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2012
MMO Mailbag: What’s The Deal With Brandon Nimmo?
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Metscentric asks…
What is the deal with Brandon Nimmo? Can he hit and by hit I mean hit for average? He strikes out in droves and wasn’t even ranked in the top ten prospects of the NY Penn League by Baseball America. Jose Fernandez who was selected right after the Mets took Nimmo is one of the top three prospects in baseball and the minors’ top pitching prospect. Baseball America just ranked him #1 prospect in two different minor league levels for 2012. So far Nimmo has shown a propensity to draw walks, but he has 92 Ks in 300 at-bats. 50 players in the NYPL batted higher than he did. I don’t see anything to get excited about here and that hole in his swing is worrisome.
Sean replies…
This answer is going to involves two parts, one on what he has currently done and shown, and projection based on his brief MiLB career.
Brandon Nimmo had his first full season of MiLB ball with the Cyclones and was exploited primarily against lefties to the tune of a low batting average. For some context, he is the seven months younger than Royals prospect Bubba Starling, played at a higher level and overall showed much more promise and projection. Nimmo was second in the NYPL in walks with 46, and the person above him is four years his senior and only had five more walks. Nimmo has speed, but hasn’t fully capitalized on running routes in the OF or stealing bases, but with experience both should improve although inevitably he should wind up at a corner OF spot.
Projection wise, Nimmo had 28 of his 66 hits go for extra bases. Nimmo was fourth in the NYPL in doubles with 20, and as pitch recognition improves, those doubles become home runs. The batting average right now isn’t a concern, especially considering the sample size of 304 career AB’s. Pitchers will always get the benefit of the doubt based on velocity and domination, especially at the lower levels. Nimmo is going to be a project, but hitting 42% of your hits for extra bases shows gap-power, which is what was expected from Nimmo.
At this point, making a decision on whether he is boom or bust is way too early. With about one-fifth of the AB’s most MiLB players obtain (1500) to legitimize statistics, anything is possible. He isn’t on the Mets radar until earliest 2015.
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Nice job.
He has all the making of another sandy and depodesta bust… But as we’ve seen, with this minor leaguers you have to be patient and go year by year.. Although, would not be surprised if this kid ends up being a mike baxter type player and depodesta somehow says his draft was a success. So far he has shown no speed, no power, above avg defense, i understand mets fans starting to second guess this pick.
He may be a bust but lets not make it worse than it is. To say he has shown no power ignores how few games he has played.
If you place that over 162 game season he would be at 16 HR, 40 2B and 90 RBI. My largest concern is the batting average at this point not the power. Honestly though, with the amount of walks if he could get his BA up another .30 points he could be an on base machine.
Futher to the power point — Brooklyn is hell on lefties. It’s big and the wind from the water is steady and sometimes impenetrable. I believe Ike Davis had zero homers in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn actually had a few bats that might do better as they rise up the organizational ladder. For the same reason, on the other hand, the pitchers may regress.
Yeah, looking back Duda had 4 HR in 67 games at age 21.
So, basically what you really seem impressive with is his OBP?? not his speed or his power, but his OBP? doesn’t that maybe help the case of what we talk about all the time about the OBP phylosophy of this team? it seems to me all sabergooners care about is OBP and everything else somehow will fall in place.. yeah.. got it..
No, I am saying that many kids come in with no concept of the strike zone and that has to be taught as well. Like it or not that is a skill as well. However, as I just said the power for a 19 year old in a tough place to hit HR isn’t concerning at all. Also considering that you just basically used the sabergoon crap again yet I said I was concerned about his BA you are talking two sided again.
Did i say anything about his BA???? he has no speed and has shown no power at all. then what else do you want me to point out? how he also sucks at BA? i don’t go too much by numbers at lower level, things like power and speed are more seen by scouts because it tells you what a player will be, a power hitter, or a speedster etc. however, you cannot help but to wonder about this kid and his lack of power and speed. FU** OBP, if anything you can blame the wildness of the lower level pitchers for walking the hitters, view the stats you and others like to use both ways…if he has the great discipline you talk about, then the pitchers are very wild too right?? I mean, wasn’t zack wheeler a WALKING MACHINE while in single A?? I believe it was like 4 walks per 9 IP right?
Alex, are you not reading the other post? My point was I was not worried about the power for a 19 year old kid in a pitchers park. Again, take a look at what I said instead of jumping on the one stat you didn’t like.
Over the course of a full season he would have had 16 HR, 41 doubles and 90 RBI as a 19 year old.
This is in a place where
Ike Davis hit 0, 0, 0 HR in 239 PA as a 23 year old.
Lucas Duda hit 4 in 274 PA as a 21 year old.
Again, I am not concerned about his power. I am concerned about his BA but I think that considering his pitch recognition I think it has potential to improve and if it does then he will get on base a lot. What in the hell is wrong with that?
Why would Alex read any post that contradicts his hater posts? He will find flaws in anything. I’m convinced he isn’t happy unless he’s bitching. Right now his whipping boy is Alderson and the FO (and they may deserve it) with D.Wright a close second. Soon the names will change but his broken record act of nothing but hate will continue.
He does have speed. Sean specifically said so. The problem is, he hasn’t learned how to use it properly yet. That comes with experience and coaching.
As for power, the most HR in the NY Penn League in 2012 Peter O’Brien’s 10. Nimmo was 9th with 6 and the only guy under 20 in the top 17.
Also, as has been mentioned, Ike Davis had 0 HR in Brooklyn. MCU Park is not kind to left handed hitters.
Come on Donal, he’s not gonna listen to reason. He’s a bust.
he has showed power…half his hits went for extra bases…he hit five more homers than Ike did at the same level and did it while three years younger than Ike(…Ike had ZERO)…just because he didn’t steal any bases doesnt mean he didnt show speed…he’s actually very fast, I’ve watched him play in person, and you don’t have any clue what you’re talking about!!!!!!!!!!
The deal is the same deal it’s been since Jim Fregosi. The Mets have no idea how to evaluate talent. Their farm system, scouting, management and ownership all suck. “Five tool” players are more like one and a half. Hitters can’t hit, runners can’t run, pitchers can’t pitch. I repeat: we signed Kaz Matusi and the Yankees signed Hideki Matsui. Get it?
The problem has been less about identifying talent than (a) spending to get the best talent (the whole overslot thing) and (b) really crappy player development.
I love critics of draft picks especially ones only made a couple of years ago.
To start, most of the comparisons of players after the fact i.e. the Mets drafted so and so when they could have picked Mike Trout is misleading. The truth is that in every draft, 1/2 of the picks never even hit the metrics to be considered more than coffee drinkers in the big leagues let alone solid, successful players.
Each time I hear someone say something like the Tigers could have had The Freak or Kershaw instead of Andy Miller. True but they also could have picked Kasey Kiker, Colten Williams, or Jeremy Jeffress (all 1st round picks). The draft is a crap shoot and teams play the numbers games. If one or two players in each draft end up helping the team, that is success.
Nimmo plain and simply is a crap shoot in a crap shoot. He is a high risk, potentially high reward. Statistical odds are that he will not to amount to much. However, that is true of many of the draft choices. But there is also the chance he does turn into a solid player or an all star. Is he Billy Beane or Terry Blocker? Ike Davis type? Or a golden gem like Strawberry? We wont know for a few years.
Another point, if Nimmo bombs, yet Fulmer is a solid pitcher for the Mets, then that draft was highly successful. Can anyone say the Mets didnt have a good draft in 2001 when Aaron Heilman was selected first (one who actually made it to the bigs) when the supplemental pick the Mets had in that draft went to Wright? That was a very good draft for the Mets.
It is always a roll of the dice and Alderston and Co really rolled the dice on this one. This is a remarkable departure from the MInaya days of grabbing solid college guys like Duda who have a lower downside but mostly limited upside. We will see how this shift works for them.
I think some want it both ways, they want us to draft big risk high upside guys but also draft safe guys who perform right away. I agree, championing him right now would be as foolish as bashing him.
You are correct. People want it both ways and bash things in hindsight which is easy to do. Alderson and Co admitted at the time that it was a risky pick. They know full well there is a better than average chance that Nimmo is a bust. Ironically, looking at draft success, that is true for all picks whether teams want to admit it or not.
As for Nimmo himself, I factor the idea that he is young and most likely did not see a ton of quality LH pitching in his high school league in Wyoming. Give him a couple years and see what he does. No reason for the Mets to promote him as anything great like they did with FMart and Jeffries. Fans understand how unlikely those things are to work out.
people were bashing the Nimmo pick almost immediately…
not because he was a high school pick…
but the lack of exposure, the fact that he blew his knee out a year before, the fact that he was projected to be a supplemental pick at best..
By who? Many including BAA had him going in the middle of the round.
“Scouts were out in full force last week, however, and Nimmo was at full strength, showing off all of his tools, starting with one of the best left-handed swings in the class. Sometimes it’s those final impressions that are the most important leading up to the Draft, and with so many on hand to see Nimmo at his best, his name was rising up the charts and came in at No. 30 on the Top 50 Draft Prospects list. Teams in the middle of the first round are now being mentioned as potential suitors to sign him away from his University of Arkansas commitment.”
That was from MLB.com on May 19, 2011.
“Major League Baseball draft is June 6, and Cheyenne centerfielder, Brandon Nimmo, has risen like a rocket from a projected first or second rounder, to a projected #35, to recent mock drafts that place him as high as #12. Nimmo has signed a letter of intent to play at the University of Arkansas next year, but if he is drafted in the 1st round, he’ll be playing pro baseball within weeks of the draft.
“He’s the real deal.” Says Dave Ploof, who has seen Nimmo play many times over the last few years. “He runs well. He throws well. He hits well. And his mental attitude, his toughness, is there. He comes to the park ready to compete and to give 100% every time. You can’t ask any more than that from a player.””
http://insidedakotasports.com/30-mlb-scouts-expected-at-fitzgerald-stadium-tonight
Baseball America’s mock draft:
“13. METS: Though ownership is seeking new investors to provide some desperately needed cash, New York won’t have to make a budget-minded pick. Most of the best pitchers will have been selected, and the Mets would prefer a bat anyway. College outfielders George Springer (Connecticut) and Mikie Mahtook (Louisiana State) and Florida high school shortstop Javier Baez are possibilities, but New York may dig a little deeper and make outfielder Brandon Nimmo the first-ever prep first-rounder from Wyoming.
Projected Pick: Brandon Nimmo.”
“He had some early workouts in Arizona but wasn’t at full strength due to what was believed to be tendinitis in his knees.”
tendinitis in his knees…….?
Yeah, it’s called “jumpers knee” and affects about 1/3 teenage athletes and is relatively harmless.
jumpers knee?
he had a torn ACL in the same knee a year before….it was said he had problems with the knee during last spring
no coincidence there
“the fact that he was projected to be a supplemental pick at best..”
Because of signability issues. Rumor was he was looking for around $3 million. Baseball America had him ranked as the 3rd best HS player in the 2011 draft. He had a scholarship to Arkansas (or was it ‘bama?).
The knee thing didn’t bother him when he played football that winter, so what exactly makes you think no one wanted him?
Besides, I already proved that most had him going in the middle of the first round.
And those people might all be correct. Or they could be 100% wrong. We will not know for another 3 years.
Taskmaster, while i get your point, we don’t go by that and you know it. Nimmo is the guy mention in the draft because he was the #1 pick we had. he got the most money and that is why more is expected of him. as i said many times, i can care less about draft picks because we won’t know about them in 3 or 4 years. but since this Front office has been in place and we suck at getting pro players, then we turn our attention to the draft because of their “Ability to scout and develop” players in the minors. guess they didn’t get the memo in san diego or even los angeles when both of them bombed big time. with that being said, your point is valid to a certain point, but always remember, the #1 pick a team get is the guy we as fans and even the team expects the most. For example, Ike davis and havens.. both first rounders, davis is up here and havens hasn’t even sniffed the majors, was that draft a success? Yes, because our first pick is here with us contributing for the team.. But NOW, with this FO in place, that is what we seen to care about since they can’t find good players at the pro level to help the team.
“because of their “Ability to scout and develop” players in the minors.”
So you are already deeming they have failed at both with Nimmo after one year?
It’s more like a year and a half, remember he was taken in June of 2011.
Well kinda but he has also only played in about 70 some games.
Cause he spent longer than normal in the instructional league before he got assigned.
Yes it is a small sample size, but that itself is an indication that he needed a lot of extra work before he was ready to start his development in NYPL.
That doesn’t mean he is going to be a bad player but it does suggest he may have been a bit overhyped at the time he was selected by folks around here…(not suggesting the team overhyped him cause lets face it they overhype everyone they take.)
But he didn’t sign until the deadline on August 15th
And whose fault is that?
Obama’s? Beltran’s? I dunno.
The truth is, there are lots of shady things around these deals. According to writers, lots of these deals are already done, since teams negotiate with players prior to the draft (which is against the rules, but no one does anything about it). Also, a lot of the deals that are complete, MLB won’t let them be announced until certain times.
Why? I have no idea. Selig just wants what Selig wants.
To start, you need to revisit the draft during Alderson’s tenure in SD. While you are correct, the 1st rounders didnt pan out, getting Headley, Hundley, Verable LeBlanc, Freese, and Latos in a two year period is very good. I dont care that none of them were first round picks. All started in the majors. Do you really think anyone cares that Headley was a 2nd rounder and the 1st round pick bombed? Not likely.
2010 might be a homerun for Omar not only because of Harvey but Edgin. If he proves to be a solid bp guy who throws in 250 games for the Mets that is a highly successful 30th round pick. That makes the overall look a lot better and nobody really cares about the guys who went from 2-29.
My point is that you can attribute all the expectations you want to the 1st round draft choices, it is misguide. Fans want to remember the first round draft picks but in the end, it matters none. We can play the Albert Pujols in the 13th rd game to eternity to disprove the worth of 1st round picks. Everyone knows 1st round draft choices are a roll of the dice and that successful drafting means hitting on the later rounds.
“This is a remarkable departure from the MInaya days of grabbing solid college guys like Duda who have a lower downside but mostly limited upside. ”
I think this pick was made to show a departure rather than get the best guy available…
again…the mets are all about show and less about substance…
If Omar would’ve picked Jose Fernandez…met fans would’ve had 101 Fernando Martinez jokes and comparisons…
When it comes to drafting, Omar on a bad day >>>> Paul Depo
You also forgot to mention he’s 19 and playing in a pitcher friendly park. And median age in the NYPL is about 22.
It is just like when people were down on Wilmer Flores. Kid was barely old enough to shave playing against guys 3 years older than him. He got time to develop and it looks like the bat has finally come around.
The real shame of it all is there are some Mets fans out there that will root against this kid no matter what. Just like Wheeler – they can deny it or say whatever they’d like but their agenda is best served if these young kids fail. Meanwhile, being a fan – you hope for the best for Nimmo and hope the Mets were right about him. I’m willing to wait a few years for that
I agree. I hope that a ton of players start to produce in the Mets system regardless of who brought them in. I wasnt a fan of Omar’s but nothing would make me happier than the see Harvey become an all star, Duda a 30 hr guy, Davis hit 40, Edgin become a world class closer, and Kirk win a GG in CF. I am not going to root against them or Gee, Thole, Murphy, Niese, or any other Omar picks. The book on Omar is not done being written and I hope it turns out that his choices do ultimately help the team get back into contention.
The real shame of it all is there are some Mets fans out there that will root against this kid”
The same reason why you rooted against reyes, beltran, ike davis, tejada and a few other players who didn’t fit your Sandy alderson agenda.. I mean, you wrote an article wishing, hoping and praying IKE DAVIS to be send down because he’s struggling, YET you praised alderson for acquiring those 3 POS bullpen players we got last offseason, and not only that, even after we all saw how much of a faliure that was you then did another article actually defending the worst bullpen in mets history.. yet you come here, prentending once again to be the one lecturing people about wishing nimmo to fail just because it fits an agenda?? You are something else you know that..
How does hoping Ike gets sent to the minors to sort his stuff out so he can come back to the Major league club wishing he fails? If anything, that is wishing him the best, while at the same time not sacrificing games at the major league level. You are twisting what has been said.
If he continues to fail in the minors…he never comes back…
You are assuming people will root against him the way you did with Beltran, Pagan, Reyes, K-Rod? Are you kidding me?
I’ve never in my life rooted *against* a Met. Never. I didn’t boo Luis Castillo, Kaz Matsui, Oliver Perez, or Jason Bay.
I wrote on this website in fact asking fans to give Castillo a break. I didn’t jump up and down in celebration like you did when Omar Minaya was fired.
You like to attach certain views to my name without any justification.
I didn’t root against Reyes – I didn’t want him signed to a 6+ yr deal. There’s a difference
I didn’t root against Beltran – I wanted him traded because I felt he was a lame duck OF.
I didn’t root against KRod – I was happy he was traded because of his contract and his arrest.
I didn’t root against Pagan – because I always considered him a 4th type OF
I didn’t root against Ike Davis – I thought when he was hitting like a minor leaguer that he deserved to be sent down, this was a post I wrote after interviewing Rusty Staub when he said the same thing.
Rooting against Mets players is something I don’t do. Ever. So for you to try and say I do, is merely your poor attempt at fabricating a story for your own agenda.
Of course it is and anyone who reads this place more than one day already knows it the agendas of some. So again, no reason to defend yourself against it.
You did however boo Reyes for coming out of that last game in 2011, or did you forget that?
I boo’d him Metsie?
Was I at the game? No.
Fun fact on Wednesday, September 28th at 1pm I wasn’t even watching the game because I was working. I didn’t even see the at bat or him walking off until I watched it during a replay of the game and at that point, the season was actually already over. So I don’t really think I boo’d a player 6 hours after the game. That is kind of silly.
Being mad about a player taking himself out is not boo’ing them or wishing them to fail. There’s a drastic difference.
When Ollie P comes into a game, I don’t or didn’t wish him to fail. I wished him success and reacted to failure. There’s a difference.
Another example is the people who boo Kaz or Luis on Opening Day. Opening Day for me is a new start, truth be told if Reyes signed a 4 year deal with the Mets I would have gladly moved on from Game 162 drama because PART of why it irked me so much is because it was likely his final game as a Met.
You slammed him pretty hard and if you were AT the game that would have translated into a BOO for sure!
You basically assasinated him for coming out of a game that meant nothing to no one not even the batting Title and the only reason you wanted him to stay in the game was so he might lose the batting title and make letting him go more palatable.
Say what you want but you used every insult in the book aside from BOO to trash him that day!
Metsie, again you’re lying in a desperate attempt at defaming me.
You said: “the only reason you wanted him to stay in the game was so he might lose the batting title and make letting him go more palatable.”
Which is 100% false. Because I’ve said more times than I can count that my problem with Reyes coming out was when he did it. He could have run the bases, and played the field and come out of the game in a later inning – just like Miguel Cabrera did as an example in 2012.
Playing the field would have 0 impact on his batting title. So please stop telling me what I feel when I am telling you what I said and think about the situation.
Then tell us why ou were so pissed off he came out of the game then Jessup!
Knock me right out of the park….
You claim he left to save his title!
Well then I can only assume the reason you wanted him to stay in the game was so he had to face the chance of losing it!
Cause he already had the title when he went to the dugout!
Already EARNED the title and it was up to the PED user to take it away!
And you did also say thast he should stay to say goodbye to the fans….
As if a fan like you who went all out looking for reasons to let him leave deserved such honors!
Who you trying to fool here?? You went in an all out rant against reyes just because he took himself out the game after getting a hit… He did play SS in the first inning and got a hit, good for him, he had overtaken braun after going 7-11 in last 3 games to jump from 329 to 337. yet you gave him ZERO credit for doing that, just because WE like jose reyes you chose to then trash him and not like him. same thing with beltran and even with ike davis. Supposedly reyes was your favorite player yet at no point i can ever remember you going all out to defend him the way you defend players from other teams like tulowitzky. You are truly a work of art, you lied through your teeth and pretend as if those lies you say over and over don’t exist. everyone who was here that day saw you went almost insane based on that, to the point you even wish braun wins the batting tilte instead of reyes.
“Supposedly reyes was your favorite player yet at no point i can ever remember you going all out to defend him the way you defend players from other teams like tulowitzky”
Or
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2009/09/let-jose-be-jose.html
at no point huh? This was picked up by Mets Blog by the way. I can’t defend myself against lies further than telling you what I felt and feel today.
Go away. Have a great weekend Alex.
Had to go back to 2009 to find omething didn’t you?
I doubt anyone has to go that far back to find one where you trashed him.
WOW~!!!!! 2009?!? that’s it?? That’s all you got?? Cause it seem your love for him went away. And it all started when guys like me, maniac and others show the appreciation for him that you decided to have a vendetta against him.. Don’t give me articles you wrote about reyes 3 years ago to prove a point that went away, if anything we are still waiting for an apology from you for putting us up to years of pure crap reading material you’ve written.. From the urinal, to sandy had a good day, to no no, the bullpen is not bad, send ike down…You have a clean day and thanks for commenting!
Hi Jessep,
I was thinking more on the lines that raw talent is raw talent and it takes time to nurture so nobody can make a projection based on his rookie year. And because we cannot go by the stats, we have to go by what the scouts always look at with unproven talent – if they have the mechanics and potential to mature them enough to possibly have a shot in the majors.
It’s not done by stats so what I’m more interested in is the scouting assessment on how his mechanics have shown so far and what that might mean for the future.
But I am indeed wondering whether or not Sandy relies on statistical analysis to select draft pick selections in lieu of letting scouts make their recommendations based on traditional and proven observation skills. Bill James has said the jury is out regarding the use of advanced stats for judging raw talent in both high school and college. If Sandy does insist on that leverage I think there is valid criticism of his draft philosophy and, unfortunately, Nimmo is going to get caught in the crossfire, unfairly I think.
So we need to know what goes into the Mets selection process. If Sandy recognizes the importance of traditional scouting tools and insight, then criticism of him in this aspect of his job is unfair – and, as you know, this is coming from one who is definitely not a supporter of Sandy.
Too soon to know for sure, but I’d bet he’s another whiff by Sandy and Co.
Who were the other whiffs?
Depodesta’s greatest acquisition ever has been, blake dewitt… Don’t forget who was running the SD padres before sandy got there.. You’re trying to give sandy some credit where he clearly doesn’t deserve none.. The man is not a GM, he’s a lawyer with good financial visions and that’s why he was hired here, winning to them comes last.. as a GM he has a losing record and you can look that up if you like..
http://realdirtymets.com/2012/10/24/mlb-general-managers-career-winloss-record-1950-to-2011/
Now granted that was through 2011 but
Sandy Alderson 16 Seasons 1277 1249 0.506 03 Pennants 01 World Series
You know what, you’re right, his record is 1430-1420. My mistake… in 16 years, he’s compiled more wins than losses.. last 8 seasons as a GM hasn’t been too kind for him though wouldn’t you say???
I am sure the people at the desert really appreciate you selfless plugs of the site here.. Too bad the fuming pile was taken out..
Alex, Joe has already addressed this. I will post links to anything relevant. If that includes TRDM then so be it.
But hey keep up your campaign there buddy. You are doing such a great job.
Funny, you only seem to post articles from your BLOG right? you can post them all you want. still noone goes to the desert to party or vacationing. suck on that loser! shameless plug to promote your site is as sad as you can get!
Hi Alex,
Sandy is no general manager in the baseball sense so whatever the record is under his administrations it is as relevant as is the Mets record under M. Donald Grant. But, just like Grant, he can be responsible for a team’s failure for we know Grant ran the franchise right into the ground not because he made baseball decisions but because he refused to allow his general managers to spend money once Mrs. Payson passed away.
LOL all his best years were whn he admitted he really had no clue about how to run a baseball team…Once he got one his record droped into a consistency of losing!
Actually just to be factual, his record started to drop after Haas died and he was ordered to slash payroll. That meant fire sale time. SD didnt want to spend money and thus far the Mets havent.
To be more factual t started in 1993 Two years before Haas died and the new owners asked him to cut payroll.
1993 .420 Win%
1994 .447 Win%
1995 .481 Win%
It stayed under .500 Win% until Sandy left in 1999.
Hi Metsie,
Do you mean that Sandy Alderson does have a clue now?
Tell me who was running the Padres before Alderson got there? It seems like you are insinuating that it Depodesta. Funny, in 04 and 05 he was GM of the Dodgers. It seems Kevin Towers was running the show in SD from 1995 onward.
As for his acquisitions, Lowe, Penny, Drew, and Kent seemed to serve the Dodgers well through their tenure there.
Hey Nimmo, you’re so fine. You really blow my phukking mind.
Maniac, that’s what amazes me. I don’t see one single post here saying he will be great. But hey, whatever suits you.
No they were al posted at the time he was selected and then when he wasn’t even assigned to a MiL team until two months into this season people just clammed up about how great a pick he was going to be.
But at the time of the selection he was the poster boy to Sandy’s greatness in draft selection.
“No they were al posted at the time he was selected ”
No, not one person said he was great. A lot of people liked the reasoning behind the pick, but no one guaranteed anything.
Again you fall over yourself lying to prove your groundless point.
“then when he wasn’t even assigned to a MiL team until two months into this season people just clammed up about how great a pick he was going to be.”
It was announced prior to Spring Training he was going to Brooklyn after Extended Spring Training.
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You all hooted and hollared about how great a pick he was!
Now you try and rewrite the history!
Typical Danal Approach to debating!
I suggest we just ignore him and realize the guy would explode into flame if he even TRIED to tell the truth just once in his life!
“You all hooted and hollared about how great a pick he was!”
Instead of telling us all about it, why don’t you show us?
No, you won’t do that. It would take guts. You wouldn’t dare work in varifiable facts. You’re jsut going to act like it is my job to support your claims.
Go find your own link to your opinion and prove me wrong!
But I don’t need o waste a hour searching for what I KNOW you said just to prove to everyone else what they already know about you…
Your a liar and say whatever it takes at the time you get caught by your own posted bull!
Why do you work so hard to prove me right?
SO you can’t find your own posts to prove me wrong?
What a shock! LOL
No, I can’t find a post I am telling you doesn’t exist.
Is that what I aed you to fid or is this another classic case of Danal Misdirection?
Findf the post that said what you claim was your opinion at the time that you stated above!
“You all hooted and hollared about how great a pick he was!”
That is what you claimed. I said that didn’t happen.
Now, since you made the affirmative claim, it is on you to back it up.
Telling me to go find posts I’m saying don’t exist to support you is rather dumb.
So you can’t prove what you said back then, Just be a man and admit it then move on!
Your the one who wishes to make me look foolish so go and do the legwork for what you want and stop asking me to go looking for a post as a way of wasting my time so you can get away with posting more bull unopposed!
No, I can’t prove what YOU claimed I said because I didn’t actually say it.
But go ahead and keep talking in circles and trying to derail the conversation. You desperate need for the last word just displays your insanity.
Yeah keep running away from the fact you can’t prove what YOU claimed as no one asked you to prove what I claimed idiot!
More misdirection and stupidity from you as expected…
Prove what you claimed or just shut up your boring the masses with this childish twisting and excuse making.
“No, not one person said he was great. A lot of people liked the reasoning behind the pick, but no one guaranteed anything.”
No one ever guarantees anything.
Point is, no one was jumping for joy saying that the mets had a steal on their hands…the only thing people said was…
WOW…they didnt draft a college pitcher once again…the saber geeks dont just rely on stats because they drafted a kid who didnt play HS ball
the problem here is that the anti-Omar crowd had set up a precedent that they have not been consistent with in the Sandy era
so everything comes into scrutiny
you guys did this to yourselves
“the problem here is that the anti-Omar crowd had set up a precedent that they have not been consistent with in the Sandy era”
No, the problem is you.
You imagine some coordinated anti-Omar crowd because you have a narrative already set inh your mind. All the facts that disagree with this narrative (like what Minaya and Alderson et al have actually done/do) get ignored.
You need to invent different “teams” of fans and create strawmen and generalizations because the concept of nuances and facts destroys the very simple story you have invested yourself in.
“You need to invent different “teams” of fans and create strawmen and generalizations because the concept of nuances and facts destroys the very simple story you have invested yourself in.”
Bingo and every post becomes about the same story over and over again.
You can deny it all you want…
but the same folks who were screaming favoritism and Omar is an idiot for giving Kelvin Escobar a 1 mil salary in 2010 were not doing the same when Sandy signed Taylor Tankersly to a 2 year deal
the same folks who bashed Omar for Eddie Kunz and Brad Holt now discover that the draft is a crap shoot when Sandy is the GM
You drastically move the goal-posts when Sandy became GM
u can dress it up, put cologne on it, make it look real nice
it’s still the same bag of hypocritical dog-doodoo
They are just pissed that we have showed them to have double standards depending on who was the GM at the time and basically used thier own argument against them!
Sandy farts gold, Omar exhales poison…
Too bad that if not for Omar there wouldn’t be any players they can trade to pretend to do what they think Oakland did in moneyball!
You can invent all the stories you’d like.
You can generalize all you like.
I’m sure you “heard” a lot of things and “didn’t hear” a lot of others. Human memory is funny like that.
“Human memory is funny like that”
Yes and it’s especially convenient whenever you like to rewrite your own history after realizing you were wrong and refuse to admit to what you said!
Yes, just like you claiming you scored a 303 on an IQ test.
Quit following me around like a sad puppy desperate for attention.
Yep thats right!
Whats your IQ results? -70?
“At this point, making a decision on whether he is boom or bust is way too early.”
This.
Nice overall analysis Sean.
No one is saying he is a bust, Just that the excitement of a guy who is clearly going to need a 4 year development timeline (as opposed to a 3 year) was a bit overblown.
He may be a very good player but it is not going to be one of those guys who rockets through the Minors.
In fact I bet he starts off in Brooklyn next year and won’t sniff AA until Late July/August.
THIS ^^^
But hey, since is us, the guys who obviously were 100% right about sandy, then we hate the kid.. I mean, there were articles being written about what the kid had for Phucking dinner!!!!!!!!
Cmon dude do you really think that my comment has anything to do with you? It’s interesting how the focus of what I highlighted is on the bust part and not the boom. In the overall analysis by Sean the comment I highlighted is the overriding point when all is said and done.
“At this point, making a decision on whether he is boom or bust is way too early.”
Boom or bust.
IMO, Nimmo has a shot to repeat in BK again, because a moderation between BK and Sav does not exist. I find it hard to see the Mets move Nimmo to Savannah, and the fact rookie ball doesn’t begin until the halfway point of Savannah’s season, it makes no sense.
I know it doesn’t affect Nimmo, Sean. But what is your impression of the Mets picking back up their Gulf Coast Team?
This is how they are reinvesting their savings on the Reyes deal
word has it employees no longer have to bring their own toilet paper to work anymore
I wish MMO would do a poll about nimmo… So far posting all his numbers and what we’ve talked about of him having no power nor speed so far to see what % thinks he’ll be a bust or a boom… I can guarantee you majority of people will see it the same way we’re seeing it.. Funny how as soon as someone has something negative about nimmo is because of sandy, yet if someone has something positive to say about nimmo then that person is a smart person.. I don’t get how people view things in here. So far the guy has not shown anything special for anybody to be drooling about. noone is saying the guy is a bust already, he may shut us all up, but as of now, OBP or not, noone can tell me or a racional baseball fan that this guy was a good draft choice. funny, since numbers don’t apply to this kid because his numbers so far SUCK we use what we see with our eyes to project what he will be, yet if we do that then we don’t know baseball.. the SG use numbers to fit their agenda it seems too ..
LMAO Alex!
That’s a great suggestion, but usually the way I shut people up about Nimmo in short-season ball is simply to show them this:
13. New York Mets: OF Brandon Nimmo
14. Florida Marlins: RHP Jose Fernandez
15. Milwaukee Brewers: LHP Jed Bradley
16. L.A. Dodgers: LHP Chris Reed
17. O.C. Angels: 1B C. J. Cron
18. Oakland Athletics: RHP Sonny Gray
19. Boston Red Sox: RHP Matt Barnes
Let the facts do all the talking!
I try not to think about what the Mets left on the table because it makes me want to punch a wall. Fernandez will be the next Pedro Martinez. The others are well on their way to stardom. This was a terrible first round for us.
Funny…if the mets draft him…actually if OMAR drafted anyone named Pedro….met fans would throw a fit
holy crap Damaja, is everything with you a racial thing? Enough!!! Omar had his good moments like every GM does and he had his bad ones like every GM does. Nobody cares who he drafts or what their nationality is. YOUR the one bringing race into these discussions!! Enough with this, it has zero place here on a Mets site. If you want to discuss race relations when it concerns MLB, then start a letter writing campaign to Rev. Al Sharpton or Spike Lee. Otherwise, unless you see someone who actually writes down the Omar only drafted or signed latinos, then shut up! This is all in your mind, nobody but you sees these things.
“Nobody cares who he drafts or what their nationality is”
Right…because the 6 years of met fans complaining Omar trying to make the team too latin was just my imagination…..
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/071210
There is ignorance and racism in all walks of life but it is not all Mets fans so everytime you simply make a statement on this and say because “Mets fans” you group everyone rather than those idiots that made such statements to begin with.
Joe D is a Mets fan. I am a Mets fan and both of us would tell you we don’t share such ideas or opinions that you often say about Mets fans.
I don’t know anything about you but you seem like an intelligent person and I agree with you that there are idiots and racists in all walks of life but that doesn’t mean that when a reporter says something negative it is due to racism or when someone says something negative of a player of Latin descent it is because they are racist. It could be because they simply do not like the person for who he is irregardless of race.
I am not saying this to tell you to stop or even tone down cause I know that is a waste of time as people will say and do as they please but I say this in hopes you consider my words in the future when forming your opinions on future matters.
Of course, I deal with BS all the time…I just like sports b/c its an escape from that….
in 2005, the mets ranked 10th among all teams in latinos on the roster…
listening to met fans complain about Omar, you would’ve thought we were ranked #1
I’ve beaten this subject to death…to the point where although I still get insulted when i see racial tendancies, the arguments become boring.
Petey Pete puts Cam Maron ( a guy who the mets made a DH ), Kevin Pawlecki, someone ranked with poor catching skills, and brooke fordyce ( an absolute scrub ) ahead of Juan Centeno…someone who since 2010 has had 3 straight productive years.
I can bring out all the stats I want, Petey Pete and the rest of the Sandy fans will stand by their men.
Does it matter that Juan is heads and shoulders better than them behind the plate? NOPE
Does it matter that Juan has a higher batting average? NOPE
They’ll point to OPS/SLG/HR and say that since Juan doesnt have high numbers there, he’s not as good of a catching prospect.
Basically to sum it up, seeing stuff like this on the heels of the past 6 years, just smells like that good ol boy mentality
o well
Hi Just,
I can understand your point because some caucasians I know who were Met fans were mumbling the same thing. However, that’s more a reflection of their bigotry than their team allegiance. Years before, the criticism of the team was that it was almost lily-white (I remember George Foster hinting at such when he was released during the 1986 season).
So you are right to call those people out, but not as a group. It’s like what Bill Maher joked about when telling the African American community on his show tonight about him being white: “hey, I’m one of the good ones!”.
They were drafting for choir boys from the Bible Belt which was a big organizational need in 2011.
There are no facts. These guys are all in the lower level of the minors. Why not compare their high school or career stats? They are meaningless at this point.
People can write all the stuff they want, both pro and con, about these guys and it all means the same…nothing. Lets see if any of these guys perform even at AA let alone the majors.
The facts are:
1) All the players you listed are older and/or more experinced than Nimmo
2) You are claiming stats at their face value are an accurate way of rating minor leaguers
3) Some of those guys did not have the hot debut you seem to think they did
4) Nimmo was a 19 year old playing in a league where the average age was around 22. In a pitcher friendly park no less
5) You don’t get anyone to shut up. We just stop talking to you for the same reason people don’t talk to the guy on the subway screaming about the CIA shooting radio waves into his brain
Jose Fernandez and Brandon Nimmo are 8 months apart in years…
Jose Fernandez and Brandon Nimmo are 8 years apart in terms of talent
Jose Fernandez pitches in pitcher friendly leagues and is presently in Single A.
Brandon Nimmo is hitting in a pitcher friendly league.
Why don’t you and alex go get some Marlins tickets? I hear they are the cheapest seats in baseball.
Got to jump in here, but Donal, I dont know the extent of your minor league knowledge. But you do know Fernandez is one of the top two pitching prospects in all of baseball right? I’d trade five Nimmo’s for Fernandez even though we’d get turned down.
I didn’t say he was a bad pitcher. He’s obviously talented and seems to be on a path to the majors.
I’m just defending a prospect for the team I root for.
Declaring 19 year old kids who are competing against 22 year olds as “busts” seems a little premature, no?
You used AGE as a factor
Jose and Brandon are months in age apart.
Brandon had a mediocre year in -A ball….( not even A ball yet )
Jose blew away A league …going 7-1
then was promoted and blew away A+ league …again going 7-1
Jose for the year finished 14-2 with a 1.75 ERA
Jose was also the YOUNGEST player on his team at age 19
If Sandy drafted Jose and the Marlins drafted Nimmo…you would laugh hysterically at the notion of Brandon being a better pick
He’s just saying that it’s not a given Fernandez will be a better player than nimmo.
Jose Fernandez will be a Marlin in 2013 and he will dominate wherever he pitches. It doesn’t matter how big the park is when you are missing bats. People look at park factors too much. Great hitters and pitchers are great no matter where you put them.
“Jose Fernandez will be a Marlin in 2013″
Mainly because the Marlins will suck and will desperately claw for talented prospects.
He’ll make it on his own merit and push the issue. This isn’t a Mike Pelfrey/Matt Harvey situation.
Did I miss something? Did you really compare the development of Matt Harvey to the week in the minors of Mike Pelfrey?
Manaic, this is amazing.. we use numbers to profile him because noone has seen him actually play to prove our point so far on him, but no.. we shouldn’t use that because in the minors that’s not allowed, is what we see with our eyes according to the SG. It seems they are the only ones allow to use numbers to benefit their sabermetric ideas. OBP my ass… Not one person in baseball america or a scout said “Wow, great pick by the mets, the kid will post awesome OBP #’s”… SMFH.
79 games
This article, and every comment on it is pointless. The dude didn’t even play high school baseball, and should have been a freshman in college this year. Talk to me at the end of the 2014 season, at the EARLIEST. Especially since you know he’s not gonna be rushed. This isn’t even worth discussing now.
So right. So many people in this comment section are showing just how stupid they are and how little they know about development. To say any pick is bad after less than 80 games is pathetic; especially considering the kid is only 19. To say he hasnt showed speed when they’ve never watched him play in person is just weird. To say he hasn’t hit for power when he obviously did by out homering not only Ike davis, but also Reese Havens…two other first rounders who both went to college and were much older!!! half his hits were extra base hits.
I say give him another 1,000 or so at bats then you can make some kind of projection with Nimmo, sheesh, as stated he didn’t even play HS ball and is a teenager; some thinking he is Harper from Nats?
Who mentioned Harper? Or do you just need a strawman?
It’s WAY too early to be slamming Nimmo. He has only played 79 minor league games…
But.. But… He was drafted under the Alderson reign… He must be horrible, a bust, a waste of a pick…
or an example of Sandy + Depo’s great drafting skills…
checks how many all-stars SD has drafted under Depo…
Ike Davis hit ZERO hrs in Brooklyn. This is a guy who we’ve seen smoke balls to the Shea Bridge. Nimmo hit 5 while 3 yrs younger.
So far great pick. A lot to like for a kid who didn’t have a high school team.
Metsie, I don’t like donal, but i do remember him not liking the pick of nimmo and fulmer 100% but that he understood the reason… They were predicted on high ceiling and went with that… I could be wrong, but he wasn’t on the nimmo bandwagon as others…
And I do remember him defending and backing up Jessup and Xtreeme for touting the pick as a great one!
“And I do remember him defending and backing up Jessup and Xtreeme for touting the pick as a great one!”
Again Metsie.
Lie. You’re just making things up to feel good about your own opinion.
Here is EXACTLY what I said on the Nimmo thread
“Seriously, anybody who decides the value of the 2011 MLB Draft after last night, or tonight etc is just looking for a reason to either falsely praise or falsely complain. There is no Strasburg, David Price, or Bryce Harper in this draft. It’s not like there is a superstar can’t miss guy. These are amateur players who will need at least 3 years to develop into anything worth discussing for the most part. So just sit back, relax. Read reports about the type of player they are now, and about the type of player the Mets hope the kid(s) will become and judge them after the development has begun.”
“And again, discussing the ammy draft like you have any clue is a joke. And I don’t mean you as in only you. I mean when you get down to it, the baseball draft is the biggest gamble of any draft in sports. And to try and discuss it and have a “strong” opinion one way or the other is ridiculous to me.”
So what you “remember” is complete and utter BS because you can ask people like Joe D – I have 0 thoughts on the ammy draft because none of us see scouting reports, and I believe the most important aspect of a player’s value is how he’s developed – not when he’s picked.
I have no strong feelings on Nimmo 1 way or the other. So trying to once again attach me to some argument you’ve had is a complete and total fabrication.
YOU SAY THIS >Seriously, anybody who decides the value of the 2011 MLB Draft after last night, or tonight etc >is just looking for a reason to either falsely praise or falsely complain.
AND THEN….say this…
>There is no Strasburg, David Price, or Bryce Harper in this draft. It’s not like there is a ??>superstar can’t miss guy.
u just decided the value
that was smart !
Right – you’re choosing to ignore reality if you think those 3 players are the same as your every day run of the mill baseball draft pick. You know it too, you’re just trying to create a further flame war.
flame war? no
Im just pointing out how you can contradict yourself.
If damaja thinks jaun centeno is good, then he must think Nimmo is the next Prince Fielder!!!
Sure…when Nimmo hits over .300 3 years in a row AND plays good defense.
Hi Jessep,
I understand your point and agree.
In some years there have been certain players already hyped as can’t misses by those covering high school and college baseball before the draft and there are other years when the crop of talent seems good but without many of those can’t miss type players. I remember back in 1964 a big bonus baby named Rick Reichart – he signed for at the time an unheard of $400,000 bonus was touted as the next great superstar before he ever played a minor league game for the Angels. He even played a few games for Los Angeles (that’s what the Angeles were back then) right after his signing.
Rick had a few good seasons but I doubt those not in our age group ever even heard of him.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reichri01.shtml
No contradiction in terms on your part.
Yes. I said I wanted Jed Bradley but understood why they went with Nimmo.
thre is really no reason to even consider whether Nimmo is a bust or not—–too early. maybe if he had just entered drug rehab or something. to have an opinion at this point is useless.