Comments on: The Curious Case Of Finding A Cy Young Winner

By: jessep

jessep — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 02:26:31 +0000

I will say this.

If the Dodgers win tonight and the Cardinals lose and Kershaw goes out tomorrow and throws a gem and the Cardinals lose – Kershaw is gonna win the Cy Young.

I think Dickey deserves it and I hope he does but Kershaw has every # but the win totals and if he pitches his team into the postseason, it will be fresh in the voters mind after Dickey’s “okay” final start.

(Note: Buster Posey just hit a HR for SF)

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:22:50 +0000

I was wondering if anyone was going to read the article TRS.

Clearly the pen only cost him 1 win and it came in a game he left trailing in which they rallied to take the lead making him the pitcher of record until the pen blew the game afterwards.

He won every game he left in which he had a lead and won 1 of the 2 games he left with it being tied.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:21:03 +0000

No, actually they haven’t. As I just showed you.

The only time they cost him a win was when he left the game LOSING. His team just happened to bail him out before another pitcher took the mound.

Yes technically he would have been the winner but it would have been a cheap win.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:16:37 +0000

Well first off OBVIOUSLY the bullpen could not cause him a loss..They have cost him a Win or two though.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:59:43 +0000

TRS: Right he was on the hook for a loss down 5-3 against Atlanta and the Mets took a 6-5 lead – but that’s a dirty way to get a win since he didn’t deserve it.

So I guess TECHNICALLY the bullpen cost him 1 win, but its a win he didn’t deserve allowing 5 runs in 5IP and not being in the game when his team took the lead.

Yet still, that’s 1 game not Kramer’s 2 as mentioned.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:54:59 +0000

Kramer – that isn’t true. The bullpen didn’t cost Dickey anything. Here is every loss and ND of R.A.’s

Sept 17 v. Phi 3-1 Loss: Dickey pinch hit for in 7th. Game was 3-1 at the time

Sept 11 v. Wash 5-3 Loss: Dickey pinch hit for in 7th down 3-2.

Aug 20 v. COL: Pinch Hit for in 1-1 game, No Decision (Mets lose 3-1)

Aug 15 v. Cin 6-1 Loss: Relieved by Hefner in 7th down 5-1

Aug 3 v. SD 3-1 Loss: Pinch hit for in 8th inning down 3-1

July 14 v. ATL : Pinch hit for down 5-3 in 6th – Mets took the lead in that inning but would later lose the game. No Decision, Mets lose 8-7

July 5 v. Phi: Pinch hit for in 7th inning down 5-4. Mets win game 6-5, No Decision.

June 24 v. NYY: Pinch hit for in 6th inning down 5-2, Mets tie the game that inning and lose 6-5. No Decision

May 17 v. Cin: Pinch hit for in 6th inning down 4-3, Mets win 9-4. No Decision.

April 30 v. HOU: Pinch hit for down 3-1 in 7th – Mets tied the game that inning and ended up losing 4-3 – No Decision

April 18 v. ATL: 14-6 loss, Relieved in the 5th down 8-4

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:46:05 +0000

“Remarkably, they also have pitched better than average even in Dickey’s starts that he didn’t win — even though the team has gone 2-10 in those games. In those Dickey starts, relievers gave up 16 runs in 29 and 2/3 innings. And nine of those runs came in Dickey’s two worst starts of the season — games he didn’t deserve to win after yielding a combined 13 runs in 9 and 1/3 innings. Yet he escaped with a no-decision in one of those games: While he threw his last pitch with the Mets trailing, his teammates rallied in the next half inning to take the lead while he was still the pitcher of record. Then the bullpen blew the lead. That was the only would-be Dickey win the bullpen has blown all season, and it didn’t come in a strong start.”

From NJ’s article above.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:44:15 +0000

You sure?

By: srt

srt — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:43:34 +0000

I fear in order for Dickey to have any shot with some of the voters he has to win his 21st game tonight.

It had better be all hands on deck behind Dickey tonight.

By: Kramer67

Kramer67 — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:42:30 +0000

Acosta and Parnell both blew leads that Dickey handed them this year.

By: jessep

jessep — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:30:09 +0000

jerseymet: The answer is 0 to my knowledge. All of his losses were on his own merit (or lack thereof)

August 20 v. COL – Pinch Hit for in 1-1 game, No Decision is the only game he pitched where he had the team in a spot to win and the bullpen lost it for him. But he still got a ND

The offense actually bailed him out twice:

July 14 v. ATL – Pinch hit for down 5-3 in 6th – Mets took the lead in that inning but would later lose the game. No Decision.

April 30 v. HOU – Pinch hit for down 3-1 in 7th – Mets tied the game that inning and ended up losing – No Decision

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:23:39 +0000

This might help answer that.
blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/09/28/why-dickey-has-the-mets-to-thank

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:22:30 +0000

Most likely not as many as his counterparts really.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:19:20 +0000

I think even if there was a player who had a slight statistical edge over Dickey that Dickey will get it anyway.

And for no other reason than he makes the much better Cy Young Story!

Where every other pitcher’s story will fill a column in the paper the Dickey story will fill the entire page.

So really if he can win tonite I feel it’s all his.
Only if he falls far from the pack (which is kind of impossible to do at this point) would he lose it.

By: jerseymet

jerseymet — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:18:05 +0000

Just a question how many games did Dickey lose via the bullpen?

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Tue, 02 Oct 2012 17:43:35 +0000

If Dickey wins his 21st game tonight he will join Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman and Dwight Gooden as the only Mets ever to have a season where they won 21 or more games. Seaver won the Cy Young 2 of the 3 times he did it and Gooden won it when he did it in 85 but neither Seaver or Koosman won the Cy Young the seasons they won 21 games.

Maybe Dickey can be the 1st.