Comments on: Mets Considering Whether To Bring Back Chris Young

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:45:15 +0000

METSIE, MIND YOUR CALENDAR; I BELIEVE U’VE MENTALLY PASSED A SEASON AS “NEXT” YEAR IS 2013, THE LAST GUARANTEED YR OF SANTANA’S “LICENSE TO STEAL”

AS SUCH, ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT & UNLIKELY AS IT SEEMS, THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR AN APRIL ROTATION OF SANTANA,HARVEY,NIESE,WHEELER,GEE
THOUGH I STILL BELIEVE THE FO HAS ALAYS PLANNED TO REPLACE DICKEY WITH A BOTTOM-OF-THE-BARREL VETERAN SIGNEE, CONTINUING TO FORESTALL WHEELER’S EVENTUAL ARBI/FREE AGENCY ELIGIBILITY DATES TO IT’S OUTER-LIMITS. WITH WHEELER BEING THE 2013 LATER SEASON SANTANA REPLACEMENT SHOULD SANTANA EITHER FADE, LIKELY , OR MORE UNLIKELY BE DEALT @ DEADLINE

By: jerseymet

jerseymet — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:17:14 +0000

Sure Bring Back Young. to a minor league contract with incentives.. There is never enough pitching. I expect Santana to be gone by the July trading deadline. We’ll be shutting pitchers down by August. Batista left some shoes to be filled.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:04:41 +0000

Not really 62 because Wheeler was the guy to replace Santana after his contract expires.
He is not going to start this season (Wheeler and prob not Travis either) and even if he does start this year that still leaves us shy one pitcher next season because I don’t see them re-signing Santana.

I would have had less issues with a Dickey Trade if it went towards getting that Power RHH OFer we needed…

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:33:23 +0000

METSIE, WITH WHEELER CHOMPING @ THE BIT, THAT HOLE U SPEAK OF IS AS MUCH OF A CONCERN AS THE HOLE YOUR BUCKET CREATES IN THE WATER U DIP IT INTO.
CERTAINLY WE GOT A “TODAY” CATCHER AT LEAST EQUIVILENT IN CATCHING PROCLIVITIES AS THOLE+NICKEAS AND A “TOMORROW” CATCHER TO HOPFULLY RIVAL THE LEGENDS OF CARTER/PIAZZA IN MET-LORE. INSTEAD OF BEING A HUNDLEY ECHO

IF NOTHING ELSE, IT WAS A GAMBLER’S MOVE. SOMETHING WE’VE ALL WANTED TO SEE FROM THIS NEW HIERARCHY.

AS WITH MOST GAMBLES THERE ARE DOWNSIDES TO LOSING AS WELL AS UPSIDES TO WINNING & UNTIL THE GAME IS FINISHED & U COUNT YOUR CHIPS U ARE UNLIKELY TO KNOW WHICH HAPPENED.
AS DICKEY, QUITE HONESTLY, WAS MY PERSONAL FAVORITE MET, I’M FAR FROM CONTENT; BUT HAVE ACCEPTED HIS TIME IN FUSHING PASSED THE MOMENT HE DENIED JEFF A PERSONAL REQUEST( PASS ON KILLAMANJARO)

INSTEAD OF THE WILPONS BEING ETERNLLY GRATEFUL THAT ALL BY HIMSELF R.A. FOR 1 SEASON CHANGED THE MOST DOMINANT 1 WORD ANSWER TO THE QUESTION,” THINK METS? FROM MADOFF TO DICKEY, FOR THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTE MIRACLE EVEN IF HIS ENTIRE STORY OVERSHADOWED THE NO-NO PRODUCED BY JEFF’S LONE BASEBALL CONTRACT NEGOTIATION[SANTANA]

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:50:27 +0000

“The trade that sent R.A. Dickey to Toronto and brought back catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud, created a new hole in the starting rotation.”

WHACK A MOLE

We filled a hole at Catcher, but made a hole by trading away a Cy Young Pitcher!

By: CB

CB — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:34:01 +0000

I’m surprised we haven’t heard anything about Joe Saunders. I think he is a great fit. been solid, and in hitters parks, puts up innings, and will probably only require a one year deal it looks like. unless someone is willing to give him two, but it doesn’t appear that way.

Liriano has tons more upside, but Saunders is as close to a sure thing as you can get to 180-200 quality innings, especially in Citi.

By: DrDooby

DrDooby — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:10:08 +0000

Young is better than given credit for.
Right now, the rotation is Niese – Santana – Harvey – Gee – and whoever is the 5th SP among Mejia, Hefner and McHugh.
Let alone the very realistic and solid idea of going with a 6-man rotation.
It wouldn´t hurt to let the back-end youngsters “work” for their money. Considering that injuries are bound to happen and growing pains will occurr, signing a decent veteran stopgap won´t hurt at all.
Young did alright last season. The team rarely scored more than 2 runs for him – and he usually kept the team in games through 6 innings before being pounded in the 7th in most of his starts.

By: Joey D.

Joey D. — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:15:42 +0000

I noticed there was no mention of any other club interested in Young (San Diego was referred to only as a team Chris might want to pursue on his own).

Sometimes what isn’t said is really what is being said.

By: ray sadecki

ray sadecki — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:48:49 +0000

I dont mind if they keep young another year. If the idea is to find a placeholder for Wheeler He is a good fit. Dont forget this guy had some very nice seasons in San Diego before he hurt his arm. As was stated, Hes one year futher away from surgury and should be able to go longer into games. Its also good to have a junkballer in the mix with the hard throwers. I would rather have a vet than to trust a hefner or mejia at this point.
The plan should be plug young in the 5th spot and hope he impresses a team in the playoff hunt and trade him for a prospect or 2 at the deadline and bring Wheeler up.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:35:27 +0000

It looks as though the one pitcher that could be the most use to us and at reasonable cost is off the table. Tom Gorzelanny.

By: Russell Zanca

Russell Zanca — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:08:17 +0000

Thanks, BBLB.

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:30:25 +0000

I wouldnt say Young pitched better than Liriano…since Young rarely gave you quality starts…He imploded after 4innings regularly….Not to mention Young is ALWAYS hurt…Its also kinda odd to sign Young as insurance in case one of our starters get hurt due to the fact that he is always hurt lol….

Honestly IMO…..We are rebuilding its the #5 starters spot thats open….Why cant we have a spring training competition with the Young guys
1.Mejia
2.Familia
3.McHugh
4.Hefner
5.And even Wheeler
6.and sign a vet or two to minor league deals w/spring training invite as insurance

Give them all a fair shot to earn it…..There is nothing better than competition….

“At worst it will Separate the Wheat from the Chaff”

By: TJ

TJ — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:18:33 +0000

Young should definitely be in the group being considered. We know they like his intangibles and while he has a terrible track record of injury, there is some sentiment that he can be stronger this year as he fully recovers from the 2011 surgery. I would like them to strongly consider Liriano as well, and hopefully sign the one that provides the best value. Even though 2013 may be a rebuild year, I don’t see any of the group of Mejia, Familia, McHugh, or Wheeler as ready to start the season. Gorski had a so-so season at AA last yaer and has yet to play at AAA. Let these kids continue to develop their secondary pitches and command in the minors, and make them force there way to the big team. If any do, great, then make YOung, Liriano, or the signed veteran earn the right to keep the spot.

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:17:07 +0000

I would click the link it looks jumbled lol

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:15:43 +0000

I think Johan will be fine….What everyone has to realize is Johan is not superman he just came off surgery and missed the whole year prior so his arm wasnt prepared to endure so many inning after all that down time and rehab.
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Pre-All Star game:
GS W L CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
17 6 5 2 2 102.2 87 39 37 12 33 99 3.24 1.17 .228

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Post-All Star game:
GS W L CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
4 0 4 0 0 14.1 30 26 26 5 6 12 16.33 2.51 .423

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(Hope this comes out looking right when I press post…if not here is a link to check out Johans split stats prior to the Allstar break)
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6441/splits;_ylt=AlWYjNwUaMl_sYwKB8qqW5yFCLcF

Santana was awesome for the 1st 17 games and just 4 bad games after the break when his arm tired and his overall stats all of a sudden makes it seem like he was bad the entire year…I expect an Allstar caliber season from Johan Santana…..

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:11:01 +0000

Wally, I too am advocating for Liriano however you can’t say “The FO needs to cut their crap out of bringing in additional garbage to this team for us to suffer and feel disgusted through out the year.” because of thinking about Young and then advocate Liriano who pitched worse than Young last year.

By: Wallyboy

Wallyboy — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:00:32 +0000

The FO needs to cut their crap out of bringing in additional garbage to this team for us to suffer and feel disgusted through out the year. I say bring in Liriano since he is a lefty and he has worked with Santana in the past, and most important since he woukd be the adequate replacement to Santana half way down the traiding dead-line or when Santana goes down (injury) yet again. If you are going to sign Young then bring him in for a minor league contract and send him down to help out the youngsters who could be a call up later in the year for depth purporses.

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:55:22 +0000

You mean “MR. 4Innings”…..He implodes after that….I rather the Mets target Tim Stauffer

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:52:01 +0000

The guy has the right mental makeup. Just works really hard and grinds it out. If the FO feels that he can improve physically by having more stamina and maybe a little more pep on the FB, I am fine with re-signing him. He has had so many injuries though and what we have seen maybe is all that he has left. If that is the case probably time to move on. Between him and Santana while trying to keep innings down on Harvey and Wheeler, the pen will be taxed before the all star break.

By: Russell Zanca

Russell Zanca — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:41:05 +0000

Oh, I understand the victriole, just not the vitriol