
what makes you think they are going to do anything different in 2013?
I think any team that added a Beltran and Delgado at that time would have contended. ANY TEAM. So Wright is going to choke no matter who surrounds him.
ANY TEAM. So Wright is going to choke no matter who surrounds him”
THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks for proving my point, Goon Squad.
Not goon squad, AbacusGoons.
I wonder if Joe D is watching this. no difference than when he told me to not use sabergooners towards people, even if the love sabers
Joe D coined the term AbacusGoon. And I am sure he is watching and taking into account what I am saying along with how and others are purposely attacking other people here just because you disagree with their opinion on the state of the team.
Hey, AROD needs surgery on his hip again so they need a 3rd basemen. Any thoughts?
Talk about an albatross of a contract….
oh I know! We should trade Wright and Murphy for Cano, Nova, and Robertson.
Why wouldn’t they do that?
(end sarcasm here)
2013 $28,000,000 + $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
2014 $25,000,000 + $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
2015 $21,000,000 + $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
2016 $20,000,000 + $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
2017 $20,000,000 + $30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR
He is at 647 HR. So only 13 away from those bonus’s starting to kick in but doesn’t 13 seem like it’s going to take a while to get to? So minimum 114m still left. Talk about a contract that needs deferment.
People can multi=task and talk about other facets of the game. That’s the great thing about baseball. It’s not just about proper on field mechanics. Attacking someone that is interested in multiple areas of a sport is pretty lame, don’t you think? This is what keeps the sport alive.
Why should I care or comment? Because I’m a baseball fan. Just b/c the Mets are my team doesn’t mean I don’t pay attention to the other 29 clubs and/or have an opinion about their players.
The real question is: Why do you continue to stalk me?
Also: My commenting about ARod’s contract here on MMO is no different than you commenting on Pettitte’s new contract the other day. Only yours was more long winded.
Having one of the best 3B in the game a home grown Mets All Star I’m glad that Wright will continue to wear a Mets uniform possibly for his entire career. Though the details remain to be known I would not have given him a guaranteed 7th year. If though it took a 7th year to get it done then the reported bell curve structure hopefully makes it more easier to deal toward the latter end of the contract.
The goal continues to be about winning a W.S. and keeping Wright plays a part in that process. Just as the moves surrounding him will as well. I believe while there is risk with any long term contract Wright I feel is as good a risk as any to be productive player (barring injury) for the major part of that contract.
Now let’s sign Dickey.
I don’t know why you guys keep taking the salary into account when you know full well if they didn’t give it to a guy like Wright they were never going to give it to ANY Free Agent that came available.
This notion that not spending allows spending is the biggest pile of crap I ever heard.
Sandy has not spent any money he saved and in the end Wright got a measly 1.25 Million dollar raise when all is said and done.
Unless you think he was overpaid last year it’s rediculous to say he is getting overpaid now.
He got less than a cost of living increase when you come right down to it.
Will he decline in time? Sure and so will the other guy you expected to sign if you hadn’t given Wright the money. And he will demand a long term contract as well.
Thats the reality of the MLB and Free Agency. They have hit the high water mark on Per Year salary at the 20M – 30M per year mark so now the negotiation hold ups are all about the YEAR TERMS which means just about every FA signing is going to be the same as Wright by the time it ends.
Just accept that and the Wright deal isn’t all as bad as it could be….
In the end we retained out best player and thats always cheaper than it would be to go and get someone else’s BEST player!
Metsie gets his second Gold Star of the day.
Crap you beat me. The guy is on fire today.
dang mayans were right
What is odd here is I said all these similar things when it as Reyes we were talking about.
I guess it took a year for you guys to finally get what it was I was saying….
It always makes sense to sign your best player….
ALL players decline and it really doesn’t matter who it is your talking about.
Doesn’t matter if they are on your team or someone else…
They ALL want 6-10 years if they are any good and no matter what age you are a contract of that length is going to emcompass some declining years.
We shouldn’t worry about what is going to happen 6-8 years from now because there is nothing you can do about it.
You want to hedge your bets frontload the contract, make sure to never give a No Trade clause or that dumb clause we gave Beltran, and if and when the decline happens trade him for whatever and get some of your money back to go spend on the next guy who will eventually decline in the end of his contract.
It’s just Money and in the end it doesn’t have to have an affect on your ability to build a baseball team if the guys you sign have success at the time you signed them.
What happens later doesn’t matter and if your worried about it then make sure you do a good job in the draft so you have the cheap alternative to replace him that doesn’t cost 150Mil and 8 years of commitment.
You absolutely were saying the same thing and have never waivered from that theme. For me, since Reyes’s game was based on his speed and that regresses quicker, I felt it wasn’t worth it. The problem is they never took the new found resources and re-invested it into something else.
I never said he was worth it but thats mostly because I feel NO player when you come right down to it is worth that kind of money…
No player can ever contribute the same percentage that his salary represents on total payroll unless your payroll is sky high to start with….
And in the end you don’t get more all you get is the highest you can get a WS win and then it’s all about can you get it again.
But when considering it…
Is a loss of Speed from Reyes really any worse than a loss of power or BA from Wright at the end of the day?
A guy who is REALLY fast once declined has average speed compared to younger players because what he lost makes him merely mortal.
And by the time of the end of that contract you will find that those average speed players are all making about what the now average declined speedster does on a per year basis….
So while you might risk not getting everything you think your paying for now in the end it all evens out because prices only go up and you pay the same for less than what you pay for more now.
In Reyes’ case you can at least argue you kept the Reyes BA and lost the speed for a discount in Tejada….
If we had someone who could do something similar for Wright and Dickey ready to go as Tejada was then I might be more inclined to have traded instead of signed.
But we don’t have even close to that ready and waiting in the wings. Flores comes close but he isn’t ready and Wheeler and Harvey have a lot to prove before you can start thinking either will be a 20 game winner in the next 3 years.
Personally I feel Wright has more tools than Reyes, so his regression will be less of an impact. Reyes was doing things that I haven’t seen since Rickey Henderson. When he got on base in that first AB, we all knew he was going to steal and get that run. Those moments immediately brought the momentum to the Mets side. When you start taking those things awaydue to speed regression, Reyes’s value can be obtained for a much smaller cost else where. With Tejada, I didn’t think he was going to be that serviceable, it was a nice surprise and we will see where he is next year (relly impressed with his attitude as well). And you are correct, there is no one to replace Wright any where in the organization. So when you take his defense into account (Reyes was fine here as well) his ability to hit to right field so comfortably, his base running along with all the other Mets ambassador blah blah blah, to me it made more sense to sign him then Reyes.
“Personally I feel Wright has more tools than Reyes”
I do too…
Power trumps speed and OBP in my book everyday!
Reyes may score 100 Runs for you but he doesn’t score any if the guy behind him doesn’t have those 100RBI to drive him in.
Which is why I also make the argument about OBP and RS….
Only 23% of OB actually scores but the guy who drives him in can make that percentage go up much faster than the guy who gets on more often. 100 RBI guys not only drive in 100 Runs but how much extra do you get when they get on and someone else drives them in?
It’s nice to have both though….
Power Hitters don’t usually lose thier power. You don’t get weaker as you get near the age of 40 what happens is you stop seeing the ball as good or they figure out the hole by then but if they can stay sharp and in decent MLB shape, avoid getting hurt they can keep on hitting dingers until they retire….
In this regard yourt correct that you can’t say that about Reyes or any speedster.
Good talking to you today Metsie!