so if David was worth 50 mil worth from April-July…then played like crap from August-October…it doesnt avg out to 25 mil…it stays at 50…

lmao

Omar would have gotten good players for all the salary he cut unlike Sandy who just cut it and got nothing back for it!
Other than Wheeler!

and would you consider the team better right now if they had traded everyone, started over, and won 62 games this past season?

Reyes is the total package – He can run, he can field, he can hit for average and has extra base power from the SS position. Also let’s not forget the energy he brings to the fans and the team. And how he can sometimes get a pitcher off his game because he’s such a threat on the base paths.

He’s a dynamic player that can do it all. It’s a disgrace that a NY team would let a talent like that walk away for basically nothing.

And Murphy? He’s solid hitter; but that’s it – He’s not a dynamic player like Reyes is.

He has since seen a glimpse of the dark side of the moon.

You know what is so sad Maniac?
With all the arguments, all the attacks and all the back and forth on Sandy deep down everyone agrees that things are worse not better around here and the only real difference is how each of us deal with it internally!

Some close thieir eyes and play the DENIAL game, make excuses for it and hope that they will wake up one day where things are better and the others just face the facts, deal with it head on and accept them without the need for mental subsidies to feel good about the day!

In the end BOTH SIDES agree this team is crap!
And whose job is it to see that it isn’t?
the GM!

Te rest is all about how best to deal with his failure…One uses Denial and Excuses while the other side uses Rage!

In a word, if they didn’t want Reyes around for any reason, then please obtain commensurate value for him.

Recently, I saw a news report that we signed a “can’t miss” 16-year old shortstop from the DR. I really wanted to puke.

We didn’t even make an offer to Reyes.

If we didn’t make an offer, then we had no intention of re-signing him.

If he had no intention of re-signing him, then he should have been traded at the deadline for Gary Brown-plus, or some other blue chip prospect that addressed an existing need.

To allow Reyes to walk without even making an offer is unforgivable to the umpteenth degree. It’s well beyond penny-wise/pound foolish.

The combination of a healthy Jose Reyes and Angel Pagan was greater than the sum of its parts, as Wright would follow them in the order. To dismantle that combination without reasonable compensation is simply incompetent and detrimental to the health of the organization at the highest level.

Clearly, Sandy dropped the ball and if he fell on a sword for the Wilpons, then he must be the ignominy.

Pagan+NYC+Depression= Recipe for disaster.

Which would work if the pitcher didn’t have the option of throwing strikes you don’t like to hit!

Thats the problem with “The Approach”

Angel said he needs to get back to the hitter he was and stop listening to too many voices. I don’t think Hudgens was the reason for his bad start. He got off to a bad start, got hurt and never really found his stroke. He also went back to making a lot of mental mistakes like he was making in 2009. He corrected a lot of those mistakes in 2010 and played an excellent CF. It’s not all that far fetched to think focus was part of his problem wiith the Mets last year.

2009 after he came off the DL he filled in for Reyes at the top of the order and filled in for Beltran in CF and he had his best season at the plate hitting over 300 with extra base power. He was shaky in CF and made a ton of mental mistakes.

2010 he for some reason lost the starting CF job to GMJ but once he hit his way into the lineup he was the most consistent Met up until he hit a wall in August and made hardly any mental mistakes at all as well as playing an excellent CF.

2011 he got off to a bad start trying to hit for more power and then got hurt, giving Jason Pridie a chance to play. When he came off the DL he started to hit a little better but never got into a groove like he was in 2010 and starting making the same boneheaded mistakes as he did in 2009 and looked like he never played CF before letting routine fly balls fall in, failing to take charge as a CFer.

Depression is nothing to sneeze at. That just might be what his problem was in 2011 with the Mets and why he frequently lost focus on the field, throwing to unoccupied bases, missing cutoff men by 10 feet and making inexcusable baserunning mistakes.

When Angel is focused and happy he was a helluva player, when he’s not he’s terrible. Terry Collins is also not the best guy to play for with players like Pagan. You can’t treat 25 guys the same. That’s why I don’t think Collins should be managing a MLB team. He doesn’t know how to handle different personalities. He also likes to pick on young guys IE Tejada and then placate veterans IE Bay and Torres.

As far as Pagan, yes, instead of trading him Sandy could have saved more than $4 million by releasing him and calling up to rookies (one of which he did with Kirk) but then he had to weigh in the pros and cons of what such a move would have caused with the paying public – not attempting to re-sign our all-star shortstop and releasing our starting center fielder at the same time – being well aware of the growing mistrust of the fanbase regarding the reasons for the player moves having already been made.

It seems the measures Sandy has taken in terms of keeping the franchise viable for the Wilpons to retain ownership has only made keeping the team even more costly for them. I do believe these measures were taken in part because the Wilpons are out of touch with the fan base (beginning with Citi Field built as a shrine to the Brooklyn Dodgers and assumng fans would pay whatever they decided to charge them) and that Sandy looks at things in terms of dollars and cents and thus both never thought it would come to a point where they would have to give tickets away.