18
2012
Giancarlo Stanton Writes His Ticket Out Of Miami, Met Fans Can Only Dream
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In a post for MLB.com, Peter Gammons, Stanton fired away at team ownership, a move that will essentially hasten his exodus from South Beach.
I’m certain that most of you already heard about Stanton’s first reaction to the trade when he took to Twitter and said, “Alright I’m ticked off. I do not like this at all. This is the ‘winning philosophy?”
It turns out that was just the calm before the storm…
Stanton, who just turned 23, didn’t hold back in this exclusive interview:
“They talked about that, a winning philosophy, and how they were building a winner to play in the new ballpark. They talked about me and Jose. They talked about how they’d have Jose and Emilio and Hanley in front of me and how they would go get a bat to protect me.. all three are gone now. I had people warn me that something like this could happen… Again, I do not like this at all.”
Stanton, who led the league with a .608 slugging percentage in 2012, seems to have reached a breaking point with the Marlins:
“Then to say it’s not about money, what is the motivation? Where is that winning philosophy? How many times do you have to be told something and have it change before you realize what’s going on? It’s like the boy who cried wolf. Maybe that’s the business everywhere. But I would like to think it’s not that way. Baseball is about winning. It is about people. When it’s not about winning and not about human beings, I don’t want to be a part of that.”
Winning is something Giancarlo talks about a lot, and he used the word again and again throughout his interview.
“I can deal with losing as long as one is trying to win. If you’re losing and you’re not trying to win, that is not fair. I play to have fun, I play to win, I play for my teammates. There’s nothing I can do. I’m not going to change the way I work out in the offseason and prepare. I’m not going to change the way I approach the game. I’m not going to change the way I play every day.”
With his first year of arbitration looming next offseason, and despite the Marlins denials, Stanton could be jettisoned by next season’s all All Star break at the very latest, although after this tirade he could be gone this Winter.
With the latest version of the Mets’ ever-evolving philosophy now at “keep the arms and buy the bats”, don’t expect Stanton in a Mets uniform anytime soon, but feel free to dream.
Additionally I doubt the Marlins would trade him in the division anyway unless they are completely overwhelmed and blown away, and we all know that’s not happening.
I think Stanton is an absolute stud who is on a Hall of Fame trajectory. (Yes, I just said that.)
If he could hit 37 home runs at age 22, what can we expect from him when he enters his prime years at ages 26-28?
Even more incredible is that he hit those 37 bombs while missing almost 25% of the season and in just 449 at-bats.
I read recently that Stanton’s home runs travel farther distances and leave the park faster than any other player in the major leagues. How perfect that would play out in Citi Field…
I’m thinking the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants or Rangers is where he will end up.
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Nimmo, Cecchini, Lagares, Fulmer, Familia, david wright and sandy alderson and his goons for Giancarlo Stanton…. DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about Warthen? Can we throw him in too?
Seriously, i know it won’t happen as our sorry ass GM won’t even consider a guy like him.. With that being said, i will sit back and watch this offseason unfold. not only to see what exactly our GM has up his sleeves and if he once again fails i wanna see the reaction of guys like dona, TRS, SRT and their desert buddies, jesseP and a few others who were practically kissing the ground where the man walk. most of them said that this was the offseason that’ll make or break their love affair with Sandy Alderson.. We’ll see if it’s true or just like their idol they were lying and blowing … smoke!
LOL, wrong again. But no surprise as you’ve been told time and time again I don’t kiss the ground that anyone walks on. You just don’t want to pay attention as you’d have to change your entire agenda on here.
Wright to Miami? You’re not paying attention – again. Loria doesn’t want any high priced players back. If he had any intentions of paying any of his players more than 1 MIL, he’d have kept Reyes. He’s not interested in building a competitive team. He’s only interested in putting together the 25 man roster for the lowest payroll in MLB.
Alex, just when I think you’ve turned a corner, there you go shooting an underhanded insult to other readers. What am I going to do with you?
how am i insulting anyone?????
Don’t forget to throw yourself in there.
For this year, I would ask Toronto for Bonafacio for a pitcher, put him in CF and lead him off. There will be more than a few teams going for Stanton. Maybe by the time Marlins are ready to deal him, we have enough? We had enough for Piazza from the Marlins.
Dream indeed. We’re not getting Stanton.
However, I don’t think trading within the division concept would stop Loria at all.
Loria will do whatever he believes is best for Loria, the team be damned.
Now that I think about it, you’re right. I forgot to consider that Loria is only motivated by his self interests.
You have to wonder just what it will take for Selig to take a good long look at Loria and possibly make a move to force him to sell.
If we are speaking realistically,this package would net Stanton: Jon Neise, Jeurys Familia, Matt Den Dekker,and possibly Mejia.
The object is the marlins dont want to take on salary. Insert Matt Harvey for Niese, Zack Wheeler for Familia, Brandon Nimmo for Den Dekker and Josh Edgin for Mejia. Now you’re talking.
If it took Wheeler, Familia, Edgin, Valdy and aTapia/Pill type, I’d pull that trigger. Both wheeler and Harvey, I just couldn’t pull myself to do it.
I could. Adios fellas.
“When it’s not about winning and not about human beings, I don’t want to be a part of that.”
If we are speaking realistically than no way would Giancarlo Stanton would ever be on the Mets because those are the 2 elements this saber Front Office does not care about.
See if a winning team will dispose of a top prospect or two for RA Dickey. take those two prospects and couple them with Harvey, Duda and Mejia.
Net-Net
Mets lose Dickey, Harvey, Duda, Mejia and two top prospects that they didn’t have to begin with
and gain Stanton.
That’s actually not a bad idea. If we can parlay Dickey into a deal so we can keep Wheeler and Harvey – even better.
There is a better chance that Bobby Bonilla, Luis Castillo, Carlos Delgado and Julio Franco make the 25 man roster than us getting Stanton.
1 – The Wilpons do not like players who are vocal against ownership. Strike 1
2 – Stanton said “I can deal with losing as long as one is trying to win. If you’re losing and you’re not trying to win, that is not fair.” That eliminates the Mets right there. Strike 2
3 – We would have to give up Harvey, Wheeler, Flores to even get Loria to not hang up in 30 sec
That’s Strike 3
Although I can totally see the Rangers moving on from Josh Hamilton, offering Jurickson Profur, Mike Olt, and 3 pitching prospects.
Done and Done
NOT HAPPENING.. AS MUCH AS I’D LOVE TO GET THE GUY, THE MARLINS WILL NOT TRADE HIM. THIS AIN’T THE NBA WHERE THE SUPERSTAR COMPLAINS THEN GETS TRADED. HE’LL HAVE TO SUCK IT UP AND PLAY FOR THE MARLINS FOR AT LEAST 2 MORE YEARS!
This.
That’s gotta be the most polarizing word that hasn’t been banned…. THIS^^^^
Considering that all I just said was that I agree with your statement. I see no reason why it should be banned or even taken as polarizing.
“With the latest version of the Mets’ ever-evolving philosophy now at “keep the arms and buy the bats”, don’t expect Stanton in a Mets uniform anytime soon, but feel free to dream.”
Joe, call me crazy, but the Mets FO is not THAT stupid not to jump into the Giancarlo sweepstakes. EVERYONE will be in “preliminary talks” with Loria all winter. Just watch.
What will REALLY bring Giancarlo to the Mets is at least 3-4 top prospects so you may be talking….
-SP Zack Wheeler
-SP Johan Santana (eat 60-75% of his salary)
-3B Wilmer Flores
-SP Rafael Montero/SP Jeurys Familia (I’d prefer Montero in this swap but I wouldn’t put it past Miami to ask for Familia because of his power arm)
-OF Cory Vaughn
i’d do that trade in a NY Minute. I wouldn’t trade Niese because he’s our lone lefty and frankly the only above-average lefty in sight anywhere in the organization from High Single-A on up. And no way, i’d trade both Harvey and Wheeler . Bringing Stanton to the Mets with those guys gone would be futile. We’d be a 4th place or cellar finisher for next 4 – 5 years.
i think Harvey, Mejia or Familia, Flores, Nimmo, and Edgin would get Loria to listen.
I’d have to take a chance and get him…I’d have to.
Harvey, Familia, Flores and Valdespine.
That’s all I’m willing to do. They could substitute players in and out, but I’d have to keep Wheeler and any younger pitchers I’m keeping. I think that’s fair. A legit number 2 starter at least. A possible closer. Our best minor league bat and a pinch hitting master with a horrible attitude. If they don’t take it, so be it.
Flop Harvey for Wheeler and I’d do it. Harvey has impressed me with his stuff and mental make up. I want him on this team.
Wheeler for Stanton is a no-brainer. The marlins have done business with us before on their 1998 and 2005 salary dumps. they would do it again. At least now we have some minor league talent that other teams want.
Of course in the past when we’ve had pro/anti Steve Phillips arguments here there would be people (like the parrot, etc) who refused to give Phillips any credit for the outstanding trades made during the early part of his tenure. Instead the credit was given to the Marlins for having fire sales.
Anybody remember those arguments? I do
NOW when the Marlins are having fire sales let’s see if Alderson takes advantage. That’s his specialty right? And I bet if he did pull something off it’s because of his genius, his ability to “read” the market (LMAO!) but when Phillips did it, it’s because of the Marlins and not him.
Bayonne,
What great trades are you talking about? Lieter? That’s a grand total of one. Right from the get go he was a disaster.
Phillips was GM when we got Piazza from the Marlins.
Yes, thanks to Doubleday.
Actually you are 100% wrong.
You obviously did not do your homework before you wrote your response. Here is just a few of the trades the GM of the Mets team that were the first to make back to back playoff appearances in their history made right off the bat:
First I’ll start off with Todd Pratt. Funny how you forgot that right? Imagine signing a guy that was delivery pizza one day and virtually the next – well you know the story. If your boy Alderson did that you would be walking around with a permanent woody.
Here’s the first trade he made about 3 weeks after being hired.
- August 8, 1997
Traded Lance Johnson and PTBNL’s Mark Clark and Manny Alexander to the Chicago Cubs for Brian McRae, Mel Rojas, and Turk Wendell
- December 18, 1997
Traded Fletcher Bates and Scott Comer to the Florida Marlins for Dennis Cook
- May 22, 1998
Traded Preston Wilson, Ed Yarnall, and Geoff Goetz to the Florida Marlins for Mike Piazza
…..i know…you’re going to grunt “duh, but that was the Wilponz”…duh….
- July 24, 1998
Signed Melvin Mora as a free agent
Here’s a “good day” since we’ve already read that Alderson had a “good day”
- December 1, 1998
Traded Todd Hundley and Arnold Gooch to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Roger Cedeno and Charles Johnson*
*traded Charles Johnson for Armando Benitez.
- December 1, 1998
Signed Robin Ventura as a free agent
Here’s another “good day” 15 days later:
- December 16, 1998
Signed Rickey Henderson as a free agent
- March 25, 1999
Signed Orel Hershiser as a free agent
- June 2, 1999
Drafted Angel Pagan in the 4th round and Mike Jacobs in the 38th round of the amateur draft
Verdict: Push
- July 23, 1999
Traded Leo Vasquez and Terrence Long to the Oakland A’s for Kenny Rogers
Verdict: Win
And yet here’s another “good day”.
- July 31, 1999
Traded Brian McRae, Rigo Beltran, and Thomas Johnson to the Colorado Rockies for Darryl Hamilton and Chuck McElroy
- July 31, 1999
Traded Craig Paquette to the St. Louis Cardinals for Shawon Dunston
- September 14, 1999
Traded Dan Murray to the KC Royals for Glendon Rusch
- December 11, 1999
Signed Todd Zeile as a free agent
- December 23, 1999
Traded Octavio Dotel, Roger Cedeno, and Mundelein High School’s Kyle Kessel to the Houston Astros for Derek Bell and Mike Hampton
Anyway that’s just some of the moves. Of course he made some bad ones as well and I’m not even listing some of the minor league moves made under his watch (Nelson Cruz, Reyes, Wright, Heath Bell, etc.)
OH! Did I forget the Al Leiter trade? Silly me
Anyway, have a nice evening in Sloatsburg and I hope you like fowl because you can spend the night pigging out on “crow”
To finish this post I will leave you with your words on one condition – everyone must read it and imagine Homer Simpson’s voice..or Barney Rubbles and throw in some “derr’s” and “duhs”
“Sloatsburg Mets Fan November 17, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Bayonne,
What great trades are you talking about? Lieter? That’s a grand total of one. Right from the get go he was a disaster.”
Now go back and snuggle with your Sandy doll and hold it real, real tight.
Bayonne,
You are so incredibly childish and biased. I love how you ALWAYS only include items that may prove your point. Let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good story, right.
First he was dead set against Piazza!!! He went on record saying so. He was forced by ownership to trade for him. The way I remember, it was Nelson Doubleday Jr. Not Wilpon but thats really not worth debating. Either way, this was not his baby. Verdict: (I love how you get to play judge and jury in your own little fantasy. I will do the same.) No credit to Phillips.
Now since you want to go over all the great things Steve Phillips did in his career (because apparently your on a mission to prove that Sandy Alderson is the worst GM in baseball history. I know Al Harazin was better.) I would like to point a few transactions, non transaction, and even comments he made that I guess just slipped by you when you were writing your “Steve Phillips is Great” manifesto. I know they were small and insignificant so I can see why you over looked them.
Alex Rodriguez: He was, perhaps the best player in the game at the time. He went on the record saying he would love to play for the Mets and was even seen at many of the Mets post season games. Now lets put aside the PED issue since that would disqualify nearly everyone. I understand that ARod got an insane, stupid contract, TWICE but the fact that the man was campaigning to become a Met and SP didn’t even reach out to him is terrible, but the fact that he then went on the record to say that, “We already have a shortstop.” when asked why, really makes one question his judgement. The shortstop he was referring to was non other than the immortal, first ballot hall of famer: (wait for it.) Rey Ordonez. Verdict: Are you kidding me? a Brutal Loss!!!
In 2001 Gary Sheffield wanted out of LA (and he was making life miserable for them). He had only 3 team that he could be traded to, one of them was the Mets. The Dodgers asked for another immortal sure to make the Hall soon Jay Payton. Phillips rejected it. Sheff was then traded to the Braves. Verdict: While it we would have missed those many Jay Payton highlights I think Sheff may have been worth it. Thats a loss too.
He traded the very hated and under performing Mel Rojas for the MORE hated and even MORE UNDERPERFORMING Bobby Bonilla. A terrible move by itself but the fact that Mel had 1 year and $5mill left on his contract and Bobby Bo had two years and $13mil make it INSANE. Verdict: Well the fact that Bonilla is still being paid (no fault of SP’s) make this not just a loss but a blowout.
After Mike Hampton walked away (I actually didn’t mind that SP didn’t chase him on this.) He then signed the good but middle of the rotation at best Kevin Appier for 4 years and $44mil. An astronomical number even by today’s numbers. To make matters worse he also signed the human rain delay, Steve Trax. Verdict: a close loss
We had a sweet swinging lefty firstbaseman who was also an excellent fielder named John Olerud. He was a free agant and he even said that he was torn between returning to the Mets or playing in his hometown of Seatle. SP made the choice easy. He offered $6mil. for 3years. The going rate was around $6 to $8mil per year. He signed with Seatle for $7mil per year.
Appier performed relatively well for the Mets the following season and was fairly dependable but we now had a need for a good hitting first basemen (funny how that wasn’t the issue the year before when we had Olerud). So SP traded Appier to the Angels for a broken down and very fat Mo Vaugn. Mo was great with Boston but sucked the rest of the time. The fact that he was making $17mil per year (second only to ARod) makes it even worse. Verdict: Fat loss.
I love the fact that you mentioned the Kenny Rogers trade because Rogers was certainly a good pitcher. He actually went 5-0 for the Mets and some feel we wouldn’t have made the post season without him so Kudos to you Mr. Bayonne (and SP)!!! But what you failed to mention is that Terrence Long was also a productive player, not as good as Kenny Rogers was as pitcher but productive still. The fact that Kenny WALKED IN THE WINNING RUN that sent the Braves to the WS that year make this trade a lot closer than you are letting on. What really bothers me is that you researched this trade but completely overlooked the Izzy for Billy Taylor trade. Same year, same month same two teams involved yet you overlooked that? Strange! Verdict: LOSS
He traded for Robbie Alomar! Verdict: Loss
He resigned Roger Cedeno! Verdict:Loss
He traded Rick Reed for Matt Lawton! Verdict: Loss!
Bayonne, you really should go out and get a new monitor. Apparently yours only shows the items that prove your point(s) and not the ones that disprove them. Either that or you forgot that you not the only one who access to a computer and the internet. I don’t have to wait until the new edition of encyclopdia come out.
Bayonne, My crow was excellent and I thank you for it (I had forgotten some of SP’s better moves. I think I tried to balck them out). I hope you enjoy your $h!t sandwich!!!
Brought the Mets to back to back post season appearances. Period. Sandwiched between 2 pennant runs. Period.
Why do you hate the man? He’s one of the best GMs in club history. The team was successful under his reign. And i DID mention that he made bad moves as well like all GMs. Are you that much of a hateful creep to hate the GM of the team you love that brought it some of it’s most shining moments in it’s history? Are you that much of a hateful idiot? Yet you praise Alderson?
Don’t know what’s in the water at Sloatsburg but I’m sure it’s nothing the Red Cross can’t fix.
And anyway, you said he only made one move which was Leiter. That’s what this thread is about. It’s about a very, very, VERY inaccurate statement by you. Unless you’ve kept your head planted firmly in the sand and totally ignored his record until you just did your research than it was also an intentionally deceptive comment by you. And wrong.
That’s what’s this is about and you were proven wrong. He made a multitude of excellent executive decisions that built those. 1998-2001 Mets teams. And he was GM when Reyes, Wright, & Pagan were signed. Yes he made some bad moves but that’s not going to take away his accomplishments as a Mets GM no matter how much you wish it did, it’s not.
You just flat out hate his success he had with this team. And he had some of the greatest success any Mets GM has ever had. That’s a fact no matter how much you don’t like it.
EZ with the personal insults you fake tough guy! I was wrong in saying you are childish what I meant was your rants and hateful attacks on anyone who disagrees with you are childish. In case you couldn’t tell my entire response was dripping with sarcasm. I don’t hate the man and I think it is very unfortunate what happened to him and his family. I do think he was a bad GM. Apparently the rest of baseball thought the same since he was never even offered a scout position.
Now as far as your concerned, my address is 29 hickory road Sloatsburg NY. You are free tall call me an “idiot” or “hateful creep” all you want but i ask you to not be such a coward and do it to my face. I disagree with many on this site (Alex68 almost all the time and if I’ve ever attacked you personally Alex I appologize) Until you personally meet me, be a man and critique what I write or disagree all you want. Keep the personal crap out of it.
For what it’s worth, it’s not a wise move to publicly post your address. Never know what weirdos could be watching this now and take you up on your offer.
I appreciate your concern but Im ok with it.
“the fact that he then went on the record to say that, “We already have a shortstop.” when asked why, really makes one question his judgement. The shortstop he was referring to was non other than the immortal, first ballot hall of famer: (wait for it.) Rey Ordonez.”
He really chose Rey Ordonez over A-Roid? ROFL!
I thought the Melvin Mora thing was bad but ALEX RODRIGUEZ???
Any GM who hasn’t called and at least checked in on Stanton should be fired… It’s an easy call, he’s the best power hitter in the sport, worthy of many top prospects.
The Marlins simply don’t deserve him. If I was him, I’d keep talking and stirring the pot.
There just is no way it could happen with the Mets. Now, if Omar was still GM…
Don’t lose sight of what Stanton said. It’s the same remarks were heard from R.A., from David and the mood in the clubhouse about “being kicked in the teeth”.
“Then to say it’s not about money, what is the motivation? Where is that winning philosophy? How many times do you have to be told something and have it change before you realize what’s going on? It’s like the boy who cried wolf. Maybe that’s the business everywhere. But I would like to think it’s not that way. Baseball is about winning. It is about people. When it’s not about winning and not about human beings, I don’t want to be a part of that.”
“I can deal with losing as long as one is trying to win. If you’re losing and you’re not trying to win, that is not fair.”
This is something I am convinced Sandy does not comprehend based on his actions, his statements. his analytical way of thinking and his public persona which shows such indifference to anything he can’t see on paper.
That is what Stanton meant about baseball being about winning and about people and when it’s not then it is no longer about human beings.
This is pointless…a pipe dream. Five years ago we all knew that if a player like this was available, the Mets might be able to get him. Now? It’s like we root for the Royals. If a player doesn’t come from the farm system or the trash, the mets aren’t players anymore.
It’s sad, but to get this guy, they’d have to give up their best prospects; which, because there’s no money, is frightening. We’ve been brainwashed. This is NY, this should not be happening.
Wheeler, Flores, Cecchini, Fulmer, & who ever else in the system they would want for Stanton!
Who can blame the guy for wanting out? Jeffrey Loria is, bar none, the worst owner in baseball.
However, he is one of Bud’s boys, so his obnoxious behaviour will be tolerated.
Hey Rich, How are things in Lake Como? I hear you guys got hit pretty hard by Sandy? I hope all is well with you.