A good player is a good player, a performer performs no matter what age he might be at the time he performed.

I hear a lot of people talking about PATIENCE around here….
I wonder if they really DO want to be patient or are just using it as a marketing tool to try and give Sandy a little more time to make Moneyball work here….

But if your TRULY patient and willing to wait. then doesn’t it make a LOT more sense to sign Dickey and WAIT for a guy like Santana to have a good first half where you can trade him for kids or let him walk for Picks at the end of the year?

Isn’t that pretty much the same options we are touting as a reason to keep waiting on Dickey?
The only difference between the two is the price of the qualifying offer that you need to make.

We keep talking about Dickey being the only guy we can trade…
Trade NOW maybe but is patience a thing that is concerned with the NOW?

Why not use this patience and WAIT to see if Duda starts hitting and can be traded to some team who needs a HR hitting 1B?
Why not wait until Flores’ numbers skyrocket in that launchpad in Vegas and advance him on BA’s list to have that prospect not named Wheeler to trade for a known performer?
Why not wait until Mejia or Familia are ready to fill those Pen holes we have instead of trading away a Dickey to get what could be another Torres or a yet another 3B (like Flores) who has to play out of position to be of any use to us?

I see all these people telling us to be patient and they are all the same people who insist Dickey must be traded for anything that someone thinks is PROSPECT regardless of if we actually need that guy or not.

If your patient you will let the draft solve our problems and keep the guys like Dickey who will carry you through until those kids are ready.

Patience dictates you sign Dickey to be your ace after Santana is gone and be that until some of those promising kids we have on our top 20 Prospect list are ready to get a rotation shot.

Problem is these people who preach patient aren’t really being patient they are just stalling hoping Sandy pulls a rabbit out his a$$!

And they hope a Dickey trade will get them that rabbit!

I say go ask alice…cause anyone who thinks trading Dickey is going to solve the problems of this team has to be on drugs and is sure not being patient they are being impulsive and letting good go just for the sake of being able to stall a little longer on the moneyball attempt!

Did Dickey exceed his contract? Yes. Was it a risk for the Mets to give it to him after one year? Yes. A gamble that paid off for them. Do the Mets have to make up for that by over paying him now? No

That is why it is a gamble…if Dickey sucked then he would not have given the Mets the money back.

As for the numbers just bogus fangraphs stuff. Oh this guys had a $40M year. What a crock of garbage.

But then again, there is a sucker born everyday.

Looks like Taskmaster couldnt defend that argument so he brought up something trivial with intentions to lessen your argument lol….

Its safe to say he has failed lol

Yeah thats a smart move make Dickey earn his pay in his last year….although he has outplayed his original deal…his price will onl go UP on the open market…This makes no sense for the Mets to keep him and let him play out that deal to earn an extension.

But hey Jessep you defend any and everything that is Alderson regardless

has anything changed with the numbers i gave you?

43 mil worth of production so far for less than 8 mil in salary?

Dickey was given a two year GUARANTEED contract in January 2011 with a third year (2013) as an option.

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/1/29/1963027/mets-sign-r-a-dickey-to-two-year-extension

Anything else you would like to know?

order pizza ?

cuz i thought that was John Ricco’s job

are you Sandy Alderson’s nephew ?

are you inheriting money from the wilpons ?

why do u play bikram yoga with the truth here ?

If Dickey got hurt in year 1, the team does not have to pick him up in year 2. these are irrefutable facts. You are lying for some odd reason.

Dickey in 2010 gave the Mets 11.2 mil worth of production for less than 1 million dollars.

after this the mets gave RA Dickey a ONE year contract for 2.75 mil
with a ONE year option for 4.25 mil

than in 2011, gave the Mets 11.2 mil worth of production for 2.75 mil
in 2012, Dickey gave the Mets 20.8 mil worth of production for 4.25 mil

So far Dickey has given the Mets 43 million worth of production and has been paid 7.6 mil

anything else you wanna know ?

they walked in with your confidence and enough cache to spare. 2 years later, a good 85% of the fanbase has a worse impression of the ownership and management than they did in 2010

DePo does what I said he does.

Or the NBA.

As for the moves he made, they do not matter. We had GMs who took the short term view of things, just like you, and ended up with garbage. What have the Mets produced in 20 years? Next to nothing. What did they excel at? Spending money. What you miss is that when Alderson entered the picture, the Mets were a pathetic organization; one of the worst. In the last 15 years, since the days of Bobby Jones and Edgardo Alfonso, the Mets produced 3 players of value: Reyes, Wright, and Niese. That is asinine. How can an organization be so bad in a decade and a half? People can point fingers at many different people but in the end, it doesnt matter, the organization sucked.

Yet you want more of the same. Please spend so the Mets are competitive for a couple of years before crashing hard (look at 1999-2000; 2006-2008). Each success was followed up with awful years. I dont recall the exact record but the 2002 and 2003 seasons were not stellar ones in Met history (but at least they paid Mo Vaughn a lot of money). Even if we go back to the run in the 1980s, when those players got old and moved on, what was the course of action? Spend money. Remember Coleman and Bonilla and the best team money can buy? Where did they end up. Seems history repeats itself in Mets lore.

To expect that type of situation to be turned around in a year or two is crazy. Spending money is more of the same. People are whining for the Mets to sign FAs…do you really think Cody Ross for 3 years is going to turn the Mets into a contender? What happens when he is afflicted by the Fenway effect like Bay and sucks? Competitive organizations build through young players who either help or are traded for help. Even the Yankees follow this pattern. Look at the following list.

Williams, Posada, Jeter, Rivera, Pettite-all home grown
Abreau, Swisher, Justice, Granderson, Tino Martinez, ARod, Clemons, Paul O’Neill, and David Cone-a;; acquired via trade mostly for young talent like Roberto Kelly and Soriano (and no names who never were much like Sterling Hitchcock).

The point is the Yankees had the talent to deal, something they got away from the last 5 or 6 years. Right now the Mets have next to nothing.

Has Alderson been right on many of the moves he made? Nope. The difference is I understand it doesnt matter. Carrasco. Who cares? He is gone. So is everyone else who was involved except for Wheeler and Francisco. Cashen did the same thing early on until he was able to develop a core to build around.

The bottom line is when an organization is this bad, it is a 4 or 5 year process to turn things around. Shortcuts have not proven to work. And before people start saying “well I guess you want to continue losing”…the answer is no….that is what the Mets did for the last two decades. It is time for a different course of action.