Comments on: What Can The Mets Learn From Detroit’s Success?

By: Donal

Donal — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:41:54 +0000

It is when your payroll is under $100 million and 2 of those players are Jason Bay and Johan Santana

By: Moose

Moose — Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:03:55 +0000

Alway Glad to see the yankees exit early from Playoffs.

I see the Yankees trading A-Rod to Miami who will they get in return. one question to start asking here will jetter return from his ankle injury. If not will the yankees bring retes back to NY or will they get Heath Bell in return?

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:52:56 +0000

1 – Catchers are important to the pitching staff and defense
2 – Pudge was credited with helping turn around that staff
3 – Pudge was credited with the 2003 Florida pitching staff as well

There are before/after comparisons with both Florida ( 2002 ) and Detroit ( 2003 ) that back up my claim.

Not sure what the point you were trying to make

By: Joey D.

Joey D. — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:17:30 +0000

Even if the Tigers did not catch up to a stumbling White Sox team down the stretch, the important thing is that the team off Lake Michigan made attempts to improve itself over the years unlike it’s counterpart off Flushing Bay that did not. And that big market teams which did not make it to post-season like Los Angeles, Anaheim and the White Sox did so as well.

With those teams, there is the frustration and disappointment over questionable moves that went wrong. With us there is instead the anger and resentment over no moves at all other than being the sellers of good talent and the buyers of “inexpensive” ones.

One must also remember in 2010 while playing in a weak division, the Detroit Tigers were only able to muster an 81-81 record while the Mets playing in the tougher National League East and beset by injuries finished just two games worse at 79-83. The Tigers won just 88 games this year and are going to the world series. The Cardinals also won just 88 games this year and at this point seem headed in the same direction. Did that 2010 team have so little talent that with some additions they could not have produced nine more victories this year as well, if not more?

That is what could be learned from Detroit’s success this year and I am sure the Wilpons are well aware of it but cannot invest in keeping the team competitive. If they weren’t victims of the Madoff scheme there would be no need for a Sandy Alderson in the front office and then we might be back to feeling frustrated and disappointed rather than angry and resentful.

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:54:50 +0000

One thing I and others have been saying is that the yankees are built for the regular season…but not the post-season

2005 vs Angels- .253 w. 4 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2005_ALDS2.shtml

2006 vs Detroit- .246 w/ 4HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2006_ALDS1.shtml

2007 vs Cleveland- .228 w/ 7 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2007_ALDS2.shtml

2008 – NO playoffs

2009 – WS

2010 vs Twins – .314 w/ 4 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2010_ALDS2.shtml

2010 vs Texas – .201 w/ 6 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2010_ALCS.shtml

2011 vs. Detroit – .268 w/ 4 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2011_ALDS1.shtml

2012 vs Baltimore – .211 w/ 4 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2012_ALDS1.shtml

2012 vs Detroit – .157 w/ 3 HR
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/2012_ALCS.shtml

Their ballpark dimensions lend themselves to division titles and interesting games in October…however..as a ball-parks dimensions mask a pitchers deficiencies…they can also mask a lineup’s dificiencies

when the yankees face great pitching…their all / nothing approach fails….ironically…they have implemented successfully what Fred Wilpon wants to do…
get you interested enough to buy tickets all year…then just hope and pray they win a ring…
whether they do or dont…the fact that they have to split the profit kinda makes the post-season not as profitable as we think it should be

Well at least until they feel the wrath of their fair-weather fans who dont show up now…

this is going to be interesting

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:27:46 +0000

I was referring to the way they develop players…and the fact that they have their own model on how to do stuff that is consistent from the manager on down to the minors

and i believe they signed a big time IFA not too long ago

By: srt

srt — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:24:25 +0000

I’m not following your logic at all.
Only Ryan had a career in the MLs, but what’s your point?

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:23:45 +0000

FunFact:

I hear Jeff Wilpon to this day STILL tells people he was a former MLB player…

If you go to Sterling Enterprises website,

http://www.sterlingequities.com/about/leadership.php

he actually has it listed

“In 1983 he was drafted as a catcher by the Montreal Expos.”

FYI – he is the ONLY EXEC who does not list their college education….( i believe he dropped out of Michigan after he was drafted in the LAST ROUND….and quit after 1 week of spring training)

Yes ladies and gentleman…

This guy has had more influence over our club than any GM, manager, player in the past 15 years

He neither has baseball knowledge…nor a degree he can list….

but somehow he is the expert…

until he leaves…there is no such thing as an adult in the room…

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:17:52 +0000

Nolan Ryan vs Fred Wilpon

Both former pitchers…

Which owner do u trust to know more about baseball?

An owner can have his input…thats fine….

but take ownership for it ….or dont do it all …

the mets always use the GM position as a public pinata

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:10:59 +0000

Having been on the losing end of Jim Leyland’s teams all those years ago when he managed the Pirates I hated that he beat us back then but I can also say I respect what he has done as a manager in his career so coming into the post season one of the things I wanted to see if for nothing else nostalgic reasons was seeing Jim Leyland go up against Davey Johnson in the W.S.

Leyland held up his end but Davey was unable to. The Tigers are in the W.S. but I can’t help not forget that they spent most of the 2nd half in a battle with the White Sox for the division where up until the Sox basically imploded the last 2 weeks of the season the Tigers were in 2nd place for the most part. There was even a reported rumor that Leyland’s job was in jeopardy late in the season if they failed making the post season with Cabrera at one point taking a fans fire Leyland sign away.

The point is if not for the White Sox meltdown the last 2 weeks this post may have been about “What can the Mets learn from the White Sox success?” So while one can take away something from the Tigers success I can’t help but wonder how would the Tigers be viewed had the White Sox had not failed the last 2 weeks?

By: Lou

Lou — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:10:54 +0000

I believe the Mets are entering the winter of trades that will make us shake our heads but prove to be positive down the road. We’ll see.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:56:49 +0000

Nope I said what I meant to say in relation to your assessment.

By: srt

srt — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:55:55 +0000

You did not just imply the Wilpons getting more involved would be a good thing….did you?

Uh…no thanks.

By: Donal

Donal — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:46:43 +0000

Eh, I don’t like how the Twins tend to ignore IFAs.

“If a SP gets injured b/c he threw too many pitches…Nolan Ryan has egg on his face for abandoning the pitch count…”

Ya, that doesn’t really happen. Ryan is not making decisions like that. They hire actual coaches for a reason.

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:34:07 +0000

It really depends…

i have heard that a WS appearence/win has a downstream affect on revenue for the next 2-3 seasons.

this is why the phils were able to go crazy on Howard..

Playoffs in 2007-2008 ( WS )-2009 ( WS ) – 2010 – 2011 – added revenue to more than cover Ryan Howard’s crazy contract…and Lee/Doc and whoever else…

why?

attendance is at 104% capacity…

that happened when they started winning.

The Cubs also have a loyal following…who show up no matter how bad the team is doing..

They have finished in 5th place 5 of the out past 8 years…
They were 61-101 …and ranked 5th in total attendance…

that is an owners wet dream…

but that is NOT NY…

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:13:03 +0000

THIS!

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:10:22 +0000

It is when ur payroll is 95 mil !

the answer…INCREASE THE PAYROLL !!!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:03:58 +0000

What can we learn?

Having 77 Mil tied up in 4 players is not quite as debilitating as Sandy and his cheerleaders would have us believe!

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:15:05 +0000

so let me get this straight…

Age 20 – Catcher A – hits .371 in Brooklyn…has a 35% CS rate
Age 21 – Catcher B – hits .250 in Brooklyn…has a 32% CS rate

and in your eyes…Prospect A cant hold a candle to Prospect B

lol ok

whatever works for you

By: TruthsaboutMurphy

TruthsaboutMurphy — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:05:00 +0000

Jeez, enough about Jaun Centeno already! He stinks. He can’t hold a candle to Kevin Pawlecki.

He will be a backup at most in AAA when he’s fully developed. I’ve read you talking him up twice already and dude, it ain’t happening.