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Looking Ahead: Mets 2013 and Beyond
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Today is the day that most Mets fans take a sigh of relief that the organization was able to show the fans that they are more financially stable than most have thought. David Wright is a Met, probably until his last days on a baseball field.
This is something Mets fans have never seen before. Wright now becomes our version of Ripken, Gwynn, Helton, Chipper or Jeter. He may not become a Hall of Famer, time will tell – but there will be no doubt that he was our player.
It’s time to look forward, and not back on failed contracts by either recent front office. It’s not time to look at what could have been, but what may be?
The Mets have two corner infielders that make up the core of this franchise. Ike Davis will turn 26 before Opening Day which means his best days may be over the next 4 years. I believe the Mets need to do whatever they can to be as competitive as possible with Ike in his prime.
When you pair Davis & Wright up with Tejada, Niese, Harvey, Wheeler and Familia you have a solid core that could all be ready to contribute during the 2013 season.
With the addition of a playoff spot, we saw teams like Baltimore & Oakland prove the naysayers wrong. With the Giants winning the World Series, we saw that the 25 man roster is most important – not 2 or 3 players.
The Mets now have decisions to make on the following players: R.A. Dickey, Daniel Murphy and Wilmer Flores. If Flores’ future is at 2B, then Murphy needs to be packaged (or vice versa). If the Mets feel Dickey’s contract demands exceed their baseline, then he needs to be packaged.
The 2013 Mets need a corner OF and bullpen help. If they can find their way to another CF or C, then that would be nice as well.
The 2014 Mets have very little guaranteed payroll. Outside of unknown arbitration figures, the Mets are on the hook for about $31million in payments in 2014. This is assuming Wright’s average of $17.4m is accurate.
If the Mets are satisfied with Murphy for now, then Wilmer Flores could net the Mets a nice package that they can use today.
Perhaps we may see players like Cody Ross, and yes Francisco Rodriguez in a Mets uniform in 2013?
Call me crazy, but I think the Mets can figure things out pretty quickly if they play their cards right.
About the Author: Michael J. Branda
My time with MMO began in July of 2009 when I wrote a Fan Post defending Omar Minaya (before it was cool to do that.) I grew up a Mets fan with the mid 1980's teams. My favorite Met of all-time is (and was) Wally Backman. When it comes to sabermetrics versus old school thinking, I like to think I meet in the middle. I believe thinking of new ways to get answers is helpful, especially when the same way has not produced results. However, I think over-thinking certain situations can get you into trouble. I'm excited for the new regime, because I believe they have pieces in place to focus on several aspects of the Mets organization. I've waited this long for a World Series, waiting a few more years for another chance isn't going to kill me.
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Excellent post. My sentiments exactly.
David Wright does NOT become our version of Cal Ripken…
IF we are lucky, he becomes our version of Patrick Ewing.
More than likely he becomes our version of Allen Houston
The nice choir boy that the owner loves to death and over-pays to stay in the org
He might be a poor version of Ripken but how does he not become the closest thing the Mets have.
David Wright = our version of Billy Ripken
Well if so then hopefully he shows you the end of his baseball bat.
Ok jokes aside…
Yes he is the “closest” we have to that…
but we should’ve been more concerned with really developing the next positional player that will dominate for the NEXT 10-15 years…not overpay one for what he did 4 years ago…
The Mets STILL market the team ( and place all the pressure ) around 1 player.
In 1992 it was Bobby Bo…that blew up pretty quick…
In 1999 it was Mike Piazza….he had the title for a few years…by 2002 he was a shell of his former self…
Since 2005, its been David Wright….
The Mets would be best served to look at how the Knicks market the 2012-2013 team…
its not centered around Melo…
its the whole team….
you look at the mets 25 man roster and you would think for the past 8 years its been David Wright and the 5 heartbeats
David is best when he is in the background…not in the fore-front ( like he is paid to be )
Crazy…
As for the Mets moves from here? Very telling. If they do nothing this year or next but re-sign Dickey and Wright and then dumpster dive then this is a travesty.
And yup….more than likely this means they say goodbye to the 21 year old Wilmer Flores.
After all…putting the worst statistical defensive player at 2B sounds like a much better idea!
Murphy with good knees runs as fast as Castillo with bad knees with a much worse glove
This sounds like a fabulous idea…
But not before they play Flores at C, LF, CF, 1B and drive down his value to somewhere between Cam Maron and Fred Lewis.
Then they can cut him and say he was another Omar bust
Yes
THIS sounds like a fabulous plan
The best part about the offseason is that hope is palpable. It reaches a climax in spring training, but now all the dreaming is just being born. I think the Wright signing is good in that we didn’t get worse today. In fact, we arguably have an all star level player at 3B for the next few years. The core that is developing is solid.
But there is still much room for improvement. This is the obstacle for the front office. You have to improve this team. I like our core, but so does Washington, and Atlanta, heck probably even Philadelphia for the next 2-3 years. And that’s just within the division.
I don’t believe trading Flores is an answer. I just can’t imagine his value is nearly as high as it will be if he plays half a season in Las Vegas. If he shows he can play even an average or slightly below 2B, then there’s no reason you move him at all. He is the BAT in the system that is closest to the big leagues, he has to stay.
As for improvement to the MLB team, as usual with our Mets these days, it’s all about how much money they have to spend. The only thing I’m certain of is that Niese or Dickey are gone this time next week.
“But there is still much room for improvement. This is the obstacle for the front office. You have to improve this team. I like our core, but so does Washington, and Atlanta, heck probably even Philadelphia for the next 2-3 years. And that’s just within the division.”
I thought you said we didn’t agree on much, LOL.
Ha. Fair enough.
We come at it from different places, but at the end of the day, we end up at the same place.
Link from Metsblog. Fangraphs. Interesting but just a projection nevertheless.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/david-wright-deal-a-solid-bet-for-mets/
Interesting article. I liked this in the comment section on what the Mets spend on next:
“I did notice that big mustard stain on the 1986 WS banner. You are right, they’ll probably get a new one.”
Jessep,
I am on the verge of winning back to back championships with the Padres in OOTP in 2015-2016.
That is all.
haha that is awesome. OOTP13? Great product
Ya OOTP 13. Love it.
I wouldnt trade Wilmer Especially if he continues to perform like he has. He doesnt strike out like most prospects whom project to hit anywhere from 20-30HR with above .300 avg.
Sure he doesnt walk a lot but that will eventually get better with more time/reps. The Mets need to start grooming him to continue play 2B since 3B is locked up. I see him as having potential to being a Fonzie type or even Jeff Kent/Brett Boone with a better glove.
Second base is wide open in our system and there is NO clear cut heir in sight. Wilmer is our best position prospect who also happens to play 2B as well. Most of his 2B reps have come while playing in his Native Venezuela during winter leagues the past few years and 27 or so games last year in Double A.
Just because we extended Wright doesnt mean they should start to sell off our prospects. We are still REBUILDING if we werent they wouldnt be dangling RA DICKEY now.
FYI You dont deal from a position of weakness you deal from a position of strength
IF they believe he can play 2B unless he is returning the exact same player that can play RF then yeah you gotta keep him. Murphy would be better served as a guy off the bench anyway.
Angels Acquire Tommy Hanson For Jordan Walden
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#zEQgUYpCT0xomIsr.99
There’s gotta be more to this otherwise I can’t help but think the Braves got hosed.
Wow! Didnt see that coming….More bullpen arms for the Braves???
They must really think Hansons arm troubles are a SERIOUS concern.
And gotta think the Braves will be fllipping someone out of that Pen soon
You would imagine so. If they traded Hason I would have assumed it would be for a hitter for sure. Unless this is a 3 part deal as you said. I would thought you could have gotten at least a guy like JP out of Toronto to pair with the injured McCann.
I think it has to do with the Upton deal in a way getting rid of Hanson who is headed for Arb this year for the 1st time and i was hearing things during the season about him having arm troubles and a decline on his fastball. If you watch him pitch he throws like he’s throwing darts with the ball by his ear like a catcher. Not too mention he was terrible 2nd half of the season almost a 6.00 era but you’d think he’d bring back more in a deal…
Well the last time they got hosed in a deal was with the Angels when they trade Teixeira for Kotchman and Stephen Marek.
Braves scare me though ive heard they want to put together an Outfield of Heyward and the 2 Upton Brothers….Only 1 piece is missing Justin…And coincidentally the Rangers tried to acquire the braves rookie SS Simmons so they could use him in a trade to the D’backs for ding ding Justin Upton…
This could be the beginning of a bigger trade or nothing at all but who knows…strange deal tho last thing Braves need is bullpen help
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
The Angels-Braves trade is one-for-one….Walden for Hanson…#confimred
Well Jesse I have to give credit where credit is due….
With all the battles over the last two years I think you may have finally turned the corner on the team thinking here….
Admitting this team has a core to build around and suggesting we HAVE trade chips to get what we need when added in conjunction to your previous Put up or Shut up piece regarding Sandy I think I have to give you some props.
The Question to be answered still has SANDY turned the corner as well?
Extending Wright is not enough to convince me of that.
Sandy did it to please you Metsie.
SARCASM
No he did it to please the Wilpons who were more concerned about what attendance would drop to and what the Public relations department would have to go through than they were with the extra 1.25 Mil per year they were spending over current payroll.
Thats why this deal got done….
Cause it would cost them more in Attendance and Public Relations than it would to extend him.
Not out of the realm of truth at all. This has the Wilpons stamp all over it.
Ironically…this may set the mets back from winning.
Winning = high attendance in NY
nothing else
Not cute players with dimples, not success stories like RA….not catering to ethnic groups ( say hi to 1990′s juan samuel )….none of those marketing gimmicks work here
Win = we come
Lose = we dont
Win = u make money
Lose = u dont
Win = we cheer
Lose = we boo
its that simple
NY = results oriented town.
Ironically…this may set the mets back from winning.
Time will tell.
But no one has ever credit the Wilpons with any kind of baseball sense.
Sorry Winning doesn’t equal attendance
They drew more in 2009 than they did in 2005 and won less.
And they drew more in 2005 than they did in 2004 solely on the signing of Beltran and Martinez.
Signing big names translates to IMMEDIATE ticket sales.
Winning translates only to increased late season ticket sales and more sales the year after.
Signing Wright won’t INCREASE ticket sales but it will stop them from losing some.
If they had signed Upton they would have increased ticket sales for next year before a single game was played!
And enough to cover the cost of anything they were paying Upton.
Not that I like Upton or anything just saying a big name signing increases Season ticket sales where the majority of a teams finances and revenue come from.
Winning does not = attendance???
can u explain why in a bad economy, with HIGHER PRICES….The Yankees have outdrawn the Mets in 4 consecutive seasons????
Can you explain why Yankee fans refuse to show up for Game 2 of the ALCS after Jeter broke his leg….
You win…they pack the house…
You dont…its a morgue…
Yankee fans have HIGHER standards than Met fans.
They expect a WS
We just hope for meaningful games in September
The one and only thing the Wilpons have accomplished in 30 years is lowering fan expectations
“The Yankees have outdrawn the Mets in 4 consecutive seasons????”
Yep count the stars on thier roster compared to ours.
Count the All Stars they have compared to us…
“Can you explain why Yankee fans refuse to show up for Game 2 of the ALCS after Jeter broke his leg….”
See Above….Your HOPE of winning is tied to your STARS not your actuall winning!
They still had won a ton that year but then gave up due to losing a STAR they deemed important to getting the wins!
If they had Let jeter go before the season started would they have drew as many as they did even if they had the same record?
And in reply to jessup – Well even more proof that WINNING isn’t really what draws people into the stands now isn’t it?
2004?
How about 1989-1990?
They won more games in 1990 but attendance declined how do you explain that? What was the difference?
By the time they start winning it’s too late to increase sales over the whole season for that year.
But you guys refuse to get it.
Pre-sale tickets is based on pomp and circumstance along with expectation. I’d imagine Baltimore’s season ticket totals will go up in 2013, they aren’t a big time star team but their fans now have hope/expectation.
From Opening day on it’s all about performance. And performance puts actual bodies in the stands. You need to remember “attendance” is not how many people show up. The Mets could announce 30,000 and have 15k in the place – that’s 15,000 butts they aren’t getting extra revenue from.
On a sunday in September 09 the Mets announced almost 45,000 in attendance while they were 18 games under .500. I’ll bet anything there was not 45,000 people there…. it was probably half that.
So yea you had a ticket sold, great – but you didn’t maximize your profit from that ticket because you go no more revenue from that sale. Why? Poor performance.
If the team was winning, those people show up.
Yep and EXPECTATION is based on who is signed to play on the oster when those tickets go on sale and before a single game is played!
You guys don’t understand the nuances of BULK PURCHASES….
YOU may buy more tickets if they win but the few ticets YOU buy don’t pay the bills. It is the SEASON TICKETS/FULL SEASON PLANS that pay the bills!
Those are sold BEFORE the season starts based on the EXPECTATIONS of the team and it’s roster in December – March when the Majority of Full Season plans are sold and the HOPE of next season is defined.
Those piddling two or three games you go to after they are still in it in July don’t matter at all. Sure they add up but the piddling 3 or 4 days of your attendance is nothing compared to the 81 tickets sold for the ENTIRE YEAR to someone who might not even go to half of them all because he wanted to be able to see a team that showed him promise before the season even started!
Expectations happen BEFORE a game is played and while winning can change those EXPECTATIONS going forward it does not sell as many tickets as having those expectation BEFORE the season started!
Something lost on all of you who have no clue how the entertainment industry works. sells and markets itself.
By the time the winning has started it’s too late to make money to capitalize on it quickly.
But when you sign a big name the affect is immediate and for far more money than your decision to see a few more games in August and September because they had a good April – July you didn’t buy tickets for because they hadn’t won yet.
You mean like the 2002 / 2003 All-Star team the mets collected?
Roberto Alomar…
Jeremy Burnitz
Mo Vaughn
Mike Piazza
Al Leiter
Tom Glavine
Stars Stars Stars…
All I saw was an EMPTY graveyard after June
How did stacking your team up with STARS help attendance in MIAMI ???
No team is better to look at than the one across town…
Since Free-agency…the Yankees have ALWAYS stacked their team with ALL-STARS
when it blew up in their face in 1989-1992…attendance was poor…when they got the right guys in there….it came right back up…
look up the late 80′s/ early Yankee rosters…
The Yankees had Rickey Henderson, Steve Sax, Don Mattingly, Dave Winfield, Deon Sanders, Jessie Barfield. Danny Tartabull, Jack McDowell and a whole cast of “All-stars”…
and the mighty yankee stadium was a grave-yard…
You win
We come
You dont
we find something better to do in the city that never sleeps
Yep the 2002 Mets who drew more than we have the past three years despite winning less 2 out of the last three years and the one year they didn’t win less they won ONE more game!
As for the 2003 Mets they won fewer games and yet only drew 102K less than we did this year. Thats about three games worth of attendance for the whole year despite 14 more losses!
You keep bringing up years and keep making my point for me!
I got all day!
In 2010
The Mets had All-stars at
2B – Castillo
SS – Reyes
3B – Wright
CF – Gary Matthews Jr
RF – Carlos Beltran
LF – Jason Bay
SP – Johan Santana
RP – K-Rod
and still their attendance dropped
this is a results oriented town.
If stars dont win
we dont come
Was Beltran on the opening day lineup? Was he going to be?
Was Johan Santana by himself enough pitching to make us Winners?
Was Castillo still making the all star game every year the way the guy you hate Wright was?
Was Gary Mathews Jr still an All Star possibility? Or was he just another crap signing like what we have seen from Sandy?
Did we decline in Attendance because we didn’t have stars or because we had FEWER than we used to due to Delgado and Sheffield being gone?
Or as Jessup pointed out because there was no way to outdraw 2009 due to the curiosity of going to see a new stadium?
How do they outdraw 2009?
BY WINNING IN 2009 !!!!
WHAT A CONCEPT !!!!
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2010
St. Louis in 2012 – lost their equivalent of Cal Ripken…and replaced him with that old broken down bag of goodies called Carlos Beltran…and increased their attendance by 7%….
wanna know how????
#Winning
2009 the majorityof the sales was to see the stadfium not the players.
They won more games in 2008 so why didnt they sell MORE in 2009?
Got an answer for that? I do!
And it has nothing to do with the wins or the players does it?
Metsie – I assure you I understand the value of season tickets since I ran a ticket office and had to sell season plans. I’ve been in offices where if we don’t hit certain season renewals we may not get paid for the week. I understand they pay bills. But they pay bills when times are slow and there is a very slow revenue stream. They don’t pay the bills in April-Sept.
Here’s what you’re missing.
If lets say you had 100 ticket plans from 2012 okay? How many of them are renewing no matter what the product is on the field? 70? 80?
If the Mets today signed Zack Greinke and Josh Hamilton – how many more plans would they sell? 50? Maybe? I doubt they’d double their margin from the year prior that’d be a huge, huge achievement. So you lost some from the year prior and maybe gained some from your addition.
Which is great don’t get me wrong, but in 81 home games if you have 20,000 seats sold via season holders, you’ve pre-sold 1.62mil tickets. Great. You still have over 2.5 million tickets to sell for the entire year. If you want to have an exciting crowd and a sell out, and bring in the most possible $ you can.
Season plans are mostly renewals, and the new ones count to but they also have to replace cancellations first.
If the Mets had years of sustained winning, season plans would be the best way to get tickets sold. However, that isn’t the case.
If the A’s won a World Series, their season plans would have doubled with the same roster of no stars.
Winning drives the dollar, and winning keeps fans coming. Names and flashy moves may fool some but those people come and go and don’t come to the park unless the team turns out great.
So since you did that for a living when were the MAJORITY of tickets sold when you worked there?
Before the season started or after July when the winning was evident?
If you get nearly 1.62 tickets isn’t that HALF (more actually) your sales towards a 3Mil per year attendance?
Yes they are renewals…What do they use to determine if they want to renew? What happens in July? or what they think might happen in July? Can you get half your draw after half the season is over?
And why does winning in a previous year sell more tickets the following year or inspire renewals?
Because those wins are counted in next year’s win column?
or is is because THOSE WINS CREATED POTENTIAL STARS they want to see the next year?
Does winning really create sales or does it create stars that sell?
RA Dickey won a lot of games yet the team didn’t win when he wasn’t there…Was it the team that inspired those extra tickets they sold when Dickey Pitched or DICKEY HIMSELF that convinced them they might see a win that sold them?
In the end you WIN you CREATE STARS that sell tickets.
But you can get them without having them win merely by signing them.
A Broadway play is no different it could have a winning play great reviews but it draws less once the STAR who made the success leaves the production.
The entertainment industry sells based on Star Power…
Doesn’t matter if you CREATE a star or go and buy one.
A BAD play with a good cast will sell more tickets than a good play with an unknown cast.
It is a reality of the entertainment industry most fans around here simply don’t get.
Hope, Expectations, renewals, and NEW SALES are all based on the star power percieved to exist.
Winning creates STARS Players you think are worth seeing and that is what insires renweals or cancelations.
That and your ability to replce those stars when you are forced to lose them.
The NY Mets technically had more “stars” than the St Louis Cardinals…
guess who had higher attendance !
“They drew more in 2009 than they did in 2005 and won less.”
they also opened a new park in 2009?
Stars and flashy off-season moves get you more pre-sale – no doubt about it. But winning sells tickets that are not sold in the pre-season which is a substantial amount
Not even CLOSE to the number of tickets sold before the season starts.
Can’t buy packages, Can’t buy more than 20-30 games worth…
And again it’s all based on the players having good seasons you want to go see or th PROMISE of a continued good season.
But winning isn’t what people go to see because the games they won are over and can NOT been seen by buying a ticket after the fact!
Apparantley Mike Morse is available I’d take his Righty power bat in the Mets lineup but probably wouldnt give up what the Nats would want in return for 1 year worth of his services.
https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/274550769435435008
You think there is any chance they would trade him in division? I can’t see it unless we vastly overpaid.
i agree did u see his response below the link tho lol
Also funny if you follow the Jayson stark twitter link above u see Morse replies to his post lol..
I think he’s like WTF? huh?? lol
I don’t think I can see them. How about a little help?
Its on his page sorry too much to post
https://twitter.com/Dc_BEAST38/with_replies
This is something Mets fans have never seen before. Wright now becomes our version of Ripken, Gwynn, Helton, Chipper or Jeter. He may not become a Hall of Famer, time will tell – but there will be no doubt that he was our player”
Are you seriously this stupid???? Ed kranepool spent his entire career as a met.. If you’re gonna drool about the golden boy at least get your fact stratight.. For someone who likes to correct people on their mistake please ask elders before writing one of your GA articles.
Ohh, see what you did there? You did not wanna mention wright as a HOF yet you managed to mention him in the same sentence with 4 HOF and another guy who you think should be a HOF. you are seriously a pathetic writer..
Where’s the revised version of that article you wrote about franchises and players making $100 million and how is a disaster for teams etc..?? But, no, of course we won’t see it, because doing so you’re trashing down your favorite player DW, so it wouldn’t fit your agenda… Amazing what i’ve seen today…
I’ll save Jessup the trouble. Thanks for the comment Alex!
I guess what I meant Alex was that in the age of free agency where players come and go – the Mets have never kept a lifelong Met which is why I mentioned players who stayed with their respective teams since the mid 1970′s.
Which is why I mentioned Jeter and not Mantle for example.
But as always thanks for reading and commenting! Hopefully Santa brings you that #5 jersey this holiday season and you can wear it proudly knowing he’s on your favorite team for good!
Harder to do that in the NL as well with a position player.
Last one i saw do that was Tony Gwynn
OMG, Jessep, Funny!
Incidentally, did you and others read Vaccaro in the NYP. Basically, he says it’s the right move, but David cannot be the whole plan, just a part of it. Definitely the best Post sports man, IMO, and one of NY’s best sports writers. Here it is:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/signing_wright_good_start_for_the_m4uD7esNYfhGQkilJvrYVK
Wilmer Flores has absolutely no chance at second base. He’s slower than Davis. It’s not even debatable.
My point was, it’s now his only chance most likely. Unless we’re suddenly saying he’s a LF? Which I doubt.
To me, Flores is trade bait right now.
Wow, duh. How did I not notice.
So yeah, his only option now is first base. It would be stupid to trade Davis now…
I agree. Let’s use Davis for the next 4 years to be as competitive as possible. You don’t sign Wright just to trade Ike.
You trade Flores to make “now” better. He’s gotta net you something valuable
You don’t have to trade Flores for a play NOW…
It could also be a good thing to hold onto for another year to let him develop in AAA and see if he can make Wright expendable so you can consider trading him to fill holes without creating one.
You Could of course trade him now and I would not have a big problem trading him for some RHH Power bat for the OF.
If we get that then the complexion around this team changes a lot.
Lineup of:
Tejada (better #2 hitter IMO)
Murphy (Better later in the lineup)
Wright
Davis
Power RH Bat (preferably RFer)
Duda (in LF or platoon with a Hairston)
Kirk or Valdespin in CF (Until Nimmo or DenDekker show they are ready)
Catcher
Would be a good starting point until we find a good leadoff hitter to play CF and move tejada (#2) and Murphy (#6) back.
Then we could entertain trading Duda, Move Kirk to LF. Try and get a good Catcher or Closer out of Duda and solve that issue.
By then we will know what the past two drafts have got us. Either players to replace what we have (2B, OF, SS) and can go from there with a main core of:
Wright/Flores (if he proves to be equal of Wright)
Davis
Harvey
Wheeler
Niese
Tejada/Kid
Murphy/Kid
Thats more players than any of the CORE teams we keep hearing about had at the time.
“It could also be a good thing to hold onto for another year to let him develop in AAA and see if he can make Wright expendable so you can consider trading him to fill holes without creating one.”
So after David Wright signs an extension early this morning, you’re STILL holding on to the idea that he will become “expendable” and get traded?
Really?
You understand that only the Marlins do that right? Only the Marlins are an embarrassment and dump a player a year after a long term commitment. Wright’s going to have no trade protection at minimum in 1 year.
You need to move on from the idea that Wright can or will be traded because this morning ended all of that.
Nope not just the Marlins….
Lots of teams sign a guy to a big contract only to have him replaced when a prospect shows he can replace the old guy without losing any production and get kids from trading the guy under contract.
It’s only your limited thought proccess that thinks that can never happen and be a good thing.
You always trade valuable strength to get what your deficient in, provided you don’t CREATE a hole to fill one, essentially filling NO Holes just moving it around the field.
If Flores hits for a good average and 30 HRs a year then why wouldn’t you keep him and trade Wright for kids then?
I know you turned a corner recently but to go from one extreme and move to WIN NOW and rush to trade Flores before he can be worth more by keeping or trading later is just proof that you really have commitment issues and thats what is driving your opinions of making deals not any actual baseball or business sensibiity….
Just stop.
You’re creating a pipe dream, trying to act like Flores can take Wright’s job in 2 years. The Mets didn’t sign Wright to have him replaced in 2014. Get over it.
Flores’ role on this team unfortunately for his potential talent is as a trade piece. He’s not going to play 3B for the Mets. Wright is the Mets everyday 3B for AT LEAST the next 4 years. Get over it.
I gave no such prediction or timeline regarding Flores…
All I said is that there is NO RUSH to trade him to win in the next year until he proves he is not going to BE a better player than Wright and if he does then you trade Wright for kids and play Flores
For a guy who pissed off an entire site with your inccessant LONG TERM VIEW rants I find it rediculous that you all about the WIN NOW all because of a shattered faith in your one time hero sandy and one FA signing.
and who is going to take Wright 3 years from now at age 33….with a 5 year 100 + million dollar contract??
If Wright is NOT productive 3 years from now…he wont be our Cal Ripken…he will be our A-Rod
haha you’re right on both accounts.
If Flores is in the Mets system to take over for Wright at 3B, something went terribly wrong for both of them.
Look I don’t WANT to see Flores go but it makes sense. Where is he MOST valuable for a big league team? 3B.
The Mets have a 3B signed. Therefore, you see what Flores can net you. It’s logical.
Or if the younger 3B gets you the same performance as the lder more expensive you trade the older more expensive!
You just don’t get that is kind of what you been saying we should do for two years now!
Get Younger by finding kids to replace all those expensive FAs ewe had around here….
Same guys you all wanted to trade him to because of how well he speaks english!
This just means he’ll be our opening day RF in 2013
lol…He is No where near as slow as Ike Davis….his main position prior was SS he wasnt great but he was serviceable there at the toughest position in the infield.
Not to mention 2B is not a speed position…you dont need speed to cover 2B ask Jeff Kent,Brett Boone, Edgardo Alfonzo…hell Daniel Murphy is no burner and this isnt saying much but Flores plays a better 2B than Murph….the main requirements for 2B are good glove,soft hands and a little quickness
reply to this is stupid…..womp womp!
lol…He is No where near as slow as Ike Davis….his main position prior was SS he wasnt great but he was serviceable there at the toughest position in the infield.
Not to mention 2B is not a speed position…you dont need speed to cover 2B ask Jeff Kent,Brett Boone, Edgardo Alfonzo…hell Daniel Murphy is no burner and this isnt saying much but Flores plays a better 2B than Murph….the main requirements for 2B are good glove,soft hands and a little quickness
I’ve seen him play and he’s extremely slow. Scouts that know what they’re talking about give his speed a 20 grade on the scouting scale of 20-80 ( Duda and Davis would be 25-30).
” He’s a 20 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale, and his heavy feet severely limit his range at third base. His hands are fine and he has a strong arm, but his lack of speed leaves first base as his only other option if he can’t handle the hot corner.” – J.J. Cooper of Baseball America
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxTTt7BDq4
Any idea what Mets are planning to do with Valdespin? Personally, I think he sucks, but he provided some heroics with his PH-prowess. News on him?
He saw the contract David got and immediately picked up some Rosetta Stone, permed his hair…and is taking some of that skin cream Sammy Sosa started using last year