Comments on: Both Sides Not Even Close On A Dickey Deal

By: Sloatsburg Mets Fan

Sloatsburg Mets Fan — Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:36:29 +0000

Since ARod is out for a while any chance they trade a catching prospect for Murphy?

By: ecpglp

ecpglp — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:19:03 +0000

That’s absolutely hilarious. No way the Royals trade one of the top 5 prospects in baseball plus their top pitching prospect, plus their young stud catcher who is signed through 2019 for one year of Dickey, a middling SP prospect in Familia, and a long way away guy like Fulmer.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:03:13 +0000

DR. D… WHILE U WERE WAITING TO EXHALE THE METS NEGOTIATED” DEFERRING”BAY’S 16M 2013 SALARY INTO 2 EQUAL PARTS OVER ’13 & ’14 THUS SAVING ONLY 78M IN ’13 WHILE ADDING 8M TO ’14 THAT WASN’T THERE IN ACTUALITY W/BUYOUT $$$ IT’S MORE LIKE 9.5M IN EACH PAYMENT.

By: METS62FAN

METS62FAN — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:44:57 +0000

BAD-BAD, I COMPLEETELY AGREE WE HAVE TOO MANY HOLES TO FILL BY TRADING JUST 1 PITCHER, EVEN THE REIGNING CY WINNER; HOWEVER, I RECENTLY OPINED TO SOME FAMILY MEWMBERS, THE FOLLOWING ON WHAT I’D DO IF I WERE ALDERSON, A COPY OF MY NOTE FOLLOWS:
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I STILL AM TOO UNFAMILIAR WITH ALDERSON’S STYLE TO VENTURE EVEN AN EDUCATED GUESS AS TO HIS PLANS, THOUGH IF IT WERE ME, I’D BE USING DICKEY AS THE FLAME TO DRASW THE MOTHS(OTHER CLUBS’ OFERS) SO AS TO EVALUATE WHAT OTHER TEAMS’ PLAYERS MAY BE CONSIDERED TO BE POTENTIAL CHIPS TO ACQUIRE PITCHING WITH. I’D ATTEMPT TO ASSESS 2 DIFFERENT SCALE OFFERS, ONE WITH THE MOST TALENT(ANY LEVEL) THE OTHER WITH THE BIGGER MAJOR LEAGUE EFFECT aka MLB READY HIGH QUALITY AAA OR YOUNG VETS WHILE BEING PREPARED TO OFFER NIESE IN RETURN FOR THE MLB READY PKG &/OR GEE FOR THE TALENTED MiLB PKG OF PROMIS(S) DEALING BOTH IF NEEDED TO IMPROVE THE MOST BOTH? WHY?
PRIMARILY BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY HOLES NEEDING BODIES TO FLIL WITH JUST ONE DEAL AND I’D CONSIDER 4 STUD STARTERS ENOUGH TO GO FORTH WITH SANTANA, DICKEY, HARVEY, WHEELER, TBD, TO ME, IS BETTER THAN SANTANA,WHEELER HARVEY, NIESE, GEE,
ESPECIALY IF I GARNER AT LEAST 1 OUTFIELD UPGRADE & A MLB READY CATCHER CONSIDERING THOSE TEAMS WHO ARE CALING ON DICKEY: KC, TORONTO, CLEVELAND
THAT’S WHAt i would do, alderson, probably not!
THIS IS REPORTEDLY GOUING TO BE THE HOTTEST MEETING Re TRADES COMPLETED IN SOMETIME AS FAR AS NYM & F/A GO. I’M IN A POSITION OF HOPING CERTAIN TIOP F/A STAY OUT OF THE DIVISION SUCH AS GRENKE STAYING OUT OF DC, WHO ARE RUMORED TO BE INTERESTED & HAMILTON PREFERRING TO REMAIN IN THE Jr CIRCUIT INSTEAD OF TRYING ON PHILLIES’ RED.
ONE TEAM POTENTIALY INTERESTED IN PITCHING; BUT UNLIKELY SUITORS FOR DICKEY IS AZ BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT DICKEY DOMINATED THEM IN CITI; BUT LOST 2 OF HIS LAST 3 IN AZ. TO PRSUE UPTON ALDERSON WOULD NEED TO CONTACT AZ WITH NIESE MORE THAN LIKELY.
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I LIEU OF EWPORTS THAT ANDY & DICKEY MET LAST NIGHT WITHOUT ANY CONTRACT DISCUSSIONS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THE UNRESOLVED ELEPHANT IS A “NO-TRADE” CLAUSE AND BOTH SIDES HAVE ALREADY COME TO TERMS ON TERM & DOLLARS WHILE SANDY CAN CONTINUE TO USE DICKEY AS BAIT UNTIKL THE VERY LAST MOMENT WHEN THEY’LL GIVE HIM HIS ‘NO TRADE’ IN EXCHANGE FOR THE DEEP “MET ONLY” DISCOUNT
TO ME, THAT ALL MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR ALL INVOLVED PARTIES AS SUCH, I WOULDN’T BE SHOCKED IF NIESE WENT TO CLEVELAND & GEE TO KC OR TOR.

By: tony

tony — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:16:42 +0000

HItmam, your cool but how are we going to solve the pitching rotation if Dickey is traded.
Your back at square one trying to figure out who’s going give you the innings and a chance to win every outing. So you build your team around your core players like Dickey, Wright, Davis,Tegada. Yes, and possibly we could have won just 54 games without Dickey Task master.

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 02:14:35 +0000

So instead of building on that we just hit the blow it all up button every offseason? That’s rich. Lets just suck forever why don’t we. Or at least until Alderson gets fired or passes away, which ever happens first.

By: Hitman

Hitman — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:57:51 +0000

One pitcher isn’t gonna fix all our problems. Stop it.

By: tlagee

tlagee — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:37:57 +0000

I know your grandmother – and let me tell you, unless they put a gurney under TC he ain’t running like your grandma.

By: Chicago Days

Chicago Days — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:28:11 +0000

i agree. i’ve been saying the same thing. KC is on the cusp of playoff contention in a City that hasn’t competed since when, the 1980s? They’re 1 pitcher away. i think they’ll trade Myers for that ‘right’ pitcher.
And, yes, Lester i coming off a bad year. Is there something ‘wrong’ with him? According to speculation, RA has 6 – 7 teams interested in him. That’s huge.
i think Dickey gets traded to KC. I think a package of, say, RA, Familia, Fulmer, & maybe Murphy (sorry!) gets Myers + Zimmer + Perez, or a bigger package like Cain, Zimmer, Ventura, Bonifacio, DeShields, Jr.
And, in my view. that’s for starters: We get Salty from Boston and sign Cody Ross.
And, best of all, the Mets get to the playoffs in 2013!

By: taskmaster4450

taskmaster4450 — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:24:48 +0000

The Mets won 74 games with Dickey taking home the Cy Young…do you really think 2013 is rosy even with him in the rotation?

By: Frankie Says

Frankie Says — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:59:31 +0000

If Alderson trades Dickey he has no commitment to ever winning a championship in NY. How many years is this constant policy of waiting till next year going to last? He trades Dickey it means he punted the 2013 season. All he’s done is bleed the Mets from Comeback Players, Batting Champions, and now Cy Youngs. He dont get how winning works. Nuff said!

By: Frankie Says

Frankie Says — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:55:59 +0000

I’d take Shields over either Lester or Dickey if I’m the Royals.

By: TruthsaboutMurphy

TruthsaboutMurphy — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:44:38 +0000

And Joe:

Honestly, how can anyone presume to know which players are untouchable or off the table?

Teams deal for their own needs; most of the time dealing from their strength. That’s why the Mets ate considering trading RA, their ace and someone that reasonably shouldn’t be traded considering his value to their rotation. However, as Sandy has stated, the Mets currently have depth in starting pitching and if bowled over, would be will to move a starter if it helped the team.

The Royals want a number one starter. They have some decent pitching and a good offense, but lack that number one starter that could legitimize their team in a division they feel they could compete in. Now, this is a team and fan base starved for success. They’ve had a horrible twenty years and have finally developed a good offense through their system, but after all these years and many low draft picks, still haven’t developed the pitching that’s wins championships. They sure can’t afford the big ticket items and Cy Young winners are rarely if ever available for a price they could pay. Just like with Wheeler, when a team thinks they are one player away, crazy things happen.

Yeah, Lester is younger, but he’s also not coming off a great season. I believe RA is a much safer bet to continue to have success if I’m a team having to give up a top prospect. My point is that these rumors are out there and possibly are being leaked by teams themselves just to keep the asking price down and help in negotiations. Maybe it’s the Royals way of only having to give up Myers and nothing else in a deal for a top pitcher; let teams think they received a great deal while only just getting that one prospect, when normally a Cy Young winner would’ve gotten the team much more.

I just don’t think a team like the Royals, so hungry for success, can afford to constrain themselves hoping a great pitcher falls in their lap. If its the best chance at the playoffs or Myers, they better pick that chance. Nobody, especially a prospect, should hold that back after decades of losing.

By: TX

TX — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:39:45 +0000

Good post.

By: tony

tony — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:38:24 +0000

When it comeS down to stopping a six game losing streak then what are you going to say !!
I wish we had our ALL STAR AND CY YOUNG PITCHER BACK IN THE ROTATION

By: TruthsaboutMurphy

TruthsaboutMurphy — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:24:42 +0000

Dickey needs to enjoy his offseason and realize that he won’t be signed any time soon. He can sit in a the negotiating table all he wants but until every last suitor is crossed off the list, his extension gets put on hold.

Bring the kids to Disney and skip the meetings RA, they’ll call you when it’s time to talk turkey. Or to tell you which city your heading to come spring.

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:11:12 +0000

See below as Dickry led NL with a 80% LOB Stat. Skil and guts under pressure.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=nl&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=13,d

By: Connor O'Brien

Connor O'Brien — Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:58:27 +0000

Yeah that’s not how it works lol.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:38:41 +0000

if pitcher wins don’t matter then the Mets should sign anybody, that’s all. Since pitcher’s wins are now diminished just sign anybody because if you position your players in all kinds of ridiculous defensive positions that will make up for it, right?

you can sign good pitchers. This way you have a better chance to win

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:35:54 +0000

another ridiculous saber belief from people who learned the game from a ledger instead of watching.

Good pitchers will always put their teams in better position to win than lousy pitchers. Yes all kinds of extenuating circumstances come into play as in ALL sports that use teams to compete but the bottom line is good to great pitchers are good to great for a reason.

They put their teams, no matter what team they’re on, in better positions to win. This disregard for pitcher’s wins ESPECIALLY when it involved outstanding pitchers who KNOW how to make the correct pitches to win or are just untouchable, is just silly and downright stupid.