13
2012
Mets Haven’t Spoken To Rangers Since Nashville, Decision On Dickey Looming
An article by Hojo's Mojo
A day after Dickey upset team brass by using a holiday party at Citi Field as a forum to voice his displeasure with recent contract negotiations, the two sides remained in limbo yesterday on the knuckleballer’s future according to Mike Puma of the Post.
Puma is also hearing that the expectation around the game is that the Mets will try to resolve the situation by the end of this week. You may recall that Sandy Alderson hinted at that on Tuesday, when he said he expected “clarity on Dickey’s status” within a few days.
An industry source says the Mets have four potential trade partners that are willing to include one top prospect in a deal for Dickey. However, the Mets aren’t budging from their position of seeking multiple highly rated prospects in any trade for Dickey.
Finally, despite the rampant speculation, multiple sources have told Puma that the Mets HAVE NOT spoken to the Rangers since the Winter Meetings which concluded over a week ago.
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I think something is brewing for the Rangers and the Mets. Texas are in talks with Hamilton and need to get that figured out first. Just a hunch but I think they will go for Dickey after locking up Hamilton. I dont think they want to sign Dempster or Sanchez to multi yr deal. Dickey is also not doing himself any favors openly speaking about his negotiations and using a children’s christmas party filled with hurricane families to air his grievances and send out threats of leaving at years end. The Mets do not need a current player to put them in a bad light;they do that on their own. Also read that Dickey refused to make an appearance for the Wilpons a week ago and remember they also denied his permission to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro; which he climbed anyway. Reminds me when Beltran took it upon himself to get knee surgery when Met doctors gave him a different diagnosis. I have never seen a more vocal Met then Dickey. Hes very intelligent and crafty with his words but Im sure the Wilpons do not like it. Also checked out Mike Olt; Sandy wants more and he should ask for more but this guy is a beast. Hes from New Haven, went to UConn and has massive power potential. Plays 3 positions well and seems like he can handle New York from interviews I watched. Well shall see…
How is something brewing if they haven’t spoken is over a week? Maybe they have something brewing with the Dodgers for Chris Capuano or Chad Billingsley, or with free agent Kyle Lohse which wont cost them two top prospects.
I dont believe that they havent talked for a week. Mets have 4 gms working for them and gms are constantly speaking or touching base. Since the Greinke and Sheilds moves things seem to be opening up. It was a slow moving winter meetings and talks, signings will spill into January. If you read my previous post I said its my feeling and a hunch. Metsblog seems to agree that Texas tried for different players like Greinke and Upton but failed. Now they will go back to plans b & c. I feel one of them is renewing talks for Dickey, they were one of the few teams vocal about their interest.
Mets have 4 gms working for them and gms are constantly speaking or touching base”
Really???? Well, i wouldn’t have known that since what we’ve gotten in return after they got hired is been pure garbage and crap.
How is something brewing if they haven’t spoken is over a week?
Simple! Both teams are negotiating vicariously through the executive editor of Metsblog!
Dickey to Texas for Olt & Martin makes sense for Texas if they manage to re-sign Hamilton.
In that case they have Cruz Hamilton Murphy in their 2013 OF and Gentry as a backup with Kinsler probably bumped to DH. If Hamilton leaves, Martin may have to start in CF for them unless they go after Bourn.
Rangers need a workhorse SP – RA would be a perfect fit.
Mets would get two players with nice potential who are about ready for the majors.
Maybe it’s because Mike Olt sucks. His strikeout rate is abysmal.
He fits in with the Mets then…they seem to excel at striking out.
He fits in with the Mets then…they seem to excel at striking out”
WEll, when you’re forced to change your approach for a new one that is absolutely ridiculous then the chances of striking out are way more higher.. When you HAVE to see 2 good fastballs right down the middle for strikes and are usually in a hole (1-2 or 0-2) then you become defensive at the plate and guess what? Chances of you striking out become even greater. This pathetic phylosophy of wait for your pitch worked the first 2 months, once the league knew they could have 2 free strikes on the mets or if even behind the count the pitchers can throw right down the middle without being harm then the mets hitter started striking out at an alarming rate and you saw many BA and OBP dropped the rest of the season.. We are in a very disturbing era right now with this team and its FO
I will admit that I am not a fan of the Mets manager and coaching staff because I think their are philosophies which go against winning baseball (i.e lack of hit and run when you cant score runs and not guarding the line late in games). However, I have read up what Hudgens talks about and I think his philosophy sound. Basically he is a believer of working the count UNTIL you get your pitch. Too often we saw Mets hitters taking fastballs right down the middle. This was most notable with the power guys. Duda, Davis, and, dare I say, Bay would take get me over fastballs only to swing at breaking balls. Where is the disconnect? I dont know.
It is the same with the pitchers. The bullpen had some arms that could run it up 93-95 yet they all came in throwing breaking pitches. Even when Harvey was called up, Collins and Warthen both said, he needs to throw his changeup more. Huh? The guy is blasting it up there at 97 with movement. Throw it until they start hitting it. Up and in is a hole for most major league hitters and Harvey was showing the ability to hit it. Yet they wanted to change him. Insane.
As for the overall outlook, and I only read this from someone else and have not verified it myself, but the Ks in the Mets minor leagues decreased. If that is the case, it is a positive step but as I said I have no verification if it is true or not.
Are you the Matt that used to hang in shoutbox before they took it off the site?
Never heard of it. I’m Matt Mosher from Malone, NY.
That was the exact same thing people said about Schmidt before he became Mike Schmidt after two years in the show.
“Keep your words soft and sweet, ’cause you might have to eat them later.”
Y don’t the Mets extend RA, settle on the $$$$’s near the middle? He won’t likely get a strong ‘no trade clause’. Then he’s more valuable on the market because a team would get him @ ~$9mm / year through ’15, with probably an option for another year. Unless they think, teams would shy away from having to guarantee a 38 yr old pitcher (even though a knuckle-baller) 2 yrs beyond ’13?
I swear to God I hate reading comments that are based on shit Matt Cerrone says. Cant you all understand he’s nothing but a mental midget when it comes to the Mets??
Oooooh ooooh ooooh lets keep an eye on Texas!
Ooooh ooooh ooooh lets go after Mike Olt!
If any of you knew shit you’d stay away from Olt with a ten foot pole!
If all you are getting is one prized prospect the guy you want from the Rangers is Profar NOT Olt!!!
Grab Profar, move Tejada back to 2B, and take a phucking load off!
Go find an outfielder somewhere else, but don’t you dare trade Dickey for phukking Olt!!!
Ummm… Maniac… Good Morning.. Nice to see your intake on Olt Lol.. Safe to say you DON’T want the guy here eh?
For Dillon Gee, yes. For R.A. Dickey, HELL PHUKKING NO!!! lol And a top of the morning to you too!
The only problem with that is Texas wouldn’t spring Profar for Upton (who they badly wanted…and still do) what makes you think they will trade Profar for one year of Dickey?
Relax Francis.
First of all – let’s not come here acting like other people’s suggestions are invalid when it comes to what to get for RA Dickey especially when you’re creative suggestion is to trade Dickey for the #1 prospect in the entire sport
Maybe we can trade Johan to Baltimore for Bundy while we’re at it?
I’m not gonna pretend to know much about Olt but I’m fairly certain that “If any of you knew shit you’d stay away from Olt with a ten foot pole!” is more of a ringing endorsement FOR him than against him
My main concern with Olt is he appears to be best used as a 3B… is that why you hate him?
“He reminded me of when I saw Evan Longoria in Double-A,” Lynchburg manager Luis Salazar said. “He looks just like him. He’s a tremendous athlete, he can pick it at third base and he’s got good power to right-center field. This kid is a major league third baseman.”
I’ve read comparisons to Dan Uggla offensively (when he was good) but with better defense
You are and will always be MMO’s clown prince. Here comes the person who admittedly knows shit about the minors. The person who thought Brad Emaus was the prize of the 2010 offseason. Go back under your rock and stay there until someone asks your opinion about prospects which will be never, you batter dipped twinkie.
Lmao, Exactly maniac… The guy wrote one of the most asinine articles about a minor league player in the history of MMO that we were forced to shove down our throats only to realize how stupid this guy was in terms of minor league players.. If i ever need info pete and you are my 2 main sources, reading what he wrote about Olt i am sure will be taken with a grain of salt.. Brad Eamus .. give me a f’ing break
Actually i was for trading for Olt…before we extended Wright…now that that we have….trading for Olt would be like adding another Flores…
nothing against Olt…but Profur is a better prospect and a better fit on this team.
If not Profur than Andrus and a couple of their top prospects in exchange for either Dickey or Niese + Murphy + Flores would be a fair deal
Having a RF (who is a 3B ) is nothing compared to having a superior up the middle defense
i would also take a shot at Yankees 2B David Adams as well
Well people like Jessep and Cerrone think that if you could play first or third it automatically makes you a gifted outfielder.
I’m sorry – did I say that? Show me where I said that please?
Oh right… you can’t.
He played SS in college too ya know? To do that and play 3B pretty well you gotta be somewhat gifted in the field no? I have no clue if he can play a corner OF spot like LF. How many times have you seen him play?
I love how you act like I ran out and bought an Eamus jersey by the way. I reported on the Rule 5 draft with his scouting report and quoted it and I said
“This isn’t to say that I or the Mets think Emaus is the favorite for the spot. It does say, that the organization recognizes the weakness, and they took the best young 2B available. So this gives Terry Collins and Sandy Alderson, another option when it comes to figuring out what to do at 2B.
Personally, I’m excited about the pick. There’s no way to know if he will be on the Mets in 2011, the Rule V draft is a crapshoot by design. However, his numbers and his scouting reports show that he has value and is not a throw away player.”
That’s not exactly me saying he was some prize. I reported a scouting report, and mentioned how the Rule 5 is a crapshoot but the Mets took a chance on a player that could help them fill a current weakness. I don’t see how that’s so bad?
Mike Olt 2012:
.288/28/82 .977 OPS 101K 61BB in 421PA at AA.
Odds are he requires at least a half season at AAA.
Is he a fair trade for Dickey?
hopefully they do get it resolved. And if the teams are in some sort of game of chicken right now, the ones that need and want Dickey are going to have to decide to blink or not now.
so either finalize the deal this week to extend him, or take the best offer on the table. Either way, that removes the last question mark about what else needs to be done for the off season, and they can get on with it.
I’d do Olt plus Gentry…Gentry would immediately start in CF for the Mets while batting leadoff and add another RH bat. Olt would likely come up in May after spending 4 solid weeks playing nothing but OF. Yes, I think that’s a fair deal.
Agreed Metshype, Dickey will get moved to Texas. He has to, it is just common sense, Met’s need young position players and Texas wants to win now. Alderson will get what he wants and it will make the Met’s better over the long haul. I like Mike Olt, but to me Leonys Martin is a must and the difference maker the Me’ts need. He goes into center immediatly, hits leadoff, making them stronger up the middle defensively and sparking a line up that lacks speed. Met’s will sign Ross, Hairston, or another player of that caliber to play right till Olt is ready, which might be mid season. They will then add a starter to take Dickeys spot whether it be a Pelfrey or someone else on a one year deal till Wheeler is ready. That would be the wise move till next year in my view.
Next year the Mets will have money to sign a top starter to lead a rotation of Wheeler, Harvey, Neise, and Gee, and add a closer like the hammer Hanrahan. Or they will have prospects close enough to pull of a trade for a top starter or closer. The thing I feel that needs to be done to compete this year added to a Dickey trade is to make the bullpen dominant. They can possibly win this year with those moves if the bullpen is dominant. There are pieces they can add and they should not cost that much. I would like to see them add Howell as the primary lefty to go with Edgin with Carson ready to aid mid season. The N.L East has Atlanta, Philly, and Nats with all having extremely good lefty hitters, Mets where crazy last year carring one lefty, I will be disappointed if they do not add one in free agency or trade for one. Maybe take a flier on a pitcher coming off injury as well, and definitely add another power right handed reliever either to close or set up.
Sure losing Dickey hurts as a fan. Seems like a great guy and hey, he just won the Cy Young, but the Met’s have the starting pitching to compete even without Dickey, they are coming and they are close. What they lack is the young position players to go with them. If Alderson pulls off this deal it would be a great move. If Martin is not in the deal then he should not trade Dickey and see what he can get at the deadline. Either way he should go to add more young position players.
Since dedicating himself to being a committed Kunckler in 2010 Dickey has been one of the best performers as a professional pitcher, recently I extolled on his virtues to Mike Puma of the NY Post…
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Mike, it’s relatively obvious that the Mets are looking to cash in on their ill-perceived miniscule moment of good fortune in 2012. While believing Dickey’s results were a “ONE OF” situation not likely repeatable.
As a 63 yr old “student of the game” I believe that is a completely illogical conclusion.My logical presumption is that Dickey’s domination of NL lineups was the natural conclusion after combining YOUTHFUL AGGRESSIVE ATLETICISM & MODERN GAME PREPARATION TECHNIQUES.
In today’s environment of cost controls battling inflating Veteran salaries lineup openings are more often backfilled with <25 yr old top MiLB performers most with 5 abs/season against his unique offerings allowing miniscule opportunity to perfect adjustments. In conclusion I submit a mere $10M/Yr is paltry for such reliability despite his advanced age. ___________________________________________________________________________
RA has long been one of my favorites…
I welcome any discouraging words from anyone who disagrees on a non-emotional level.
***CORRECTION TO ABOVE COPY OF NOTE TO MIKE PUMA THAT DID NOT COPY & PAST ACCURATELY.
FULL TEXT WAS AS FOLLOWS…
Mike, it’s relatively obvious that the Mets are looking to cash in on their ill-perceived miniscule moment of good fortune in 2012. While believing Dickey’s results were a “ONE OF” situation not likely repeatable.
As a 63 yr old “student of the game” I believe that is a completely illogical conclusion.My logical presumption is that Dickey’s domination of NL lineups was the natural conclusion after combining YOUTHFUL AGGRESSIVE ATLETICISM & MODERN GAME PREPARATION TECHNIQUES.
In today’s environment of cost controls battling inflating Veteran salaries lineup openings are more often backfilled with <25 yr old top MiLB performers most with 5 abs/season against his unique offerings allowing miniscule opportunity to perfect adjustments. In conclusion I submit a mere $10M/Yr is paltry for such reliability despite his advanced age.
What the hell were the Mets doing at the Winter Meetings, drinking Pina Coladas at the bar all the time. The BEST time to make a deal for RA would have been at the winter meetings. After the meeting look what has happened.The options now are few and far between. I read all the stories about other teams asking too much or players not being available. BUT that is why you go behind closed doors and pound it out. Maybe the price for Upton would have been a little high but not only didn’t we get him but he is now going to bang on us on a team in our division. The Giants in my opinion overpaid for Pagan but Bourn is at the same price, so what do we do to go after Bourn, nothing. I am disgusted as a Met fan and I hope RA gets what he deserves from Texas or another team. The Mets don’t deserve RA.
I still think the best fit is Boston. A guy like Jackie Bradley (gold glove CF with power) would be perfect, especially if we can get a guy like Bryce Brentz with him.
But if they sign Dempster, and it looks like they will, there goes that.
Well we all know what the end result of this is going to be….
Instead of giving into Dickey he will give into Texas or some other trade partner and take less than he wanted regardless of that not being enough to get for a Cy Young Pitcher.
I have no problem with what Sandy WANTS to get I just know he isn’t going to get it and that means he should re-sign Dickey not lower his asking price just to get rid of him…
But the latter is what he is going to do because he needs to do something at this point or he is fired at the end of the season if it even takes that long!