But if all they are going to get is a one year rental and the priviledge of paying Dickey a big contract that he has no reason to go cheap on since he will be able to bid up the price with other teams at best you get a marginal kid and maybe two average MLB players you will be looking to upgrade befgore the year is even out.

So yes he could get better offers but Time isn’t going to make that happen extending him will do far more to increase his value and offers than any amount of time or meetings will.

And truth is I doubt highly they would ever get enough to placate the fanbase for losing the first Cy Young Met since Gooden.

We have signed an awful lot of Cy Young winners over the years but the only guys to do it in a Met Uni were Gooden and Seaver (3 times).

I’m open to trading him but I don’t think your going to get enough to make it worth it.
Even if you got EQUAL back your still left with the same problem we had from 2006-2008…
NOT ENOUGH PITCHING!

We had players and good ons everywhere else yet the Pitching wasn’t enough.
And to think that our projections regarding Harvey and Wheeler will definitly hold true is just wishfull thinking on everyone’s part.

Santana is gone at the end of the year if Dickey goes before then what have you got left?
Generation K the sequel, No Vet leadership on the mound and you will be putting the NYC Anvil on the chect of Harvey and Wheeler in what would be not much more than thier sophmore year in the league.

If I thought for a second they would spend the money elsewhere and get as good as they would if it was spent on Dickey then it would be one thing.
But if they won’t spend it on the myriad of available OFs that are out there today I see no hint that they would spend that 12 Mil on someone tomoroe or even FIND a Pitcher that would win 20 games for the price you would have payed Dickey.

So I’m open and said as much. Sign Dickey and let the calls come in and deal from actual strength.

You will get a better offer for a 3 year rtental on Dickey than you will on a one year and you STILL will get that 12 Mil to spend if you actually believe they will…

I personally don’t believe they will though…
They signed Wright for all the reasons people have suggested…
Ticket sales, Media/Fan Pressure, Mass Apeasement, which is why they are entertaining trading Dickey becauase they have spent more than they wanted to already and are still looking to catch cheap lightining in a bottle.

You know and I know they will never go get a pitcher like Dickey for 12 Mil and all that will be spent on 6 or 7 Hairstons and Bullpen.

Which won’t matter because on days Hefner and Schwinden go in to replace Dickey we will blow out that pen on overuse so they suck when the other guys are pitching as well.

Yes Dickey and Wright are treading water which is why if you really want to fix the OF quickly keep them and stay where you are and get your improvment by spending on the OF you need, that IS available and will be 100% plus to your team as it is now.

As opposed to the 10% Plus you MIGHT get if you make the trade.

And I don’t know that you have been listening but Sandy isn’t looking to get prospects for Dickey he is looking for two MLB ready players….

That means he is going to get average players at best which will never be enough to offset what you lost from Dickey and could just as easily be gotten via FA for a measly 10-15 Mil increase in the Payroll.

Average OF is easy to get so why trade value to get it?

that is why in 2000 it did not matter that the OF was weak. When you have a dominant hiter at 2 IF spots not known for it, the lineup still has plenty of firepower.

If Dickey goes your rotation is:
Niese (Not Ace but maybe)
Harvey (Unproven and under pressure)
Wheeler (Unproven and under pressure)
Gee (Nice back end rotation guy but thats about it.)
Hefner? Schwinden? If your Lucky Familia or Mejia?

Keep Dickey and he can take the pressure off the Wheelers and Harveys and maybe even help them get better as someone to turn to.
Not to mention he avoids you having to start the Hefners of the world unless someone gets hurt.

By the time Dickey’s contract is done we should have some better prospect names to give a shot.
Fulmer, Montero, Tapia, Mazzoni, Urbina are already here and we will have two drafts worth of kids who might be at least AAA ready by the time Dickey is done.
Plawlecki should be ready by then to solve the Catcher position.
And we have a ton of IF kids who could be turned and traded into something as well.

If we really need an OF (and we do we need a Power Hitting RH OF) then just go buy the best you can find in the 10-15 Mil per range, sign him to a 3-4 year deal and hope by then the Nimmos and Lagares or some kid drafted in the meantime fill the CF and C roles you think a Dickey trade will get you.

And if they don’t package them for one player who does!
No reason not to trade multiples that don’t fit to get one that does.
It’s usually better than the trades where you trade a known good for multiples maybes or average at best.

The way I see it is this. The outfield prospects via FA are not very enticing. The Mets also have a dearth of outfield prospects right now. If one can be had, along with other pieces at the expense of a pitcher, then you have to do it, because that pitcher can be replaced right now (FA) and also later, because what the Mets farm does have is plenty of pitching.

Obviously I’m on board with signing Dickey because I never really thought the Mets can get a huge haul for him and according to reports I got that one right. But you never know what the trade market will be for him once Greinke signs, right? Is it impossible to win with a formula of trading him and signing another pitcher? Should the Mets just not consider that as an option?

The BEST players/Prospects all avoid being made into Catcher due to the rigors of the position so that position has been sufferring for quite a while now.

We won’t solve the C position until Plawlecki is ready or we draft someone better and that doesn’t mean you have to play Thole while you wait but to think your going to trade a Rotation arm to get a good OF AND C who will equal what you lost is just foolish.

Forget the catcher there is no solution to that unless Posey makes it to Free Agency or someone else has a selloff the way the Marlins did with Piazza.

Fix the OF and the C position will not matter as much.

Dickey is a three year (4 the most) signing. Sure you might get a kid who lasts longer than that but while your waiting for him to be all he can be in the meantime he is not making up for what you lost with Dickey.

If we signed a OF to a 3 or 4 year deal then that gives you the next two drafts to go and get your OWN prospect to develop while still giving you a comptetive team while your waiting.

This is why I say spending doesn’t hurt your ability to draft and build from within. It actually HELPS you do that provided you don’t give out stupid contracts.

And even more so now that the CBA has changed and not every FA signing results in losing picks.
If I’m not mistaken this year is the perfect time as our first rounder is protected.

Doesn’t mean you have to raise payroll to 200M but somewhere around 115-120M is not something that should bankrupt them and if it is then buying a few hairstons is not going to help them either and neither is trading for some kid who has’t proved a thing.

Compare them when they all reach the the same amount of games, at bats, etc ; lets not project yet.

Hey we had a lineup that consisted of Beltran, Delgado, Reyes, Wright and Santana….

What was the result and WHY was it the result?

PITCHING!

You need at least three top rotation arms to win, look at all the winners and they all have it.
In our case we have two kids that look good but are not yet proven. Guys who had as much promise as Generation K (remember them?)

Your not going to get enough back to offset the loss of the pitching and in the end your going to have to go back a get pitching for those prospects to win.

I suggest you just keep the pitching and go after the proven guys to fill those holes.

Then if you want to replace them with PROSPECTS go draft the kids to do it instead of trading trying to correct your past mistake in not doing so or getting them when they were IN the draft.