Bottom line is none of us really have a clue where the Mets finances really stand. Rubin came the closest to trying to dig into it but even he doesn’t know, although he’s still stating they are broke or at the very least, still seriously in the red.

We all know the one thing that will cure all of this….winning. Problem is they’ve got to spend a little money to put a competitive team on the field. We’re not the Rays and trying to emulate them – developing that much talent on the farm – would take about 10 years. IMO, you gotta spend a little money to make a little money.

Wilpons aren’t broke, but Mets are still in the red….hence the whole refinancing and Bay deferred payment thing, for starters…

Might not be in as bad a shape as they were facing the billion dollar clawback trial but they’re still far from solvent.

From what I read the host team for the ASG doesn’t get all that much money – most of it goes to MLB. Can’t find that link right now but maybe the story I read wasn’t talking about ALL the money, such as sponsorship money. I sincerely hope they get a huge chunk from that AS week – it can only help.

I think considering that Cespedes was 1. signed after the Mets spent what they did this past off season and 2. Cespedes was still unable to even negotiate till this January and 3. the Picard settlement had yet to even be settled. I think it was unrealistic to expect the Mets to be able to even bid on Cespedes. If others feel otherwise well then to each his own.

As far as Chapman goes this was my thought of him back in October 2009.
http://realdirtymets.com/2009/10/25/extra-extra-trdmb-front-page-vol-24/

It’s too bad the Mets couldn’t make a bid for him. For me if your going to gamble a kid like this is was worth it.

What about the other 2 players mentioned?

Fred Wilpon = the problem

That one deal is the norm right?

Please….Thats so far off the mark it’s not even funny!

All this stuff about Selig forcing him on them or that THEY set the Payroll number at 100M is nothing more than assumption and no more likely than the scenario where Selig said this guy can get you back in black, They agreed and stayed out of Sandy’s way. Sandy set the payroll targets, set the timeline for competitive team and the strategy we have seen the past 2 offseasons.

I bet if the Wilpons have mandated anything in the past two years it was only in regards to insisting we keep Wright because he is a fan/owner favorite and know well enough if he goes so does any hope at increasing attendance.

The only reason people are blaming Wilpon who has never been cheap EVER since he got here is because they don’t want to blame Sandy for it!

Wilpon is the EXCUSE not the cause of all the team’s financial and roster problems.
Wilpon didn’t cost the team a penny!
Wilpon didn’t take any money from the team the way the Dodger owner did…
And there is no clear evidence that they set the Payroll limitastion on Sandy as Sandy has been saying that since well BEFORE the Madoff scandal broke with his consistent chattering about how you can’t carry more than two big contracts on an MLB roster…

He believes that not the Wilpons as evidence of the rosters they had for years before Sandy came along.

Only thing to pin on the Wilpons regarding our spending approach is they have not forced Sandy to work as a big market team and let him play his small market strategy instead.

So your looking at something in and around the neighborhood of 5 years $92.7M. Which averages to about $18.5M a year.

texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26373244&vkey=news_tex&c_id=tex

espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7476104/texas-rangers-japanese-pitcher-yu-darvish-agree-six-year-60m-deal

baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=92

Omar sent Wagner packing (I get why you said Sandy) LOL but you know that Billy was the end of his four year contract in 2009 and only had about a month to go and stated he would only sign with a club that made him the closer – and we already had KRod. So getting back a good bench player and fourth outfielder in Chris Carter was the right move.

Why Carter is still stuck in the minors I don’t know – he was a reliable bench player for us and boy could we have still used his bat in 2011 and 2012. The unfortunate thing was that he was so slow in the outfield that his problem was not catching the ball but getting to it.

Sorry, but this has been the Wilpon mantra for a while

Aroldis Chapman – 23 years old – 5 year deal 5 mil per year
Cespedes – Oakland – 26 years old . 4 year deal 12 mil per year
Darvish – 25 years old 5 year deal 10 mil per year with 1 player option

One of the best closers in baseball
One of the best CF in baseball
One of the best SP in baseball

all 26 and younger…all signed to relatively good deals…

would you like me to further embarrass you or are you satisfied with this?

Could very well be that Alderson is calling the shots on how to spend and how to cut back and the Wilpons have to accept it and smile because total control could have been one of the stipulations Selig required in order to go the extra mile for his buddies.

As suggested earlier, Sandy might be one who doesn’t want to gamble with possibilities of increased revenue when he knows he can guarantee an instant savings by cutting players and signing those he called “inexpensive”.

It’s from the comic books in case you had never read those….

As for the Wilpon finances I have been saying all along they are not as broke as some would hope them to be thinking they would lose the team.

As far as setting the budget I would be surprised if their statements to Sandy went far beyond a simple get the team profitable without any mention of payroll cieling.

If Sandy had come to them and asked to sign someone that would put the budget at 115M I bet they would let him go ahead and sign them but Sandy has not done that and it is Sandy who feels the 100M budget is enough to build a winner with.

They lost 20M with a 100M payrol but if they got the right Power RHB OF for around 10-12M per they could easily draw enough season ticket sales to make up that 33M and maybe even more if he wins us a few games.

I am convinced it’s not the WIlpons setting the Payroll limitations it is Sandy who picked that number as where he wants to be as far as spending and Sandy believes he can make a winner for that amount.

Maybe he can in 10 Years time but he won’t get that in NYC.

In fact by this time next year if people are not convinced that what he is doing is going to lead to a championship then he is gone goodbye!
You can put it in the books!