All Sandy had to do was stick with what he was saying about 2013/14 being a learning year instead of not punting away the season. He talked about that on the Francisa interview in late September, stating the 2013 and 2014 would not at all be a waste and that it will be exciting to see the kids as they develop. And he did say one never knows what could happen, indeed citing Oakland.

There is nothing wrong in saying one was going to see improvement with the infusion of more youth than to feed us all the other double-talk about not punting away 2013.

Sure anything can happen but you made and justified moves made based on the definitive assumption we were not going to win anything!

Now that we got RID of a Cy Young Pitcher we will?
Thats patently rediculous!

It is nice to see other fans who do see the forest for the trees!

I find it amazing that so many people here do not understand that Sandy A is not going to say anything that admits the team is not quite ready to SERIOUSLY compete for a playoff spot. These same people refuse to accept the fact that ownership is not yet able to SERIOUSLY compete in the free agent market either….

Too many people here in fantasy land that they own or run this team!

I believe these trades were at trade deadline and while both veteran pitchers helped their new teams the prospects lasted many years with their new teams.

I totally agree baseball is a results business. If DW is on a non-contending team in his remaining pime years his extension is foolish. He could have hauled in a huge amount of good prospects. I realize prospects are just that.

Of course, to be really valuable, Murph needs to hit better. .300 BA, .350 OB, .450 SLG should be the goal here.

As for Ruben Tejada, while he’s an average defensive SS, he’s clearly better than Jose Reyes used to be there defensively in recent years – while obviously not being anywhere near the hitter Reyes used to be.

The Infield of Davis – Murphy – Tejada – Wright is and should be fine.
The problem remains the OF which COMBINED for a – 0.1 WAR in 2012.
And replacing Torres, Bay and Hairston with Cowgill alone obviously won’t do anything about the problemeven if Nieuwenhuis and Duda improve some…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RueNY7cyslI

As alluded to, there was no baseball rational for the Mets to be put into such a position as they are now. Yes, we are now re-building but not because the team was falling apart after 2010 and we had key players on the way down. We had a good club that needed some extra parts, that’s all. Further player investment in that team had less risks than rebuilding it. There were also other venues to take than depleting a farm system of it’s top prospects.

After Omar was fired but before it became apparent that Sandy’s goal was to cut the payroll, did anyone expect the club to be in the shape it was after 2011, let alone 2012 and going into this upcoming season?

Sandy was brought here for his near 35 year legal and executive level corporate experience in and out of baseball and because someone with that background was required (actually forced onto them) it meant the franchise was in deep, deep trouble on the business end and that drastic measures were inevitable. Had there been an option for those measures not to have included the roster, I do not know. Metsie has pointed out how more investment could have led to more revenue – we know that is a position Sandy didn’t take, both here in New York and with Oakland when it came to shipping off the then Babe Ruth of his time (steroids aside).

But as alluded to, rebuilding has to come more from a combination of draft selections, trades and free agent signings. It is very rare for a team to hit pay dirt with the approach Sandy is taking since there are at least two holes in the outfield, almost a complete bullpen to contend with and (if we discount Santana) and two fifths of a starting rotation to fill as well.

No you don’t do you?

Because of all those HOMEGROWNS you keep insisting we should have BEFORE we start keeping our best players that are already here….

Ike Davis
Reuben Tejada
Johnathan Niese
Dillon Gee
Bobby Parnell
Matt Harvey
Capt Kirk
Valdespin…..

The last two all due to the fact you traded away all the GOOD players and were forced to play them before they were actually ready!

Thats why the Minors sucked the last two years because we have played firesale with all out preforming MLB talent (in the name of 2015 and beyond) and had to sap them of anyone that showed any promise before they were ready to move to the MLB!

Thats what you fine and you say SMART philosophy has done to the organization!

Now you will have to rush Wheeler as well because you traded away your best pitcher and the only options available to get are all mediocre at best!

But you liked everything that did that because you have given up on this team for 4 or 5 years….

Maybe by then you can afford to go see them play so they won’t have to buy off the crap pile.

But no you prefer the same spend on garbage players who give you nothing. Jason Bay is the poster child for that mindset.

Is it really the Wilpons?
Sandy says he HAS money but has no plans to spend it…
if he HAS MONEY then the Wilpons are not limiting him are they?

I have always said the Mets need a minimum of 130 M payroll with players contributing that is NO Santana, Bay and Thole types of last year. I agree with you. Please write to the Wilpons and tell them:

“25 Mil would not be crippling and it could get you that Power Hitting RH Bat to play the OF that would lead to wins (provided you had a Cy Young type Pitcher) and get more fans into the stands to pay for it at the same time!”

I did not set the restriction, SA did not set the restriction, the owners are the ones who did.

In 4 years when D’Arnaud has had a good year they will trade him and start Plawlecki then….

Willie goes round in Circles!