If I was really backing up my take on Sandy by making up things with non-existent facts, claiming to have posted links that I never did, quoting statements that never existed, presenting information that was either false in nature, misconstrued, twisted around or made by those who did not do their vetting and/or are not astute in the game, etc. to paint a mis-representative picture, I would think that you wouldn’t be the lone ranger accusing me of such actions – not with the large number of those who follow MMO.

Whether I am right or wrong, nobody has ever made a case against the conclusions I have come to by accusing me of presenting false evidence and distorted facts other than you – even with those who disagree with me.

Why do you think that?

everything else was pretty spot on

Add to that not knowing what 2011 and 2012 would have resulted in if we became buyers and didn’t sell KRod and Beltran.

Zack Wheeler may or may not deliver the goods we have been promised but we do know we have those who were indeed delivering the goods for us at that time that gave us real hope and excitement – despite the impending doom that we knew we were facing with whom we were about to lose. What we needed was a little bit of “ya gotta believe” instead of “show me what you can do in the next two weeks”.

As for K-Rod you saved money and got absoloutly NOTHING not a single prospect back for a former All star who had 23 saves at the time.

Yeah he got Wheeler and thats really about all he has done that MIGHT be a plus yet we still don’t know if even that one works out.

I think you and I are quite alike. One needs to see the glass half full in life otherwise there will be a lot of depression, doubt, anxiousness and insecurity. Also, being a Met fan from the very beginning, one has to champion the underdog and always have faith for a better tomorrow and the champion of lost causes! LOL

Yes, the team needs to be financially solvent in order to survive and prosper. But at what expense can that be achieved under the current ownership – the ability to compete? The debts are long term and mounting, the revenue is decreasing, the market value of the club itself has dropped and even Sandy will go so far as to say the team is able to meet it’s financial obligations at this current time. SNY will not reap the benefits of profit at this time because it also has debts to cover (in the long-term yes).

I would be more optimistic if Sandy was hired as the financial person and somebody else to replace Omar as the baseball one. Then perhaps there could be a medium between cost cutting and improving the team nevertheless. But as mentioned, Sandy is not a baseball person yet sees himself as understanding the game through advanced statistical analysis and is tailoring the organization to follow the superficial conclusions he has arrived at.

The combination of Sandy wearing both hats makes this highly optimistic individual see, in this case, the glass half empty, if not completely drained.

Thanks for understanding my point and addressing your differences. It’s always a pleasure to discuss counterpoints with someone who can acknowledge there are valid reasons for the opposite point of view even if he or she disagrees with them.

Hope you had a good gobble yesterday.

However one “ah sh*t ” wipes out a 1,000 “that a boys”.

Getting nothing or just draft picks for Reyes is the “ah sh*t:. Many post say that the Mets should have traded Reyes at the trade deadline (be a rental). I disagree.

Reyes should have either been signed or traded in ST 2011 after he showed he was healthy from all his health issues during 2010. Sandy just came here and said he wanted to evaluate Reyes. SA had all ST to see him. Reyes said he did not want to negotiate during the 2011 season. Sandy did not respect that. Yes you’re right that is where Sandy did nothing when he should have. Yes there was the pending Picard lawsuit. They could not afford him. So trade him as soon as he showed he was healthy.

Thanks for taking the time and expounding on your original comment. After reading it I fully can understand why your position is what it is. But I still can’t agree with it on a number of fronts. First and foremost is personal, I always choose to look at the glass half full as opposed to half empty, especially when it comes to the Mets. Call it foolish passion if you will, but I love the NY Mets. The picture you paint is one that says the Mets can never, and will never win under an Alderson regime. Of course you didn’t come right out and say that, but you didn’t have to.

Look, we all know the owners were very close to bankruptcy, with the impending lawsuit, the operating losses, the loans just to stay afloat, (and this was all very publicized). Now the man you described in Sandy Alserson, couldn’t we say that he was just the man needed for the job at the time? Wouldn’t you think that the team needs to be solvent and financially healthy again for any degree of success to be achieved? Believe me I know how difficult it was to see the team broken down the way it was, and still continues to be. Look, we’re not going to get what we ALL want, and that is for the Wilpons to sell the team. And in the absence of that happening, I really don’t know how they could have proceeded any other way.

Now on the baseball side and great divide that exists between the sabermetric opponents and proponents, that’s completely different and can be debated forever. But on the financial side, with the Wilpons keeping the team, I don’t think there was any other way to proceed.

I do hope that you didn’t come to that conclusion based on the misinformation I’ve been accused of floating around here…

Do nothing and get paid huge, huge money.

Look at the questions raised by so many of the writers on MMO. Read the opinions fostered by so many of their readers. Look at the anger, disgust and frustration most have. Look at the absolute lack of confidence in Sandy Alderson. Look at the number who did originally believe that Sandy Alderson was a great baseball mind but have since changed their minds based on his moves. Look at how many no even use the excuse of a lack of money to defend Sandy. Look at how many say the only way for the Mets to get better is for the Wilpons to sell the team. So in the face of all that mounting criticism, it is hard for me to understand why you need to single me out and discredit what I have been saying. It is just not me for at this point, I have a tremendous amount of company sharing those same opinions and thought – probably an overwhelming majority.

Again, admire you for sticking to your principles but unfortunately, have to say you are one of a dying breed when it comes to those same thoughts and opinions. The best way to defend those principles and make a case for their validity is to defend those points instead of relying on discrediting the opposing evidence and those who present it as we unfortunately see in American politics today.

Hardly as reliable as a slide show of pictures that said Sandy was the GM….

Grow up already dude….

Even though I did not use the word this time, I have answered that question very often in the past – that his first priority is to keeping the franchise afloat fiscally for the owners not to default and their payments and have to sell the team and that then comes his desire to improve the team as best as possible. But it’s circumstances that have nothing to do with the game of baseball which find him as the Mets General Manager.

Sandy’s career in baseball is focused on the legal and financial of running an organization and with working with the commissioner in matters legal and financial (see his resume for a listing of his deep involvement in these areas). As mentioned, this is the talent that he brings to the game.

But Sandy is not a baseball person yet has been given the authority of one (like his last few years in Oakland). There has been enough credible evidence discovered to suggest total autonomy was the stipulation both he and Selig made the Wilpons agree to in order for MLB to take the unusual intervention it did to save their ownership – and that includes Bud Selig admitting they were taken due to the fact that the Wilpons did not bring the financial situation upon themselves (sic). He and Sandy have also not hidden the fact that Sandy was not interested in the job but was urged to take up by the commissioner.

Sandy believes he knows how to build a team through his understanding of the game based upon analytical study (being a lawyer and business executive one needs to have an astute analytical mind). He has hired people who feel the same way (and has fired those who didn’t) and enforces an approach to the game based on the conclusions he finds. We saw that with his insistence on the important of PPA as a team concept.

But unfortunately, Sandy does not recognize that his understanding of the game through statistical analysis is superficial and flawed. It also explains why no other team sought his services in the area of player personnel since his time with Oakland.

There is no doubt that Sandy wants to win – but so did M. Donald Grant – so that doesn’t even enter the equation. But it is conclusive based on his statements and noted business philosophies that he was going to downsize everything he could so the Mets would no longer lose money. He is working for the Wilpons and the Wilpons don’t want to sell the team.
And he has so often stated that a team can’t expect to compete for or retain expensive star players when it is losing millions each year. In order for the Wilpons be able to meet their financial obligations and retain ownership that means no Reyes, no Beltran, no KRod, no Pagan and others who could command large raises through arbitration and now we are faced with the real possibility of no Wright or R.A. as well. It also meant obtaining the “inexpensive” players Sandy admitted he signed and acknowledged that one cannot compete with this type of talent because it can only give a 50 percent return on performance.

So we really do agree but I understand that if you were not familiar with my past posts that you were unaware of where I was coming from.

That is determined by if you think is a good move or bad move….