Signing draft picks? It’s a crap shoot especially when you are dealing with kids that are still growing physically and kids who have excelled but against lousy competition. Do you look to sign the best player available regardless of what your needs are now? You bet but then you end up having 2-4 guys in the upper part of the system while you still have a Jose Reyes on the team. Our GM decided that Ruben Tejada was ready and that the risks with Jose did not merit the further drain on team finances for the near future. Smart move if you ask me!

Let’s face it…for most players, loyalty means squat! David Wright wants to stay in NY but he will not be low balled by Sandy. If David decides to ask for the moon….then Sandy will see what he can get in a trade. Will most of us want to see David leave? No, but if he was traded for the right value and that value performed well….we would move on to fixing the other pieces of the puzzle. The one thing that won’t happen will be losing him and getting nothing in return.
like they did with Jose. The Marlins payed way too much for a guy with his baggage of health problems. I’d bet that they would not make the same offer if they had to do it today. Looks like they are now dumping salary too.

I guess that you too feel that we need to be patient a bit longer! I think we will be pleasantly surprised by the time we start the 2013 season!

You don’t trade Beato for Shoppach if your building from within or via the Minors…
You don’t trade a 29 year olf for a 34 and 30 year old who suck and are not worth keeping.

And you don’t let two established players (K-Rod and Reyes) leave for consolation prizes!

The only deal that seems to fit what you think Sandy is doing is Beltran for Wheeler and the truth is rental or not they didn’t get enough back!

Beltran is twice the player Wright is and yet you guys all think Wright is going to bring you a windfall of top prospects….

And to not sign half your draft class totally shows he is not rebuilding a thing! It also proves your assessment of our MiL system does not jive with Sandy’s either!

Convince yourself that Sandy is rebuilding if it makes you feel better but don’t try to convince anyone he is doing something that the majority of the moves he has made says he is not doing!

And certainly not when your best OF options are 24 and 26, and the best hitter of that bunch and one of the youngers are playing out of position!

If your short on Money you don’t go giving a mediocre BP arm 6 Mil per to be your closer!
And you DO make sure to sign the 20 guys who might replace those types for league minimum!

Ya…

I think allowing Reyes to walk without compensation and insulting him out the door is a felony, definitely a felony.

I think trading Pagan for two sub-par players is an A misdemeanor due to foreseeability issues; however, when combined with allowing Reyes to walk, its upgraded to a felony because he allowed two top notch switch-hitting speeders go without adequately replacing their offensive production.

On the other hand, obtaining Zach Wheeler was a nice stroke, signing Jon Niese to a solid contract and his efforts to rebuild the bullpen are appreciated, notwithstanding the uneven results. Overall, the pitching is being shored-up under Alderson’s watch.

Let’s see how he manages during this off-season. I’d like to see one or two RH hitting OF prospects brought in, as well as some shoring-up behind the dish.

The jury is still out.

You only listed three players that I’d say are good players for them, and that’s Freese, Headly and Latos. Freese by the way, was traded for a 38 year old Jim Edmonds who hit .178 for SD. I see you failed to remember that.

You also forgot to list Matt Harvey for us who, has top of the rotation potential. The Mets have drafted more major leaguers with less picks than SD, so I don’t see how you can laud their drafts, yet bash the Mets.

And you have to remember with Omar that Montreal wasn’t a stable orginazation(obviously). He wasn’t working under normal circumstances at the time the trade was made. Oh, if we are going to go over his history, let’s remember that he had a hand in scouting or signing players like, Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, Jose Reyes, and Nelson Cruz, just to name a few.

You see that a lot from people who hate Sandy (directed at nobody in particular, especially not the poster), complaining about certain acquisitions just becuase he made them, not for any baseball reason. They hate his philosophy so much, they have blinders on to actual baseball. The same people who kill him for looking for injured players, reclaimation projects, old players, bargain basement players, etc. are the same people who wanted to sign Brad Lidge and Pudge Rodriguez before the season, just because Sandy DIDN’T make those moves. It’s hypoctisy at it’s most obvious.

I feel Sandy should accept majority of the blame…Why?

-Due to his philosophy of letting vets walk in order to acquire draft picks in return. If you were a GM you would play to what you believed to be your strengths. Sandy seems to believe acquiring numerous draft picks are his strength and are critical in team-building rather than re-signing your proven players. You can also make the case that he is only as good as the people around him, BUT at the end of the day these are the people he has hired/hand picked so the blame still lies with him.
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2. “What has Alderson done to deserve leeway? Uh….be on the job for only two seasons? I would argue that two seasons is certainly not enough to judge any GM on. But where is the line drawn?”

You might be right, maybe it isnt enough to judge overall. But it is more than enough time to see some improvement/direction both of which we have yet to see. He hasnt accomplished anything yet that he said he set out to accomplish….He said we would remain competitive on the major league level while they built the farm. We’ve been terrible both years in large part due to his inactivity and ability to improve the club. Not to mention its hard to rebuild the farm when you fail to sign half your draft class including your 2nd rd pick whom was asking for slot money I might add(nothing more, nothing less). The kid wanted to go pro so badly he came out publicly and stated he wants to sign for slot but the Mets havent contacted them since the 1st talks. And even more proof he was serious instead of going to Arkansas he went to a Junior College instead in order to be eligible for the draft next year.

Mets fans werent asking for much all we wanted to see was “IMPROVEMENT” thats it. Instead we got an inferior team put on the field, We look almost exactly like the Padres now, underwhelming offense and a hodge podge OF only difference is they have a better bullpen.

To make it worst Sandy is living off of Omars players he hasnt made any significant moves other than the Wheeler deal and he gave up an Allstar OF in Beltran coming off an injury plagued season to do it. A trade which we have yet to see if that pans out.

Examples:

Pirates picked up AJ Burnett,Wandy Rodriguez,Travis Snider,Gaby Sanchez the year before that James McDonald…..and they gave up little to nothing Yankess and Astros are paying part of AJ and Wandys deal…Im not saying these deals made them a playoff contender but it improved there team and didnt cost them much.

Orioles picked up McCloth,Chris Davis,Saunders, Hammel,Quintanilla nothing spectacular at all but the GM went out and got pieces that helped the team without giving up anything substantial from the farm or money.

I wont even bother mentioning moves Billy beane made with the A’s even the Redsox helped themselves by trading away expensive unproductive pieces to clear cap space for the future not to mention acquire numerous prospects in the process.

Sandy has done nothing! Not 1 single trade to improve the big league club. I say trade because this man doesnt care for signing free agents unless they are bench players.

“Sorry Sandy, it looks like you’re going to have to go back to the drawing board.”

Freese, Latos, Headley, Hundley, and Venable are all Alderson’s choices.

Ike, Gee, Niese, Pelfrey and Parnell are all Omars. In addition to Pelfrey and Parnell as choices that Mets fans want to run out of town, need to add in Thole, Duda, and Murphy. It seems the only ones worth a damn from the Omar regime are Niese, Ike, and perhaps Gee. Other than that, nothing more borderline players.

Also, people fail to remember that Alderson brought in maybe the best 1B in Padre history in Gonzalez along with Young in a deal for three prospects. The only reason the present GM has done anything is he was able to trade AGon for a number of prospects (including Rizzo), move Latos for 4 guys who are on the presently on the Padre roster, and had a bunch of picks that Alderson stockpiled.

So anyone who thinks that MInaya left the organization is good shape is insane. His drafts were pathetic and did not churn out much talent. There also isnt a great deal within the organization to trade since guys like Kirk, Duda, McHugh, etc… have almost no value. I will take my chances with Alderson over Minaya any day.

And remember, Omar is responsible for one of the worst trades in baseball history (think Colon) when he was with the Expos. So not only did he do nothing for one organization’s farm system, he managed to completely destroy another.

No if I was trying to show that MOST SD fans liked Alderson – I’d go find a poll where over 50% of the fans liked the job he did.

I was merely pointing out that WE cannot assume SD fans all didn’t like the job he did based on baseball reference and draft picks