http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=uptonju01&year=Career&t=b#site

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go back to sleep

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Fred wrote him a letter…mailed with a stamp….

Fred wrote him an email

Fred sent it via text

Fred told him over the phone

Any and Every one of these methods results in the GM NOT being able to offer arbitration and receive a draft pick

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Who said anything about interfering? I’m sure crap goes down all the time.

You guys claim the Owners are making roster decisions. That’s the subject. Interfering is not the subject. But i see you’re trying to water it down.

Okay, i’m done playing today. Goodnight. Oh and you and Greg shouldn’t feel bad, just blame the Wilpons.

Too bad that didn’t happen. Where is your post that a player called up the owner and worked out an agreement? Or is that your interpretation? Your version?
Wagner was promised by Wilpon that his option would not be picked up if he stayed but where is the phone call you just mentioned?

I said that the Wilpons interfered in negotiations and messed up by giving him an ultimatum.

But a direct quote from Sloane is not enough for you.

Neither is a direct quote from Jeff Wilpon.

Nope, to you, an owner giving a player an ultimatum is not considered interfering with a GM’s job

lmao

And where is it that Carlos Delgado was Jeff Wilpon’s decision?
All you’re giving is reports on things that happened during negotiations and I’m not surprised at that.

- But show me where going after Delgado was the Wilpons idea and not Omars.
- Omar is still the guy who seeked Delgado out and tried to sign him. Whatever drama that traspired..including Delgado who actually questioned why his ethnicity was so important to Minaya – and that’s well documented.
- I showed actual proof. I showed you where Boston and Tampa were directly blamed for the collapse of the Ramirez trade
- I showed you an interview where Duquette actually talks about the Kazmir trade. Here’s Fred Wilpon actually giving credit to that front office for making the trade and basically seeming like he’s mad about it:

“Is he still pitching?” he asked, joking. “Yeah, of course you do. At the time when they made that decision, Jeff [Wilpon] and I got on the conference call and there were I don’t know how many people, but a lot of people, who had collectively more knowledge than you could imagine in terms of baseball. And they said just why they wanted to do that. It was obviously wrong. Zambrano is no longer here.+

http://meaningfulgamesdotcom.blogspot.com/2007/02/wilpon-finally-comments-on-scott-kazmir.html

You’re just giving me drama and behind the scenes snippets. And maybe The Wilpons could instruct the GM to try and cut costs and naturally that’s going to be a player but i still see no evidence of the Wilpons actually making a personnel decision. And outside of Mike Piazza which i believe they did – i still see nothing else.

The story stays the same. The owner hires the GM to make personnel decision, run the ballclub, make the moves and then bring over the checks to sign. Can owners ever get involved in the negotiations? I’m sure they do. But that’s because the GM was the one who made it happen.

Owners can’t talk business with ballplayers? Doesn’t mean Fred did or didn’t know Wagner’s fate. Not seeing any decisions by any Wilpons here

AL GOLDIS was a long time friend of the Wilpons and was Jeff’s boyhood batting coach when he lived in Queens.

Al had more pull with the Wilpons than Jim Duquette, who was only an interim GM because Steve Phillips was fired and Omar Minaya turned them down in 2004….

lol

now you are just being hard-headed for the sake of it

I have shown you direct QUOTES from THE AGENT implicating JEFF WILPON giving an ULTIMATUM

“WILPON DEMANDED the first-baseman’s answer by the next day so as not to “interfere” with the Winter Caravan, Sloane says.”

DID NOT AFFECT NEGOTIATIONS???

lol ok

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-03-04/sports/27057965_1_jerry-manuel-mets-billy-wagner

BRAVE NEW WORLD: Billy Wagner said he had a personal pledge from owner Fred Wilpon that the reliever’s option for this season would not have been picked up if he had remained instead of being traded to the Red Sox last August. Wilpon understood Wagner’s desire to continue amassing saves. It likely would have been impractical to pick up Wagner’s $8 million option as a set-up man to Francisco Rodriguez anyway.

“However, the worst was yet to come. There had been rumors since spring training that Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson was not fond of Scott Kazmir’s mechanics or his attitude. His performance in St Lucie was still very good, and Kazmir had just been promoted to Double-A Binghamton. His stay in upstate New York would prove to be a short one, as he was traded with Jose Diaz, to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for Victor Zambrano and minor league reliever Bartolome Fortunado.”
http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=30

And here Duquette actually talks about when he made the trade and why:
http://metsblog.com/uncategorized/quote-jim-duquette-on-scott-kazmir/

- I’ve shown you Duquette ACTUALLY discussing it
- And I’ve shown you evidence of Rick Peterson being unhappy with Kazmir – draw your own conclusions.

Now it’s your turn, show me a link where Jeff (or Fred) take responsibility for the Kazmir trade.

It says nothing. It doesn’t say “jeff wilpon was the one who pulled the trigger on Carlos Delgado not Omar Minaya”

And did I say anything about Jim Duquette?

Carlos Delgado

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sports/features/11260/index4.html

On a Sunday evening, during another conference call with Delgado’s agent, Wilpon demanded the first-baseman’s answer by the next day so as not to “interfere” with the Winter Caravan, Sloane says.

“I’m not stupid enough to believe they were serious,” Sloane says, still angry. “I knew what they were trying to do, which is why I told Carlos that when you’re confronted by a bully, you hit him in the mouth.” Sloane delivered his punch on ESPN, which suddenly ran a report saying the Mets had withdrawn from the Delgado sweepstakes. At midnight Sunday, a stunned Jeff Wilpon, watching TV at home, called Minaya, who spent Monday re-entering the hunt. To no avail: On Tuesday, Delgado signed with Florida. “I don’t think he ever really wanted to be a Met,” Wilpon says.

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You STILL think that Jim Duquette was responsible for the Scott Kazmir trade?