11
2012
Alderson Admits No Wholesale Changes Coming, Dickey Feels Insulted
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News coming in from the Mets Holiday Party where R.A. Dickey and Sandy Alderson have much to say…
Dickey Feels Insulted
“I feel like we are asking for less than what is fair.”
Dickey also said the two sides are still far apart. He admits it’s hard not to feel insulted by the pace, distance of negotiations.
Dickey feels he’s extended an “olive branch” to the Mets. Says it’s been hard not to take things personally.
He also said he would be upset if Mets ask him to play out last year at $5 million with no extension.
No Wholesale Changes
Sandy Alderson acknowledges he does expect the 2013 Opening Day roster to look similar to the end of 2012.
I guess it’s okay to say I told you so… I never believed there would be significant changes for a second.
This is a disheartening development to say the least.
These are not rumors…
These are actual direct quotes from Dickey and Alderson themselves…
I take no pleasure in reporting this… This is sad…
Original Post 9:00 AM
According to Andy Martino of the Daily News, the Mets have increased their contract extension offer to R.A. Dickey to two-years for $20 million dollars.
Dickey has been asking for a two-year extension for approximately $26 million, totaling $31 million over three years. The Mets now are closer to a three-year deal worth $25 million total.
This would put Dickey and the Mets only $5 million apart.
On the trade front, the Mets have not gotten and better offers for Dickey as many believed would happen after Zack Greinke signed and James Shields came off the table. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports adds that a deal to send Dickey to the Rangers is unlikely.
“While we’re waiting for a better trade offer, we’re also still exploring bringing R.A. back,” Alderson said.
I’ve already mentioned many times the different reasons why teams are reluctant to trade for Dickey, so I wont keep repeating myself. But I will say that the front office has clearly misread the market for their 38-year old ace.
Mike Kerwick of Newsday says, “it’s doubtful another team would hand the Mets a prospect as glittery as Myers.”
My gut tells me that given the small disparity in dollars, a deal could get done before the end of the week. Maybe then, the front office can start focusing on all the other things that still need to be addressed on this roster, but have gone widely ignored.
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It is embarrassing that we are offering RA Dickey a contract that will pay him in 3 years what Zach Greinke is getting in 1
RA over the past 3 years >>> Zach over the past 3 years
This.
If he was younger, didn’t throw a knuckle ball and had a resume longer than a couple years, he would be in a much stronger position.
so i guess getting rid of K-Rod and his 17.5 mil option really made no difference
One has nothing to do with the other. You know that.
Whatever it takes to get this f***ing thing done and overwith is fine with me. I dont even care anymore. This team is killing me.
He’ll get $24 million for a two-year extension, if they don’t trade him….
As I said yesterday, it has nothing to do with the money. The only reason the Mets haven’t came together and split the two sides for around 3/29-30 total is they don’t want to sign him yet. They don’t have to sign him yet. They hold all the cards and are doing the right thing by waiting to see if a team panics and trades an impact player. I know it’s hard but why can’t we as fans be patient for once?
i tip my hat for you sir
No argument from me on this. And I’m willing to bet Dickey and his agent understand this as well, giving all the comments TRDM latest post has up referencing those.
Sure he does, that is why he said he did at the beginning of the process. What makes Dickey nervous as hell though is that he has no control over where he is traded which is most likely why he is pushing so hard to stay with the Mets. Also, while it hasn’t been mentioned, I still think a NTC will be part of the deal if signed.
Then tell Dickey, Alderson and Dickey’s agent to shut up. Just respond with we are making progress…
Agree. Alderson was patient (more than many fans) when dealing Beltran and got a very good return in Wheeler!
I agree. Imagine where we would be if it wasn’t for Wheeler?!?! We probably would have lost 100 games in 2012 if it wasn’t for Wheeler.
Agreed, it’s easy to forget that everyone was saying there was no way in hell the Mets could get Wheeler for Beltran and being patient helped. But I say in this case there is even less risk in waiting then there was then.
Apples and Oranges…..
Patience worked then because of a DEADLINE…
There is no deadline at play here….
In fact any team who wants him have until the July Trade deadline to get him and are more likely to wait until then because they will at least know if the season is worth mortgaging prospects for by then.
I said it before and I will say it again….
Dickey is worth what he is worth to them and no amount of signs/trades is going to change a teams evaluation and trade value on Dickey.
Only thing that could possibly increase his value right now is extending him to a reasonable or cheap contract that would negate the issue of losing comp picks because they know he can’t go anywhere after the trade.
But this notion that Patience is going to get you more for Dickey is just a fools errand.
Metsie, most Mets fans as you know are saps. Lets not pretend that Sabean was desperate and that was the number one reason the team went down. If Beltran was a Padre, Royal, Twin or Brewer, they all would have gotten Wheeler for Beltran. But we need to feed the myth that Alderson is a genius, when in fact he is one losing season away from setting the modern MLB record for most losing seasons in a row by a GM. As they say in Liverpool, genius my arse..
He’s no genius at all and has more screw-ups here than successes. We can debate why that is or the situations. However, I don’t see the need to try and dampen one of the things he clearly got right.
Did he get it right? Or was it more like he just didn’t get it wrong?
As Maniac stated if Beltran was on another team they get more than just Wheeler out of it….
Imagine Oakland making a one for one deal like that….Never happens!
Truth is they should have gotten at least another kid out of it….Especially since they didn’t pay a penny of Beltran’s salary.
I go even further Maniac….
If Beltran was on any of those other teams they would have gotten even MORE than just Wheeler….
Maybe all it would have been was one Minor B or C Level prospect but there would have been more than just Wheeler….
Sandy misplayed his hand badly there and truth was his Patience lost to his Panic and desire to avoid having to negotiate with Beltran where he was already worried about the ramifications of turning down Reyes and not negotiating which was already on his agenda.
If he had held out another day or two he might have gotten that extra player for Beltran….
To be fair…Beltran did turn down at least one trade ( to cleveland ), not sure what players/prospects we were set to get from them
Beltran was also being picky as to where he went, so the mets didnt have the leverage they had with Wright ( which we wasted ) and Dickey ( still in the air )
I’m more upset over them trading K-Rod and using that money on Jeff Wilpon’s next yact payment
It was 3 prospects from Cleveland and Kipnis wasn’t one of them. Gary Cohen said it was 3 lower level prospects but no names were given but he did say it wasn’t for any of their top prospects Chisenhall, Santana or Kipnis. Other names mentioned were Domonic Brown and Mike Minor.
And I believe the Pirates were in and Beltran nixed that idea.
“In fact any team who wants him have until the July Trade deadline to get him and are more likely to wait until then because they will at least know if the season is worth mortgaging prospects for by then.”
You are forgetting something you preach, ticket sales.
Also with the new collective bargaining agreement the acquiring team will only get compensation if they trade for him before the season starts. That is a big consideration.
Other teams don’t seem to have the attendance issues we do….
So it’s not really a factor in thier thinking because it’s not a problem to them.
If they believe they are close enough to sell off high prospects to get a 38 Year old then they already have whatever it is they need to draw and are only looking to get more from Playoff appearances which they can get from dickey after the July deadline just as well.
When they are clearer on if they are even good enough to make the playoffs if only they had one more pitcher….
OK well if you think that other teams sales would not increase if they added a current CY Young winner then yeah that point is moot. I would disagree.
I didn’t say it wouldn’t help Ticket Sales, Just that any team who really feels they need a guy like Dickey and are willing to give up the kids we want already has a pretty good attendance rate making the extra attendance from April – July not as important to them to entice them to give up more kids.
Especially since they don’t know what will happen and one injury to a key player could kill,the whole season even if they HAD Dickey!
The teams who will give up prospects for Dickey are ALREADY GOOD, ALREADY DRAW…
It’s a real non factor in what they will give up now…
Would you consider Olt a top prospect? Because already know that offer is on the table, the Mets just want more. So the idea that they can’t get a top prospect for him isn’t true. There is also a rumor that there is another standing offer on the table as well that includes a top prospect. The Mets, though rightfully so, aren’t going to trade Dickey for just one player yet.
Sure he is a Prospect….And highly desirale to someone who needs a 3B….
We just signed one through 2020!
And do we really need to give away a Cy Young Pitcher to get yet another IF we need to convert to an OF?
Don’t we have enough of those already?
Thats why Olt by himself is probably not enough…
He’s not realy an OF just another good bat that doesn’t really playe the position we need te bat for!
That’s not the point. Is Olt regarded as a top prospect?
Top 3B prospect….do we need one of those more than a Cy Young Pitcher?
It’s VERY relevant….
Just having kids is pointless unless the solve something on the MLB side…
This kid does not!
One trade in three years due to his patience!!!. And you laud him for that. This team will deteriorate until he his the one gone.
its still 2012 and the mets dont look to cut crap , selling high or keep him and then they will pay him . Lets fpcus on the Giants and Knicks for now
maybe the nets if you want . The Jets ??? sorry the jets are a joke , you can not even compare the jets and the mets . i like to compare the mets with the 1999 some knicks
exactly. And it does not mean Sandy “misread the market” rather, he would rather (rightly) extend RA than trade him for “market”, with market being what a number of teams throw out as a first, no-brainer offer.
and remember, every year for most of these guys, there is a perceived “market value” for them, and it seems that one team ends up blowing that price away. So since for a rare time the Mets are in the drivers seat, they should be trolling the bait looking for that one guy to panic and cough up the goods.
it might be different if the Mets were in some kind of corner where they basically had to trade him for the best offer they can get. But, they are not there, since the Mets are not really comparing their best trade offer to the next best one, rather to the extension.
” And it does not mean Sandy “misread the market” rather, he would rather (rightly) extend RA than trade him for “market”, with market being what a number of teams throw out as a first, no-brainer offer.”
Bingo, if they are not blown away then they will sign him to a deal that they are perfectly comfortable with. If you sign or trade him right away then you will have caved in a situation where time is on your side.
No one is going to panic about not getting a 38 Year old Knuckleballer…..NO ONE!
Then they will re-sign him for a contract no worse than market value or below.
Even the number Dickey has asked for does that…
They should just stop nickle and diming him and extend him and THEN I bet the price goes up!
It also extends the deadline for trading him because the whole Comp Pick thing goes away and they know if they trade him and find they were wrong about thier playoff chances they can turn around and get back a prospect or two to replace the ones they gave away at the July Trade Deadline.
But teams have locked in one what they are willing to give for Dickey and no signings or trades of other players is going to make anyone adjust that evaluation…
Sign Dickey now and when they do you get even more than you get now!
The only BAD scenario here is not signing Dickey and letting him walk for Picks next season….
Cause those picks could be 2nd rounders the way they were with Reyes and those picks are hardly ever the top IMPACT guys he is holding out for now.
teams sure as heck “panic” about going into the season short of top of the rotation SP, if they think they are serious post season contendors, and Dickey right now is the best known to be on the market.
and they will not be signing him to an extension then turning around and trading him. Most likely the deal will contain a NTC to go with team friendly terms, but this also is not something that is done. really bad form, and would burn the team (and PO the uniion). If they sign him, they are keeping him at minimum to the trade deadline, and most likely all season, even without a NTC.
I agree that it’s a fallacy to think that teams will for sure not up their offer when other options come off the board.
You forget one thing….
What they offer is based on what they (the Mets) can get for Dickey someplace else, Not how many FA options are left on the board!
Only way to get anyone who has Dickey penciled in as a fall back plan to up thier offer is to find someone willing to give up MORE for Dickey that would kill their ability to fall back….
And you could get that at the deadline just as easily as you could get that now!
Any team that desperate is not interested in making a deal of kids for ONE 38 Year old player!
If they are desperate for ONE top of the rotation starter then they probably suck and would prefer to keep the kids to rebuild instead….
Only a team who thinks they are ONE PITCHER AWAY from the playoffs will give you a top prospect…And if they are only ONE pitcher away then they have 4 outher guys who are close enough or qualified to start the season off as thier TOP ROTATION arm!
Your just sufferring from wishful thinking here…
If you had a Gio Gonzales you might get some bites…But not on a 38 Year old Knuckleballer who isn’t even signed past October!
Ultimately they may re-sign him and that might be the best move but for now what is hurt by waiting. Also, I still think that Dickey will request a NTC in the deal before he signs an extension and the new deal will most likely rip up the 2013 deal and include a NTC.
Whats hurting to wait?
How about all those reasonably priced OFs that are out there we COULD be negotiating and snapping up if we were not spending all our time trying to trade Dickey or pry another 5-10 Mil from his asking price?
Unfortunately Metsie when the off-season began they said they would wait until the end for the OF market. Nothing to do with Dickey.
Thats because they were hoping to get it via trads of Wright and Dickey and they intended to fill in with the same cheap crap they have been filling with the last two years….
Instead of going after the <2Mil per Baxter's and Hairstons of the world they should just take the money they saved on Wright and spend 6-8 Mil on a decent OFer instead.
Why aren't they doing that?
Preoccupation with trying to pry OF for Dickey and it's Dickey that is taking up the majority of thier time and attention…
Get it over with he is a steal even at the price he is asking for!
Then move on and start looking at OF while you still HAVE a decent choice of Mid Level OFs and if things change on thew Dickey trade front you at least have decent depth on the bench with that guy you got.
So then why extend him? Let him play out his contract and move on if no one wants him.
5 Million dollars? So David Wright and Johan Santana would give up a few vacation days… and the deal is done!
Give credit where credit is due. Lets not forget that Sandy Alderson brought us our franchise’s first no-hitter and he also brought us our first 20 game winner in 25 years. Oh wait… Nevermind.
Actually, Sandy does get credit for having Dickey now on a favorable deal. It was an excellent move to sign him for multiple years at the terms he did.
Yes but do you think Omar Minaya who has loved Dickey since both were with the Rangers, wouldn’t have kept Dickey as well after being the only GM in baseball to give him the opportunity to excel?
Any GM at the time would have resigned Dickey, Omar was fired before he could do it…
will never know since he got canned, but most likely. what we also will never know is what the deal would have looked like.
We sure do know what it would look like…THE SAME!
There was no haggling or negotiations involved…
Dickey handed them a sweetheart deal and they took it and ran…
He was unproven and knew it and didn’t ask for the moon….
Now he is proven and he is also on a MISSION to make the Knuckleball become a LEGITIMATE PITCH with the proper respect it is due!
Go see Knuckleballer!
Saw the movie Knuckleball a couple of weeks ago. Really enjoyed it.
Actually if you look at the reports at that time, the prevailing wisdom was that the Mets overpaid for Dickey and that Alderson paid him too much. There were questions if he could repeat in 2011 what he did in 2010.
There was no sweetheart deal on Dickey’s part. Stop letting your dislike for Alderson cloud the facts.
Ahh Mr “Gets everything Backwards” has arrived…..
Tell me which Pitcher with 11 Wins and a 2.84 ERA signed an FA contract that paid him less than 5 Mil?
Overpaid…You really who do a service to your reputaion if you read and stopped posting this SAND PEOPLE/MONEYBALL crap you keep spewing around here….
If omar loved dickey so much how come dickey was the first cut in the 2010 spring training?
Because he hadn’t pitched that one hitter in the Minors that got him noticed yet…..
Watch Knuckleball….
Tells the whole story on him.
Pretty good math by you
Well this is all you need to know:
Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN
Sandsy Alderson acknowledges he does expect the 2013 Opening Day roster to look similar to the end of 2012.
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Let’s pack it in boys no more use speculating. See ya in 2014.
Bwah ha ha ha hah! LMAO I hope we get to see him making that quote on camera. It may be time for me to make a Fan Shot!
To reiterate what I said last night in another article, I’m beginning to suspect that Sandy Alderson is asking for a lot more back for Dickey than what is let on, hence trying to get a haul for Scott Hairston at the trade deadline. Instead, he should be keeping it simple. You have Texas, who’s rich in pitching depth. Like the package I proposed, the Mets should be focusing on a return for a RH bat for the OF and big pieces for the bullpen that would make it strong & steady for the first time in years. The name of the game is pitching, no?
Well then you know Dickey is fightng for much more than his own financial well being….
He is fihting to legitimize a Pitch that has been looked down on and dissed since it was first used.
Thats a very telling thing when you realize he is STILL giving you a cheap deal just one that is what any LEGITIMATE pitcher would get…
i think RA is a intelligent person. He cannot feel insulted. I mean its no secret that only the BIG STARS and the TOP ROOKIES are handled like eggs. Its a business and he knows it . Calm down, shut your mouth RA, and prepare to pitch good for your new team or for the mets again, cause thats what you get paid for . Its not that this business is new, you could fill a book every year with the players storys about left town after practice and play for another team the next night. thats the mlb
What happened with A.J. Pierzynski?
Why in the world would A. J. come?
Because due to his past he is regarded as one of the most hated men in baseball and there isn’t really any team even rumored to have offered him anything yet?
So then we should say, hey because no one wants you and no one wants us lets get together and burn the place down?
Ugh, I guess?
He’s been one of the most hated men in baseball for the past 10 years…and yet every year a team finds it in their best interests to have him on their team.
Do you want 25 nice guys or a team that wins ?
Geez, I thought the story of the ’86 Mets was “The Bad Guys Won.”
You want A.J. to be nice?! I thought maybe we’d want him b/c he banged 27HRs last year at 35, and b/c he’s a very good defensive catcher. Other than those, no reasons…
So Sandy, you lied. Plain and simple.
Doesn’t change my plans any….. still not buying a ticket.
Then so what? Go away and wait for the bandwagon to get crowded.
You can pay for garbage if you like. Keeps the 1 percent richer…
Its fans like you that Fred banks on. You are willing to support this festering cess-pool of suck because you’re a prideful “DIE HARD” fan. Whatever.
No, but I’m not going to say stupid things like “I don’t buy tickets anyway”.
Fuch you Alderson.
Good productive comment. Really glad I got to read that.
TROLL MUCH?
But wait. Did Dickey actually say he “Feels Insulted” or did he simply say, right or wrong,
he was “….asking for less than what is fair.”
One could argue he’s asking for MORE than what is fair, but that’s for the market to decide.
To preface his actual quote with “Feels Insulted” is completely ingenuous.
I agree, that’s not what the agent said in public.
“I’m not comfortable talking to dollars, but I don’t mind saying we’re doing everything on our end to be fair. I don’t think we’re being unfair, and I think Sandy is trying to do the same as well.” –
NJ did a great job of compiling all the comments made by RA’s agent.
http://realdirtymets.com/2012/12/11/r-a-dickeys-agent-bo-mckinnis-has-been-rather-public-about-being-patient-understanding-regarding-the-mets-and-his-client/comment-page-1/#comment-179451
Yeah, I didn’t read ‘insult’ in any of those quotes either.
I dont get your question?
There’s a difference, I think, between a man being “insulted” by the reported $ offers and a man who believes, in good faith, he’s worth more than the Mets are offering given market conditions. When you imply that he’s “insulted”, you also imply a lot of other negativity that probably doesn’t exist.
No, he didn’t say that. People are interpreting and presenting it that way, because it fits the story line.
If he did say that, don’t you think the quote would have been presented in the original post? Usually, when someone makes a statement like that, we at least get see the tweet it appeared in. When it is a line that needs a little nudge in the right direction to fit the narrative, it doesn’t appear. Wouldn’t want people to see what was actually said and draw their own conclusions.
I’m done with Alderson. We wasted three offseasons only to be worse than we were three years ago. We don’t even have an outfield anymore. How is that possible?
Hi D. Meeker,
Why is it that we can have no outfield this season? Sandy traded away two all-stars, that’s why.
Hate to say this because nobody wants to hear it, but Valdespin is having a nice winter ball season. Sign Cody Ross and with Valdy, Duda, Kirk and Baxter we have a productive outfield.
Well hopefully he comes out with a little trade value if he can get out of his own way.
I’d like nothing better than to see Valdespin turn the corner and be able to hit ML pitching at a constant pace. That and he grows up a little and leaves that hot temper behind.
So it’s one of two things: We STILL have no money and our GMs hands are tied or our GM is such a miser, he won’t part with money that his bosses are giving him to spend.
Joe I transcribed what Cerrone was questioning. It’s at minute 26 of the interview:
Francessa: “Considering the look of your OF and C situation, can the Met fan expect to see wholesale changes in those areas or will they have to except subtle change”.
Alderson: “In the outfield and behind the plate”
Francessa: “Yea”
Alderson: “Much more likely there will be significant change in those areas verses subtle changes. Simply because you have to look at the record and see what kind of production we have gotten from those positions”.
Francessa “Zero”
Alderson: “Recognize that there is not a lot of capacity for progress there. We know what we got and it is not championship caliber”.
Alderson said it will likely come from trades opposed to FA and that a big FA signing was unlikely.
Oh excellent Salty, nice job. Cerrone emailed me for a written quote and I was trying to tell him it was on air. I’m glad you found it and transcribed it.
Question though. Was it you guys or another outlet that said that Sandy actually said “There will be wholesale changes” or was it just implied from the interview because he said ““Much more likely there will be significant change”?
Speaking just for myself, and as I just wrote to Cerrone, the second I heard that exchange I was already in my dashboard writing a draft and have used the term “wholesale changes” religiously to refer to that interview and the promise that Alderson made and the changes he implied were coming. Whenever I mentioned “wholesale changes” it had to do exactly with the entire message that was being delivered in that interview. A message mind you, that had several of my own writers going gaga with excitement.
We had an email exchange that lasted throughout the whole night and I was the only one saying the Mets were not in a position to make significant changes. You couldnt make wholesale changes unless two of Ike Davis, Matt Harvey, Jon Niese or Zack Wheeler were being traded. Those were my exact words to my writers.
Getting significant players requires trading significant players. And as everyone on MMO knows, my feeling always was that Dickey was not that great of a trade chip. Anyway you spin it he’s 38, a rental, and relies on a gimmick pitch. His best value is to the Mets and not what they can get for him.
Oh boy…’gimmick pitch’? Et tu, Brute?
I’m not knocking Dickey, simply using the terminology all scouts and GM’s use to describe a knuckleball.
Here’s an example.
It’s draft day and all things being equal statistically, you have the choice of selecting the kid with the 95-98 mph fastball or the 65 mph knuckleballer. Who gets selected 100 times out of 100 times?
That’s how GM’s view Dickey. They’d rather take a lesser traditional pitcher like Greinke or Shields over Dickey.
Dickey’s greatest value is only to the Mets.
Ah..I see. Thought that was your thoughts.
Makes no never mind to me what type of pitch RA throws to produce what he did last season. The fact that it’s the knuckleball, and quite possibly on his way to being one of the most successful ever to throw that in the MLs, makes him even more unique and fun to watch.
Ahhhhh I see you’re still defending this liar of a GM til the kingdom falls lmao….
We are the ANTI-DODGERS lol…..they spend money recklessly and the Mets try to skimp and save money recklessly…..Well at least the Dodgers are trying to win
But they aren’t. Maybe they can get participation badges.
I actually always believed that Alderson promised “wholesale changes” based on what I have read on MMO. Now that I see the actual transcript and changed in my recent article where I alluded to wholesale changes and changed it to significant changes.
In fact, I found an article where Terry Collins says he doesn’t think there will be wholesale changes coming this winter…http://m.mlb.com/nym/news/article/2012092939226712/
Either way, I think the fanbase was hoping to see some creativity in trades to improve the team this winter.
Agree.
and without a doubt: ‘Either way, I think the fanbase was hoping to see some creativity in trades to improve the team this winter.’
Signing him to a two year extension plus his option means he is basically a 3/$30M or $10M a year. At the pace which salaries are inflating, we will seen this as a bargain in a year or two even if he is only a #3 pitcher at that point.
REPOSTED from thread “Left at Alter:” I told you so:
Dickey should just say “Lets reach an agreement” or “trade me already if you really are dangling me out there.” All he needs is Dickey a class act a “Renasissance Man” say “I had it here.” “Trade me.” Then his market drops when that word comes out.
The process is fine.
Obviously, 4 years at 40 million or 2 years at 25 million + the 5 million $ option is a bargain for signing Dickey. That´s basically between Jeremy Guthrie and Hiroki Kuroda money for a pitcher who – for the past 3 years – has outpitched them by quite a bit.
Sure, he´s unique.
But if Dickey were a 31-year-old SP with the same results throwing his fastball in the 91 to 93 mph range, he´d be looking at a 5-years, 90 milllion $ type contract easily – if not more.
Kyle Lohse is a good example. He´s 34 and reportedly looking for a 4-year, 60 million $ type contract which he probably gets from someone. Would anyone seriously bet on Lohse for the next 3-4 years vs. Dickey ???
The Mets know this. All it takes for them is to make Dickey that sort of offer and he´s likely to accept. However, right now, with teams losing out on Greinke & Shields, i.e. the other legit frontline SP on the market this winter – with all due respect to Lohse, Sanchez and Dempster who are more like # 3 starters coming off a pretty good season and will get more annually than Dickey is even asking for anyway – Dickey is a great bargain for 2013 purposes. So, either someone offers a legit package for RA. Or the Mets eventually sign him to a moderate extension, absolutely worth the risk.
Well said.
Now that the cat is out of the bag, when do we start considering a new GM? A GM that really wants to bring a championship to Flushing?
People are free to spend their money as they wish, but I see no reason to purchase a Met ticket next year unless the team fills the holes reasonably between now and opening day.
David Wright reduced the amount he was owed in 2013 as part of his new deal, Jason Bay deferred money as part of his buyout and Mets officials swear the payroll can inch slightly higher in 2013. Still, Alderson acknowledged, the Mets may not use the available capital — in part because the prices on the market may not be worth it.
“Again, it’s hard for me to predict what exactly will happen,” Alderson said. “But we’re not going to spend the money in mid-December just because we have it. We may spend it in January. We may spend it at some other time. We may not spend it. But the important thing is we have the flexibility to make a baseball decision about that rather than be constrained by sort of an artificial financial limitation.”
2013 Payroll = $85 million!!!
I just got a sick feeling in my stomach reading that. Would have been better off not knowing it.
Now R.A knows how George Bailey (another all around nice guy) must have felt when he had to deal with old Mr. Potter (another curmudgeony misanthrope) after Uncle Billy misplaced the deposit money in “It’s a Wonderful Life”.
Potter (SA) : “Whaddya mean you won 20 games! Whaddya mean you won the Cy Young!
You ought to be grateful we let you pitch here at all! Trying to steal the Wilpons
money! Besides your 38 years old! Your arm might fall off any moment or you
might get hemorrhoids! Why I ought to call another GM and have you shipped
out bag and baggage! Hello? Get me the Red Sox!”.
This ownership SUCKS!
Very disappointing how management is treating there Ace pitcher.
You might as well as trade him, by doing so all you-are doing is creating one area of need and creating a big hole in your rotation.They have a winning pitcher on there staff and there going to let walk away. I guess you don’t deserve him, the fan base will be very upset and frustrated because we do deserve him a CY WINNER.
I think I’ll root for the Yankees.