14
2012
Signing Wright Is Proof Positive That Alderson Is Doing The Will Of The Fans
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Thoughts from Joe D.
One of my predictions after the season ended was that the Mets would make signing David Wright a top priority and actually mean it unlike what they said about Jose Reyes. From day one, the way they have handled Wright has been completely different than Reyes. The most obvious sign was not one, but two visits to Wright’s home in Virginia. But I’ve always maintained that Sandy Alderson has the ear of the fans on this one. That is also clear to see. In a vacuum, Alderson never gives a thought to giving a 30 year old Wright in excess of $125 million, but he knows he has to give the people what they want and that’s exactly what he’ll do and what I said he’d do.
In the very early going I also said Wright would get about $140 million including his 2013 option and I’ve seen and heard nothing to dissuade me from that. This deal was going to blow the Beltran deal out of the water, I said.
It’s difficult to follow up with some people in the know on this because both sides agreed not to negotiate through the press and both camps have stuck to their guns on that,
I can see a deal being reached before the Thanksgiving Holiday weekend. Things are moving fast now, and when they reach this point of offer/counter offer it means they both want this done quickly and painlessly.
I do believe Wright will get that seventh year guaranteed and that he starts the 2013 season with eight years of guaranteed money at age 30. There was never any doubt that Jose Reyes would not get “Crawford money”, but from day one I knew Wright would get more than “Zimmerman money”. The day the Nationals gave Ryan Zimmerman that deal, I knew it was the starting point for any David Wright extension. And so it has…
Signing Wright, as I’ve said dozens of times, goes completely against Alderson’s philosophy. It breaks every rule in his book and other GM’s will laugh at him the same way he laughed at them for Zimmerman’s extension and the deal for Carl Crawford. The Mets fans are driving this deal, and you can bet your bottom dollar on that.
Wright has been a great Met. Aside from not winning a title during his tenure he has racked up some impressive numbers and leads the franchise in over a dozen offensive categories. He has been a great ambassador and a model citizen for this team as well. He’s done all that has ever been asked from him. Sometime in the next two weeks he will cash in on all of that to a haul that will supersede Reyes’ deal by more than $30-40 million dollars. You can take that to the bank as well.
As for the Wilpons being broke, rather than being unwilling to spend on a team that has no core and is years away from a championship, this Wright deal will hopeful dispel all the unsubstantiated misinformation that Fred’s detractors keep spewing and throwing out there.
Owners that are broke don’t suddenly announce they are opening a brand new affiliate, donate a quarter of a million dollars to the Red Cross, and they most certainly don’t hand out $150 million dollar deals. Instead they do what you see in Miami. That’s what broke owners do.
Original Post 11/13 11:45 PM
Rest assured Mets fans – there is some news to take note of that involves the Mets players. According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Mets have made an offer on a contract extension to David Wright. Wright’s camp, Sam and Seth Levinson, has also been reported to have made a counter offer.
Sources: #Mets made offer to Wright. Wright’s side made counter-offer. Details of proposals not known.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 14, 2012
If this is true, the Mets would be acting relatively quickly after their release of Jason Bay. The details of the contract will no doubt cause controversy no matter what they are due to the mixed feelings from the Mets fan base. At the very least, it is intriguing to see the Mets making a supposed effort to retain one of their star players.
The way some things have been reported in the media lately have caused some fans to take everything they hear with a grain of salt, so I do not expect any different following this new information. To refresh your memory, allow me to quote Matthew Cerrone: “Based on what I’m hearing, Wright’s camp is thinking seven years and at least $130 million guaranteed, while the Mets are thinking more like six years and around $110 million.”
For those of you who are wondering, Rosenthal also wrote this in his post about the Wright extension: “The club’s negotiations with Dickey, to this point, are not as advanced as those with Wright, sources said.”
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Oh boy here we go! Tomorrow is going to be a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Is this a Moneyball signing? Is this a signing for the longterm future of the team? Or when the team is ready to compete will Wright be the ball and chain holding us back? If Wright gets this deal Alderson proves he’s all talk and just a fraud. There’s only one reason Wright at 30 gets an 8 year deal but Reyes at 28 doesn’t get a 6 year offer and it has nothing to do with production.
you said it !
You’re right…..it has nothing to do with production. But it has nothing to do with where you’re going either!
There’s only one reason Wright at 30 gets an 8 year deal but Reyes at 28 doesn’t get a 6 year offer and it has nothing to do with production”
THIS^^^^
What is mainly has to do with is the Madoff issue being settled and the Mets finances being better off and more certain than they were a year ago. What is also has to do with is being another year knocked off the remaining Bay and Santana deals. What is also has to do with is Wright being the better player. What it also has to do with is Wright being more durable
It will be interesting to see how much they embrace Jose Reyes north of the border. Then again, they had a love affair with Joe Carter, so anything’s possible.
What does Jose have to do with this??? Theirs a whole post dedicated to Jose and that trade.
Funny how Reyes is always brought up
“then again they loved Joe Carter”
Do you have any idea what you just said with this statement…
I thank you for your refreshing honesty….
One thing that has not been discussed too much which will probably be more important to David than the money is the direction of the team.
Lets be honest. The Mets can offer him A-rod money but if he is looking at another 6-7 years of finishing last or next to last, the money doesnt matter.
REALLY??? that’s what you’re going with??? BULLSH*T!!! then why the need for a counter offer then?? why are there reports of them being $20 million apart? You wright lovers make me sick, the guy is just another greedy baseball player who is all about the money, but at the time said exactly what his precious fan base wanted to hear “It’s not about the money”, yet, don’t you know, IT IS ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!! Stop defending him, it makes you and his legion of fans look at bit pathetic right now
And Reyes didn’t run after the money? Your double standards are funny and sad, all at the same time.
all players and agents do
just some get painted as greedy and others dont
HAHAHAH – see – you claim, falsely of course, that others said this about Reyes and how dare they, but it’s ok to say it about Wright.
Omg I knew this would happen where are they gonna get money to build the pieces around him we still need an out field and bull pen, we can’t replace his production but we have a chance to with wilmer, trading wright can give us pieces and financial flexibility. I have no faith in mets front office smh.
Race race race….someone always has to bring race into it. Pathetic. Idiotic. Wrong.
Yes its sad how the ol’ race card always rears its ugly head.
Once again, this proves to me and i hope to even the biggest david wright fan out there how much of a bullshitter he simply is. A few weeks ago it was all about winning, as soon as a more than fair, hell overexceeding expectation offer is presented for him, It’s turned down and counter offer from his camp is send back.. Yet, not one single article about how greedy he is JUST LIKE THEY DID with certain other players, as soon as the guy said it was all about winning and yada yada all his legion of fans started saying how different this guy is, and he’s all about winning (Even though we haven’t won shyt with him either), how he is already set financially and don’t need the money… BULLCRAP!!! they’re all the same, they’re all about the money, but since it’s the golden boy all attention is being put everywhere, like in toronto for example.. It’s a real shame that we have to use the race card for players and certain situations, but the reality is, Mets fans, the majority hold certain kind of love for certain players that kinda makes you wonder what’s really going on.. Jose reyes last year NEVER even got an offer from the mets and till this day the man is crucified by jessep and others who are known _____t in this site, yet i will be here waiting for them to actually post some sort of article pegging this guy as the rest of the players, just another greedy player trying to get paid despite saying how much he doesn’t care about money…. Yeah, un huh, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!! he knows damn well he’s not getting paid that kinda dough anywhere else, the only reason why 6/110 it’s been thrown out there is because the mets won’t sign anyone else during the offseason, i hope to god sandy alderson realizes this guy ain’t worth all that money just like the rest of us and trade this guy so he can go choke somewhere else.. This is a mistake that’ll tied up the franchise for years to come, the guy’s best years are 5 years ago behind him when better players where leading the front, not sure why we need to stroll out $20 million per for one player who’s best line will be 300 20 90 and all it will do is secure 4th place for us.. TRADE HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex….you nailed it! I am seeing the same thing right now. The money they’re talking is an outrage for his production and will no doubt financially hamper the progress of the team moving forward. If he signs here for this kind of money then he truly is no different than the rest. What happened to his # 1 priority of playing with a winning organization? What happened to him having the FO show him their plan and how they were to bring the franchise back to contention? What happened to him giving the organization a hometown discount to free up $$$ that could be spent to improve the massive holes the team still has? Looks like its turning out to be all bullshit.
What is more alarming than the money; which is over the slot for his production is the years when he clearly will be over the hill. He will be another Met albatross contract ; but to those Wright fans he will be a lifetime Met. Sandy preaching the gospel afor Moneyball and against second generation contracts will be, yes a fraud.
It’s always about the money, though at this stage it’s probably just the agent doing his job to get David the best possible deal he can.
jmsPa, wrong… The agent’s job is to please the client… Don’t forget who work for who… The agents tell wright, this is what they offer, would you like this offer or would you like us to go back and (LIKE EVERY OTHER GREEDY BASEBALL PLAYER) ask for more money because it’s not enough!?!?Then wright, the all american hero said go get more… GREEDYNESS!!!!!!!!!
Hi Alex – How are ya this morning?
I just wanted to inform you a little bit. You can choose to ignore this, but I’m speaking to you as somebody who knows people who have done this work.
“The agents tell wright, this is what they offer, would you like this offer or would you like us to go back and (LIKE EVERY OTHER GREEDY BASEBALL PLAYER) ask for more money because it’s not enough!?!?”
This isn’t true. The agent’s job is to get the player the best deal he possibly can. His job is to sell his client to the MLB teams. Agents like Scott Boras prepare mountains of paperwork to tell the story of their player through their eyes. The agents themselves have people that work for them that define what they believe the player is worth.
In all likelihood, David Wright doesn’t call his agent and say “make sure I get 125/6yrs.” Nay. What really happens is his agent sits him down and explains to him that through their research and comparables, they feel Wright is worth X and they will do whatever they can to get that figure. The player has an agent for a reason.
This is why the “never made an offer” story is slightly BS re: Reyes. There’s absolutely no way his agent didn’t give the Mets a figure. If he never did, then he’s terrible at his job. Did the Mets respond to that with an offer? Possibly not. But that could also mean they knew they were priced out from jump street.
The agent presents what he feels the player is looking for, and the team responds. Then it’s the agents job to go back to the player and advise him on the next move. “They offered X I think we can do better.” “They offered X I think it’s the best we can get based on the circumstances.”
David Wright doesn’t sit in a room with Sandy Alderson and say “hey I want 6 yrs 120m.” He sits in a room with his agent and says
“I want to be a Met, do what you can to make it happen based on your valuation of my skills and if we can’t get it done then we’ll go to free agency.”
Right, it’s no different than buying a house. You have your realtor there, the owner of the house has theirs there. The owner publishes a price knowing he will not get the published price, the buyer tells his agent I don’t want to pay over …. the agent says ok lets offer this amount… knowing the owner might not accept it but the counter will most likely be what the buyer set as his limit.
It’s called negotiations. If the owner counters the buyers proposal does that make him greedy as well?
Exactly. There’s no doubt the agent works for the player, but the player is not setting up any of the financials…. he’s there to take advice from the agent and make decisions based on what is brought to him.
David Wright can say “I’m worth $200m.” all he wants. If the agent feels that is unreasonable based on his team’s work, he’s going to advise Wright to lower expectations…. and if Wright says screw you I want 200m then the agent will try to get him 200m and then come back with an offer that brings Wright back down to reality.
Vernon Wells didn’t say “I want this massive deal.” His agent and their team went to Wells and said “we think we can get you this…” and they went to work. I know this as fact.
A player no doubt has an opinion but they hire their agents for a reason. Their agents job is first and foremost to put a $ valuation on their talents and go get that money.
So if Reyes’s agent tells Sandy what he wants….Sandy says that’s out of his league…and never makes a counter-offer…
how is Reyes’s story even slightly BS ?
JesseP, again, who works for who?? Just answer me that question and i promise you i will respond with a real life story i have about agents and a baseball player i knew…
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THIS
I agree 100%
If Sandy caves and gives him that much then he is a fraud because this signing would go against everything he said he would do when he got the job. Wright is not worth that much and he is over 30yrs old and we are no where next to competing for anything he should be moved to procure more pieces.
These dopes said we are rebuilding YET I see NO rebuilding effort where are the friggin pieces to rebuild with? Wheeler???
We have no position prospects he should be traded to at the very LEAST bring in 2 positional prospects that are major league ready. They got rid of Reyes without an offer or anything of value but a draft pick….
Start making some damn trades to bring in young talent SANDY…..Not old washed up garbage like Torres, Shoppach…How do you trade a young pitching arm for a couple months of Shoppach when you have no plans to re-sign him??? That isnt rebuiding
I feel like Jerome from WFAN screaming for the Yankees to get rid of Raul Mondesi….GET WRIGHT OUTTA HERE!!! He is our most valuable piece make it count and trade him
Why are people acting like that we know what the numbers are or if the deal will even be done?
I had a feeling you were gonna come out the woods and put up that claim… again, COUNTER OFFER means an offer was made, he didn’t like it and told sandy “This is what i want!!”… Guess just like pretty much every other baseball player, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!
What was the initial offer? What was the counter offer?
Are they quibbling over dollars, years, or other terms (maybe Wright wants his own office)? Maybe Wright wants the same years and dollars, but wants more of the money back loaded. Maybe he wants a private suite for all the road trips. Maybe he wants to officially be named Captain.
There is nothing to say until we see an actual deal. Everything else is just emotion fueled speculation.
Regardless of what more he wants….According to what you just wrote he is just another greedy ball player…So everyone can stop praising him as this saint that just wants to play for his childhood team and money doesnt matter just winning!!!
If he Wright REALLY and TRULY just cared about winning he wouldnt negotiate a contract now…He’d tell Sandy he has 1 more year on his contract and he will play the year out and see the improvements made and if none is made he will walk via free agency to a team that is interested in WINNING!!! But he wont
According to what I just wrote? You mean we have no idea what they are stuck on?
No, all of your assumptions…The only reason you get stuck in negotiations is when one party asks for MORE!!!
So? We don’t know what the details are. What if it is a guarantee the Mets will lock down players like Tejada and Harvey long term? What if it is opt out clauses if the team doesn’t finish with x amount of wins certain years?
What if it is to get the Mets to match any fundraising he does for charities?
Wright wants more than what santana got in his deal…
Mets are at 6/110 which is WAY more than what anyone would expect…
this year he’ll make $15 million, i’m sure he wanna be around $125 million to surpass santana as highest paid met ever, greedy ballplayer just like the rest of them…
“Wright wants more than what santana got in his deal”
Is that so Mr Levinson?
Do you read the newspaper??? Check out daily news once in a while and get back to me… All kinds of mets sources are reporting that.. Or since those reports put a black stain on the golden boy they no longer matter to you!?
Yes, all kinds of sources.
That somehow missed Bay’s release.
And Beltran for Wheeler.
And settling with Picard.
And pretty much any other story lately.
You really are stupid donal… i am not sure why i even waste my time with you. You only go with whatever fit your stupid agenda. Including saying this.
So, I am wrong? The rumor mill churned out speculation about the settlement, Bay’s release, and was talking about Beltran for Wheeler?
Yes, rumors were being thrown out when wheeler for beltran… mets also wanted brown and belt according to sources.. again, while reports are just that, more often than not they’re at least around the ball park in terms of what teams talk about etc… while noone saw that coming about reyes to the jays, other deals are spot on too…
No, the “sources” said the Mets wanted Wheeler but the Giants were willing to part with him.
Nobody actually tipped off that the deal was happening.
wait, what??? The mets wanted wheeler and the giants were willing to part ways? Is there a typo there i am confused?
Yes, that was supposed to be the Giants were not willing to part with him.
The “reports” are that the Mets and Wright have purposely kept negotiations very quiet. All the rumors about what Wright is looking for and what the Mets are offering are just that…rumors. We don’t know anything yet…they might be true…the might not be…nothing has been confirmed and thus far most everything has been worded like “it is believed” Wright is looking for something around ___. And along with man of those rumors writers even acknowledged that those estimates were based on guesses from outside sources and what they think Wright should get…not necessarily all inside info on what is actually being talked about.
And 99% of the time one side doesn’t take the first offer presented. It’s called “negotiations” for a reason
This is true…..but the numbers being leaked out right now are rediculous. And you know they’re not going downward as the negotiations progress……way too much money already!
Yes, numbers from “sources”.
Shall I list all the stories the “sources” have missed on the last few years?
Funny how sources are no longer credible here but when it came to re-signing a certain Shortstop last year these everyone including yourself gave the same sources the benefit of the doubt.
And as far as sources go Ken Rosenthal information is credible way more often than not
Oh, did I? What did I say?
Because I am pretty sure I kept referring to how everyone’s “sources” missed on Cliff Lee twice in 2 years.
What you are ignoring is the double-standard in which David Wright’s negotiations are held vs. Jose Reyes
Jose Reyes = greedy
David Wright = _____________
no one is attaching anything negative with David Wright negotiating for a higher contract, that was not the case with Jose Reyes.
When you can come to grips with the fact that there is a very ugly double-standard with both the way the media covers its players and the way the fans perceive them, then we can make progress with that discussion.
Wait, you think there is a double standard? I never knew you felt that way. Wow. I am shocked. You should come on here and make every post you make about that double standard, that way we could all be more informed by your super perception abilities.
Reminds me of the police captain from Casablanca. “There is gambling in this establishment? I am shocked! SHOCKED I SAY!”
“Here are your winnings, sir”
When you can come to grips with the fact that there is a very ugly double-standard with both the way the media covers its players and the way the fans perceive them, then we can make progress with that discussion.
Man, you aren’t reading. I already did, thanks to you I am now aware that baseball is only about double standards and that is all we should ever discuss. You don’t have to go on anymore, you have completely educated all of us and you may rest at ease.
Excellent, now that you are aware that a double-standard does exist in which essentially white players are casted in a much more positive light than black and latinos, you can understand why folks get a little upset when they see it play out here, or in the paper, or on ESPN or in a convo with an avg fan at the game.
When Omar Minaya signs Julio Franco to a 1 year contract, its favoritism
When Omar Minaya hired Manny Acta and Sandy Alomar to be bench coaches, its favoritism
When Omar Minaya signed Alex Cora to a 2 year 2 mil deal, its favoritism
No one ever accused Sandy of that, nor will they ever. Sandy can hire all his ex-employees or players that used to play for him, no matter what race they are.
Sandy gets treated fairly.
Put a black or latin guy in charge, and he cant sign a bunch of latin or black players the way a white guy can.
But if he did, he better run the table, win the next 4-5 WS to justify it…
In the eyes of many white folks, the only racism that exists is reverse racism.
this is why WFAN lines were flooded with white folks crying to have their team back when Minaya signed Pedro and Beltran ( aka the 2 best free-agents that year )
this is why Met fans were complaining about Minaya’s english speaking skills. The same guy who got hired by ESPN to be an analyst in 2011 doesnt speak English good enough for the met fans
This is why when Jose Reyes argues with his manager about coming out of the game for his own good, he is “throwing a tantrum” ( like KIDS do )
articles.nydailynews.com/2008-06-17/sports/17900070_1_jose-reyes-casey-kotchman-jerry-manuel
and when David Wright does it, he is a fiery leader, who loves the game and is publicly voicing his displeasure
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7936078/david-wright-publically-voicing-displeasure-terry-collins-mets-need
Like I said, until you come to grips with the fact that in terms of being the dominant group in the sport, old america feels their game is slipping away from them…
the same way boxing did…the face of the sport is mayweather…
the same way basketball did…the face of the sport is still Jordan
the same way football did….I see commercials of Ray Lewis damn near every 30 seconds
baseball has already gone international, now all we need is the news reporters to be as international so we dont get these BS articles filled with their view
(which affects the fans view)
One step at a time
Dang, it’s past 12:00 and I am trying to shake the preachers hand and you just keep talking. I have already tithed and now I am just trying to get back to watch the Mets play on TV. Keep on and you will scare all your new converts off. What more do you want?
JDD: I think your issue here is that you paint “everybody” with the same brush. No matter where you go in this country, there is going to be ignorance. The people you describe calling WFAN mad that hispanic players were being signed are dingbats. They represent a vocal minority.
My issue with you is you paint everybody who maybe didn’t like Julio Franco (didn’t know there were people like that) as not liking him because of where he was born.
The negative los mets stuff was and still is ridiculous. There was a written piece on this site that absolutely trashed the concept and was laced with ignorance and you know who stood up to it with the loudest voice? Me. Yet, you constantly paint me with the same brush that you describe above.
This year’s Presidential election whether your repub/dem/whatever showed that this country is moving forward from some of it’s worst traits. They nominated a hindu woman, a lesbian woman, and an african american 2nd term president with a down economy.
In 4 years, the same people who stated ridiculous things about Obama and his ethnicity will be the same people who will have to give serious thought to a Cuban-American Presidential candidate.
Ignorance will always be a part of this country but it’s being weeded out. It doesn’t belong anywhere, let alone a baseball conversation and the people who use it in any form are part of the problem, not the solution. That includes you.
Wait, is Hillary a Hindu or a lesbian? I am confused.
Right…the folks who called WFAN for 6 years and complained with the radio jockeys WHO ALSO ACCUSED OMAR of FAVORITISM were the vocal minority…
lmao…
7 years later the double-standards that still exist here are due to the vocal minority….
I think its far too ugly for you to come to grips with the fact that the “vocal minority” is not so small…and unlike the Obama haters….dont come out and call Reyes or Omar names…they just establish double-standards, based on race, without calling it race.
You can say Reyes threw a tantrum and David was a fiery leader for doing the same exact thing and skip bringing race into it…all the while race was the dominant factor
You can say Sandy is more personable when he makes really bad jokes about the players and their value….and say Omar is unprofessional when he does the same thing…
I actually have more respect for the ones that show their teeth
“In 4 years, the same people who stated ridiculous things about Obama and his ethnicity will be the same people who will have to give serious thought to a Cuban-American Presidential candidate. ”
Not to turn this into politics, but I’m picking Condaleeza Rice as a dark horse. She’s smart, experienced in foreign policy and appeals to 2 groups the GOP will be zeroing in on.
I am only responsible for what I say, not what mouth breathers calling WFAN say.
Much like you are responsible for your lies about me.
Don’t worry, I know better than to expect an apology from you and your buddies.
But hey, you can always hide behind the race card. Easy escape from actual reasonable discussion.
Nope, no one said you are responsible for every person’s opinion.
Do you agree that there is a gross double-standard in how David Wright and Jose Reyes have been perceived by the press and the fans?
Yes, yes, yes, I am now fully aware. You have educated all of us on the social issues that are needed on every MLB blog. Now I must go out and preach the gospel as well.
I’m sure some people are being hypocrites. You and alex for example.
But both situations have significant differences.
Lol…when has race ever NOT been a non issue in anything in America…smh…it is built into the fabric and to push it aside as if it is not a credible argument is ignorant.
Should read:
“when has race ever NOT been a issue in anything in America”
Really? Race is an issue in America? BB we all know that race is an issue and will continue to be because some people are ignorant on both sides of every ledger. However, this is a sports blog and people come there to talk sports, not politics and social issues. At least that is what I thought anyway. Once you bring up race and these “double standards” in every discussion it becomes a no win situation for everyone involved.
What difference does it matter if it is a sports blog or a political blog race is still a factor. In the NFL a few years ago a black QB was a no no he had to change positions no matter how successful he was. Even to this day instead of comparing QB’s to one another they compare Black QB’s to other black QB’s. Cam Newton and RG3 arent similar Qb’s a more fair comparison would be Cam to Ben Rothlesburger(or however you spell it).
But to stay on topic of baseball even the MLB itself know race is an issue in their sport. Which is why Willie Randolph was paraded around city to city interviewing for managerial jobs to teams who had no interest in signing him, but they had to interview at least 1 minority smh…EVERY TEAM IN THE MLB HAS 1 RETIRED #for 1 player who never played for any of them but one the dodgers. And that player is Jackie Robinson…Jackie wasnt the best player to play the game but Jackies number is retired because of RACE.
Former reds owner Marge Schott once said,”I’d rather have a trained monkey working for me than a n****r.”and referred to certain nationality of players as “money-grubbing Jews” and “million-dollar n****rs.” This was in the 90′s
Los Mets??? Remember that….to say his argument is baseless and ignore them or even to make sarcastic jokes about it is disrespectful, insensitive & childish on your part. And you’re the same man who goes out of his way to call Alex childish for naming a group of friends who’ve been talking sports for how many years on different sites The core.
Im not saying all we should talk about is racism in sports but you cannot ignore it when it rears its ugly head for god sake Caucasian men on this site bring it up constantly so you cant call it a race card lol…what card are they pulling??lol
JUST DAMAYA….
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Double standard by the media?? Where was all this negativity on Reyes? The media all spoke very favorably about Reyes…they didn’t say he was being “greedy”. They all were pretty much reporting Reyes wouldn’t be back b/c the Mets didn’t have money…not that Reyes wouldn’t be back b/c Reyes is just “greedy”
Whatever, you’re in the David wright we love you team, there’s no sense in having an argument with you over you’re all american hero, you’ll defend the guy to the end no matter what… go back to obsess about how the marlins made you proud by having a fire sale without realizing the mets have had a mini extended fire sale as well without getting nothing but one good prospect in return…
Yes, because I have never said that 7 years is too long for any player over 25.
Ok, so enlighten me and us, and tell us what’s your take on wright then?? Is he another greedy ballplayer for counter offering what the mets offered after he had said it’s not about the money????
Much like I don’t blame Reyes for getting the most he could, I wouldn’t blame Wright. They should all get as much as they can when they can. I just roll my eyes at all the silly drama and posturing.
But, 7 years for a guy approaching 30 is a bad deal for the team.
Should be interesting. I am assuming they did a little research on whom they could have gotten in trade, what the impact would be of that trade and how this deal could affect finances in the future. One thing I am curious about is a couple of weeks ago there was a report that the Mets were going to use some of their marketing money to re-sign Wright as that would do more than any million dollar billboard or commercial. I wonder if that is true and if signed how much of that money will come from money not necessarily slotted for traditional payroll?
I would also assume that unless the two sides are far apart then this deal gets done with something in the middle. Perhaps Wright it’s as mentioned above and Wright wants 7 years and the Mets want 6 and most likely they end up with a team option with a decently high buyout. More importantly is will it be back-loaded and will they restructure the 2013 deal to allow more flexibility this off-season?
As for those whining and complaining, it’s a little early and there will be plenty of time for that. Also for those championing the fact that Wright’s camp ask for more, if his agent didn’t ask for more then he should be fired. If the agent’s job wasn’t to get the best deal possible for their client then why the hell would you need an agent.
Finally for those saying that Wright said he wanted a winner, so did Dickey and Dickey’s most recent comments included saying that the front office had convinced him there was a deliberate plan that is being carried out that can bring the team back to competitive very soon. Again, that could be posturing as well. I know on blogs we like to jump to conclusions but it’s just too early this off-season to know what is going on with contradicting reports coming out daily.
Once again, DAVID WRIGHT is just like the rest of the baseball players, a greedy guy who wants as much money to feed not only his family but his ego, and if reports are true and he wants to make the most money as a met then it proves that he’s even more greedy and bullshitter than everyone else if so.. It’s always about the money, first of all, he’s not worth it and second of all HE’S GREEDY and all about the money, otherwise there’d be no counter offer from his camp on a more than enough good deal for him
LOL, Alex if there was no counter offer from his group then his agent should be fired and most likely investigated by the players union. Of course there was gonna be a counter. The counter wouldn’t make Wright greedy. Walking away because they couldn’t meet in the middle of those two numbers could show greed. Saying it this way is just cherry picking or not understanding how negotiations work.
The Mets are going to offer the team friendly deal almost knowing that Wright won’t accept it, then Wright’s agent will counter with the player friendly deal also knowing the Mets won’t accept it then they will meet in the middle or they won’t. This is how baseball has worked since the beginning of FA.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, since it’s your golden boy you and his legion of fans are looking at every possible excuse to not make him the scapegoat.. again, REPORTS are saying how he wants to be the highest met player in terms of salary, like i said, reports are saying how the mets and him are $20 million apart, reports are saying how counter offer has been made since they weren’t happy with the offer from the mets, all of that is being discuss after david wright himself said it’s not about the money, that financially he’s set, that it’s all about winning.. Well, i guess all that talk is been thrown out the window..
Alex, I have proposed trading MY golden boy in multiple articles in the last two years so can we drop that crap and talk baseball for once instead of this constant sides crap?
Can you admit that this double-standard exists ?
I already did and now you are interfering with my new found knowledge and attempts to preach the gospel.
Because you’re defending a BS artist right now… he said well it’s about winning, yeah, i guess winning the negotiations in his contract is what he meant.. and yet here you are along with others looking for excuses as to why is been thrown out there a counter offer for him… Yeah, he’s not greedy, he’s a smart and savvy business man apperantely! You guys are killing me… everyone else is greedy, not david…
Again, because of your sides crap you never take posters for what they actually say and then lump them in with everyone. I never once faulted Reyes for taking the most money or being greedy. As a FA it’s your right to take the most money. Why should I care? I can’t help what other posters say, I am not them so stop lumping all of us together.
I try to be a rational Mets fan and look at deals from all angles. To me a 7 year deal for Wright is too much and I hope they have explored trading him and have looked at every option and do what they think is best for the future of the Mets. However, if they determine that signing him is the best move then I also understand the negotiating process. Is Wright some super hero that cares nothing about money? Of course he isn’t. Do I think that there was any chance that his agent or Wright himself would stand up and say, yup we will take the first offer? Of course not. Why even hire an agent? Again, this agenda stuff is gonna kill this place. We can’t look at one issue without the same sides crap popping up.
Alex…..can you site any player/agent in the past that has not approached the negotiating process in the same exact manner as Wright and his agent have entered this one. I think the venom that’s spewing here in these blogs with character assaults on Wright, we really should be directing at the FO and owners. I for one, would not mind seeing Wright retained and being part of this team. I just don’t think these fools should mortgage the future on a .300/20/90 player with the numbers we’re hearing……he’s not a superstar, plain and simple.
And for all who think that he should ABSOLUTLY be traded for top prospects I ask this: in terms of probablilty, what do you think, realistically, are the chances that the prospects will even turn into the player that Wright is?
Right, why is it so impossible for some to see both sides of an issue. There are huge cases that can be made for trading and retaining him. In fact there is even a case to be made for keeping him and addressing it again at the AS break and even one for keeping him all year and offering him a contract next off-season.
Do they have to be the player Wright is?
what if one of them turns into a top notch catcher? Maybe not as good as Wright, but a solid every day guy for the next 7 years or so?
What if those players don’t become perennial All Stars, but are major contributors to a perennial playoff contender long after Wright has declined?
Donal….thats fine if it weren’t this Mets team. You’re saying trade Wright for decent complimentary type players. This would be great if we had a couple of heavy hitting stars in the line-up. Trading Wright would be losing good defense at the hot corner, and a .300/20/90 bat in the line-up. And for all of those who think Wilmer Flores is just going to walk in and take over at third, get ready for a defensive liability……not that we’re not used to that.
Well, it depends. I don’t think you can really look at deals like that in a straight up “a for b” fashion.
It needs to be seen in full context. Maybe Flores, Harvey, and Ike become a trio of All Stars the way Wright Reyes and Beltran were. A deal that brings in a couple of complimentary players would be huge.
Maybe they wouldn’t get value for Wright. But, they could get guys who put them over the top.
Not sure why GMs would laugh at him. I can think of a half a dozen off the top of my head that would love the opportunity to sign Wright for a similar deal. Think you’re way off on that thought.
I really thought this was all a cover story. Act like Wright is a top priority, go through all the motions, then say you did all you could and end up trading him. Maybe not. But it’s funny that Wright will get more than Crawford or Zimmerman and I cant wait until someone brings that up to him at the press conference.
To feed his ego, METS will pay wright $125 million to make him the highest paid met ever… Or trade him
Might. Who knows?
Again, my question was about the report of the Mets using some of their marketing budget to go towards Wright’s contract and if that is true how much and is that normal for a team to do? I would imagine the same process was in line for Reyes last year and that was why they could afford to pay him a certain amount and not able to go over that amount yet they had no money for anyone else. I am sure they factor in ticket sales and marketing.
would you like to compare jose reyes to david wright in terms of how the mets marketed them?
The Wilpons are just being cheap they are not broke. BUT!!!! The one time I want them to be cheap, they are going to spend like Rockefeller and give Wright all that money. Geesh you cant win with this team!!!
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Again, IMO this counter offer proved to me, that DAVID ALLEN WRIGHT is just another bullsh*tter, a guy who is all about the money just like every other baseball player who is trying to secure himself financially… It’s not about the money but about winning my ass!!
Oh, please, Wright could have a Denver omelet for breakfast and that would prove to you he is greedy.
LOL, OK buddy, one player who got a contract for more than 3 years that didn’t counter the team’s proposal? Please site one example.
Also, just a question. If the Wright camp told the Wilpons first that he wanted 7/140 and they said no would that make them greedy? Just wondered if it worked both ways.
Alex, you should know by now. When Wright yells at his manager he’s just being fiery, when Reyes does it he has a terrible attitude problem. When Wright wants $150MM he’s giving the team a hometown discount, when Reyes wants $100MM is being a greedy MoFo. Guys like Wright and Ike are gritty. Guys like Reyes and Valdespin need to check their attitudes at the door.
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Double standard at its best… And the sad part is, how well this people use it, it actually amazes me how creative they can be for their golden boy…
IMO complaining that his agent dare make a “counteroffer” just proves that you have no idea how any kind of negotiation process works, that you will pick anything and everything to rip Wright over, and you are mostly just full of sh*t.
Oh wait we knew that already.
Bad signing if the numbers are correct. Once again, though, the emotions and prejudice come out (and I am not taking racism). To start, the front office and Alderson are making this call. All you haters just stop the crap. This is a Wilpon call at that is the end of it. Jeff even mentioned Wright as an ambassador. That tells the entire story. Wright wants his money and the Wilpons will give it to him. Alderson has no say in this whatsoever. Regardless of Uncle Bud, it is still the Wilpons money and Alderson will spend it where he is told to (when he is). Most instances are probably his call…not this one.
Second, anybody who tries to defend this contract is out of their mind. 8 years to a guy who is 30 is nuts. It will happen and will fall into the bad contract category. Show me a list of all the 8 year deals that worked out and then point to all the guys who got it at 30 or 31. The list gets thin quickly. Even Beltran wasnt a raving success and he was 26 or 27 when signed. No matter what you think of Wright the truth is he cannot escape the process of time. He will not be as productive in his mid 30s as he is today. That is what happens. The sad fact is that Wright, contrary to many beliefs, is a .300/20/90-100 guy. That is what he is. Falling off from this scale means he will be lets say .275/15/75. Do you really think that is worth in excess of $20M a year.
Finally, the Reyes contract is just as stupid as this one will be. For all you Reyes lovers out there, you need to wake up also. His skills will diminish quickly when he passes 30. That is what happens to speedsters. Sure he might be one of the rare ones who holds up but that is hard to believe since he was injury prone in his 20s. Toronto, or whomever, will be paying him $16M, $22M, and $22M at ages 31, 32, 33. That is absurd. Reyes is a very good player but that doesnt mean he will keep producing anywhere near his output. And stop with the Mets didnt even offer him a contract. Everyone knows the bidding passed what the Mets thought was realistic. And guess what? 28 others teams didnt make him an offer either.
Overall, the Mets were smart to let Reyes go at the price and they would be smart to trade Wright. If it was my call, I would hand him 5/$100M and say take it or leave it. Anything more than that is overpayment and not worth it. If he left it, I’d trade him.
Just reread. I meant to say Alderson and the FO ARENT making this call.
Well I will say that it’s very possible that Alderson wants Wright to stay and is fine with bringing him back. However, what he most likely wants is payroll flexibility so that is why I keep going back to the fact that maybe the Wilpons have promised Alderson a little more money from another source such as the marketing budget to help finance Wright’s deal?
as he gets older, I think Reyes makes the transition to having more power in his game.
Why are you saying that? Is that a double standard that speedy guys all just want to hit for power? Or are you saying that because he is now in Canada that he will get better health care or are you saying that because the Blue Jays have the special juice that he will be forced due to his race to take steroids to compete with the others?
No, the speed guy embracing being a middle of the order hitter, now hitting in 4 bandboxes in his division
He’ll be leading off for the Jays.
You are just blind to the double standard of HR hitters vs speedy guys. All the speedy guys want to hit HR because chicks dig the long ball. That is why so many of them take roids. Wake up and see the double standard. You saying that Reyes will develop into a HR hitter offends 1,000′s of speedy players across the world. Right now you just convinced 8 of them to take roids. Are you happy with your comments?
you sarcasm and humor do nothing to disguise the fact that you either:
A – Dont care
B – Remain stubbornly ignorant
C – Both
Sure, champion one group of players over another. There is a clear double standard when it comes to speedy guys and HR hitters. Just look at the payrolls and see who gets paid the most. You just don’t get it.
…and in 2012, David Wright is neither
yet the Wilpons are willing to pull from their ADVERTISING BUDGET to help pay him like one
any reason for that?
I know right, Wright isn’t one either so now based on your biases he too must feel the pressure of hitting more homeruns. Why can’t you see this double standard, dababble standaraerd, dabrgtart staangnseard.
Well, how many HR did wright hit??? Is he consider a HR threat just because he can hit 20 HR’s? Wow… To be fair, reyes hit 19 in 2006..
taskmaster…..thanks for taking control of all this absurdity on this topic this morning. Well said and I agree 100%.
in other words you agree with his opinion which is wrong on several fronts but that’s okay. Go ahead and believe that the Wilpons are overuling Sandy Alderson on this. Go right ahead, and go ahead believing that it’s not true that the Mets never made Reyes an offer and Sandy never wanted him to begin with. Go right ahead
Wait a second….It wasn’t me who said that the Mets didn’t make Reyes an offer. I always believed they never wanted him back and he didn’t fit into their plans. But guess what? As owners of the business, they can do that. You can cry double standard. You can cry racism. You can rant and rave all you want about the inequities that you believe existed in their decision. The truth is there doesn’t have to be equities in whether an employer keeps, doesn’t keep an employee. Owners of businesses don’t have to treat employee A exactly as employee B, and thats a good thing because then business owners would never be able to reward on merit and performance. And they don’t even have to publicly disclose the reasons for doing such. So you and Alex and JDD get over it already!
Next thing I’ll be reading here is that Reyes should file a complaint with the EEOC on Sterling Equities Inc.
or another article from a white journalist acknowledging the stuff we’re talking about
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/071210
Great article and I agree with it 100%. And just as the author concluded – - – the feelings of who we relate to are human nature. As he even admitted he related and worshiped his jewish ballplayers. And you’d only be lying if you said differently of yourself, whatever your ethnicity may be. So what’s your point then??? This is how fans feel and to me its only a side bar to the game itself. The game itself should be about winning only, regardless of where the players come from.
I am the furthest thing from being a politically correct individual and I would hate to think that a GM’s priority in fielding a team was to achieve one that is ethnically and racially balanced. I say thoroughly search the pacific rim, latin america as well as the usa and field the best team you could possibly field. Thats what it should be all about.
What I totally disagree with is that the Mets decision to not keep Reyes and go all out for Wright was racially motivated. I don’t believe that for one second. I am not a fan of the Wilpons and I wish as much as all of us that they would sell the team……but they are not racist. Baseball does have its problems with the hiring of blacks in managerial and front office positions, but when it comes to players, its a different animal. These owners go goo goo and ga ga over these superstars and just throw rediculous contracts at them regardless of what color they are. When you can prove to me that white players are getting paid more than their black and latino counterparts whose talent level and stats are the same, then I’ll listen to this nonsense.
Oh waaaaaahh. The Mets didnt make Reyes an offer.
People who have sense know how these things work. Just because you state it repeatedly doesnt make it correct. So I will explain it to you again. The negotiations moved to a level higher than the Mets wanted to pay. There was a $100M deal on the table. Reyes wasnt getting more than $75M from the Mets. When a deal is in hand for $100M, you dont make an offer for $80M. Reyes’ agents knew what the price was and made sure the Mets knew too.
You want to tell others they are wrong when you are factually off base. Reyes wanted to play in Miami but was going to take the most money. Loria stated that in front of the Miami Chamber of Commerce last off season. Reyes wanted $1 more from the Marlins and he was signing. So stop the pissy he wasnt offered a contract so the Mets didnt love him garbage.
your just one of those guys that needs a soapbox to spew your opinions as fact. And that’s all you are giving here is your opinion. You have no proof of NOTHING. I was just listening to WFAN this morning and how Joe & Evan were discussing how Reyes was not made an offer, like the rest of us believe. But since in your own mind you have the facts down go ahead and believe your own BS and try to spread it out here as some kind of fact, which it is not.
Really the did?
Ok tell us what level they were willing to pay then….
Show us where at anytime they stated what level that was that gave Reyes the opportunity to say OK I’ll sign that contract….
There was NO level they were willing to pay cause if there was one they would have made that offer and then said take it or leave it….
No offer was EVER made which says there was no level they were willing to pay to have him back.
They wouldn’t even offer him the SAME salary because he then went and took an offer for LESS money the first two years!
There is no double standard….just people crying out like girls trying to put race into every topic. Double standard my arse!!! 95% of ball players are greedy. From Reyes to Wright, it’s all greed. Wright is full of it. If he wanted to win, he’d take less like Chipper did, knowing the team lacked the resources to compete. Wright talked a good game, but seems to be failing in completing what he said. That’s all…not a double standard, just idiots looking to make excuses for why their lives are crappy.
This is sports, not a civil rights movement, get over yourself!
NO, we must talk race and double standards until everyone converts. MUST talk race, must talk double standards. You are not allowed to talk sports here anymore and you must look for double standards in every story. It is written, it is in the creed. I must run into a building and shout the truth from every location.
Thankfully someone just slapped me and I can now get back to your baseball point.
I think it’s too early to judge the Wright contract and if one side is greedy or stupid until the deal is done. What would it show if Wright took less money this year to help the Mets? What if the Mets offer is much lower than what was reported? Again, it’s just too early but more info will come out soon enough.
the double-standard is in folks painting Reyes as greedy and Wright as not
This has “All Time Backfire” written all over it
Honestly, it very well could but we will have to see the details first and then how that affects their overall budget. If they just re-sign Wright and then claim broke to bring any more talent in 2014 then yeah, it’s awful.
This has “All Time Backfire” written all over it”
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Alex, what 6-7 year deal isn’t incredibly risky?
No, what me and bayonne are basically stating is that we wish that the same articles that were written in here about how reyes is greedy, a bad guy etc will be written for him too… i mean, after all, that’ll show us how “objective” these writers are right???
Maybe they will be once the deal is done. Hell you guys have written fan pieces, write one.
and when the articles dont come and we say what we are saying now….you’ll still say we are delusional
The will of the fans was to sign Reyes last year. The will of the fans was to add a player at the trading deadline. IF Wright is signed to an extension it will have little to do with the will of the fans as far as I am concerned.
What a waste of a good site with this stupid, old, useless, dumb, double standard crap. Reyes is gone and into his second team after being let go from the Mets. On to Wright now and some how race is involved through a negotiation that took place two years ago? Children…that’s what you are.
All you ever do is cry and whine here. Can you ever add anything intelligible to the debate other than insults, name calling, and constant bitching? All you do is talk down to anyone who you disagree with. Stop acting like a czar or a dictator. Why register to comment if you dont bring anything to the table? You have Metsblog where you can do that.
Everyone wants to pin Sandy’s lack of spending on the Wilpons so why isn’t it logical to assume that it’s the Wilpons (not the fans) forcing Sandy to make a deal he would clearly not make under normal circumstances?
That sword has two cutting edges you know!
in regards to what JoeD added…
Broke Owners don’t also eat a 20+ mil of contract just to get a roster spot and a few mil more to spend by taking on future debt.
David Wright = The Mets answer to Allan Houston
Why is doing the will of the fans a bad thing? We’re the ones who pay for the games.
People alleging racism in the Mets choosing to sign Wright after letting Reyes go last year are just as bad as all those idiots who accused Omar of “reverse” racism b/c the Mets happened to have a large number of Latin American players on their team a few years ago
No one is saying its ALL about race
If David Wright were fat, ugly, , surly with pimples all over his face, he would be in the same category as Reyes.
Unmarketable…no matter how productive he was
However Reyes was not fat, ugly, surly with pimples all over his face
and yet he was pretty hard to market to the Long Island crowd
Put it to you like this…
If David Wright had his own music studio…appeared in music videos….had his own record label…along with his own songs….
Metsblog would be up on it
SideNote: Did you know Endy Chavez played in a band when he was a NY Met?
I met him, his wife, his dad at a jazz club in mid-town manhattan. It turned out he plays timbales
I’ve actually met a handful of Mets here in NYC
I met David Wright and Nick Evans in midtown hanging outside of DW’s crib…which was across the street from a strip club lol
I met Pedro Martinez once partying uptown,
Met Carlos Beltran a handful of times
Met Reyes and his wife at Sofritos last year ( the day after he signed )
Reyes almost smacked the sh*t out of a patron, who squeezed his wife’s butt-cheeks as she walked down the hall to their table. The things people do to try to instigate lawsuits amazes me.
Met Angel Pagan and his wife downtown, they were lost and asked me for directions ( no he was not chasing a fly ball )
I don’t think Reyes was hard too market. And I wouldn’t consider Metsblog not pumping up Reyes’ music records as evidence of anything.
Reyes was often pumped up as one of the stars of the team. Lots of Mets fans even those from Long Island named him as one of their favorite players. Even back in the Fran Healy days he’d always try to pump fans up by saying fans should come out to the games to “watch Reyes run!”
For sure there is some segment of the population out there that are idiots and don’t like Reyes for race-related reasons. But that is nowhere near as big of an issue as it’s made out to be. And Reyes was treated more than fairly by most of the fan base. If anything he got off very easy when it came to the whole “clutch” thing compared to what is said about guys like Beltran and Wright. And the NY media always spoke very favorably about Reyes. Maybe there were one or two “old school” idiots out there…and there might be those in the media with other teams who didn’t like Reyes excited little “celebrations” or whatever you want to call it…but by in large the Mets media guys – Rubin, Martino, Lennon, Coutino, etc said nothing but great things about Reyes.
Totally agree.
Not only do I totally agree…….but the only racists here on MMO are the ones talking trash and stirring this nonsense up and crying racism about the difference in the way the Mets treated Wright and Reyes.
people spend a lot of time talking about the difference between the way Reyes and Wright were portrayed throughout negotiations, what is important is the Wright is not worth the money either way. Get some prospects, put 5-10 mil back into the team for a catcher, maybe a reliever and new baseballs..
P.S. just to show there’s no racial bias, trade for a mexican catcher and a korean reliever