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2012
Should The Mets Target Trevor Plouffe?
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The versatile Trevor Plouffe would be a nice cost effective addition. Oh, yeah and he can bring along those 24 jacks too!
Would you consider Trevor Plouffe as an option at second base or in the outfield? An article by Steve Adams on MLBTradeRumors discussed the Twins need for starting pitching, and mentioned that infielder Trevor Plouffe might be a possibility to be on the move. This article intrigued me because Plouffe can play all of the infield positions and has a lot of power which is something we need.
I’m not completely sold on Murphy being the future answer at second. He hits for a nice average, but as we saw, that does not drive in runs when we need it the most. He hit a lot of doubles, but didn’t even crack double figured in home runs. I won’t even discuss the outfield situation since almost any addition we make would be an upgrade.
The 26 year old Plouffe racked up 24 home runs and 19 doubles, while driving in 55 runs in just 422 at-bats. Plouffe played all four infield positions as well as both corner outfield positions for the Twins in 2012.
Heading into the off-season Sandy is looking to upgrade the power on this club, and find cost effective players to be starters. According to Cots Contracts Trevor Plouffe made $485,000 in 2012, and is not arbitration eligible until 2014.
What would be intriguing to the Twins?
They are not totally certain he is the answer at third base since they still have Danny Valencia. The Twins had some awful pitching in 2012, and are in search reliable arms. I would suggest a Bobby Parnell for Plouffe swap. Parnell could be a nice middle to back of the bullpen option for the Twinkies. While Plouffe could be a possibility at second or one in right field. We’re not completely sold on Parnell and the Twins are possibly in the same boat with Plouffe.
It’s an interesting trade possibility, and one that I would consider inquiring about if I were Alderson.
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I’d do that, for sure. He’d slot into the OF until you could move either Wright or Murph to open up a spot in the IF. BP is a wreck, but I never thought Parnell should be a lock to return. expand the deal somehow to get Span and then you are cooking!
Does he have an F12Rating? Or is that for pitchers? Or can F12Rating be adjusted with ISO?
I’ve been thinking about F12Rating all day. I feel once I learn it I’ll know things about baseball i never, ever knew before and combine that with PPPA? We are on the way to the World Series!!
Woo hoo all these ISOs and F12Ratings! It’s the secret formula!
oops, this was supposed to be a response for Alex, guess i got all caught up in F12Rating I lost my composure.
Noted. No worries.
How is your post relevant to anything I stated above?
F12 is a pitcher rating only.
Wow Mitch is a genius…..you started a cult following for F12!
So what’s the hitter’s equivalent? B12Rating?
There isn’t one
Well, let’s see, the Kid has an OBP of 301 and career 295.. Why on earth would we touch this guy? He’d be a total waste here, he doesn’t get on base.. Who cares if he’s 26 and hit 24 HR last year while in Minnesotta including 15 HR in that humongous ballpark, he can’t get on base.. plus, his WAR was 0.9, Yuck, his DWAR was a – 0.09 who would want that? his ISO was horrendous at 229. his WPA was a -0.9 ohhh and last but certainly NOT LEAST his PPPA?? 3.83!! when this team’s phylosophy is to see about 15 pitches Per Plate App this guy will be riding the bench.. Sabermetrics tells us mets fans as well as SA to stay away from this guy…
LOL, you’re freaking me out, what is ISO? Is Sandy Overmatched?
A .220 ISO is actually considered really good. It stands for Isolated Power and is a quick and dirty way to see how often a players hits for extra bases.
Alex, It seems you are using Sabermetrics to dislike this trade. Sorry, I’m cofused.
Alex,
An ISO is also a DVD image file. It is a snapshot of a DVD’s contents as opposed to a VOB file which is the DVD in file format, not image format.
ISO.
Intriguing. He did respond favorably to increased playing time and he does seem to address the power concerns.
My only concern is that yes, he played a lot of positions, but did he play any of them well? He doesn’t have any notable time in the outfield. What little he did spend in the OF seems to be because they had nowhere else to put him.
Twins gave up on Danny Valencia and he’s not even on the team anymore, he’s with the Red Sox. Also, why would they trade a cheap bat in their lineup?
For a cheap BP arm?
Because they really really need pitching
Twins need starting pitching the bullpen is fairly strong.
We need to stop considering guys who hit below 270 as improvement over guys who hit above .270!
We did that with Pagan and now we propose to do it with Murphy?
Mo Offense Dan I know your just striking up conversation but we have to get over this idea of trying to find BAD HITTERS to replace the good ones!
Fielding was not our problem last year Offense was and any attempt to degrade the batting is failure!
Besides if a guy like Murphy who hits well doesn’t drive in runs what the hell makes us think a sub .250 hitter is?
50 RBI sound great until you realize half of them were himself!
Because with consistent playing time and a normalized BABIP (Plouffe’s was .244 in 2012) he could theoretically be a .270 or so hitter. Whatever is lost in BA or OBP would be compensated for in power.
When they start playing games on a theoretical let us all know how he did….
On a Baseball field he hit has hit .231
I bet you thought that was clever.
I guess scouting is useless then, since they work in theoreticals as well. No point to projections, either.
How about you let me know when you are adult enough to talk about something complicated than your coloring book?
No dopey Scouting doesn’t work on theoreticals it works on LOOKING AT and SEEING what the player does!
And how much improvement is needed to complete the player to his best ability!
And as far as adults around here are concerned everyone else makes you look like a damn Zygote!
Your incapable of having an adult conversation because everything you spout is some fairytale you got read to you just before bedtime!
“No dopey Scouting doesn’t work on theoreticals it works on LOOKING AT and SEEING what the player does!”
And trying to figure out how that would translate to big league ball. How their skills will theoretically manifest in a system.
“And as far as adults around here are concerned everyone else makes you look like a damn Zygote!”
Awww, how cute. You got to chapter 2 of your biology text book.
“Your incapable of having an adult conversation because everything you spout is some fairytale you got read to you just before bedtime!”
And off come the Crazy Train’s wheels. Time to take your lithium.
There is no theory…If you wish to disclaim that then state the THEORY involved….
Time for you to take your head out of your ass and realize you are the LEAST repsected poster on MMO!
Your just a parrot who spouts crap he heard but doesn’t understand!
You got a problem with me then take it JoeD I’m sure he will have me banned like he has banned everyone else you decide to start your 3rd grade crap with!
Awww, poor little guy.
I’ll tell you what. I’ll give you the last word here (because you desperately need it) and go back to ignoring your insane little childish scrawlings.
This way, you don’t need to pretend you aren’t responsible for your own actions.
Your acting like you a three year old in Kindergarten….
Go jerk someone else off!
Since Rausch is not coming back and Fransico has proven injury prone, I am not crazy about this deal. Another guy who can’t hit for average and you figure his HR total will drop in Citifield. Sounds like you’re trading Parnell for another Lucas Duda.
Target Field is about middle of the road in park factors and more home runs were hit in Citi Field last year.
Target Field has generally played more as a pitcher’s park since opening.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Sandy sign Jose Canseco…He is available on the cheap
Whiel he’s at it…he might as well make Omar Minaya happy and finally sign Manny Ramirez!
if Omar got his way and we had Manny Ramirez in 2007/2008 instead of Lastings Milledge, Moises Alou and 100 other guys that played LF, we get 3 straight division titles
Anderson has made 4 trades as our GM and only one has worked out well and that’s Betran for wheeler. So he is 1/4. He needs to trade for outfield presence or the NY Mets may not even have attendance above 1.5 million next year . So Alderson has not proven himself during his short time here. More or two more bad trades and he will be gone sooner than Minaya.
Let’s wait and see IF the Wheeler trade works out first before saying it worked out
At this point, if u can get a top 5 SS or CF prospect straight up for Wheeler…would u do it?
a top 5 SS and move Tejada to 2B? Yes. A CF prospect? No i would not
oh wait you mean SS & CF prospects? No.
And even that one is still up for debate because if Wheeler’s arm falls off next season not even that deal will have turned out to be good.
I’m not targeting anyone whose name I cant pronounce correctly.
I knew it! I knew you had something against Nieuwenhuis.
The GOOD :
“When they start playing games on a theoretical let us all know how he did….
On a Baseball field he hit has hit .231″
The BAD:
“And trying to figure out how that would translate to big league ball. How their skills will theoretically manifest in a system”
The UGLY:
“And as far as adults around here are concerned everyone else makes you look like a damn Zygote”
I am quite skeptical of this target due to a complete lack of experience with him. I prefer to watch a guy play some before I form an opinion and I haven’t seen him yet. However, Using past stats can overcome this deficiency but in this case one year of moderate power and no way to tell if he can play RF adequately I am forced to say no.
Pass. From what I read about him, he’s not a very skilled defender, and when you break down his numbers, you’ll that he’s only had one really good stretch in his career. It’s very possible that stretch he had was just a fluke.
He seems like a nice utility guy though, or a good RH bat off the bench(he has good numbers against lefties), but I won’t give up anthing good for him.
Not for Parnell, I’d prefer Gee and McHugh type, but we need somebody that can play cf also because sure as sht Kirk will get nicked up but I’m ALL for power and Plouffe has some and some versatility, he’d would be a nice addition… Now we can talk bigger trade w Twins and add Mauer that could be a sic trade, but Mauer gets $23million per year thru 2018, I wouldn’t be surprised if the twins took Bay and Santana to rid a hugh contract, it would let us move on as well..
His WAR was ….His dWAR was …. His ISO was …. His BABIP was…..His toilet paper wasnt double ply. His batting gloves were white. Man, when fans start spewing the sabermetric stats to disapprove of a trade, a DePodesta gets his wings.
If he is another guy with just enough glove to stand at a lot of spots, without really playing any of them well, pass. They really need some better defensive players.
and just looking at those numbers, he really looks all or nothing. 55 RBIs off 24 HRs is not that easy to do.
Isn’t that kind of a correlation to the Twins ability to get people on base?
obviously that will hurt him if all the other guys on the team get OB as infrequently as he does!
but still very low RBIs for that many HRs
First off I like the suggestion of Plouffe for Parnell, but the Twins got rid of Danny Valencia some time ago during the regular season in a trade with the Red Sox. The Twins needs pitching and Parnell for Plouffe I would support 100 percent.
I would love to see Trevor Plouffe… He adds pop to the lineup and is a much better fielder than murphy.. and younger.
*Send over Murphy/Parnell to Twins…. for Trevor Plouffe(2B) and Ben Revere(CF/LF)
-adds speed and pop and defense right away all three we need
*Send Neise/Mejia/Duda to AZ for Upton(RF)
-locks up a 5 tool RF for next 4 years UPTON is a great move..
*Send over Gee/Valdyspin to Seattle for Jaso (C) and Wilhelmsen (closer)
-Jaso is a young good catcher Seattle is deep there and Wilehmsen is a closer we need and Jaso is a great C
-they will need another SP so Gee slides in nice.
**Sign Grady Sizemore (LF/CF) no brainer here…he will get 2 yrs 5million .. $ its a steal he is 30yrs old and is auto upgrade with high level of potential coming back.. DO THIS PLEASE!! Resign Harriston as well and can swap in out as needed… great rotation with this guy and Harriston and Upton and Revere…
*Sign Hisashi Iwakuma SP He is a great 3 SP or 4 and has #2 stuff .. he will be reasonable valued and could get for 3 yrs 20mil$ he never walks guys goes 6+ always and is steady as hell …
*Sign Gavin Floyd SP he is a great SP .. he will be less than he is gettin now which is 9mil a yr.. but the guy could ask for 7mil a year for 3 yrs… he is 6+ inning 6+ K guy each time out…
*Sign Maicer Izturis (IF) he can play 3B-SS-2B and if Sizemore goes down you can put Revere in CF Plouffe LF and Maicer in at 2B without losing much of anything.. as well as giving Wright or Tejeda a breather he can work with both young infielders to help them .. he is speedy .. sure handed and a veteran.. grab him if can get him …
*Sign Mike adams for bullpen.. he is just so solid and sures up the pen for the season with young old mix we hav
SP:RA Dickey
SP:Harvey
SP:Santana
SP:Iwakana
SP:FLoyd
**SP:With Wheeler knocking on the door when one goes down ….
RP:Familia/Whilhelsen/Edgerin/Rodrgiguez/Rauch/Carlson/Adams(Pelfrey perhaps as well)
1.Ben Revere (CF)
2.Sizemore (LF)
3.Wright (3B)
4.Davis (1b)
5.Upton (RF)
6.Plouffe (2b)
7.Jaso (C)
8.Tejada (SS)
9. PITCHER
This team adds 70SB’s with Revere.. Upton.. and Sizemore.. from the 10 we got fromthe OF last year..Adds 24 HRs at 2nd compared to 6… and 10 HR at Catcher with Jaso who only played half the games from the 8 combined from all 4 catchers last yr.. he may hit 15+.. it also allows Wright to have protection from Upton and Sizemore and sets the table for him . We keep Harriston and Nuienhuis as rotating bench guys in case the cheap Sizemore doesnt work out..and Turner/baxter on bench as well.
We add solid starters.. upgrade the speed.. and add HR’s and Runs.. SB/s and RBI’s.. while totally upgrading C defense… OF defense across the board.. and 2B defense from Murph who plays in the fuckin OF … lol .. sures up Closer and setup men.. and allows Fro veteran SP’s to bring along young guys while pitching well themselves..
DO THIS !!!! lol
Before you start sounding like a Mets authority maybe you should check out simple facts…like we dont even have Valencia anymore, as one of your readers had to point out. Then u want to trade his 24 homers for a below average reliver. How about you throw in a Jose Reyes, then we might make that deal. Im assuming you didnt know he was playing in Miami! Nice writing.
The twins traded valencia to the redsox