What If The Rumored Contract Offer For David Wright Is Just A Ruse?

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• Metsr1 October 11, 2012 at 8:12 am

  You have spelled it out perfectly, Mitch. This was my first reaction as well. Typical Met propaganda making Wright look like he’s greedy and a bad guy when he leaves. Notice I didn’t say “if”.
• TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:16 am

  So what about the other report where Wright is supposedly waiting until after the World Series in hopes of milking a better deal? Is that one planted as well?
• TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:19 am

  Also this seems like damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

  Last year Alderson was the bad guy for letting the market set itself and not making an early offer. This year Alderson is the bad guy because they have set the market and made an early offer.

  It isn’t like Sandy came out and said we have offered him 100M… We have no idea who leaked the information. That’s the thing about baseball, why are we always so hung up on conspiracy theories and make judgments based on them?
  • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Sounds to me like you’re defending SA again… We get it.
    • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:32 am

      Where?

      I never said which was a good move or which was a bad move. We don’t know the terms yet so it would be impossible for me to judge based on something Matt Cerrone and John Heyman said.
• hotstreak October 11, 2012 at 8:24 am

  What if the Mets do not sign David Wright and instead land top prospects? These shovel ready prospects will expedite the rebuilding process. The fans would never put the onus on Davi dWright. If they do not sign him the fans who want him to stay a career Met will blame ownershp. I actually would praise ownership. I would not mind at all if DW flouishes outside of Flushing. A man of character with a golden glove whoes time has come and went. A rebuilt teams needs new cornerstones.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Good god, please don’t say shovel ready. We saw how that worked out in the real world.
    • hotstreak October 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm

      I thought is was applicable “shovel ready” in a “rebuilding mode”. Two years ML ready tthe most to coinside when the albatrose contracts come off the books. Then we can trade for high salary guys and selecively go into FA bidding.

      As for “shovel ready” used as a pitch in politics it is bogus.
• Mr North Jersey October 11, 2012 at 8:29 am

  You may be right this may be just what you think it may be. There is no way to disprove it. But unnamed sources has been a part of trades, free agent signings and contract extensions or basically anything baseball in NY and most of MLB for some time now. Personally I have no way to know who these sources are and as I do with most unnamed sources I put very little stock in them other than the amusement at them as they happen.
  Right now I am just waiting until something actually happens with Wright either signing or not and then take it from there.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Yup, until Wright or Sandy says something then it’s all posturing.
• USMF October 11, 2012 at 8:39 am

  I find it hard to believe that a $100mil would be enough to keep Wright, especially if it’s for the rest of his career. Wright is (almost) 30 now, so you would expect another 8-11 years left on his career depending on health and performance.

  So even if the contract is a six year deal at $100mil, that’s about $16.6mil per year…while I think that’s a fair deal for really good, but not great player like Wright, I don’t see him wanting anything less than a 6 year deal worth about $120mil or more.

  I’ve already read somewhere that Wright wanted a deal around $160mil and if I were Wright I’d insist in an opt-out clause after a couple of years.

  Too me this almost seems like a low ball offer thrown out there and that leaves the Mets in position to say “hey we offered him a really good deal, if he really wanted to be here, then he’d take it.” and saying that the expect to get it done by the end of the WS gives them a chance to say…”We couldn’t get it done in the time frame we put in place, we have to move on to building the rest of the team for 2013, we’ll address Wrights contract next year.”.

  Taking this approach saves them from how the handled the Jose “box of chocolates” and no contact debacle.

  I’d also expect them to try to drag this out past the sale of 2013 season tickets…

  I hope I’m wrong too, but you just never know with this FO.

  I just wish they ripped the band aid off two years ago like Boston did this year. Yeah it would have sucked, but at least we wouldn’t be dragging this whole “rebuilding”/”not blowing it up” thing for three years.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:44 am

    The deal as “reported” is 6 years/100M in addition to this year and with an option year making it actually an 8 year deal if every option picked up. That signs him through 2020. So really you could call the deal 8/132M that’s not a bad pay day for sure.
    • USMF October 11, 2012 at 8:58 am

      No that’s not bad deal at all and that’s kinda what I was thinking, but I think I read that Wright wants a 8 year deal worth $160. That’s about $3.4mil per year difference. that don’t sound like much, but I could see it being a deal breaker.

      If I were Wright, I’d expect to have some money deferred with compounding interest, an opt-out clause and a full no trade clause and the options to be mutual and the “Beltran” no arbitration deal.
      • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:01 am

        I haven’t even seen one credible report or any other for that matter than in blog comment sections to report 8/160.
  • Mr North Jersey October 11, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Hey USMF if you have a link regarding Wright wanting $160M that says sources say or people with knowledge of what Wright’s camp wants or something similar to this I’d love to have it so I can add to a post series I been running keeping track of such things.
• TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:40 am

  Besides, since when is someone a bad guy because they choose to test FA. I never said it with Reyes nor would I with Wright. If the Mets offer 100M and Wright picks 110M from somewhere else that’s life. Then the fans can debate if the Mets should have matched the offer, if Wright even wanted to be here, or if the Mets determined that he was only worth a certain amount. If fans are stupid enough to be swayed by the media then they deserve what they get.
  • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Again, if that happens, i will not blame the guy. it’s just business, i don’t look at it like OMG he’s a traitor etc, i’d say good riddance and move on.. HOWEVER, i want the same people who were bashing reyes for leaving when the mets didn’t even offer a contract to bash wright the same way, because he too will be a traitor etc no? and if the mets offer $100 and he chooses $110 he’d be even worst than reyes no? I am not saying that that’s the case, but hypotecally speaking if it happens, he should get the wrath of mets fans for dissing the team, the city and the fans. but knowing mets fans, i am sure excuses of all kind will pile on..
    • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 8:56 am

      What is that, like 3 people on here? Who gives a damn what they think? Why do you get so hung up on what someone on a blog said a year ago?
      • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 11:13 am

        Because there is an extreme double-standard in how the press/fans look at people who do the same thing…
        • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 11:24 am

          I agree, you have a double standard…
          • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm

            right

            we’re both human beings
            but I think ur an idiot…
            • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm

              Thanks, “UR” being used in a sentence aiming describe another’s intelligence level seems to discredit the source.
        • hotstreak October 11, 2012 at 1:47 pm

          If Bay were hispanic he would have been sent packing with his excess baggage. But then again Fred sai DW was no super star. That is his main guy to get the fannies in his ball park and sell Mets merchandise. Oh I forget Freddie was drunk at that time and had loose lips.
          • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 3:57 pm

            LOL

            The words gritty and Jason Bay would never appear in the same sentence if Jason Bay were a dark-skinned dominican with dreads…
    • 51s October 11, 2012 at 9:01 am

      Nice post Alex. in fact, the people blaming Reyes for leaving are those that ignore history. Those that ignore history are eventually bound to suffer for their ignorance. They can jump up and down and scream all they want how happy they are with Tejada, but it doesn’t make him as good a player as Reyes. The team got worse because Reyes left and they refuse to blame the man that didn’t do a damn thing to keep him. Nah, don’t blame Alderson EVER. So if Wright feels he is being lowballed he’ll be the enxt victim of the PR campaign of lies and hate to Never Blame Alderson. Fortunately for Wright he has professioal agensts, who will not let him fall for the newest gimmick in the lie campaign that will be spewn out about him and backed completely by Alderson staffers like Jessep and her assistants.
      • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:03 am

        Seriously, you are talking about a handful of people that are just as insane as those who are the polar opposite of them. 99% of Mets fans are right in the middle and understand baseball is a business and it’s these guys careers. If they don’t, then who cares?
        • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:10 am

          As I’ve said many times, the business of baseball runs the game of baseball. Each franchise is a business, not a charity. Why should we expect otherwise?
          • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:13 am

            I have no idea? This time of year just kills me. Like last year with Pujols, like he owed something to the Cards after supplying THEM with all the money he had. Nor did they owe HIM anything. It isn’t like the team is firing them or they are quitting their job.
            • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:27 am

              TRS86 — I agree with you totally.
        • jessep October 11, 2012 at 9:38 am

          I’m sorry TRS but are you calling me “insane” and “extremist” below? It seems like you are so I’d like that to be clear one way or the other.
          • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:41 am

            If you said ” “We didn’t win anything with him anyways, good riddance, traitor, some people even wish him to get injured etc..”

            Then yeah.
            • jessep October 11, 2012 at 9:51 am

              Was it in quotes with a link providing where and when I said those words?

              If not, consider the source next time you reply calling me insane or an extremist please.

              I wanted Jose Reyes back, heck I even predicted he would sign with the Mets in my contest here. I wanted them to be smart about the contract though, just as I want them to be smart about Wright – but I also recognize there is a drastic difference between Winter ’10+11 and today. I also recognize that if Wright leaves, the Mets have no real 3B despite what people wish to think about Murphy.

              If they sign Wright to a longterm 100m deal its because they recognize the majority of the fan base will turn on them and it’s more of a PR move. I can’t change that. You can’t go back and change what happened with Reyes. Some people just want Wright gone solely because of the Reyes negotiations or lack thereof.

              I was MAD when Reyes took himself out of 162. I’m still mad. I think he had an idea he may not return and he chose a batting title over playing a few more innings in what could have been his final home game. He wanted to preserve a batting title yet he wouldn’t have been due up until maybe the 3rd or 4th inning.

              Miguel Cabrera on the other hand has a triple crown locked up, is playing on the road, and played a few innings in a meaningless game prior to a playoff series when nobody would have doubted why he needed to be benched for game 162.

              I don’t wish for players to get injured. I wish for Miami to fail, because I’m a Mets fan. I wish for Reyes to fail NOW – because I’m a Mets fan. I feel Miami was a terrible decision for Reyes and that if he truly wanted to be a Met – it would have happened. I think BOTH sides were done with one another. I think Reyes will regret signing there when he’s traded in 2 years unless he’s dealt to a team like NYY.

              If you tell me that David Wright is about to hit free agency and he takes himself out after 1 AB of his final home game to win an individual award – then i’ll say exactly the same stuff about him as I did Reyes.

              If that view is extremist or insane, so be it. But please next time you wish to respond ABOUT me – consider the source.
              • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:54 am

                Unless you said the things above then where in the hell does it say that I called YOU that. Stop being so defensive and whinny.
                • jessep October 11, 2012 at 10:23 am

                  Again TRS – I don’t need your insults – I am replying solely to defend my name here which is why I ASKED you

                  “I’m sorry TRS but are you calling me “insane” and “extremist” below? It seems like you are so I’d like that to be clear one way or the other.”

                  To which you replied yes if the quotes claimed to be mine were true. Which I provided proof they are not and asked you to consider the source before assuming they are true.

                  I don’t need you to tell me how to behave, or what I should or shouldn’t say. I am aware of your thoughts of me – and they are what they are.

                  All I am here asking you is that when certain people use quotes from me, rather than reply “If you want your opinions to be based on a handful of extremist so be it” to somebody who directly uses my name in their post – consider the source next time.

                  That’s what you’re missing. You’re missing that Alex and 51 directly used my name and SRT and your direct reply referenced me or us as extremists.

                  I don’t reply to people who have the sole plan to toss your name or your site around the mud, when they call it a desert or whatever they call it. In fact I have challenged those people on your behalf to start their own site and see how hard it is – so I’d appreciate it if next time you consider the source when things are said about me.

                  That is all.
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:33 am

                    Actually it doesn’t but your defensive nature implies that it does. I responded specifically to the quotes provided. In fact the two quotes provided never mentioned you, you can assume they were directed towards you. That’s between you and Alex. I am responding to the extremist views that Alex and 51 provided.
              • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 11:20 am

                I’ll admit…I was a lil upset that Reyes did that…he could have played until the 3rd inning and it did show a disconnect between athlete and fan…

                BUT…in Reyes’s defense…he was underpaid and over-criticized by the same fans who felt entitled to see him play a few more innings…

                if he hurts his hamstring, that could mean millions off the table

                To me, coming out of the game like that showed a lack of confidence…not a blatant disrespect to the fans…

                then again…on ESPN, when they went to Reyes’s house…he had a plaque up on his wall of Barry Bonds…and said Barry was his favorite player….

                lmao…in other words…I dont think Reyes gives 2 sh*ts what the public thinks….

                he’s a good dude…he plays hard…he’s just like any other athlete that wants his paper..
            • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 9:53 am

              YEAH…. he did… He specifically said “WE DIDN’T WIN ANYTHING WITH HIM, GOOD RIDDANCE”… then turn around and said “THE METS NEED AND HAVE TO SIGN DAVID CA WRIGHT”… Go figure.. The talk of a guy who leads a legion of you know what..
              • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:55 am

                Can you get me a link where he actually said that?

                I still don’t know why you two get so hung up on what each other say and then still talk about it a year later.
                • jessep October 11, 2012 at 10:10 am

                  You see the response below. No link, no quote. I cannot defend myself against false quotes if links are not provided. So I’d appreciate it moving forward if somebody tells you I said something – you consider the source or lack thereof before responding calling me insane or extremist.

                  By the way I did say Good riddance to Jose in a reply in Feb in reference to game 162. Which I do not deny being mad about.

                  With regards to my “quote” about Wright. Here is where I went on record in a post with Joe D

                  “Jessep: No, because I do hope that the major financial issues of this franchise are behind them. Look, the bottom line is – if Wright is not retained past 2013, it tells you just how bad things really are. If he is signed, it gives hope that 2010 and 2011 are things of the past and yes there were some casualties from a terrible situation, but they are moving on.”

                  http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/10/have-we-seen-david-wrights-final-game-in-a-mets-uniform.html

                  I’ll leave this thread to the discussion, but wanted a chance to clear my name from the slander and don’t want you or others just taking supposed quotes as fact when they can’t be proven.

                  Have a great day
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:14 am

                    Jessup, just as you challenge Alex, find where I said YOU were an extremist or insane. Again, stop being so defensive and whinny. If you didn’t say that quote then it doesn’t apply to you now does it?
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:18 am

                    So lets see you didn’t say what Alex said you said AND you didn’t ” the people blaming Reyes for leaving ”
                    Then why are you even involved in a discussion where I call people who said what Alex quotes and the above as insane and extremist?

                    What would you call someone who said all those things? Not that anyone even did.
                • jessep October 11, 2012 at 10:30 am

                  TRS – email sent. lets take this off MMO please. thx
                  • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 10:37 am

                    BOoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on, let’s see what you got??? Show all of us what a whinny little ____ you are… You claim you are not many things, yet as soon as someone says moneyballer, sabergooner, sandy sl____ you jump out the woods to defend your name… Good that TRS just exposed you yet again for the phony person you are.
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:39 am

                    Actually Alex, you are missing the point again. I don’t pick sides here. I wasn’t referring to Jessup when I made the comment and I still don’t see why you two get so hung up on each other.
                • jessep October 11, 2012 at 10:33 am

                  I take it back TRS your email from your site bounced. Where can I send you a message? I’ll send it to Joe D if necessary
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:36 am

                    Eh, It’s done. You can send me an email later. Again, you are misunderstanding the situation and I have no desire.
                    I know your opinion on this and you know mine. No hard feelings and time to move on. If you still feel that I called YOU an extremist and insane that’s on you.
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:37 am

                    I will check on the email issue.
                    But if you feel necessary then Joe has my private email or you can send me a private message on Twitter.
                  • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 10:41 am

                    If you still feel that I called YOU an extremist and insane that’s on you”

                    TRS, again, he SAID “we didn’t win anything with him, oh well, good riddance”.. ok, fair enough, but then we haven’t won anything with wright and yet he said “the mets have to sign david wright”.. Not to mention, how he defended Ryan Braun steroids accusation to no end and even wanted him to win the batting title away from reyes just because he didn’t want reyes to win it
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:42 am

                    Again Alex, that is between you and him.
                • jessep October 11, 2012 at 10:47 am

                  TRS – email sent to Joe D. Got a perm error when I sent to your rdm email.
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:53 am

                    Okay dokie.
                  • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 11:02 am

                    Pathetic….
                  • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 11:04 am

                    Damn I just finished making he damn Popcorn too!

                    Double Buttery!

                    Oh well….
              • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 10:01 am

                Again, the guy is a liar.. when he is backed into a corner he try to use some other methods or way to change the subject.. i don’t need to provide a link where he actually said that, people already know who he is as a person so need for me to show you how much of a liar and a piece of _____ he truly is.. the guy is just a snake and a person who cannot be trusted..
                • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:11 am

                  OK then how about the 2nd part?
              • Met Maniac October 11, 2012 at 10:15 am

                Alex this is very difficult a decision for me. I dont know who to root for Jessep or TRS? LOL I might have to root for Jessep because he’s getting a taste of his own medicine where you get words put in your mouth or taken out of context which they both usually do to us.
                • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 10:24 am

                  Lmao… I must say the CORE has just saluted TRS.. the guy battles all and everything, but at least we go back to him to debate because he knows his craft.. calling the guy out for being a whiny little ____ just made my day!!!
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:28 am

                    Alex, you should know me by now. I don’t really pick sides even if you always say I do. I look at EVERY situation individually, try to look at both sides, realize the truth is in the gray and try to make a logical decision. Period.
      • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 9:23 am

        51s, THIS^^^^^
        BTW, jesseP is a guy… the name is a bit confusing..
        TRS, i don’t care what people think.. however,it’s ironic you tell me not to care of what others think, because SRT does the same, yet you jump out to her defense. guess that only works for the desert people or something.. Again, stop trying to butt in on everything i say, when reyes signed with the marlins, there were all kinds of comments from “We didn’t win anything with him anyways, good riddance, traitor, some people even wish him to get injured etc.. so don’t tell me that if some bogus excuse come up for the golden boy you wouldn’ think it’s some sort of Double Standard… I get you like the guy and he’s your american hero, but at some point let someone have a different oppinion about the guy jeez..
        • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:26 am

          If you want your opinions to be based on a handful of extremist so be it. I choose to think for myself and look at each situation independently. Treatment of Wright has nothing to do with treatment of Reyes. You do know they were two completely different situations, heck I know it’s hard to believe but they are even different people that aren’t even related family members.
          • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:34 am

            TRS86 — Alex and his imaginary CORE are still trying to conflate Wright, who is doing most things right, and Reyes, who believed a shyster agent that he was the greatest thing since Albert Pujols, er I mean sliced bread. Greenberg tricked Reyes without doing the due diligence of finding out what Reyes was worth in the marketplace. Reyes is apparently a nice guy who was over-matched by Greenberg’s tactics.
            • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:40 am

              See I don’t agree with this at all. Was Reyes’ agent a hooligan? Most likely. However, Reyes still got exactly what he wanted. He got a deal far more than he should have and got to go play in the culture that is Miami beside his best friend. The fact that he trusted the Marlins is a side point to this. I don’t blame him at all for taking the best offer.
              • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:56 am

                Reyes took the best offer? There was no other offer because he got scared and signed immediately, before the other 29 teams got involved. I put Peter Greenberg in the class of Irving (Pickpocket) Picard. Both appear to be slime buckets.
                • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:58 am

                  Des do you honestly think anyone else was touching THAT offer? Again, the Marlins courted him from day one, really before they were even allowed to they were already contacting him. He went where he wanted to go. So be it.
        • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 9:34 am

          Thing is, you jump out the woods to defend SRT when someone is commenting on her garbage about blaming the wilpons, and you tell people to respect her opinions and blah blah blah, yet one cannot have a comment about wright because you tell us that we’re wrong.. can’t we have our own opinion too in here? or again, that only works for YOUR desert people and your case…
          • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:37 am

            Where did I tell you that your opinion on Wright is wrong. It’s your opinion. I am just not going to base my opinions on it. I am not going to champion Wright and make him better than he is just because you trash him.

            SRT has nothing to do with this discussion because she wanted Reyes AND Wright to lead the Mets and wanted nothing more than Reyes to be re-signed.
            • srt October 11, 2012 at 10:03 am

              ‘SRT has nothing to do with this discussion because she wanted Reyes AND Wright to lead the Mets and wanted nothing more than Reyes to be re-signed.’

              This.
              At least someone pays attention.
              But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good rant.
            • Alex68 October 11, 2012 at 10:06 am

              If you weren’t a female I’d think you’re implying THIS ___S
              • srt October 11, 2012 at 10:14 am

                What?
                Honestly have no idea what you’re trying to say.
        • srt October 11, 2012 at 10:01 am

          I do the same what?
          Jeeze, what the hell are you accusing me of now?
• srt October 11, 2012 at 9:02 am

  It’s the beat writer’s job to put every supposed tidbit out there for the masses. They all trip over themselves now with technology, trying to be the ‘first’ with breaking news.

  I tend to look at MLBTR as my source for all things Hot Stove. If they report it, it’s because they’ve researched it and have what they believe to be a credible source. Doesn’t mean that credible source has got it right, just means MLBTR isn’t just floating a rumor out there from the vendor selling hot dogs.

  There is no doubt in my mind the FO wants this deal with Wright wrapped up sooner rather than later. IF it doesn’t appear he’s going to re-sign, or it drags out into the winter – they’ve already stated they’re going to be looking into a trade. Can’t blame them on that.

  Meanwhile, until something definite is done, I would take all these stories with a grain of salt.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:04 am

    “I tend to look at MLBTR as my source for all things Hot Stove”
    Bingo.
• Don October 11, 2012 at 9:15 am

  I couldn’t agree with you more. Typical mets. David Wright has much more integrity than they do.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:17 am

    So the Mets are bad because Heyman reported that they plan to offer him basically an 8 year 132M deal. Got it.
• Des October 11, 2012 at 9:24 am

  Mitch — “I don’t know about other Mets fans, but there is a little voice in the back of my head….”

  Mitch, I want to be playful and says there is help for you, but really your imagery starts a thoughtful essay. However, I don’t agree with you that the Mets made a lowball offer, since it was the first offer in a negotiation process. Processes imply multiple steps.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:28 am

    How in the heck is 8/132 a low ball offer? If that IS even the offer?
    • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:36 am

      I was referring to the published $100 Million figure that hit the media.
  • Mitch Petanick October 11, 2012 at 9:36 am

    I didn’t think it was a lowball offer – I just don’t understand why it had to be made public about what they plan on offering him. Everyone knew they were trying to re-sign him already. All this has been is a war of words since about early August. When David was asked about his future with the team back then, I wrote a piece about how I thought what he said was just a clever PR move as well. He said everything right – he wants to end his career a Met…money wasn’t as important as winning…but he left the window open a crack for last minute escape when he said he wanted to see the direction the team was headed in before he signed anywhere. Now, after another dismal season, the Mets shout from the mountain tops for all to hear that they want to lock up Wright to a career ending deal. Almost like it was a planned attempt to distract the fans from another crappy year.

    I hope they do sign David Wright – but I have lost faith in this organization, and I will believe that they are serious about signing David when he signs on the dotted line.

    As for the voices…they probably resulted from being a Mets, Jets, and Knicks fan all these years!
    • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:38 am

      Same reason every deal turns public. Why does it matter? It’s a good starting point, after you read the entire link it implies a 8/132M deal.
      • Mitch Petanick October 11, 2012 at 9:43 am

        If it doesn’t matter, then why have you commented the most on this article so far?
        • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:44 am

          LOL, good question. Maybe I am trying to understand why people get so caught up in rumors.
          • Mitch Petanick October 11, 2012 at 9:48 am

            Cause it’s fun to analyze all this…it would be boring otherwise
            • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:56 am

              True, but my point with all the rumors is that we take them as true without really any thing to go on. Then we bash one side or the other based on something John Heyman or Matt Cerrone said?
              • Mitch Petanick October 11, 2012 at 10:43 am

                I respect what Matt Cerrone has done building metsblog, but baseball-wise I would never waste my time analyzing anything that came out of his mouth.
                • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:44 am

                  I am just saying that those were the first two to come out with this offer. Cerrone quoting Heyman and then another “source”.
                  • Mitch Petanick October 11, 2012 at 10:53 am

                    So the thought that this might just be a clever PR move never crossed your mind? You are completely convinced that the Mets will lock up David? I don’t see how you can have that confidence in this organization at this point.

                    Like I said in the article, I’m not saying the Mets won’t sign David…but my intuition is telling me otherwise … My Sanderson-sense is tingling
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:56 am

                    What I am saying is it’s way too early to make a judgment and I see no way that an 8 year 132M deal regardless of who leaked it has any sinister plot behind it. If that’s as much as the Mets want to go and Wright wants more then so be it. It’s obviously though in my mind a great starting point.
                  • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 11:03 am

                    There is no too early here dude…
                    If this deal isn’t done by the time the Winter Meetings are held Wright is gone!

                    You don’t really expect Sandy to spend the entire offseason dealing with Wright when he has all these other issues to contend with thanks to all those expiring 1 year deals and failed signings he made the previous two years.

                    Mitch is correct! There is something fishy about this leak.
                    Leaks are usually put out there for a damn good reason and that reason is usually to sway the public opinion one way or another when two sides are far apart on a subject.

                    I’m sure the Ike leak was pretty much the same thing! Someone thought Ike was a problem and got shot down and decided to make his case to the public.

                    Knowing how cryptic, evasive and secretive Sandy usually is why would this get out at all?
                    Why lay your cards on the table like this?
                    Only one reason that makes any sense….
                    There is a problem with the negotiations regarding numbers or years and one side decided that they had better get thier offer out there in hopes the public will back them so if it falls apart no one can say they didn’t try.

                    Only other thing that makes any sense would be if they want to start at that number and have decided to negotiate via the press…
                    Never a good idea!
                  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 11:10 am

                    I will close my replies to you with:
                    “There is no too early here dude…”

                    I completely agree that certainly is the norm.
    • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:44 am

      Well said, Mitch. I don’t think any creditable offer is a lowball offer if it starts the negotiation process. I personally have been critical of Peter Greenberg spilling Reyes’ demands to the press in order to pressure the Mets. Similarly, the Mets are unfortunately using the press to pressure David. With only a few exceptions, none of which come to my mind, it is always wrong. The two principal parties should negotiate directly and not thru third party press writers who may have a clammy agenda.
      • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:45 am

        Again, who leaked the offer? Do we even know?
        • Des October 11, 2012 at 9:48 am

          I don’t think it was David.
          • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:57 am

            Could have easily been his agent, could have been a Mets janitor, could be Heyman speculating, could be someone from the players union… Again, I can’t assess blame for something that hasn’t even happened.
            • Des October 11, 2012 at 10:02 am

              TRS86 — Please. Didn’t happen at all? LOL
              • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:08 am

                Have the Mets came out and publicly stated an offer for Wright?
    • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 12:31 pm

      For the record…the Yanks did the same thing to Derek Jeter…which he was crying about…

      they published the max number they were willing to go and basically set the market for him…

      Right now the Mets have offered 100 mil to David Wright…who is coming off a year where he hit 21 HR and hit atrociously in the 2nd half…

      The Mets have publicly set the market for David…if David has a 2013 worse than his 2012…do u think another team is going to offer him 180 mil for 8 years?

      nope !

      they all are going to look at the 100 mil mark the mets set as a barometer…

      and the market for his services is not that wide…

      No one in the NL is going to give a 3B with declining range and power a 7 year deal…

      I can see him being a man of his word…and not taking MAX money to go to a contender…

      The Orioles would be a PERFECT fit for David…

      Young team…with leadership already in place…good hitters ball-park…also in a division with other hitter ballparks…David can have nice numbers…and be in contention…and be close to home….with a nice appreciative crowd…and an ownership that has money…
      • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 12:59 pm

        But the number the Yanks set jeter at was far above what anyone else would have paid.

        Not the case here.
        Someone in the league would give him 18-20 Mil per despite what you guys think of Wright.

        Because they aren’t as concerned with money as Met fans seem to be.
        • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 1:14 pm

          not really…it was a 3 year 51 mil contract with a 1 year option…the avg salary is 16 mil…for someone who is that big of a draw…I can EASILY see the RedSox, Tigers ( hometown team ), and a few others bidding for his services…

          of course Derek Jeter’s value is highest when he is in pinstripes…but if he wanted to leave…the yanks would be screwed…

          Derek Jeter was drafted in 1992…the yanks have yet to find another all-star infielder through the draft system…thats almost 20 years they have had to prepare for this time and Derek Jeter still has em by the balls
          • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm

            In a year when many were saying Jeter was liy done and not going to get the same offer from anyone else…

            No one based on his performance that year was going to offer jeter that much!

            The only reason the Yankees did was for the same reason the Mets have made an offer.
            Because the PR hit would be worse than paying him the money!
            • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 2:05 pm

              The Mets have several options to replace David Wright…Murphy and Flores….not to mention Hairston also can play either 2B or 3B if my memory serves me correct…

              The yankees backup plan for Reyes is either Tulo or Reyes…I believe the Marlins structured their contract with the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers or White Sox in mind…
              • stick October 11, 2012 at 2:34 pm

                I assume you meant backup for Jeter. and yes, the contract for reyes was built to trade.
                • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 3:58 pm

                  yeah sorry…i meant backup plan for Jeter
• MDonaldWilpon October 11, 2012 at 9:33 am

  Until the Wilpons actually do something that enhances the baseball product on the field, every move the Mets make will be seen through the prism of self preservation. And they’ve earned that.

  They are trying to get out in front of this. If David’s agents refute that story, it will make the Mets look terrible and increase their leverage while pissing off the fan base.

  It’s gonna be another lump of coal for Christmas.
• MetsWatchman October 11, 2012 at 9:58 am

  Most definately this could be a ruse. David Wrights days as a NY Met could very well be numbered. Wright has always been a stand-up guy both on and off the field throughout his career. Always a true class act, which is why we have to take him for his word that winning, and not money, will be his priority when signing a long term deal. I know there are not many players who have done this, but he certainly will not be the first to take less money to be where he wants to be, part of a winning organization.

  OK….here’s how I see the clever ruse playing out: the Wilpons knowing full well the negative impact Wright’s departure will have on already declining attendance, will put the ball in his court and offer him a very fair and lucrative contract as a PR move only. Of course they know he will turn it down because there is no way this current Mets ballclub can be turned around fast enough to satisfy Wright’s desire to win. So even though these bafoons have been failed to assemble a contending team all these years, now they make Wright look like the bad guy who doesn’t want to stay in NY.

  The 2013 season begins and Wright is still on the team because the Wilpons will not allow Alderson to trade him (bad PR). The team, of course, still wont be competitive throughout next year’s campaign for Wright to stay. The Wilpons knowing this, are faced with either trading him at the deadline or keeping him and getting nothing for him. Once again knowing the negative impact of his departure, they will choose the same route they chose with Jose Reyes, opting to get nothing, and keep him for the remainder of the season. Again, another total PR move. Now the season ends and Wright officially declares free agency. The Wilpons once again throw a fair, mega deal at Wright’s feet, which he will probably turn down because the Mets will have just completed yet another sub .500 season in 2013. So, to the average fan who really doesn’t truly understand baseball’s business side, its going to look like Wright is the bad guy turning his back on all his loving NY fans. A perfect public relations plan to save face for this failed organization

  As a Mets fan since the team’s inception into the league, and a David Wright fan (the greatest home-grown position player in the team’s 50 year history), I wish him well. My guess is he will be the Atlanta Braves 3rd baseman beginning 2014.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Damn Wilpons, doing this to Wright “put the ball in his court and offer him a very fair and lucrative contract” The humanity. Must be a ruse.
• srt October 11, 2012 at 10:13 am

  Does anyone read the MLBTR weekly chat?
  From yesterday on Wright – question and answer:

  Comment From Burnboll
  Explain why you don’t think David Wright will sign for 100 mil with the Mets. Could there be a reason why Mets mentions the number?

  Ben Nicholson-Smith:
  I think his value is well in excess of $100MM. The Mets would no doubt like to sign him at that price, but I don’t think it’s realistic. Zimmerman signed for more, even coming off a partial season. What other elite player signed for $100MM recently? Everyone else gets far more, and I don’t think Wright should/would sign for less than $150MM. In my view $200MM is very much within reach.
  ************************************************************************************

  $200MM? I’ll be very surprised if he gets that from the Mets.
• Metsie October 11, 2012 at 10:17 am

  If you want to identify WHO is the “unnamed source” all you need to do is ask who stands to gain the most by that information being out there.

  And this one CLEARY (as pointed out by Mitch) benefits the team not Wright.

  That doesn’t mean it’s Sandy leaking this it could even be a Wilpon or Jeffy’s Spy/Nanny John Ricco.

  I personally think it is a lowball offer. The details are not clear as to how long this deal actually is, It is said to take him to retirement but it tends to suggest that Wright will retire at age 36 or 37 unless he is taking a severe pay cut.

  100M divided by 6 comes to 16.6 Mil per year. Add the Option year he already has and it’s a 7 year 116 Mil total offer.

  Wright is 29 and in 7 years he will be 36. Thats a Met for Life? He’s done playing baseball at 36?

  Players like Wright don’t retire at 36! Sorry this is not a “Met for Life” offer. The only one who would leak this is a TEAM source because they want to portray this as making Wright a Met for life when they clearly just making an offer for his last remaining years as a young player.

  It’s going to take more than that 100M offer. Maybe another year via option or incentive based markers but this is not enough to Make Wright a Met for Life and certainly well below Market value in the MLB.

  I personally think the reason this was leaked was because they know the Money isn’t really the issue as much as what they plan to do in the future is. And to that they have no answer!

  If they had a half a brain in thier head they would really play up Wrights desire to see them go after some players to make a winner. By doing so they could get Wright to agree to lesser money than 16 Mil per early in the contract (even replacing the Option year to reduce the money for next year) so they could use the savings towards getting a player that would meet both Wright and Dickey’s definition of DOING SOMETHING to compete.

  One thing to note if the posted rumors of Wright wanting to wait until after the WS are over is true it says one VERY IMPORTANT thing to me…

  He wants to see what and who we might talk to this FA cycle before he commits to anything here.
  And that says the moves we make are more important than the money involved.
• Met Maniac October 11, 2012 at 10:18 am

  Mitch – This it your best article here to date! You nailed this front office right on the head. They operate like snakes slithering their way around and deceiving the multitude and majority of fans. They know exactly what to leak and when to leak it.
  • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Well if they do know what to leak then they did a terrible job of it at the deadlines and last year with Reyes. I guess if we go under the premise that they are the leak then at least they are learning from their mistakes.
    • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 1:07 pm

      You forget that in Reyes’ case they really did NOT want to resign him and if an offer was leaked they might have leaked something Reyes would come out and say he would take to stay which was not what they wanted.

      They didn’t want to set the Market on Reyes because if they had he might not get another offer and leave. They would then be stuck with him and whatever offer was leaked.

      The goal last year was to not set the bar, let someone else set it and then say Oh well we were just shy of that mark and have plausible deniability and the option to say he went for the money when really what he did was go to the team that made an offer.
• TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:23 am

  Jon Heyman of CBS Sports said yesterday that the Mets will start with a six-year, $100 million offer, which includes an option.

  This is in addition to the 16M deal for 2013.
  Thus his actual contract offer would be 8 years 132M keeping him a Met until 2020.
  • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 10:42 am

    A six year deal that includes an option means it’s a 5 year deal with an option in year 6!
    Add the option year he already has and it still is saying Wright retires at 36!

    And they might not take the option when he’s 36!
    • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 10:46 am

      LOL, dammit I will break my moratorium.

      The deal implies according to Heyman and Cerrone (again not my favorite sources, lol) that it’s 6 years plus this year’s option plus another option.

      “Based on Heyman’s reporting, along with what I’m hearing, it suggests the Mets intend to offer a six-year deal to start after next season, during which Wright will be paid the $16 million option that completes his current deal. So, the current option (2013) plus the new deal would mean (starting next season) Wright would be under contract for seven years (2013-2019) with another option for 2020.”
      • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 10:55 am

        Now do the math and tell me how much per year he is making if what you say (they say granted) is true…
        A half mil raise for the next 6 years?

        And what does that option really mean he is retiring at 37 instead?

        Again the numbers don’t really seem to add up to what they claim.
        He’s going to settle for half a mil more per year and retiring at 37 is a MET FOR LIFE?
        • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 11:00 am

          Again Metsie, the only thing we have to go by is a report from Heyman added to by Cerrone. At this point counting next year’s option and the final option (assuming it’s the same rate as the previous year) it comes to around 8/132M. That’s all we have to go on.
          • Met Maniac October 11, 2012 at 11:09 am

            Why in the world do you make everything Heyman, Rubin or whatever out to be a lie? I’m just curious. I ask because you run your own blog. What the heck do you write about over there if you ignore legitimate rumors? Also when will you learn that most leaks are intentional and come straight from a teams front office either directly or indirectly. How do you not know that? I know you are not a teenager posting from your bedroom at your parent’s house, so I’m in awe of your strange attitude toward any and all rumors. You go on a rampage everytime a post is made based on the latest rumors, why? LOL, I think it’s hilarious.
            • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 11:11 am

              Didn’t say it was a lie. Just saying it’s all we have to go on.
          • Metsie October 11, 2012 at 11:17 am

            Agrede, thats ALL we have to go on….

            So disect what you know and tell me how all the pieces fit?

            I’m saying they don’t really fit…
            The Money no matter how you decide to split it up into years is a marginal raise (Less than Mil per or if the option is bigger a pay CUT!)

            And the length being what it is unless you can make it out to be a 9 year deal is still saying Wright is retiring mid-thirties.

            Thats hardly what you can call a MET FOR LIFE….

            Nothing adds up, I can’t say it’s the actual offer the Mets have made or intend to make….
            But if it is (and why should we assume they just made up thier own numbers) then it sure isn’t what they seem to suggest it is nor is it what anyone reasonable person should expect Wright to take!

            Sure it sounds like a great deal for the Mets…
            But only if Wright takes it, otherwise it’s a very bad offer if your wanting to retain his services.

            I contend it is the REAL number they want to offer and don’t want to go a penny more.
            It’s a bit lowball compared to market rate and doesn’t REALLY address his desire to be a Met for Life.

            Which says to me (and Mitch apparently) it was leaked to look like they are making a reasonable offer knowing full well he won’t take it and going to trade him because when all is said and done they would rather trade him than sign him if they had thier choice with no PR ramifications to get in the way.

            So they made an offer he COULD and WOULD refuse so they can do what they really have wanted all along, trade him for more cheap kids and by getting rid of the one guy that carry’s the team will not have to deal anymore with these competitive seasons they have had the past two years at the deadline so they can get on with doing what they came here to do.

            Create a homegrown, young, cheap, moneyball team, and get out of dodge before the Fans start a lynch mob.
            • Heybatter October 11, 2012 at 12:54 pm

              I’d say judging by the rate of decline in his game, he will be done in 6,7,or 8 years, thereby making him a MET for life (baseball life).
              • TRS86 October 11, 2012 at 12:55 pm

                Yeah by 2020 he would be what 37? That’s old enough.
• Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm

  The thing is…the mets dont have to lowball Wright….

  Trading Wright can be made to be an extremely intelligent baseball related decision…unfortunately…the decision to sign/re-sign Wright is not based on intelligence but on $$$…and this is why the mets can not explain to the public why they cant sign Wright to a long term contract…

  the constant lying to the public has caught up to the wilpons…its about time
• this is stupid October 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm

  come on jessup, trs clearly wasn’t attacking you…
• Joey D. October 11, 2012 at 4:11 pm

  Oh it is definately for public relations considerations – they might talk but not offer him a formal contract until they have a radar on David’s true desire to be a winner as opposed to being with the Mets – a virtual guarantee for a non-winner. If they see that is the case they might offer a token contract which his agent will reject and that way it is more than saying they should have sent him chocolates.
• Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 6:43 pm

  LMAO Matt Cerrone STILL spreading lies to the children

  “He’ll make $25 million next year, after which he’ll be a free agent. He’s now good, not great. But, he doesn’t have to be what he was six years ago. 25 starts and 140 innings, to the tune of 3.50 ERA, would be just fine…”

  Johan at the MOST will make 20 mil next year..and if he is traded, and meets certain standards…can turn his club option to a player option…and/or rip it up for a new deal ( which would mean he only made 15 mil next year )

  then when mentioning potential met starters….throws in jeremy hefner…chris young…

  no mention of Jennry Mejia…aka the best met SP prospect not named Wheeler…

  these clowns are so bad at masking it…
  • Mr North Jersey October 11, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Santana is due to make $25.5M in 2013. He also has $5M deferred every year which would reduce what he gets in 2013 to $20.5M. He also has a $5.5M buyout on his 2014 team option that if the team decides to not exercise it the total becomes $26M.
    He has a full no trade clause and he can turn the team option to a player by either pitching 215 innings in 2013, winning the Cy Young award or ranking 2nd or 3rd in the Cy Young. If Santana exercises the option he would then be paid $20.5M in 2013 instead but be paid $25M in 2014. This is based on how Cot’s contracts breaks it down.
    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=158

    I’m open to the idea that I am reading this wrong or that this information is just not accurate so if you have something that says otherwise I am more than willing to read it.
    • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      sure…first…as I said, 5 mil is DEFERRED, so 25 mil is already inaccurate…if Santana is traded to team X in July…and is able to pitch x amount of innings….he has 2 choices…

      1 – he can terminate the buyout and execute the player option for 26 mil
      2 – he can terminate the buyout and become a free-agent

      This means Santana in 2013 potentially only gets 15 mil…not guaranteed 25…and certainly not guaranteed 25 from the mets…

      the mets traded k-rod to the brewers….who used him as a setup man so his option wouldnt execute…and THEY PAID HIS BUYOUT in 2012…

      So yes, Sandy lied
      • Just_Da_Damaja October 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6773904/milwaukee-brewers-negotiate-francisco-rodriguez-deal-remove-games-finished-clause

        actually the brewers restructured his contract so they can use him in any capacity…

        “The Brewers, already committed to pay at least $3.5 million in a possible buyout of that option, negotiated with Rodriguez’s agent, Scott Boras, a larger buyout of $4 million — in return for a restructuring of the games-finished clause.”

        The Brewers were going to pay 3.5…but they negotiated with K-Rod to restructure the deal and paid an additional 500K…

        either way…the Mets in June of 2011 were on the hook for the buyout…by July 2011, they were no longer on the hook…

        You cant guarentee Santana will make 25 mil, much less that the Mets will be responsible for it…

        UNLESS of course you were just fudging the numbers so u can justify crying broke in December
        • Mr North Jersey October 11, 2012 at 8:54 pm

          As best as I can tell I think the mistake you might be making is your trying to subtract the $5.5M buyout from the $20.5M. That $5.5M is not part of the $25.5M to begin with so you can not subtract it.

          It is $25.5M at 1st no matter what and you then subtract the $5M deferred leaving $20.5M. The $5.5M buyout would only be added to the $20.5M if the option is not exercised and he is bought out.
      • Mr North Jersey October 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm

        “first…as I said, 5 mil is DEFERRED, so 25 mil is already inaccurate”

        Ok so $25.5M is now $20.5M.

        “if Santana is traded to team X in July…and is able to pitch x amount of innings….he has 2 choices…

        1 – he can terminate the buyout and execute the player option for 26 mil
        2 – he can terminate the buyout and become a free-agent”

        If he is traded or not the only way he can turn the team option to a player is as listed above. If you know of another one I look forward to you showing where you read it.

        “This means Santana in 2013 potentially only gets 15 mil…not guaranteed 25…and certainly not guaranteed 25 from the mets…”

        Again where are you getting $15M from? He will get no less than $20.5M in 2013 based on the deferred money and if the option is exercised.
• alan October 12, 2012 at 5:20 am

  Once and for all fellas…..stop comparing this year’s situation with signing David Wright to that of the Reyes situation last year. For what it is worth, Sandy A decided that Jose was far too much of a risk injury wise to offer a 5 or more year deal at the numbers forecast. With Ruben Tejada waiting in the winds and the belief that he could handle the shortstop position, the team could slash payroll which it had to do. Obviously, no other team offered equal trade value at the trading deadline in 2011. Did Sandy want too much in return that he was willing to gamble that Jose would give the team a discount in order to stay in NY? Does anyone know for sure?

  A GM must have a plan and Sandy A’s plan was and still is to be pitching rich in the starting rotation. If Zack Wheeler is ready to step up and join Harvey, Niese and a resigned Dickey as the first 4 in the rotation we could be awesome in that department. A healthy Dillon Gee and a stronger Johann Santana will give the starting staff even more depth. Santana will never be the ace for 200 innings but he can still offer the team a lot. He’s getting a lot of money still and he will be here for a while longer.

  The Wright and Dickey situations will be settled one way or the other before the winter meetings are over. The brass knows what the fans want and knows that they need to be diligent to give them that

  .
  • Joey D. October 12, 2012 at 9:25 am

    HI Alan,

    I agree from a baseball perspective, not re-signing Jose Reyes and giving the opportunity to Tejada had and still does have it’s validity. However, there were just as many reasons to attempt to re-sign him as well.

    The bottom line is that the Mets were not going to re-sign him because they did not have the money to do so – proven because none of the money that could have been offered to Reyes was used to fill other roster spots.

    Taking into account the across the board cost cutting, includng draft picks, signing of inexpensive players – the entire Wilpon financial quagmire – Jose would have been gone even if there was no Ruben Tejada. Just like KRod was gone even though we had no other closer. Just like Pagan who was traded in a two for one deal while we had no one to replace him in center other than Torres. Just like we got rid of Beltran with nobody to replace his bat.

    IF the Mets made other moves to improve the club but felt Jose was not in the future – then I would agree it was a decision reached in terms of baseball and economic commmitment. But, just like with all the other moves, it was simply another in a long series of decisions – baseball and non-baseball – done to offset the Wilpon’s debt payments and retainage of club ownership.

    It fits into the pattern.