Reyes and Wright: Smoke Gets In Your Eyes

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• Mitch Petanick October 25, 2012 at 9:59 am

  Smoke and diversions to distract the fan base … That graphic is hot!
• Alex68 October 25, 2012 at 10:00 am

  It’s a damn shame we have crooked owners and we’ve been subject to what’s possibly be the worst front office in NY baseball history… Losing reyes was a big blow to the fan base. I don’t know when we will have a guy like him in our system again, it took us basically 50 years to develop a talent like his at SS and it only took 1 year of sandy alderson at the helm to lose him. yet somehow people do not see this guy as a failure in NY..
  • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Will you say the same if we lose Wright?
  • Alex68 October 25, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Quite honest, wright’s a bit different.. I think that with noone left from that core group of 2005-2008 i think we might as well end parts with him as well.. His value is as high as it’d ever be again as his best years are behind him.. you and i know that this team will not be competitive this year coming up either, why waste him and maybe see his value drop then we’d be stuck with him financially. reyes was a very popular met, maybe the most charismatic met we’ve ever had and to lose him the way we did really hurt. Many mets fans can’t still grasp the notion of losing this guy, and to top it all we didn’t even get nothing in return as the pick we got for him was not even sign
    • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 10:22 am

      That wasn’t the point Alex. Some of those same things can be said about Wright yet there seems to be a group that want Wright gone just because Reyes is.

      If Wright’s contract had came up first and he was the first to go and Reyes remained in Wright’s position now, would you be saying the same thing about the front office and the Wilpons letting Wright go?
      • USMF October 25, 2012 at 10:39 am

        I just wish the FO was honest about what they were doing and got it over with from the start instead of dragging this dismantling/rebuilding out over three or four years.

        I don’t want to lose Reyes, Beltran, Wright, RAD, Ike, Murphy, Niese or Santana…and I don’t think we’ll lose all of them…but other than maybe Ike, I don’t see any of them being on the team once they make it back to the playoffs.

        Just blow it up if that’s what you’re doing…you should have blown it up three years and not dragged it out. Us Mets fans wouldn’t have been happy, but we’d get over it…If Boston can see there mess get blown up and get over it, then we can too.
        • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 10:41 am

          Since when has ANY FO ever been honest with their fans? That’s not realistic. They all have an agenda to promote.
          • USMF October 25, 2012 at 1:25 pm

            there’s a difference between coming out and telling the fans the plan and claiming that the team “isn’t going to punt” but going and doing just that.

            If the FO came out and said the major changes were needed I think the fans would understand and grudgingly accept it better compared to how the changes are being made slowly over several years and dragging it out.
    • Alex68 October 25, 2012 at 11:23 am

      If wright’s case was the same as reyes i too would’ve been upset.. For real i would’ve been.. Thing is, if i have a player to choose between the 2, i would’ve taken reyes and trade wright.. Not because i don’t liek wright, he’s a good player, but there’s just so much about reyes’ game that would’ve benefited this ballclub better.
• srt October 25, 2012 at 10:00 am

  A league source told the New York Post’s Mike Puma that it’s “conceivable” the Mets could have new deals in place with David Wright and R.A. Dickey by the time the World Series begins later this month.’

  Doesn’t sound like it was any kind of done deal by the WS. Did anyone really think that was going to happen?

  I’m curious…if the Mets had been able to re-sign Reyes last off season, would the DWright detractors be more amiable to signing Wright this off season? Or does one have nothing to do with the other?
  • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I wish it had nothing to do with each other.
• USMF October 25, 2012 at 10:23 am

  Sadly, I can see this whole “signing Wright and Dickey is a top priority” and “expecting to get them signed by the WS” is all just a PR move to distribute blame on the players and their agents when they aren’t signed and eventually leave via trade or free agency.

  would anyone be surprised if nothing is in place by the end of the month?

  would anyone be surprised if the FO says that they can’t take more time to work out a deal now because they have to turn their focus on constructing the team for 2013, but they’ll restart talks once the rest of the roster is set.

  would anyone be surprised is no deal is in place before the start of the season and both players say they won’t talk contract during the season?

  would anyone be surprised that both players end up leaving without any real effort to sign them next year or trade them at the deadline (depending on the teams record) because they “knew” that resigning them would be out of the teams price range and wouldn’t fit in the teams long term strategy.

  then, would anyone be surprised if the FO said something like “we wanted to work out a deal, but the agents couldn’t meet our schedule demands and they refused to negotiate during the season. When everything was all said and done, we tried our best but their demands were too high…we wish them the best and we’ll send them a box of chocolates.”
• TX October 25, 2012 at 10:44 am

  Of course you put that thought out to the public when season ticket sales start. Any team would be stupid not to.

  As for the negotiations, I like that I haven’t heard anything. I detest public contract negotiations. Yeah, we all want to know what the scoop is and what the parameters maybe and such, but it always turns into a He said/She said, someone’s good name get smeared and no one ends up happy. Let them work and hopefully that can work out a deal where the WS ends and then BAM, new deal, here it is.
• taskmaster4450 October 25, 2012 at 10:52 am

  FO hit a grand slam letting Reyes go. That $100M+ contract became a bad deal the moment it was signed. Jose had a career year last year and reverted back to his norm. He is a $10M-$12M per year player. A contract of $60M-$75M for him would be okay but $100M, a waste. The other side of 30 isnt kind to guys like him.

  If Wright is intent on getting $150M, then the Mets ought to trade him this off season and be done with him. That is an absolute waste for a guy who isnt even a top 5 player in the league. However, if the number is around $120M, even though a case could be made this is overpayment for his skills, it is worth it since he brings a lot more to the table.

  As for the deals getting done, I always thought it a joke that anything would be settled by the WS especially since they didnt have in depth talks during the season. Thanksgiving might be a better bet for some type of decision.
  • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 10:54 am

    I think the parameters of the deal that the Mets had were about the tops I would have went with Reyes as well. I still believe if they could have gotten him on their terms then he would still be here. Who would have ever thought the Marlins would offer a contract like that out of no where?
    • taskmaster4450 October 25, 2012 at 11:50 am

      The problem with free agents is that it only takes one insane team. The Marlins were drunk with their anticipated revenue stream from their new ballpark. LAA decided to give Pujols 10 years and part of the franchise. Washington wanted Werth so bad they dropped $120M on him. Some team is always trying to make a splash and that year’s FAs benefit.

      I dont fault the players for signing those contracts but I also dont fault teams for not offering them. And with Reyes, lest we forget, 28 other teams passed on his services also at that price.
      • srt October 25, 2012 at 11:53 am

        All good points.
      • Just_Da_Damaja October 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm

        u cant say 28 other teams passed up on him when he signed before giving the market a chance to develop.

        The Marlins were on the phone with him on 12:01 AM the minute after they were legally able to

        Unlike CC Sabathia who tried desperately to pull in Anaheim and LA…was unable to…and the yanks still paid him 60 mil more than the next competitor …and he STILL forced them to put in an opt-out after 3 years
  • hotstreak October 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Taskmaster: Simple put DW maket value is at least 5 years 100 M. Lets suppose that is the deal. IMO that is too much as his skills are declining except his gold glove. 2013 -2018 option 2013 plus 5 more years) or commiment for 6 years. We are not even contending 2013 or 2014 without three outfielders and a catcher. SA must get them some way and not by trading Ike or Niese. You do not rebuild by trading the youth core or farm prospects a.ka. Familla, Mejjia, Nimmo etc. Where does SA get the missing links. Not FA. W/O them we are not winning until Harvey and Wheeler develop after two year growing pains. So DW’s window with Mets is 2015-2018 to help the Mets compete. The choice is 4 years or 10 or more years with the prospects we get from trading DW and Dickey. We have the tough Nats and Braves in our divison who have windows to compete of about 8 or 9 years right now. The reason for the Braves having a window that long is their good farm system.
    • taskmaster4450 October 25, 2012 at 9:40 pm

      I cant argue the case against trading Wright since it could be a terrific solution. Of course, it is contingent upon what is coming back. However, David Wright means more to the Mets and their fans than the average star player. The fact that Jeff Wilpon used the term Ambassador when referring to Wrights potential place as Seaver’s replacement speaks volumes.

      At this point, I am hoping that the days of making non baseball decisions are over. Alderson needs to make the moves that have the most baseball sense and leave the opinion of the fanbase aside. For too many years money was thrown around trying to appease the fans with the win now mentality. And there is nothing to show for it.

      That being said, Wright is the one situation where I can easily be convinced that making a non baseball move is sensible. Being the face of a franchise for a generation means a lot. The guys who come to mind: Jeter/Yankees; Gwynn/SD; Chipper/Atl; Ripkin/Balt; Kirby/Minn. This is an idea that I could be sold on.
• Donal October 25, 2012 at 10:58 am

  Was that a deliberate reference to Mad Men?

  Because if so, it puts a very different light on this post.
• Mr North Jersey October 25, 2012 at 12:57 pm

  I don’t know about smoke but if there is it’s about as much as you see from the end of a cigarette. I find some of the reports so far based on unnamed sources rather amusing. They’ve been similar to saying something like according to people familiar with Pagan’s agent Pagan plans to seek a multi year deal. Like really?

  You had Puma who said it’s conceivable Wright and Dickey will have new deals in place, at least in principle, by the time the World Series begins. Conceivable? Way to go out on a limb there. Might as well have thrown in the “anything is possible” line while he was at it.

  Then you had Heyman who said according to people familiar with the team’s thinking “The Mets are expected to open negotiations with an offer for somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million for star third baseman David Wright“. This at least had more teeth but again was it really a revelation to say attempts at a deal would probably require $100M as a possible starting point?

  Then what has to be my favorite so far you have Matt Cerrone say that he was told David Wright’s camp intends to “milk talks and draw things out until at least after the World Series, in hopes of reaching a better compromise at the last minute.” Yes because history suggest most $100M type contract extensions occur before the W.S. normally. I mean come on.

  Then you have Martino who said “people involved in the process” told him that the Mets could schedule a meeting and begin formal contract negotiations next week. and that a Mets source told him that it’s “Too early to tell,” if it’s still possible for either player to be signed this month. Could schedule? Sure that falls in line with the “anything is possible” line again. And it’s too early to tell if it’s still possible? Yeah because everyone was running away with Puma’s earlier source that said it was “conceivable” so of course the rival paper had to have a source to blow that source out.

  Outside of the entertainment factor there hasn’t been anything of real significance said so far regarding the negotiations and that in itself may be the biggest news. The World Series will soon be over and free agency will soon begin maybe then we will better know how things are really going.
  • TRS86 October 25, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    So in other words, no offense to Prismo’s profession, they are all just really bad weathermen, palm readers or oracles?
  • srt October 25, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    What you said.

    And the problem is once a beat writer puts something like this out there, some Met fans gloss right over ‘conceivable’, or ‘could’ and just lock onto the rumor itself. Hence: ‘Days after that another another leak came out that a deal would get done by the World Series’.

    I don’t think I read once source that stated that anything would be done by the WS.

    I just hope whatever happens – contract extension or trade – it’s done sooner rather than later.
• Metfan Lou October 25, 2012 at 1:27 pm

  So now Jose Reyes is an agent during the off season. Who knew?
• Metsie October 25, 2012 at 2:04 pm

  “There hasn’t been a whisper about any negotiation going on by either side in two weeks now. How is that even possible in this day and age?”

  It’s possible if they are actually negotiating and not that far apart!

  Leaks are most usually the product of trying to get public sentiment on your side.
  Hence the leaks of the offer and rumor of making a deal by the time the WS starts.
  Thats to get the idea accross that they are actually making an offer this time and it’s a priority.

  All in an attempt to please the fanbase and get some to re-up thier season ticket plans or at least consider doing so.

  Those leaks almost ALWAYS come from the team and it isn’t until negotiations “Break Down” that the agent for the player starts to leak details hoping to show how insulting the team offer is.

  So My guess is the 100M offer is close enough to not be insulting and they may (or may not) be negotiating now and there is no reason for either side to leak anything at this time.

  After the WS when the Media is done with the WS and desperate for baseball news thats when more stories and more rumors over what is going on with the Wright negotiations will be seen.
• Hodges14 October 25, 2012 at 2:15 pm

  No offense, and I love this site, but I am so sick of hearing about Jose Reyes on this site. It’s not as bad as Metsblog’s fixation on anything 1986 related, but it’s a close second.
  • Metsie October 25, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    From BOTH sides of the coin there Hodges….

    It’s done the only relevance to Reyes at this point is the hope that they learned thier lesson in regards to approaching your own FAs and how it will affect Fan sentiment and attendance.

    I’m also tired of hearing how Reyes had a bad year that made his entire contract a waste and bad deal when in the next few years he could be an ALL Star and Batting champ and make that deal seem like a steal….

    One year’s performance does not a bad deal make especially in the first year of the deal where others did far more to make that season a bad one than anything Reyes did.

    Baltran had a pretty bad year when he first got here too and no one would claim his signing was a bad deal we should never have made now would they?

    The deal is the deal for the length of the contract and one bad year does not mean the rest of the deal won’t be worth every penny spent or more!