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2012
Examining A Potential Dickey For Gose And Arencibia Swap
An article by Hojo's Mojo
The Toronto Blue Jays and New York Mets are close to agreeing on a trade that could send Cy Young award winner R.A. Dickey to Toronto for a couple of yet to be defined players, according to major league sources.
The speculation and buzz is pointing to Antony Gose and J.P. Arencibia.
Outfield prospect Anthony Gose who batted .222 with a .622 OPS in 166 at-bats with 59 strikeouts and 15 stolen bases. Gose, 22, has a career slash of .264/.343/.391 in five minor league seasons. Gose’s offensive game is very similar to Luis Castillo with very little power and above average speed.
According to several reports, the second player in the deal would be catcher J.P. Arencibia rather than Travis d’Arnaud who the Mets love, but the Jays are still reluctant to deal him – especially if they are giving up two players.
Arencibia, who turns 27 in January, hit .233/.275/.435 with 18 home runs in 372 plate appearances for the Blue Jays in 2012. He has hit 41 home runs in 858 plate appearances over the last two seasons and will become eligible for arbitration after the 2013 season. The knock on Arencibia is his high strikeout rate; 108 K’s in 347 ABs last season.
Dickey of course is the grand prize in any deal. The 38-year-old Dickey became the first knuckleball pitcher to win the Cy Young Award after a going 20-6 with a 2.73 ERA and a 1.05 WHIP in 2012. Making his achievement more remarkable was that he did it with the fourth place Mets who had the league’s worst bullpen.
There’s a lot of risk here for the Mets who are not getting any players who are expected to be major league stars like Dickey is. Gose has more upside then Arencibia who is what he is. Whether he is ready for the role or not, the Mets will probably bat Gose lead-off from the word go.
It looks like Dickey is going either way, but if it goes down like this I’m afraid there’s a lot that needs to go right for Gose and d’Arnaud before we can call this a win for the Mets.
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Unless D’Arnaud is in the deal, this will be a terrible deal for us. I would rather keep Dickey and know we have an ace for the next three years if the choice is Arencibia and D’Arnaud..
if the choice is Arencibia and *not D’Arnaud..
The Mets will get their men D Arn and GOOSE…it will happen..B Jays have tons of catching…
I agree – that’s why Sandy’s been holding out… d’Arnaud & Gose makes sense.
Thanks Dickey for your service…Dickey was a freebee…..and thats how it works sometimes,you get a player off the scrap heap and he is gets you 2 future studs..Now go get Ross for 2 years and Lannan for a year..
Last time the Mets traded for a Catcher that played professionally in Canada we got back
~Gary Carter.
The last time we traded a top pitcher and eventual Cy Young winner (David Cone)for a prospect we got back
~Jeff Kent
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With that said Arencebia/Gose better not be the return if so Sandy Alderson should be taken out to sea then thrown overboard.
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Travis d’Arnaud has to be the main piece in this deal or nothing from the Jays
d’Arnaud or bust. J.P. and Gose simply isn’t enough, especially with other teams also checking in. You have to land the best prospect you can get in this deal, and I have a hard time thinking J.P. and Gose is the best package compared to other teams.
Luis Castillo?? lol. what??
Quite possibly the worst comparison I’ve ever heard in my life.
Castillo hit one home run in his minor league career. Gose has hit 33. 19 last year alone, including 16 in AA. and slugging percentages over .400 in AA and AAA. Castillo never slugged over .400 at any level.
jesus, come on.
Did some checking. Gose has 30 homeruns in 2,256 plate appearances in minors and had a .319 slugging last year. He also only had 5 total homers last year. I think you have him mistaken with someone else. Gose actually measures up very nicely with Castillo. Hopefully he gets on base the way Luis did in his career with a .369 career mark.
Last year was 2011 my friend. In 2011 he hit 19 home runs. If I meant 2012 I would have said this year. And the slugging percentage you gave was in the major leagues, in 166 at bats. His first 166 major league at bats. At 21-22 years old. I wouldn’t expect anything more. If you think .319 is anywhere near his ceiling, going by his first 166 major league at bats at 21-22 years old, then we will agree to disagree.
It is a terrible comparison. I could also get into contact rate and strike outs.
there really needs to be a consistent approach to this. When does “this” year become “last” year? I think we are into last year territory now.
I just go by the calendar. I use the word “year” in its most literal sense. the calendar year.
Cerrone says his sources tell him d’Arnaud is in the deal with Gose. For what it’s worth. That would make it a much better deal for us. We’d be set behind the plate for at least 7 years.
Id rather keep RA than get these scrubs.
It looks like Den Dekker could give you what Gose does and Arencibia’s stats are similar to Duda’s.
Way to little in return for RA.
Wrong info…d’Arnard is in this
You’ve been wrong a few times this already offseason. Just wait and see what the deal is before saying right or wrong. You do not have direct knowledge on the deal. Nobody does.
I am curious about the chasm that exists with some fans, as it relates to the value of Arancibia v. D’Arnaud. D’Arnaud seems to be a “can’t miss” prospect in the eyes of certain fans. If there is someone on this board who has seen D’Arnaud play, I would like to get their scouting report. Only a few years ago Arancibia was D’Arnaud. If you get a chance, take a look at Arancibia’s “numbers” in the minor leagues. He was one of the top prospects as rated by Baseball America. The point being that D’Arnaud is not a sure thing. On top of it he is a catcher coming off of a knee injury.If this deal turns out to be D’Arnaud straight up for Dickey, I for one will be very disappointed. Another serious prospect has got to be included by the Jays, even if the cornerstone of the deal is D’Arnaud. Otherwise Sandy needs to pass.
Hmm in the world of the sand people a Cy Young pitcher is worth two guys who can’t hit above .250 in the Minor Leagues!
Hey Metsie. I have been quiet all day on this and just waiting to see how it goes down before I flip out. If this trade goes down as they say you can forget about a winning season in 2013, 2014 and 2015 at the very least. Basically when Wright starts to suck. These are going to be dark days.
What I dred is the half a season of excuse making that will be made and we subjected to when these guys hit even less in the MLB.
Then come the “We have to trade Ike because we have no one else to trade crap…
Wright will be lucky if we are competitive in the last year of his contract in 2020!
Some are reporting Ike might be in play. The Jays are going to move d’Arnaud, they just want to take as much talent as possible. Mets North Blue Jays are trying to hose us.
Why not throw Niese Harvey and Wheeler in there too, I’m sure they have at least 4 more guys who hit .220 they can throw in….
What I don’t get if these guys are top prospects then what the hell is Flores? Hall Of Famer already?
If talks with Toronto do not include d’Arnaud, then they’re not “serious” but “foolish”.
Based on his results in the Beltran trade, I trust Sandy will not drop the ball on this one.
This would be a horrible trade! Giving up a Ct Young award winner, a workhorse starter
For marginal players.. it’s stupid and unacceptable.. Seriously you cant get back better than teo 230. Hitters, only one has some power, the other a light hitting Castillo clone with crappy obp skills..wtf!
Ike Davis may be included? Because we may get catcher Travis d’Arnaud . Still a bad trade and here is why. dArnaud is a catcher with and injury history one being a torn knew ligament….Hello a catcher with bad knees, is not smart rial! I thought we hired a front Office filled with smart baseball Men?
They mishandled this years draft, and are now looking to make a terrible trade…
Hey Fred & Jeff, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I would live to well u