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2012
Do Two Wrongs Make A Wright?
An article by Tie Dyed
It was three weeks ago when we elected a president. After a long, nasty, ugly, expensive and bitter campaign we survived and made it to Election Day. And boom! Just like that more than 57 million Americans, those who voted for Mitt Romney, were pissed off. No matter who would be sworn in in January, literally half this nation would be upset. It was really a no-win situation.
The negotiations between David Wright and Mets management also appears to be a no-win situation, primarily for the “Wilderpon’s”
The outcome is really very simple. We keep him. Or we don’t. Either way, someone may wind up looking bad.
The Wilderpons have reportedly offered Wright 6 years/$100 million. Allegedly, David wants more money over a longer term. As both sides play politics and seem to be more concerned about posturing than what’s good for us fans, we, like the American public, are caught in the middle.
Let’s assume we keep Wright. If management meets his terms, it opens up a whole new series of questions. They obviously DO have the money…when needed. Therefore, why did we not make more of an attempt to keep Reyes? If we have the money for Wright, then wouldn’t we also have to make a serious effort to retain our reigning Cy Young winner? Why have we been missing from the Free Agent market for the last several winters?
By locking up Wright and handing over $125-$150 million, as Ken Rosenthal reports, would not the Wilderpon’s have egg on their face? For years they’ve been selling us the line about rebuilding, never missing a chance to remind us they are victims of Bernie Madoff. But then, by signing Wright to such a lucrative deal, they would, in a way, be going back on their original claim of crying poverty. We have no money. We have no money. We have no money. Oh, look—we have money.
If David does ends up walking, then what is the point of all of this? Is this a repeat of how we were lied to last winter? Jose Reyes 2.0. The Wilderpon’s are more concerned about the PERCEPTION of building a winner than actually doing it. If management is attempting to quell a restless fan base by trying to come off looking like the good guys, then isn’t that a slap in the face to all of us?
And what about #5 himself?
David Wright will be 31 on Opening Day. A 7 year extension would carry him through his few remaining productive years and into the twilight of his career. If the Mets sign him for 7, we know that only for 4, maybe 5 at the most, will he be productive.
Also, keep in mind David’s genetic make-up. In spite of the impressive numbers he has put up and in spite of him becoming the best offensive hitter in team history, he’s been unable to shake off a persistent thorn:
Leadership.
Over the years fans and the media have wanted/begged/pleaded/hoped David would become the team leader. Yes, he is the face of the franchise. And yes, he is always willing to talk to the media after a tough loss while his teammates head for the team bus. However, the one constant criticism of Wright has been that he is not a ‘team leader.’ Founded or unfounded, not all players have that in them. And that’s not a knock on anyone. Keith Hernandez was a leader. Cleon Jones was not. But both are beloved. Both have a World Series ring.
However, if the Mets do meet his terms, 7/$150, he will indirectly be putting himself in the crosshairs to become that team leader. With that kind of salary fans don’t just want good stats: they expect leadership.
On the flip side, ask yourself this: If you were David Wright would YOU want to stay here? Like most of us who grew up dreaming of playing in the majors, I’m sure David did also. But as he grew and a major league career seemed inevitable, I’m sure his goal was to win a World Series, not to make as much money as possible.
Money, and yes stats, are not everything to a professional ballplayer. They are wired differently than most of us, ingrained with a competitive spirit to win. I’m sure Ted Williams would have gladly given up 30 points on his career batting average for just ONE ring.
And why should David stick around? Players claim all the time they want to play for one team their entire career. Then they turn around and sign somewhere else, partially for the money but also for the chance to “play for a winner.”
If by some ‘miracle’ Sandy Alderson’s ‘blue light special’ approach comes to fruition and the Mets become competitive, it will take several years at least. And in several years, David’s best seasons will be behind him. Does he want to sit back and spend his most productive years surrounded by players learning the game? Playing for a team that is…ahem…rebuilding?
And if David decides he does want to stick around, at what cost? How much will lack of protection affect his numbers? How much will he be pitched around being the only legitimate threat on a weak lineup? How much will his RBI’s drop if there is no one on base for him? And with this very real possibility, the doubled edged sword of decreasing stats and an increasing salary, will the face of this franchise become its whipping boy? Mets fans also had high hopes for Bobby Bonilla and Mo Vaughn and they came to signify everything wrong with the Mets.
If the Wilderpon’s reach deep to retain Wright, they need to follow through and build a winner now.
I do hope we resign him—at any cost. I also hope we re-sign Dickey. And go after Josh Hamilton as well. Sure, I know I’m living in a fantasy world, but I want to win NOW. I know the Wilderpon’s tell us to wait and be patient. To them I say I’ve been waiting 26 years. I think I’ve been patient long enough.
If we do manage to retain Wright, I will be happy. Ecstatic? No. Even by keeping Wright, we’re really not improving; we’re simply avoiding getting worse. And sadly, that is what we Mets fans have been reduced to. We used to be thrilled to sign a big name. Now, thanks to management’s diminishing expectations, we are thrilled to keep the players we have.
Ohhh, how the mighty have fallen.
About the Author: Rob Silverman
It was 1973 when my dad introduced this 7 year old kid to Baseball and the Mets. It's been a love and passion that has lasted for 40 years, much longer than my first marriage. Since I was little, there've been 2 things I've always dreamed of: 1) Being a successful author and 2) playing right field for the Mets after Rusty Staub retired. Although 4 decades have passed and based on the current condition of the Mets, I have not given up on either dream
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Until he signs i dont trust Sandra dee Alderson. im starting to think the FO is using the media to try and make them look good,and david bad. So they can come back later after they trade him and say we tried!!!
Steve, yeah, so the mets FO is gonna throw $140+ Million to an overrated 3rd baseman who clearly doesn’t deserve that kind of money just for show?? You’ve got to be kidding me. the love for david wright is absolutely pathetic at this point.. how can anybody tell me that paying this guy anything over $100 million is not a super stretch? His best years are clearly behind him, he’s become a 280-300 15-20 70-90 type player and we’re gonna pay him Miguel Cabrera type money??? how idiotic is that? I am in no stretch of the imagination defending this FO, but to say they’re trying to make the golden boy be the bad guy is utterly ridiculous. How much does DW think he’s worth?? Gimme a F******* break
This summed it up.
Nice add with the stats…might be a bit low in my view but the point is true…he is no Cabrera..nor Votto…even questionable is whether he will be as good as Zimmerman going forward.
I like Wright as a player. He is a very good player. He just isnt in that elite class. To pay him the top dollar makes no sense to me. Bad long term contract have put the Mets in a bind many times over the past 20 years. I hope they dont do it again with Wright.
Hi Alex,
Call it damage control – the Mets want to stem the tide of losing even more money and not being able to pay off their debts that the loss of David would certainly help further cause.
This will be a true test not so much of David, but as to the question of the front office’s integrity with the public. If they do not re-sign David and R.A. and continue with the Brandon Hicks-types, at least we can conclude that they either can’t or just simply won’t spend the money. Neither can be proved. But if they do spend the money to re-sign David, then what Rob suggests is true – somehow they found the money to pay David which they didn’t have the past two seasons to obtain more than just the bargain basement rejects Sandy has been coveting.
And with that, then we know the Mets have been lying about not having the money to spend and that it was only the general manager himself who was using that as an excuse not to spend. Don’t forget, Sandy is the one last winter who said the team had lost $70 million the past season and nobody can go after the more expensive players in that type of situation.
I just don’t trust anything Sandy says but if David and R.A. aren’t signed and we go through another winter of discontent, it would at least be a 50-50 chance that the Mets don’t have the money as he says or that they do and he just won’t spend it, probably at the urging of the ownership.
“But if they do spend the money to re-sign David, then what Rob suggests is true – somehow they found the money to pay David which they didn’t have the past two seasons to obtain more than just the bargain basement rejects Sandy has been coveting.
And with that, then we know the Mets have been lying about not having the money to spend”
Somehow they found money to pay David?? Around $40mil is coming off the payroll in 2014 (Bay & Santana) the same year Wright’s contract would begin but you act like its a mystery and accuse them of lying. Maybe I’m missing something here. Why is that such a mystery?
Hi Watchman,
The reasoning behind those thoughts were that the Mets lost $70 million last season and are supposed to be losing another $20 or so for 2012. That makes close to $90 million in losses the past two years – not includng the years prior in which Sandy was hinting the club lost money then as well.
So it would make one believe that before they can begin re-investing in the team, they have to first make up for some of those losses. I don’t think they are going to do that in 2013.
There is also the fact that the Mets were seen as too much a risk to financial institutions to re-finance their loans (the Wilpons had to use their shares of SNY for collateral intead). So not just for re-financing, they can’t get loans even for just re-investment into the franchise as well (MLB said they would not issue the Mets any more loans as well)..
And they still have those actual loans to start paying off with the projection of revenue probably slacking off even more in 2013 and more losses.
With the combination of all of the above, I do not see where they have the money now that they did not have before. Don’t forget, one cannot look at the roster payroll as an entity individual to itself. It is just part of the overall operating budget. That is why they had to re-structure and cut-costs by ten percent last winter. This year they fired Adam Wogan and instead of replacing him, they are having others take over his responsiblities instead.
And Sandy also told us that after the 2011 season, when the contracts for Perez and Castillo, along with it being inferred certain players like Reyes, KRod and/or Beltran coming off the books, he would have more fleixility in payroll. 2011 was only to be a “transition year” as far as not going into the free agent market was concerned. Then, once those contractual obligations ceased, Sandy told us that a team which lost $70 million cannot be expected to pursue expensive free agents.
So you can see why if they suddenly come up with the money to pay David one has to question where they found it for the losses they have experienced of late will not be shed off by no longer having to pay Santana – and don’t forget, Bay’s was only deferred – it is not coming off the books right away.
Joey D.
You sound to me like a very astute baseball man and you articulate your thoughts very well. So you must also know that its not uncommon for big businesses to operate in the red at times. Is it ideal? No. Is it healthy? No. Is it done? Yes. So the point that your making, which is, because they’re still operating at a loss, they should never be able to come up with the money to sign Wright or Dickey, doesn’t really hold true. With Bay and Santana coming off payroll both Wright and Dickey can be signed without increasing the operating losses. So to call them liars, becasue they may actually come up with the money is just absurd.
Once again I hold no allegience to the Wilpons, Alderson, Wright or Dickey. I just want what we all want……I want to see this team win. With or without Wright, with or without Dickey. With Alderson at the helm or someone else. But what I just refuse to do is jump on this bandwagon thats ever so prevalent here. Look, you know as well as I do that we have all been scarred and become victims of this horrendous ownership. And I’m starting to really think it has affected some of our ability to reason with any degree of sensibility.
Hi Watchman,
Thanks for the kind words and please know the feeling is 100 percent mutual. I enjoy the conversations.
If it was just being in the red and nothing more I would tend to agree with you – as we know companies routinely expand and take on further debt while losing money based on what such investment was projected to yield in the long-term. However, it’s more than just annually having (and projected to continue to) lose money; the debt that Sterling Equities accumulated was done so with the expectation of having their half billion dollar investment with Madoff in tact along with those high yielding dividends to help pay them off. Also, there is the fact that the Mets were deemed too risky by investors to re-finance those loans.
So that is the cause of my pessimism. Looking back, we now understand there were signs of how serious the financial problems were back in 2010 when the Mets did indeed ink Jason Bay but at less cost than they would a good starting pitcher which was Omar’s “plan a”. That was followed by his own series of signing inexpensive rejects to fill in as regulars including still young but declining in skills Jacobs, a 35 year old Matthews Jr. and the combination of a 34 year old Baharras and 38 year old Blanco as our backstop combination.
The money they would be paying Wright wouldn’t kick in untl 2014 when Bay and Santana come off the books. Why am I not surprised you don’t realize that Joey?
Hi Fonzie,
What year did you think I was referring to when writing: “will not be shed off by no longer having to pay Santana – and don’t forget, Bay’s was only deferred” – after I first writing “So it would make one believe that before they can begin re-investing in the team, they have to first make up for some of those losses. I don’t think they are going to do that in 2013″? Doesn’t that imply that they were going to have to be making a lot of money this coming season so to have the money to spend in 2014?
I am not going to subject others to any personal battles we have other to say that you probably made such a mistake in your overzealous attempts to humiliate me.
Joey D.
I didn’t mean to stir up any personal battles between anyone here. But I will cut to the chase without going through a whole litany of $$$ numbers because neither you or I are the comptroller of Sterling Equities.
It just confounds me why anyone would view the Mets ability to come up with money to sign Wright and/or Dickey, as a negative thing – - – ask why the money wasn’t there 2 years earlier and call them liars if its there now. I look at it as a positive thing (the spending, not necessarily the signing of Wright) and hope that its a sign of more spending to come. You know me Joey….the glass is always half full
Hi Watchman,
Please don’t concern yourself with what other people might do. That is out of your control, just like it is for either of us to know the true financial situation of the Mets ledger book.
From what has been reported, I just don’t see how the financial situation has gotten any better for them since 2011. Whatever the civil suit decision was going to be, it would be contested and therefore take many years before the Mets had to pay back anything, so all the settlement did was not to add to their financial headaches – though that $162 million agreed figure on top of everything else didn’t help matters, either.
One could think that with the ten percent downsizing in all areas not related to the team payroll and the reduction in payroll itself that the Mets at least would have some flexibility to re-sign David and R.A. but the fact that this summer they did not attempt to negotiate and settle the $40,000 dispute over slot money for their number two draft pick does only add to my negative attitude.
But hey, I’m a glass being half-full guy too. Don’t forget, I didn’t look at them as playing over their heads in either 2011 or 2012 – I saw them as legit post-season contenders undone by the front office. I was even upset when they decided to cut John Maine!
It’s just that I wish I could see the glass half full in this case instead of leaking further.
Ciao
“280-300 15-20 70-90 type player”
numb-nuts, in case you haven’t noticed they play in a different, bigger park. and the lineup isn’t anything close to what it was in 06-08. those numbers are equivalent today to what he did in shea in that lineup 4-6 years ago. A concept you still have yet to grasp. David Wright is still the same player. and now a much better defensive one.
Take Granderson out of that park and out of that lineup and he’s not a 40 home run player. I can give you other examples if you want.
This is stuff I don’t expect you to know, that’s why I figured I’d share.
Also funny how when this was Jose you were having a fit along with everyone else that it wasn’t getting done. Jose isn’t the player Wright is, and certainly won’t be when they are 36-37.
I have to try hard to not let you make me dumber.
I like David Wright but let’s face it if the Mets commit to a seven year contract in excess of 100 million it cripples options that the team could have in the FA and trade market. If Wright was 28 he is 35 at the end of his contract and he gave the Mets the best years of his baseball career. I have read everything about this subject in the last month or so and it pains me to say this but I would not do the deal for the following reasons:
1. Even with Wright we are not a contender for probably three more years and as the author said his best years are behind him.
2. We are not a ballclub with gobs of money to spend. Just look at our minor league signings so far.
3. We are not serious players in the FA market for guys like Victorino or Bourn or Upton. We can go after guys like that by trading pitchers that have the potential to make us one of the best rotations in baseball.
4. By signing Wright we will keep a Gold Glove 3rd baseman but we’ve had that with him and look where it got us.
Having said all that David Wright has the Mets over the proverbial barrel. We have no legitimate 3rd baseman to fill his shoes and without paying a high price through the trade route we would have to get by with what we have in a good player like a Jason Turner. It is for this reason that David Wright gets his contract and we con tinue to be a 500 ballclub.
It’s one of those situations that can simply go either way. I love David Wright and could certainly find worse players to sign to a long term deal…..the flip side is that you wonder what the Mets could get back in a package deal. The worse case scenerio is that the Mets wind up with neither Wright or a package for the future and he simply walks away. The difference between Jose and DW has a lot to do with Reyes constant injuries and immaturity in my opinion. He was never a leader and David is.
I want him on the team but also recognize the importance of the future so trade Dickey and Wright now get 4,5 or even 6 players that you can line your team with in the future and move on.
He was never a leader and David is”
LMAO!!!! Leader of what??? All that talk is garbage, when the mets were winning his legion of fans were drooling over how he’s a leader blah blah blah, but as soon as he disappear in the second half and the mets sank alone with him there were no such talk anymore.. save the lovey dovey comment for the i love #5 blog you guys probably have.. Leader my ass…
FYI, leaders don’t show up their managers the way david allen wright did, immature players do that..
maybe he meant David Wright is a liter of soda
It doesn’t matter if the “fans” think he’s a leader or not, it’s the guys in the clubhouse, and many have come out and said he’s the leader in that clubhouse, including the well respected RA Dickey.
Funny how having words with a manager IN the dugout is showing up the manager, but Reyes throwing his mitt On the field after an error with Delgado, and arguing ON the field with Jerry Manual was ok. WOW not too biased.
What are you going to do if and when this deal goes through? Blow a blood vessel? Complain every day for the next 7 years saying the same thing?
Reyes is gone, get over it. If having a career .300 hitter, 6 time All Star is overrated then I’ll sign up for that every day.
Don’t like the guy, that’s your right, calling the guy overrated and a choke artist every day, well that’s just inflammatory and ignorant.
Hi Doug,
The trading of Wright and Dickey this off season are 2 very different situations. In Dickey’s case, yes I believe we can get a prospect or 2 that could have an impact on the team moving forward. In the case of Wright, not so much. So this idea of Wright netting us a boat load of prospects is an illusion. The big difference being their option year salary. Dickey will clearly be a bargain to another team. With Wright, I’ll just say that at $16mil. his salary is about right where it should be. I think thats the very reason we’ve already heard Jeff talk about letting him play out his option if a deal can’t be made, he really won’t net us anything that good. It all goes back to the PR war. If the Wilpons feel they can’t keep him at any cost, they don’t want to take the PR hit they’ll take it the face of the franchise is traded, especially if there’ll be no good value coming back in the trade.
Once correction: Wright will be 30 opening day…not 31.
Hi Taskmaster,
You were not wrong, David will be 31 on opening day – it’s just which one.
Since you didn’t specify an exact year, we can give you the benefit of the doubt you were thinking of 2014, after his contract runs out.
Hey, who’s your buddy?
Hi again, Task.
Didn’t realize you were correcting Rob and so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for the same reason I originally gave to you.
Sorry Task, hope I’m still your buddy as well as with Rob!
You’re correct Taskmaster. He WILL be 30 Opening Day. My bad.
I suck at math.
Thanks for the heads-up
LOL
I stopped reading at about the third paragraph
I wish I had stopped when you did because the writer actually went on to say this regarding Wright:
“I do hope we resign him—at any cost”.
At any cost????? Are you kidding me? I just LMAO and don’t get it. How any fan of the team could have such a disregard for the foolish spending of money just puzzles me. And not understand how another bad contract will negatively impact the team moving forward. Haven’t we done this enough?
People used to say the same thing about the Yankees just before they went onto appear in 17 post seasons and multiple World Series’
I guess you missed the point that the MLB does not limit how much you can spend only attendance can limit you.
And if you spend the attendance will come to pay and see it.
Cause not only will they come to se the new guys they will stay when those guys produce and help you win games.
Yes Metsie……the Yankees did have a tremendous amount of success spending money through the years. But if you analyze the game over the recent past, spending tons of money is not working as well as it used to. The Yankees payroll has been close to $200mil the last 3 years and they haven’t sniffed the World Series. The Red Sox spent wildly and were met with failure only to dismantle the team. The Marlins, all within a year, did the same thing. There’s a way to build a healthy franchise and its not just with money alone.
I am not opposed to spending and I would much rather our beloved Mets become big spenders once again, but it has to be smart spending this time.
Not working as well as it used to?
Was thier appearance in the playoffs last year revolked by the league and I just missed it?
Why does everyone assume that the more you spend the more you HAVE to win by?
Your still limited by 25 roster spots, can only play 9 players in a game at any given time and all those things the MLB DOES limit that is NOT money….
Money is a COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE….
It’s use is NOT limited by the MLB.
And if you want to win often and consitently the key is to take every advantage available to you.
Now you can suggest the Mets don’t have that advantage but not because they spent too much but spent badly.
And the solutions Sandy has employed has not rid us of the BAD spending just the good!
The BAD spending in Bay and Santana remains doesn’t it?
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There goes Metsie again, talking about how making the playoffs is good enough.
But what the A’s did in the early 2000′s didn’t work because they didn’t win a world series.
Keep contradicting yourself my man. It’s entertaining.
Yes CB it is pretty easy to entertain pinheads like you!
Yankees made 18 in 20…How many did those One armed pinheads in Oakland get in again?
How many World series’ Remind us all of the MIGHTY MONEYBALL A’s past accomplishments when compared to the Yankees why don’t you?
No? Don’t want to even try?
Didn’t think so pinhead!
And there he goes again arguing with me when I’m actually agreeing with him…..LMFAO
Well the you mistyped what you meant and meant that Spending now works just as well as it used to if you agree with me….
Is that what you meant slappy?
You forgot to mention the Red Sox traded a top 1B prospect Anthony Rizzo…to get back a 2nd generation 1B in Adrian Gonzalez…
then they allowed Youk to hang on too long….
they sign Carl Crawford to play LF….and gave up on their prospects…
they became impatient and forgot what led to their success.
the same thing is happening in Philadelphia.
the same thing will happen in the Bronx
they punted on Austin Jackson at age 21 to get a few prime years out of Curtis Granderson…
Austin at age 25 is looking like he is getting ready to breakout…
Curtis is on the decline..
now the Yankees dont have any solid OF
side note: right now…the free-agent market will be void of any real 1B for quite some time…
this could be a good time to sell Duda if they have leverage.
Texas needs a 1B
Tampa needs a 1B
St. Louis needs a 1B
Milwalkee needs a 1B
Arizona needs a 1B
Duda looks like the positional player equivalent of Mike Pelfrey
send him to Pittsburgh or KC or watch him suck arse in NYC
“the same thing will happen in the Bronx”
People have been saying that for a decade and yes EVENTUALLY they will be correct but I will take the 20 Years of Playoff relevance while we wait for the spending to finally collapse….
Oakland, Pittsburg, Kansas City, Tampa Bay….
NOT spending hasn’t given them even CLOSE to the same results as the spending the Yankees have done has and truth is it’s not even close to the competitive consistency of all those other teams you mentioned either…
What is MORE significant is they manage to spend and not lose money while doing so which really says the spending WILL support itself and there is no need to limit yourtself for doing things on the cheap which puts you at a disadvantage from all the teams who don’t do that….
Like the Yankees….
Like the Phillies
Like Boston…
Well considering the definition of resign is:
Voluntarily leave a job or other position.
Give up (an office, power, privilege, etc.).
Synonyms:
give up – quit – relinquish – abdicate
I think you’re OK.
Your supposed to teach History not English….
If a dash missing bothers you so much then put them in yourself.
You might not realize but people posting from tabs and phones don’t have easy access to the dash key without doing keyboard gymnastics….
But then again you wouldn’t know since your using State finded computers and internet access to make your posts during class….
Funded and no I am sure the bailout paid for them.
No more like the county who got stuc kwith an unfunded state mandate that sticks us property owners with the bill for education that does more posting on Met Blogs than it does teaching history.
Hey if you want to take the line of the Federal Government staying the hell out of education I am right there with ya.
No I’m taking the position of the Tx Payer who pays incresing taxes for declining schools and learning….
probably due to waste of assets like internet and paying for blog postings that usually don’t offer much educational value, just reviews of those who are posting not on someone else’s dime..
I laugh at all the “leader” remarks everyone always makes…Beltran was never a “leader”, no wait he was, no maybe not because he’s not a cheerleader…no wait, every player insisted how much time and effort Beltran put into helping his teammates on the side…
Reyes wasn’t a leader, but wait was he?…no because he was a big cheer leader, but not a moral leader…but wait…he brought all the energy to the team…is that leading? Wait…he did a lot with some of the younger Latino players coming up….but Reyes was a trouble maker…but he never once got into trouble…expect for not wanting to come out of a game because of a minor tweak to his leg…but isn’t that showing heart and commitment?
Wright is a leader or not because of blah blah blah….it’s the same old garbage…
The fact is, there are several different types of leaders… some will stand up and take all the heat from the media…some are big cheerleaders on the bench…some will just put up a great example that others see and follow…while others will go out of their way to help their teammates and others will find a player or two and mentor them.
Sadly, we can’t sit here and judge who is a leader because we really don’t know…we aren’t in the clubhouse or on the bench…we aren’t in the batting cages or out there running drills…
Leaders aren’t made or assigned…leaders are people who do what they do because something in them drives them to do it…and because of that , other people follow and/or learn.
What’s my point? Being a leader is overrated by fans and the media…results matter…Franco was a leader, but once he started to suck, he had to go…if you let one leader leave, then another one will fill the void…it’s human nature…I’m not trying to minimize the importance of having good leaders…but we can’t base our judgment on what a baseball player is worth because of assumed leadership skills. Especially when we have no clue, only the players who play with them know if someone is a leader…and sometimes not even then…
and inversely, the “clubhouse cancer” labels ( which magically seem to attract a certain type of player ) is way overblown.
Very interesting and enjoyable take on leadership but I might add it is a much overused moniker. To me it is not leadership but RESPECT. Players respect a player that plays hurt and if it was them to protect their careers and contracts would be on the bench, respect is knowing that your pitcher threw at the last guy up and you are the first guy up to face the opposing pitcher who is going to throw at you and you stand in there without flinching and take it like a man, respect is hanging in there at 2nd base when a guy comes in spikes high and yes respect is for a guy like Jason Bay who slammed into walls to catch a ball in a meaningless game and wound up with a concussion. Every team has at least one guy the other guys respect and they mistakenly call them leaders but it really is the most respected guy on the team like Derek Jeter, a Chipper Jones, Carlton Fisk, and the best of them all Lou Gehrig. David Wright is in that category and when he went off on Terry Collins in the dugout after being pulled from the game, he earned respect. Every team needs one and he is that guy for us.
Reyes willing to play through an injury = being childish
Beltran willing to play through a quad injury = being soft
Wright getting in Terry’s face = fiery leader
i think we all agree that the media spits out some BS…
Reyes wasn’t called childish because he wanted to play through a possible injury, Reyes was called childish because he refused to get off the field and showed up his manager in his 1st game as manager on the field. Wright got in his managers face in the dugout not on the playing field. Wright got on Terry for pulling a bush move by lifting him so he won’t get hit in retaliation for Braun.
You’re no better than the small faction of Met fans you’re always stereotyping as all Met fans. Why was broken english speaking Edgardo Alfonzo one of the most popular and revered Met players of alltime? Why were so many Met fans, white fans included holding up signs outside and inside of Citifield to please resign Reyes? Please don’t trade Jose!
Why was Mookie, Doc, Cleon, Agee and Clendenon some of the most popular and beloved Met players in franchise history? Why was white faced Jeff kent one of the most hated Met players of alltime? You’re stereotyping an entire fanbase for the actions of a small faction of Met fans. You’re just as guilty as they are.
If you give the media a hard time or don’t make yourself accesible to them then they’re going to make your life difficult no matter how fair it is. Just ask Eddie Murray who was made out to be a villain everywhere he played but his teammates loved him everywhere he played. He was a jerk to the media.
“If you give the media a hard time or don’t make yourself accesible to them then they’re going to make your life difficult no matter how fair it is”
and yet Jose Reyes in a bad year…got none of that in Miami..
Carlos Beltran got none of that in KC..SF…StLouis…
Angel Pagan got none of that in SF…
Luis Castllo got none of that in FL and Minny…
Delgado got none of that from the Toronto media…the Florida media…
But feel free to tell yourself that Reyes would not be called childish for screaming on his manager and pointing fingers in his face whether it was on the field, in the dugout, in the clubhouse…
Were you in all those cities when those players were there? You know exactly how they were treated by the media in those cities? You know if they were media friendly in those cities? You’re comparing the size of the media in those cities?
Delgado didn’t catch heat when he was with Toronto for protesting the US Military testing weapons on PR soil? None of those citieshave 1/10th the media circus NY has. Delgado caught heat here because he would talk to the media when he went 3 for 4 with 2 HR’s and 4 RBI’s and when he would go down leaving the tying run on in scoring position bolt out of the clubhouse.
Beltran and Reyes also ducked the media at times too leaving Floyd, Wagner, Wright and LoDuca to face the music. Beltran also got off on the wrong foot with fans by offering to play for the Yankees for 6 yrs and 100 million after Omar and Boras agreed to a 7 yr 119 million dollar deal. He also had a lousy 1st year.
Was Beltran treated fairly by a large portion of Met fans? Absolutely not but again that’s not all Met fans. There’s a lot of Met fans who appreciated him as well and considered him the best OFer in club history. Yes you have the assholes who never forgave him for the Wainwright hook. It had nothing to do with his ethnic backround. There were plaenty of Latino and Black players in the teams history that were adored by the fanbase.
Stop stereotyping the entire fanbase over a small percentage of asshole fans that every fanbase has. And no I don’t think Reyes would’ve been called childish had he handled that in the dugout instead of making his manager look bad in his very first game right in front of 45,000 people in the stands. Even G K and R made mention about it.
Great post. But every now and then a leader comes along and we don’t have to be in the club house to know it………Keith Hernandez
Sadly, I think the days of having a Mex type leader are long gone. Players bounce from team to team too much and young talented players are being raised to believe that they are better than everyone else and they are special and exempt from the rules (and they are many times) because they have a special skill in a sport.
They are so convinced of their own greatness and become millionaires at such a young are and long before they ever produce anything that believe they already know everything and don’t need the tutelage from an older player or coach.
I’m not saying it’s every player, but enough that is effects they way clubhouses are run.
Look at Millage and now even Spin…both have a ton of talent, but both had to be put in place by the vets on the team and both couldn’t understand why and both cried about it. I don’t know if they’d ever be anything good, but what if they played the game like a David Eckstein?
Look at guys like TO and Roandy Moss…both could have been known as the best wide receivers of their generations. Sadly, with all their skill and success, they will be known as much for their issues and for their cancer attitude then anything they did on the field. No leader could have ever “fix” the problems these guys had (although Chris Carter did a good job keeping Moss in check for a while).
The Day of the leader is not gone it’s just harder to find them because with the NEW SCHOOL looking at AGE/SALARY over Batting Average to judge who to keep any leader gets traded or leaves for the money from whoever it is he was leading, and when he gets to the new place the NEW GUY doesn’t just step in and say I’m in charge…
The days of EVERY team having a leader is gone though….But that has as much to do with no one playing for the same team for more than 8 years than the fact there are no leaders.
Why does everyone seem to think that signing an extension with Wright means the team (not the wilpons, it is the Mets) suddenly have more or spare money?
They said this year and confirmed for next year that the budget they can handle is right around what they are spending (~100 million), based on cash flow, debt payments, etc.
Wright is already part of the 2013 budget at 16mill. And this propossed extension is for something around 18mill/year, so a negligable raise.
Since Bay (mostly), Santana (all) and Wright are coming off the books after, all the team is doing is pre-spending ~18mill of that freed up money. Does not mean they have any intention (or ability) to increase payroll. If they really felt like it, they could keep Wright and Dickey at ~13/year, and still lower payroll (wouldn’t be adding anyone else of course)
This.
I agree…
and my argument with Wright has nothing to do with money…
it doesnt even have to do with the supporting cast either…his performance is NOT tied into the people in back of him.
When Wright was hitting like gangbusters, Duda and Ike were struggling in back of him..
When Ike started getting hot…Wright slumped.
This has everything to do with the fact that the guy at 3B can be replaced by Murphy internally…and can bring back prospects to help out in CF or C or SS ( which would move Tejada to 2B )
The Mets can afford Reyes, Wright, Dickey, Beltran, and Pagan. Reyes is a top 5 SS, Beltran is still a top 10 OF, Pagan is a top 5 CF in baseball now…
all we got back for those 3 were Wheeler and Pawlecki
With Toronto interested in Reyes, we probably could’ve gotten back Travis D’anard
Travis D’anard>>>> Kevin Pawlecki’s value
Even when Ike started hitting in the 2nd half all you had to do is pitch around Wright and then bring in a Lefty to nuetralize Ike. Ike will have to be able to eventually hit LHP to be able to protect Wright or else Wright will never get anything to hit late in games in RBI spots. Wright ook the walk in the 1st half but he started fishing in the 2nd half.
And if we had gotten a power right handed hitter to put behind Ike then they could only do it once and have to blow through two pitchers to get two outs….
Sure they could walk Wright for the priviledge of facing the next two but they would still have to face them.
Eventually they will run out of LHP to throw at Ike and then what do they do?
Pitch to Wright!
Don’t put him on so Ike can drive him in.
But thats not what happened..
Lefties and Righties were getting Wright out, right away
When Wright had no protection, they did pitch around him…and he took his BB like he was supposed to…
and your theory only applies to relievers…
No one is bringing in a lefty specialist in the 3rd inning champ..
sorry…but the theory of Wright lacking protection as being the reason why he sucks in the 2nd half carries no water now.
The Mets changed their dimensions for him…
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His back is fine
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Ike was one of the best power hitters in the NL in the 2nd half
#TryAgain
I’m talking about late in games in key spots. Ike couldn’t sniff a lefty all year. And he’s worse against lefty relievers. No manager is going to let Wright beat his team in those spots. He’s not gonna get pitched to because they’re bringing in a lefty to get Ike out which is what happens about 80% of the time a lefty reliever is brought in. Wright needs to not get himself out in those spots. He did it in the 1st half and fell into his bad habits in the 2nd half. It’s a fact. Ike was dreadful against LHP. His 2nd half power surge was almost entirely vs RHP. Oh and BTW I never said the lack of protection was the reason why Wright sucked in the 2nd half. I said In order for Ike to offer protection in the lineup for Wright he needs to hit LHP. Do keep up!
“I’m talking about late in games in key spots”
Solution…SCORE EARLIER when they don’t bring in the lefty!
Your more concerned about one late AB that you are with the other three….
Keep Up!
Great analysis.
Yes your entire point about Ike Protecting Wright is only valid for ONE AB! The one they decide to throw a Lefty at Ike.
The rest of the game he has no problems protecting Wright now does he?
I believe that part of the reason that Wright has never been seen as a kind of “fire-n-brimstone” leader is b/c THAT is not part of his makeup.
I am also arguing that he’s seen himself as too young to be more of an “in-your-face” type, but that really started changing last year. Could be we watch the games and interactions differently, but I constantly see Wright going over to players, esp. the rooks, when they are in trouble, screw up, etc. Think of how many times he’s handled Davis!!! That’s what a leader does.
For what it will be worth to the Mets, I think that you will see Wright step up in the leadership role with his place and future cemented along with his maturity.
What can I say, I agree with all of the opinions about his not being a superstar, but he’s a very valuable player and anchor to the team, organization, fan base.
As I’ve said many times before, if he puts up really solid numbers for 7-8 more years as a Met, there’s a strong possibility he is our next HOFer.
I hope he remains a Met.
Your comments are spot on. Can you imagine a David Wright coming to Citi Field in the uniform of a Diamondback or a Mariner or whatever. I just can’t picture it. One of my favorite players was Dale Murphy and at the enf of his career he tried to hang on to get 400 home runs and went to the Phillies. When I watched him in that Phillie uniform it looked so odd and I knew it just wasn’t right. It’s like Jeter in a different uniform. Can you imagine?
Can you imagine David Wright being a 20 mil player 3 years from now?
I cant
He’s not a $20mil player now!
Tie Dyed,
On opening day 2013, DW will be 30. He will be 31 on opening day 2014.
You’re correct, TJ. My bad. 30 on Opening Day.
I suck at math.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that the REASON Wright is asking for as much as he has is BECAUSE of the current sorry state of the team and if you are not guaranteed a ring might as well at least get riches?
By demanding a lot of money in a sense he is also pushing the ownership to make sure they work on building a team that can win enough to pay that bill and draw fans to the stands.
The argument that it is not worth paying Wright if thats all your going to do is not wrong at all.
Wright probably is not worth paying that kind of money if we intend to stay on the course we have for the last two years.
But I will also point out that the same people who say that are also saying that if we don’t spend it on Wright we will be able to spend it on something else instead…
Well thats just wishful thinking and NOT going to happen at all…
We have saved over 55 Mil in salary the past two years and we STILL have not gotten an inch of spending wiggle room out of it.
And will not EVER respend that money until such time as they get enough attendance to cover the costs of playing.
If Wright goes that is not going to happen anytime soon.
As for the notion that if we sign Wright we need to WIN NOW, well…
Not NOW but at least be in the game within the next two or three years.
And the truth is if you can’t rebuild a team in 2 or 3 years you can’t really do it in 5-10 either.
Not unless you start that time period with annual top 10 picks and a few First overalls among them the way Cashen did.
So it’s time for Met fans to get off the fence about what they want to see happen.
You want to keep Wright then you have to reenter the world of FA and start spending some bucks and that mans you have to stop all this Wilpo-nazification and feeble boycotts and start buying tickets again so they have the money to win in the next few years.
You want to cash out on Wright then be prepared to wait another 10 years while we drop to the basement and collect those top 10 picks that 4-5 years after selection will be ready to play in the MLB (IF your lucky as Cashen who was a far better baseball guy and only hit on 2 of 5 when he was here)
Maybe in that 10 year vacation from baseball the Wilpons that are so hated will have to sell and you get a bonus to be thankful for…
But again all wishfull thinking.
In the end Wright himself is not enough to make you competitive
trading Wright won’t get enough back to change that either
Unless you plan to spend to get and keep talent your headed to the basement and no matter how WELL you think this GM is doing there is no way in hell he will still be here after we earn the FIRST top 10 first round pick let alone 5 of them!
So really Met fans it is time to have a heart to heart with yourself and decide what you really want.
Keep Wright (price be damned) and more spending to help make the next 5 years at least watchable
Or set him free, Give up baseball for a decade.
Choice is yours!
Agree with many of your points here, Metsie. Especially those concerning the money.
‘We have saved over 55 Mil in salary the past two years and we STILL have not gotten an inch of spending wiggle room out of it.’
Agree. I don’t understand the mindset of some fans who are assuming that just b/c they might extend both Wright and Dickey, they’re suddenly out of the woods on the financial front.
Well the mindset is quite simple to explain and they aren’t wrong at all in thinking that way….
If you have the money to extend Wright to that kind of money then why couldn’t they get someone BETTER in the last two years for that same money, Maybe make a playoff to solve thier win/attendance issues and then sell off Wright for the same kids you might get now or see that you have the money to keep him without having to take a loan out to pay the bill….
If the money is there for Wright then why wasn’t it there to get someone better the last two years.
We could have had Beltran back for 5 Mil cheaper than Wright is probably getting.
And on a deal that would take us no further past 2014 than the contracts we have on the books now.
Could have used some of that money to get REAL bullpen arms or Catcher or OFers in the meantime that might have been enough to make the entire 2012 season wrth going to and solving the financials via increased revenue instead.
So they DO have a point here if the money is there why have they waited unti two years were wasted, two years where a little spending could have made for some competitive season past July.
Why did they wait so long to show it especially since the money is actually there to spend?
The money isn’t all there to spend – hence the ‘deferred’ money being report that’s part of the offer.
They slashed 50 MIL from the payroll coming into 2012. The only thing the really could have done differently was go all in and do a total rebuild. Trade anyone worth of value, including Wright. Problem with that was, other than Wright who had much value?
Couldn’t dump Johan’s or Bay’s contract. Could have traded Niese and Dickey but prior to the end of 2012, probably wasn’t getting much back for Dickey.
Ike maybe but given his injury season of 2011 and his poor start to 2012, that would have been selling low.
No one else was really worth all that much. For example, could have traded Duda but you’re only getting back a Duda type in return.
Only thing left after that was the prospects, which other than some pitching are pretty slim.
“Problem with that was, other than Wright who had much value? ”
So what does that tell you about the rebuild path they chose?
Good Idea or UNFEASABLE?
Hence the notion that cutting couldn’t solve the problem because you couldn’t cut enough to make a profit and the ONLY way to solve financial issues was to increase revenue.
How do you do that?
Win? sure! how?
By not giving up on a team playing .593 baseball in June and getting it some help to make July-September competitive and profitable.
Use the money made to maybe make that team even better the following year so that April-June are also revenue generating months.
You can’t say they had no way to trade the two big problems and then say they should have gone down the path the would only work if you COULD trade them….
You can rebuild AND spend which is what I have been saying for two years now.
Spending doesn’t hurt your ability to draft well.
Doesn’t hurt (in fact may help) your ability to develop better because your not forced to rush prospects like Kirk, Valdespin or Duda before they are really ready.
So to say they had no choice so they made the choice with the least amount of success because it could not do what really NEEDED to be done (get rid of the Santana and Bay albatrosses hanging around our financial neck) and instead cut all the PRODUCTIVE salaries instead and in doing so got only ONE prospect out of the deal for three all star players.
If thats what you got for three all stars then why does anyone think we are going to fix this team by trading Wright for kids?
‘You can’t say they had no way to trade the two big problems and then say they should have gone down the path the would only work if you COULD trade them….’
O.K., don’t know what you’re saying here above but my point still stands. Either go all in and rebuild from the ground up or spend the money/make the trades necessary to compliment what we already have.
Since they’re doing neither, I can’t help but think the Wilpons #1 goal right now is holding onto the team. Competing? Not so much….
Well you say they had to trade or cut salary yet the only salary they cut was GOOD salary leaving only the BAD salary on the books….
Was that a good idea?
Did that solve the problem?
If not then it wasn’t a good idea and they should have done something different instead that WOULD solve the problem.
Or at least get MORE for what they cut/traded than they did….
In both cases they failed, thier solution didn’t work.
And you say it couldn’t have worked because the reduction in Salary they needed to purge they couldn’t purge.
So when deciding on what to do why take the road you know can’t be done or achieved?
If you couldn’t trade/cut salary on Bay or Santana then you were not going to succeed going down that cut/trade path.
Yet we took it anyway.
You know what is funny.. all of the sudden wright is offer a ton of money and i have not heard SRT said anything about the wilpons being broke or that is their fault whenever sandy does a bad transaction..
You have now.
I have what??? I seriously am starting to see what others say about you.. Whatever don’t fit your agenda you don’t comment on it. The wilpons are broke is your excuse for every SA mistake since he’s been here, now wright is being offered a ridiculous contract and not a peep from you because it’s the golden boy we’re talking about here, i am sure according to you his dimples alone are worth all that money.. SMH
Jesus, Alex. Look above. I did respond to Metsie’s post above. You know, some of us correctly use the reply button on here…..
POW! ZING!
Srt may be many things but I never took her for being stupid….
Misguided, too forgiving of the guy who is paid to do what is best for the team and the fans and putting all the hurt on the owners who only cut the checks the GM asks them to pay….
While it is easy to say the Wilpon’s stopped Sandy from spending can you name a single player that Sandy went to bat for and said this guy is worth having since he got here?
Even from another team?
Obviously not!
‘Misguided’ would just be an opinion regarding this subject.
Just because I don’t publish daily hate rants on the FO – as the coeur does – doesn’t mean I’m a ‘Sandy lover’. As I’ve stated many times, he’s just the messenger. Let’s put the blame where it belongs.
You guys are welcome to agree or not agree with my opinion. I’ve seen no argument yet on here though that would make me change my mind.
I never said you were SRT…
But you did help thier cause by blaming the WIlpons more than the GM for what was happening…
Did you intend to help them? I didn’t think so but you did help them deflect criticism when it comes right down to it…
They pounced on that like Vulters on Road kill because thier logic of Rebuilding stopped working for them and then the Wilpons are to blame became thier mantra as well…
That’s because I firmly believe this is mostly all on the Wilpons, not the FO.
Yes but facts seem to suggest you are wrong on that front.
I will ask you the same question…
Name the player Sandy wanted and fought to get that the Wilpon’s denied him from getting….
Can you think of one?
If not then you can’t really say Wilpon held Sandy back from making any moves because he hasn’t WANTED to make any moves they said NO CANT DO THAT Sandy sorry….
I don’t see what naming a player proves.
I firmly believe there was a budget, which included slashing 50 MIL from the payroll coming into last season. From there, SA was probably more or less free to do what he chose. Hard to do much when you’ve got multiple holes and only 10 MIL or so to play with. Hence, Reyes walking – IMO.
I’m not saying all those dumpster deals are all on the Wilpons.
I didn’t have a problem with the Pagan trade. I didn’t care for Torres – didn’t care for the OF we came into the season with at all – but didn’t have a problem with getting back Ramon.
All I’m saying is when the number one goal is saving the team for the Wilpons – with fielding a competitive team in the present a distant second – the blame has to go to the Wilpons.
Well if you want to suggest the Wilpons stopped Sandy from getting someone good you should at least come up with some possible name they denied him no?
Who wouldf Sandy have gone after and at what price if the Wilpons had not limited him?
Look at the contracts given out in FA last year and tell which one looks like it would have an unlimited Sandy Aldreson written all over it.
You can ignore all the contracts that were given and Sandy gave a WTF response in reply to hearing about them (which is pretty much every deal made last year!)
Sandy Alderson = 2012 version of Al Harazin
A lawyer playing GM who is in over his head when it comes to running a team
Just because I don’t publish daily hate rants on the FO – as the coeur does – doesn’t mean I’m a ‘Sandy lover’. As I’ve stated many times, he’s just the messenger. Let’s put the blame where it belongs”
Right, so shoving down our throat your usual rant about BLAME THE WILPONS is not publishing hate rants right? you do the same thing we do, difference is, we blame the owners too, but all you do is blame the wilpons for everything that’s happening around the mets, including the sorry ass FO we have and its leader mr alderson. god forbid we say anything about the guy becaue as soon as we do you come running into the conv and use the reply button just to say BLAME THE WILPON
Some of you take comments on here way too seriously.
It’s all or nothing for some fans on who to blame. While we prefer to spread the blame around, others are completely blaming either the FO or owners, not both. I’ve already given up trying to convince others that it’s both. Too much of a strain on the brain.
Even I admit Sandy has been far from perfect. The only pass he gets in my book is when you have to bargain bin shop all the time you are going to get more duds than studs. That being said after the 2013 off-season if we are still in this same mode then the hell with all of them.
“The only pass he gets in my book is when you have to bargain bin shop ”
Thats making the ASSumption that he HAD to bargain bin shop but didn’t WANT to…
We contend he WANTED to do that because thats what he does wherever he goes!
Shops at the bargain bin hoping he hits a lottery ticket that makes the inherited performers he has enough to win something, and when it fails he sells off all the performers for kids that will be the next GM’s problem because Sandy gets fired once the purge is done due to fan insistence on getting rid of him.
Metsie, discussing things with you and the way you respond just doesn’t brighten my day.
Sorry. I am skipping this discussion.
If you were hoping to brighten your day then coming to a Mets Blog was probably the worst idea you had all day….
But I hear teaching children is a very rewarding and heart warming endeavor…
Let that sun shine in dude!
It is indeed. I am a Mets fan to keep me grounded in life.
it is both but only in the sense that the Wilpons are letting Sandy do what he has always done….
Buy Walmart!
They could fire him at anytime but they haven’t…
I blame the Wilpons for that but not the players we have been signing or not signing as the case may be.
Not meaning to insult anyone but ‘Duh’.
SA is an employee of the Wilpons. Goal was do whatever was necessary to save the team for them. Mission accomplished, so far.
Does anyone really believe that if the Mets had money to spend, SA is saying ‘no thanks, I don’t want to spend it’?
SRT, I believe you inaccurately used the reply button
hahaha, you are correct. My bad. That was suppose to be a reply to Metsie.
Right, so now that the wilpons have money to pay your dream come trough at 3rd base you suddenly don’t use the phrase anymore.. Sandy alderson has made moves as well, he choses to use his stupid ass phylosphy of moneyball and its not working out, so the easy way out is BLAME THE WILPONS.. no baseball talk from you, just the same BS about the wilpons having no money. is that the only way we can improve the team? Spending money? isn’t that the reason why we’re financially strap in the first place? spending to spend? isn’t that what most of you say? Memo to you, this ain’t the desert..
‘your dream come true’ LOL, Prove it, Coeur boy.
SRT it really has become pointless and I am trying my best just to not even respond to this mess anymore. It’s the same thing everyday, same discussion everyday, same name calling everyday, same childish behavior everyday and unfortunately I have stooped to that at times as well. I think it’s time to just let them have at it.
As soon as reports came out about him being offered $100+ million contract this was your responses:
“Have to believe a no trade clause will not be a sticking point in negotiations”
“I don’t think Wright is at all like Reyes, according to this FO.
They said from the get go they wanted to make Wright a Met for life, take over as ambassador, etc. You never heard any of that with Reyes.
So good money and north of 6 years doesn’t surprise me at all”
“If the owners said that even more of an indication that they were planning on offering Wright a contract that would keep him here for life – don’t you think?”
Not a single mention about how the WILPONS ARE BROKE or that THE WILPONS HAVE NO MONEY from you, a bunch of THIS but that’s it… I wonder why on this one? Ohhh, yeah, because it’s DeeDub..
Ohh, and as soon as damaja said wright speaks well english you got on him
TRSRT: Well, just like everyone in here we’re entitle to our opinion right? so if we say F*** sandy alderson i suggest you don’t comment on what we think, isn’t that the same thing you complain of us doing? yet it’s ok for SRThis to jump in as soon as someone makes an accusation of sandy sucking as a GM? practice what you preach, this ain’t the desert where you can tell others what to do ok..
The man in part was brought here to slash payroll while using his best asset as a weapon.. Save money by acquiring undervalue players.. all he’s done is cut castillo, bay and perez, let reyes and krod go to save their salary money, and a trade for a single A pitcher at the time for an MVP caliber type player.. in the meantime he’s overpaid for a sorry ass bullpen, traded a good CF for crap and not to mention, all the low POS signing he’s done over the past 2 years and it continues this year.. not sure how we can BLAME the wilpons for all that.. he’s misused and miscalculate the market for players who are garbage, been played out in trades and yet you still wanna blame the wilpons.. pathetic, tiredsome and embarrassing
It’s hilarious that people here think that they had this money all along to spend on players. If Wright signs an extention it doesn’t kick in until 2014. 2014 the year Bay and Santana’s contracts expire. The year when only Jon Niese’s contract will be on the books. DUH!
Yeah I’m not fond of a latino or hispanic yet I use Edgardo Alfonzo as my screen because ahem he was my alltime favorite player.
I’m on my way to the hospital for more procedures. You think you could all chill out and stop trying to sling mud and hurl insults to each other while I’m gone? You think you could all try to be a little bit more patient and compassionate? I’m out.
Best wishes Joe, and find one of those hospitals that doesn’t catch fire.
I’ll say a prayer for you Joe D. Hope all goes well.
Hi Joe,
Best of success with the procedures and wishing speedy recovery as always.
Hope all goes well Joe and you’re back home in no time.
Good luck Joe D!
Take care, Joe hope all goes well!
Godspeed there Joe.