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2012
An Undervalued Superstar
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The baseball market is an interesting place, poisoned by the once outlandish claims of the Yankees and the overall change in player value these days. We fear giving players contracts for the short term in their old age, yet we will gladly sign stars well into their late thirties at ridiculous salaries to get them in their prime. I could go on about my issues with the way players are valued these days, but I wanted to focus on two specific men. Take a look at these combined stats from 2010-2012 of two different players.
Player A: 39-28, 2.95 E.R.A. with 8 CG and 4 SHO. 616.2 IP, 559 H allowed, 225 R (202 ER), 55 HR, 150 BB, 468 K, 1.150 WHIP, 8.2 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.2 BB/9.
Player B: 41-25, 3.83 E.R.A., with 3 CG and 0 SHO. 604.0 IP, 580 H allowed, 280 R (257 ER), 55 HR, 154 BB, 582 K, 1.215 WHIP, 8.6 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.3 BB/9.
Did you figure it out? Here’s a hint. Player A is under contract to his team for $5 MM next year, while Player B just netted himself a six-year, $147 MM contract. In the past three years, RA Dickey has basically matched or surpassed all the numbers that Zack Greinke has put up. Does it not really make you appreciate the kind of player we have here?
Here is something else to take notice of. The run support numbers from ’10-’12 (4.00 / 3.81 / 4.61) average out to 4.14 runs per game for RA while Greinke checks in (3.45 / 5.11 / 4.91) at 4.49. The difference is small, but it shows that they both got around the same run support while also having the same amount of unearned runs behind them (23).
RA is a special case, and I know that nobody is going to be doling out six-year deals to 38-year old knuckleballers. But if other teams do not respect the talent we have here, it makes sense to sign him to whatever extension is being thrown out there. To be honest, I would much prefer that than to see RA go. I have really become attached to him. The issue is that our team is in pseudo-rebuilding mode, and keeping Dickey only seems makes sense if they plan to compete soon…and from the looks of it, they do not.
Regardless, I think it is fair to throw some kudos in Dickey’s direction. With all the crap he is getting for “using a gimmick pitch” or being too old to an extension, I say let the public talk. It is my humble opinion that RA Dickey will pitch just as well, if not better, than Zack Greinke in the following three years.
We should sign RA to the extension that he is asking for. Supposedly, it is 2/26 on top of the $5 MM option for next year. 2/26 is what Ryan Dempster got from the Red sox, for god’s sake. I doubt that the trade interests of teams will be changed so significantly by the extension, and it works out in a positive way for the Mets. Dickey can still be shopped with the extension or during the length of the contract, and it will be a win-win for both sides in my eyes. 2/26 already looks miles better than 6/147…and that image will only improve as time goes on.
Here is one last thing to think about… In 2018, when Greinke will be turning 35, he will get paid $24 MM. We are pretty lucky if RA is asking for $26 million over two years while Greinke will be picking up a similar amount in 2018 for one season.
About the Author: Satish Ram
I am a Senior Writer and Editor here at MetsMerized - where I specialize in Minor League coverage. I have been on the staff since 2007 and I am currently in my third semester of college in New York City. You can find me at www.facebook.com/SatishRam or @SilverHeatMMO. Feel free to message me - I love talking about the Mets or baseball overall with anybody.
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According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Cardinals have signed Ty Wigginton to a two-year contract in the $5 million range. These are the signings that annoy me. Would have been a perfect fit for the Mets. Im sure they werent willing to pay him 5M but hes worth it. Why are we in paralysis mode? Do something Sandy, jeez.
Why would Ty want to come to NY when he go to St L and get the same money…in a smaller tax bracket…on a better team…with a more sane fanbase….?
And a very good chance to go to the post season which gets important as players get older.
We need to sign outfielders, catchers, and bullpen guys, not corner infielders like Wiggy.
Hell if people are ready to put Olt out there, why not Wigginton? He at least has played both left and right field for 80+ games in the big leagues.
RA is a bargain for next year and if reports are to be believed, is asking for a team friendly type contract for the 2 years after that.
Sign him and get it done.
Nice little article, I agree the Mets should sign Dickey if they do not get what they want, but only if they do not get what they want. If they can get Trumbo it is a no brainer, I do not care how much he strikes out, he hits Trumb bombs from the right side of the plate, exactly an element the Mets need in there line up.
Why should anyone “respect” him when his own team’s front office doesn’t? Its not that others don’t respect Dickey, its that they don’t feel the need in December to be held hostage by a GM that is offering him as if he’s Cy Young, but treating him as if he’s Mike Pelfrey.
Totally Agree!!! The Front office handled this whole Dickey situation terribly. You can’t ask for 2 difference makers and then give Dickey a low ball extension.
But what is the realistic option ???
Sign him to an extension and then trade him right away ?
That could cause a grievance by the Players Association by the way and wouldn´t exactly make signing extensions with the Mets more attractive – especially for a below market value rate like Dickey apparently is (still ?) willing to do. Or if Dickey wants a “no-trade” clause in there, it may kill the trade market for him.
Look, the Mets will either trade Dickey if someone offers a package that makes sense for the Mets longterm. So far, in spite of Dickey´s success in 2010 to 2012, apparently no team has made such an offer, because the rumored offers aren´t exactly overwhelming.
And if this doesn´t change even with dominos in the upper free agent & trade market now falling daily, then at some point, the Mets need to regroup and try to determine whether an extension is possible. Obviously, a 2-year, 25 million $ extension to go with the 5 million $ 2013 option is absolutely okay. Build in a vesting option based on IP & Dickey ´s health for a 4th year to make it 4-year, 40 million through 2016. That won´t kill the future payroll and the odds that Dickey will at least be a solid back-end SP by then is very high. And even back-end SP are getting 8 million $ per year these days, so the risk is low.
Dickey probably won´t win many future CY awards and won´t have many seasons of making only 5 million $. He´s affordable for any team, so his trade value will never be higher again. If someone is willing to give up pieces that make the Mets a better team from 2014 or 2015 on longterm or help fill the gapping OF & C holes when there certainly is risk with a pitcher in a 40-year-old body, then trade him.
However, if 29 other teams are all sceptical or scared of Dickey´s uniqueness, keeping him in NY as a veteran staff stabilizer surrounded by a lot of young arms may not be such a terrible idea.
I heard that the CBA does not allow for a player to is signed during the off season to be traded until June 15th. If that is the case, that would explain the need to draw the negotiations out while seeking a trading partner.
Does that also include extensions for a player under contract ?
While it may be forbidden anyway, even if it is not, it would cause a massive loss of trust in general for players. Even worse than what has happened with the Marlins by trading Reyes, Buehrle, etc.At least they knew what they did when they signed a longterm contract without a no-trade clause.
If Dickey were to sign an extension, in full knowledge that he´s being shopped, he´d certainly expect a word in all this.
It might not include extensions but I am led to believe that it might since the Mets are reluctant to sign Dickey to the terms that were mentioned. I would think that his value would increase if he was under contract for 3 years as opposed to one.
Nevertheless, the indication is that if Dickey is given the extension, he will not be traded.
The main 2 issues for RA, though, are this: Age and Knuckle-ness. Yes, he’s pitched better than Greinke, but where we are going with RA is anyone’s guess.
And yes, I want top prospects or re-sign the man. And please do either of the 2 soon, just to give us something new to chat about…
That´s probably the biggest problem for the fan base, currently. Lack of things to discuss. It´s like being stuck in an isolation cell in prison, I suppose, with nothing to do but think about oneself and the perceived hopelessness of the situation.
That new topic we’d be discussing would be what a horrible decision the Mets made, no matter what it is.
And i am sure that no matter what desicion they make, you’ll support them no matter what. If a player that was link to us signed with another team i am sure you’ll blast that player saying he was no good yadayada…. If we sign a player, no matter how big of a POS he is, you will defend the FO saying it was a good pick up, or good for the minors, or every team does this etc..
Your sl__ness has no boundaries when it comes to this FO. Glad people are taking notes on you already!
^^^^ THIS
Look in the mirror. No matter what the FO does, you will attack it.
It goes both ways.
This
this front office has EARNED that.
they walked in with your confidence and enough cache to spare. 2 years later, a good 85% of the fanbase has a worse impression of the ownership and management than they did in 2010
No it doesn’t.. Since day 1 i have been absolutely 20000% right about this FO and its moves… Other than maybe the betran trade, i have seen nothing to be excited about.. only the like of you, jessep, donal and a few others enjoyed everything alderson does because you proclaim the guy to be a genius, 3 years later he’s arguably the worst GM in baseball (Taken the title from a guy he hired as well in depodesta) and the mets have decline and gotten worst drastically. Not sure what you mean, but when carrasco and the group of POS were signed during his first off season, i was wondering if he was doing that to see if his phylosophy of moneyball would work, then of course, we blamed omar for his off season, then last year the same thing, lost 3 all stars and replaced him with 3 bullpen guys who at best sucked and i said that from the get go. this year, well, wake me up when he does something and i’ll tell you whether the move suck or doesn’t.
Can someone please tell me what Depodesta does for this organization? I mean besides collecting a fat paycheck and hanging out on the West Coast.
Paul DePodesta is in charge of amateur scouting and player development.
As dir of amateur scouting, DePodesta is in charge of the June draft. His job is to determine the process in which they scout the amateur players and draft enough talented players to build up a quality farm system. Then it is his job to work with the instructors in the minors to have a detailed development plan and get the players the instruction they need to advance through the system and eventually to the big leagues.
I thought that was Riccardi’s job? Either way not sure why we need 4 goons to do nothing.
No no. JP’s job is “Special Assistant to General Manager Sandy Alderson” which probably means “next to be hired when sandy leaves voluntarily after 2014.”
DePo does what I said he does.
so exactly what does JP do from 2010-2014 ?
order pizza ?
cuz i thought that was John Ricco’s job
“Since day 1 i have been absolutely 20000% right about this FO and its moves”
No, you’ve been wrong with every prediction. Like the 100 loss seasons. And the Marlins winning the World Series.
First of all i said this FO sucked… Right
Mets will lose 93 games… 5 off.
Marlins will win a WS…. Well, noone in here predicted the Giants either so… I’m good.
You need to stop sucking up to this FO, it makes you look more stupid than what you already are. Jsut stop it ok, your little bandwagon of moneyball or bust is getting emptier by the day, only 5 or 6 of you remain in the bus so, time to hop off .
Alex,
Why do you continue to assume that those of us who support Sandy A think he is the best GM out there? I support what he has done and is doing now because I have accepted the fact that the Wilpons’ who are not selling didn’t want to lose the team and the only way out for them was to hire Sandy to do what he does best. That meant slashing payroll and he did so by letting Jose Reyes test the FA waters which is what Jose was going to do and by trading Carlos Beltran for a stud pitching prospect.
Like it or not, we are stuck with the Wilpons as owners and until their finances recover, it is Sandy’s job to make lemonade from the lemons he was handed. If the Mets were serious contenders for the playoffs in 2012, maybe Sandy could have convinced the Wilpons to find the money to resign Reyes and Beltran but there were far too many risks involved because of their injury history. Combine this and the fact that our pitching was still suspect steered Sandy away from a pipe dream that we were going to be serious contenders.
Moneyball, and sabermetrics have some validity for sure but when a team can throw money around without worry then the GM who knows the most about talent should be the guy running the show. When Sandy was brought in to keep the ship afloat he was essentially a “bean counter” first and foremost.
Accept it for now because under Sandy the yearly financial losses have been greatly reduced. Once the team is in the black again, i predict that Sandy will turn over the GM position to his guys and if they have the ability to compete for free agents cash wise then we should be able to act more like a big market team again!
You just need to be patient a little longer!
Once again you fail to understand. To start, I dont support everything he does….at the top of the list is the choice of manager and most of the coaching staff. I didnt like them in the beginning and felt there should be a change after this season. He decided to retain them all…I disagree.
As for the moves he made, they do not matter. We had GMs who took the short term view of things, just like you, and ended up with garbage. What have the Mets produced in 20 years? Next to nothing. What did they excel at? Spending money. What you miss is that when Alderson entered the picture, the Mets were a pathetic organization; one of the worst. In the last 15 years, since the days of Bobby Jones and Edgardo Alfonso, the Mets produced 3 players of value: Reyes, Wright, and Niese. That is asinine. How can an organization be so bad in a decade and a half? People can point fingers at many different people but in the end, it doesnt matter, the organization sucked.
Yet you want more of the same. Please spend so the Mets are competitive for a couple of years before crashing hard (look at 1999-2000; 2006-2008). Each success was followed up with awful years. I dont recall the exact record but the 2002 and 2003 seasons were not stellar ones in Met history (but at least they paid Mo Vaughn a lot of money). Even if we go back to the run in the 1980s, when those players got old and moved on, what was the course of action? Spend money. Remember Coleman and Bonilla and the best team money can buy? Where did they end up. Seems history repeats itself in Mets lore.
To expect that type of situation to be turned around in a year or two is crazy. Spending money is more of the same. People are whining for the Mets to sign FAs…do you really think Cody Ross for 3 years is going to turn the Mets into a contender? What happens when he is afflicted by the Fenway effect like Bay and sucks? Competitive organizations build through young players who either help or are traded for help. Even the Yankees follow this pattern. Look at the following list.
Williams, Posada, Jeter, Rivera, Pettite-all home grown
Abreau, Swisher, Justice, Granderson, Tino Martinez, ARod, Clemons, Paul O’Neill, and David Cone-a;; acquired via trade mostly for young talent like Roberto Kelly and Soriano (and no names who never were much like Sterling Hitchcock).
The point is the Yankees had the talent to deal, something they got away from the last 5 or 6 years. Right now the Mets have next to nothing.
Has Alderson been right on many of the moves he made? Nope. The difference is I understand it doesnt matter. Carrasco. Who cares? He is gone. So is everyone else who was involved except for Wheeler and Francisco. Cashen did the same thing early on until he was able to develop a core to build around.
The bottom line is when an organization is this bad, it is a 4 or 5 year process to turn things around. Shortcuts have not proven to work. And before people start saying “well I guess you want to continue losing”…the answer is no….that is what the Mets did for the last two decades. It is time for a different course of action.
Yes, we are a fickle fanbase, for sure.
Jeff Wilpon = Rosemary’s Baby
I read where the market for Michael Bourn is getting “thin” and he might sign a one year deal. This would be perfect for the Mets at 10-12 million and when money frees up via a trade or salary going away the Mets could negotiate a longer term deal but we would have him for the 2013 season. The Mets have some sort of hangup with RA. I saw this with the Braves and when they would sour on a player like LaRoche they were gone. For RA I would say move on, the Mets really don’t want you anymore.
A big mistake if they don’t sign Dickey, he’s the strength and ace of the staff that can be leaned upon . The fan base deserves to have someone like Dickey.
A big void in the rotation will have to be replaced, which we will never recover from.
They will have find to 2 quality starters to give us 7+ innings and lets say 15 wins per season.
If he is traded our pitching staff will suffer even before the season starts.
Depends upon what they get back. If they do get a major league, RH power bat who can play the OF while providing protection in the order, then it is worth it. The Mets have nobody who fills that role anywhere close to the majors and few chips to trade. At this point, Davis, Niese, Harvey, Wheeler, and maybe Flores are the only ones with any trade value and I am not sure which of them, other than Niese, could be moved and fill that need.
Sanchez just signed a 5 year 80 mill contract. He is not as god as Grienke yet his numbers are comparable. I find this quite interesting as it shows the line between 7/147 and 5/80. Concerning Dickey I grow weary of the conversation. He is awesome other teams and our own don’t seem willing to pay for his services our management sux yadda yadda yadda.
All of the numbers substantiate Dickey getting a two year extension with a big salary increase after the 2013 season but a new contract should not be given based on past performance only.
A new contract should represent a reasonable idea of performance during that time. Depending on what you believe about his age and the longevity of the knuckleball pitchers is the realization that Dickey will unlikely have a better season then in 2012 whereas Greinke being younger is more likely to get better unless signing the huge contract becomes an issue living up to for him.
Once again, a team that has financial issues and has been burnt by big contracts is going to be prudent in it’s decisions about big commitments especially when there is age or injury issues involved. I would hope that more of the rabid fans out there understand this instead of just screaming to pay Dickey whatever he asks for.
I think this contract issue with him warrants.a lot of thought as to a way to satisfy him without going overboard. If he were to pitch effectively this year and for two years more, the Mets would certainly offer him another contract for 2016 and more.
Does ANYONE know if we re-sign Dickey to an extension if the Mets CAN even trade him right away? I know the rule is for newly signed FA that they can’t be traded but does it still apply for extensions? While some have said yes, others have said no and then others have even said yes you may trade him but the players union might file a grievance and then others have even said that it would even further detract from the Mets name in the FA market in the future.
So before we all talk about how they should sign him and then trade him, is it even possible or logical?
Can they? I think so. Would they? No way. It would look classless on the part of the club.
See that’s just it. I can’t find anything to show it can or can’t be done because it’s just not done. Has anyone got an example where a team did that?
there’s no way. Look at how much heat Miami got. That was 1 year after contracts. If say the Mets signed Dickey without a no-trade, paraded him out… put a jersey on him said they look forward to the next 3 years then a week later trade him. They might as well not go to the winter meetings ever again because the only way they are competing is through the june draft. no player would ever sign with them.
the union would probably crush them too
Unless it’s an agreement with the player? But then like I said it would basically be dodging the old sign and trade no-no rules.
But we have this from today:
Buster Olney
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@Buster_ESPN
A GM says given current trade market, if NYM gave Dickey exactly what he wanted–2-for-$26m extension–it would increase his trade value.
there’s just no way. I’m sorry. Basically Olney is speculating that the Mets would be willing to go back on a deal they make with Dickey. That is some shoddy business.
A johan situation is different. That could happen – but that is the other team doing the contract, not the Mets.
I tend to agree UNLESS like I said the Mets are upfront with Dickey, he approves and the other team does as well. But then like I said MLB or the players union both might have a fit.
Hey, the reply button is broken?
Reply Usually breaks when posts get deleted….
Read above…They can only file a grievance if they signed some other guy who is not under contract to them and then traded him….
Dickey would not be a new contract it would simply be an extention of the old one and he will have served the time required to allow them to trade him the second after he signs the extention.
Ya, extending Dickey just to trade him would feel too close to the Marlins was of doing things.
Or the NBA.
There is no rule about signing and trading that has any teeth…
The ones that HAVE teeth are for guys that are not already under contract and/or on someone else’s roster and that does not apply to Dickey since he is undercontract for another yearand already here….
Also, I assumed a NTC as well but some reporter yesterday tweeted that if Dickey is signed by the Mets the deal will NOT include a NTC.
You know what I am sick of?
This bogus idea that the Mets front office doesn’t respect RA Dickey. It is a total sham.
On January 31st, 2011 RA Dickey was signed to a 2 year deal after just 1 year of success in the big leagues. He was making $600,000 prior to that and was heading to arbitration. Arbitration would have looked at Dickey’s entire career leading up through his 2010 campaign.
So that means a 35 year old pitcher was going to arbitration with a 33-37 record and a career ERA of 4.70. You can spin the numbers however you want, but there is absolutely no way, NONE that he would have gotten anywhere near 6.5million through 2012.
The Mets GAVE him 3 years of security when he had ONE YEAR of “success.” That is the facts. You can’t deny them because that is what happened.
Nobody knew in 2010 that RA Dickey would win the cy young in 2012. You realize he had EIGHT more strikeouts in 2010+2011 than he did in 2012?
Stop acting like the Mets owe him anything or didn’t take a chance on the guy. He was given guaranteed money that 2 years ago he wouldn’t have seen.
Stop blaming the Mets or other teams for making a smart contract offer. It’s the same in NFL – people act like if the team underpays because a player outperforms then the team owes said player something. BS. If Dickey posts a 5 ERA in 2012, is he giving the Mets any money back? Absolutely not.
the fact is, RA Dickey got 3 years of guaranteed money after pitching in 27 games with an unknown repertoire. Anybody who says the Mets disrespect him is full of it.
“the fact is, RA Dickey got 3 years of guaranteed money after pitching in 27 games with an unknown repertoire. Anybody who says the Mets disrespect him is full of it.:”
I agree and Dickey is the one who signed the contract. Deal with it. IF he wants the 2/26 added on and the Mets aren’t willing to do it right now then go out, pitch as well as possible this year and you will get your chance regardless. I know it stinks for him but the Mets hold all the cards right now and should.
Exactly. If you want more guaranteed money then go out and get it on the open market if you don’t like what the Mets offer. The gamble is Dickey’s because if he pitches to a 3.50 ERA or higher, he’ll lose probably half the money the Mets are offering. If he signs with them and pitches to a 3.50+ ERA I guarantee you he ain’t giving money back to the Mets
Yup, that’s the reason I usually laugh at the term “hometown discount” because most of those deals are on top of extensions and while they may be below market rate they also include the security against injury or poor performance.
If Dickey leads the league in K’s, Innings pitched, Wins, Whip but has a 3.50 ERA, I highly doubt anyone is going to stop at 1 year 10 mil
are you Sandy Alderson’s nephew ?
are you inheriting money from the wilpons ?
why do u play bikram yoga with the truth here ?
So Alderson is comfortable gambling againwith Dickey like he did with Reyes who went out and had a career year and his price skyrocketed to the point the Mets couldnt even make a competitive offer….
Yeah thats a smart move make Dickey earn his pay in his last year….although he has outplayed his original deal…his price will onl go UP on the open market…This makes no sense for the Mets to keep him and let him play out that deal to earn an extension.
But hey Jessep you defend any and everything that is Alderson regardless
1 year deal with a 1 year OPTION is NOT a 2 year GUARENTEED deal.
If Dickey got hurt in year 1, the team does not have to pick him up in year 2. these are irrefutable facts. You are lying for some odd reason.
Dickey in 2010 gave the Mets 11.2 mil worth of production for less than 1 million dollars.
after this the mets gave RA Dickey a ONE year contract for 2.75 mil
with a ONE year option for 4.25 mil
than in 2011, gave the Mets 11.2 mil worth of production for 2.75 mil
in 2012, Dickey gave the Mets 20.8 mil worth of production for 4.25 mil
So far Dickey has given the Mets 43 million worth of production and has been paid 7.6 mil
anything else you wanna know ?
Actually since you are being so arrogant here are the facts:
Dickey was given a two year GUARANTEED contract in January 2011 with a third year (2013) as an option.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/1/29/1963027/mets-sign-r-a-dickey-to-two-year-extension
Anything else you would like to know?
ahhh my bad, the option year was the 3rd year, not the 2nd
has anything changed with the numbers i gave you?
43 mil worth of production so far for less than 8 mil in salary?
Hehehehe
Looks like Taskmaster couldnt defend that argument so he brought up something trivial with intentions to lessen your argument lol….
Its safe to say he has failed lol
What that he presented a stupid argument?
Did Dickey exceed his contract? Yes. Was it a risk for the Mets to give it to him after one year? Yes. A gamble that paid off for them. Do the Mets have to make up for that by over paying him now? No
That is why it is a gamble…if Dickey sucked then he would not have given the Mets the money back.
As for the numbers just bogus fangraphs stuff. Oh this guys had a $40M year. What a crock of garbage.
But then again, there is a sucker born everyday.
I just dont see Dickey getting traded when he signs the extension. If the negotiations get to the point where they come to an agreement, I think it happen because the Mets cant get what they want on the trade market. The bottom line is, based upon what the reports are, few teams value Dickey greatly. This might be correct or incorrect only time will tell. If the Mets cant get a decent package for him, sign him and take the chances. Three years isnt going to kill them. But I would exhaust all trade routes first. The Mets have too many holes and too few assets to deal; they need to maximize each one.
I agree Satish and your one of the few younger guys around here who respects performance for what it is regardless of age….
A good player is a good player, a performer performs no matter what age he might be at the time he performed.
I hear a lot of people talking about PATIENCE around here….
I wonder if they really DO want to be patient or are just using it as a marketing tool to try and give Sandy a little more time to make Moneyball work here….
But if your TRULY patient and willing to wait. then doesn’t it make a LOT more sense to sign Dickey and WAIT for a guy like Santana to have a good first half where you can trade him for kids or let him walk for Picks at the end of the year?
Isn’t that pretty much the same options we are touting as a reason to keep waiting on Dickey?
The only difference between the two is the price of the qualifying offer that you need to make.
We keep talking about Dickey being the only guy we can trade…
Trade NOW maybe but is patience a thing that is concerned with the NOW?
Why not use this patience and WAIT to see if Duda starts hitting and can be traded to some team who needs a HR hitting 1B?
Why not wait until Flores’ numbers skyrocket in that launchpad in Vegas and advance him on BA’s list to have that prospect not named Wheeler to trade for a known performer?
Why not wait until Mejia or Familia are ready to fill those Pen holes we have instead of trading away a Dickey to get what could be another Torres or a yet another 3B (like Flores) who has to play out of position to be of any use to us?
I see all these people telling us to be patient and they are all the same people who insist Dickey must be traded for anything that someone thinks is PROSPECT regardless of if we actually need that guy or not.
If your patient you will let the draft solve our problems and keep the guys like Dickey who will carry you through until those kids are ready.
Patience dictates you sign Dickey to be your ace after Santana is gone and be that until some of those promising kids we have on our top 20 Prospect list are ready to get a rotation shot.
Problem is these people who preach patient aren’t really being patient they are just stalling hoping Sandy pulls a rabbit out his a$$!
And they hope a Dickey trade will get them that rabbit!
I say go ask alice…cause anyone who thinks trading Dickey is going to solve the problems of this team has to be on drugs and is sure not being patient they are being impulsive and letting good go just for the sake of being able to stall a little longer on the moneyball attempt!