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		<title>By: this is stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>this is stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hes 26.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hes 26.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 15:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well TRS say what you will but he&#039;s better at it that you are who never proposes a thing and simply questions deals others came out with....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well TRS say what you will but he&#8217;s better at it that you are who never proposes a thing and simply questions deals others came out with&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dickey for the Jc guy sounds fair, after talking to that Jays fan it appears the Jays are really torn which catcher to keep.  The think the kid in the minors is special but love the other guys clubhouse leadership and game calling.  If nothing else though can they get some catchers that we can spell?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dickey for the Jc guy sounds fair, after talking to that Jays fan it appears the Jays are really torn which catcher to keep.  The think the kid in the minors is special but love the other guys clubhouse leadership and game calling.  If nothing else though can they get some catchers that we can spell?</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Superhero:  I owe you an apology with my &quot;Give me a break remark.  I see you were right. Thanks for your input.  Why were you right.

What I was asking was comparable to a team asking for Harvey and Wheeler and NImmo for two 1.5 players on a scale of 1 lowest to 5 highest. It is a case where prospects are worth more than jouneymen players who happen to be relatively young or in prime.  Thankyou.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superhero:  I owe you an apology with my &#8220;Give me a break remark.  I see you were right. Thanks for your input.  Why were you right.</p>
<p>What I was asking was comparable to a team asking for Harvey and Wheeler and NImmo for two 1.5 players on a scale of 1 lowest to 5 highest. It is a case where prospects are worth more than jouneymen players who happen to be relatively young or in prime.  Thankyou.</p>
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		<title>By: Markcomic1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markcomic1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Torres Should never be allowed to put on  Mets Uniform again. Unless he is being paid bare minimum and is a bench player. Duda, oh Duda, What are you? YOU&#039;re not an outfielder, I would never trade Ike Davis to give you first base that would be the biggest error since a certain trade of Nolan Ryan. 

Duda is a DH, he is a lumbering, moody bat off the bench with occasional power. Yes he is a a huge dude, this Duda but, he doesn&#039;t square up on balls with enough regularity to be considered a true slugger. Go ahead Sandy trade Ike, for the easily mentally manipulated Duda and this is what you will get. 160 strike outs 15 to 20 HR&#039;s and a 235 batting average. Ike now fully recovered and finally having a full recover season under his belt goes elsewhere and hits 280 with 35 hr&#039;s and 110 rbi&#039;s with 120 strike outs. &amp; 100 walks. If he is surrounded by any other potent bats, lookout Ike hits 40 hr&#039;s with an even better average and more rbi&#039;s...

Duda, his the Mike Pelfrey of hitters. The potential is there but he is a head ase that needs constant monitoring. Yeah Ike&#039;s got some fire to him..boo hoo. Sandy, what Marine did you ever know that didn&#039;t have some fire to him? 

I like Kirk, h has a history of catching up to the competition he faces at every level. Kirk ends up with 120k a 260 to 285 batting avergae 20 to 25 hr&#039;s 15sb, 70rbi&#039;s or more.. not bad for a CF. 

Jayson Bay, sigh if this man had any kindness in his heart he would retire and do the franchise and fans a favor.. He has made enough money and should just go Big Foot hunting back home in the pacific northwest woods. He simply cannot not turn on the fastball anymore. This is a guy who was known as a high fastball hitter and a fastball hitter in general. His bat is slower than a Chris Young fastball in the 9th inning. 

This thought just occurred to me. What Met will have a huge break out season next year? 
DANIEL MURPHY! I am not a huge fan of Murph&#039;s but, he is now acclimated to 2b and not too shabby. He is comfortable enough there that I have a feeling we will see 15 to 20 hrs and 65 to 70rbi from with a 305 avg. 

You know who would be a great lead off man for the Mets Brett Gardner who may actually be available from the yankees. Time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torres Should never be allowed to put on  Mets Uniform again. Unless he is being paid bare minimum and is a bench player. Duda, oh Duda, What are you? YOU&#8217;re not an outfielder, I would never trade Ike Davis to give you first base that would be the biggest error since a certain trade of Nolan Ryan. </p>
<p>Duda is a DH, he is a lumbering, moody bat off the bench with occasional power. Yes he is a a huge dude, this Duda but, he doesn&#8217;t square up on balls with enough regularity to be considered a true slugger. Go ahead Sandy trade Ike, for the easily mentally manipulated Duda and this is what you will get. 160 strike outs 15 to 20 HR&#8217;s and a 235 batting average. Ike now fully recovered and finally having a full recover season under his belt goes elsewhere and hits 280 with 35 hr&#8217;s and 110 rbi&#8217;s with 120 strike outs. &amp; 100 walks. If he is surrounded by any other potent bats, lookout Ike hits 40 hr&#8217;s with an even better average and more rbi&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>Duda, his the Mike Pelfrey of hitters. The potential is there but he is a head ase that needs constant monitoring. Yeah Ike&#8217;s got some fire to him..boo hoo. Sandy, what Marine did you ever know that didn&#8217;t have some fire to him? </p>
<p>I like Kirk, h has a history of catching up to the competition he faces at every level. Kirk ends up with 120k a 260 to 285 batting avergae 20 to 25 hr&#8217;s 15sb, 70rbi&#8217;s or more.. not bad for a CF. </p>
<p>Jayson Bay, sigh if this man had any kindness in his heart he would retire and do the franchise and fans a favor.. He has made enough money and should just go Big Foot hunting back home in the pacific northwest woods. He simply cannot not turn on the fastball anymore. This is a guy who was known as a high fastball hitter and a fastball hitter in general. His bat is slower than a Chris Young fastball in the 9th inning. </p>
<p>This thought just occurred to me. What Met will have a huge break out season next year?<br />
DANIEL MURPHY! I am not a huge fan of Murph&#8217;s but, he is now acclimated to 2b and not too shabby. He is comfortable enough there that I have a feeling we will see 15 to 20 hrs and 65 to 70rbi from with a 305 avg. </p>
<p>You know who would be a great lead off man for the Mets Brett Gardner who may actually be available from the yankees. Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dickey just for Marisnick and JP Arencibk is that oable TRS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dickey just for Marisnick and JP Arencibk is that oable TRS.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even that is way too light.  They don&#039;t need Wright and it is pointless to trade a young Lawrie for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even that is way too light.  They don&#8217;t need Wright and it is pointless to trade a young Lawrie for him.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hot where do I begin? 
You are asking them to trade three under control guys, two of which are considered to young players for a rental switching leagues.  Why on Earth would they do that?  They would not trade Lawrie by himself for Wright.  It Just isn&#039;t a fit.  A blue Jay&#039;s guy came on the other day and seconded What most of us said, think arm and a leg for their stud catcher.  Multiple to pitching prospects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot where do I begin?<br />
You are asking them to trade three under control guys, two of which are considered to young players for a rental switching leagues.  Why on Earth would they do that?  They would not trade Lawrie by himself for Wright.  It Just isn&#8217;t a fit.  A blue Jay&#8217;s guy came on the other day and seconded What most of us said, think arm and a leg for their stud catcher.  Multiple to pitching prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: TX</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 01:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Toronto would be a match for Dickey.  They need front line type starters.  They aren&#039;t trading for Wright.  They have Lawrie.  And Bautista, in a pinch!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toronto would be a match for Dickey.  They need front line type starters.  They aren&#8217;t trading for Wright.  They have Lawrie.  And Bautista, in a pinch!</p>
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		<title>By: This is stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>This is stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 01:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way short... It would take wright plus tejada plus fulmer to get all that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way short&#8230; It would take wright plus tejada plus fulmer to get all that</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 01:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tommy2Cat and TRS:

Tommy2Cat my reply button to TRS is not working:

This is meant for both of you.

Tommy2Cat: Is m proposal fair  or not enough. On metrsblog someone said the Jays would do the deal it for Wright but not include Brett Lawrie. Another blogger  had in mind d&quot;  Armud and Jeff Marisnick for Dickey.  Which if any of those deals would you do or eitherone.


TRS: I like to have dialogue.  Why is my deal so out of line in your opinion, please explain in more detail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy2Cat and TRS:</p>
<p>Tommy2Cat my reply button to TRS is not working:</p>
<p>This is meant for both of you.</p>
<p>Tommy2Cat: Is m proposal fair  or not enough. On metrsblog someone said the Jays would do the deal it for Wright but not include Brett Lawrie. Another blogger  had in mind d&#8221;  Armud and Jeff Marisnick for Dickey.  Which if any of those deals would you do or eitherone.</p>
<p>TRS: I like to have dialogue.  Why is my deal so out of line in your opinion, please explain in more detail.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 01:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey we all Have strengths and weaknesses, unfortunately trade proposals are you weakness :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey we all Have strengths and weaknesses, unfortunately trade proposals are you weakness <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/10/morning-grind-unsure-about-andres-torres-really.html#comment-296346</link>
		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You got some explaining to do, sir. Lets step outside and settle this :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got some explaining to do, sir. Lets step outside and settle this <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Original Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was kind of wondering why Torres wasn&#039;t cut last week when they dispensed with those other players they cut from the 40.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kind of wondering why Torres wasn&#8217;t cut last week when they dispensed with those other players they cut from the 40.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy2cat</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/10/morning-grind-unsure-about-andres-torres-really.html#comment-296340</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy2cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree 100%, although obtaining d&#039;Arnaud would exact a very heavy price. Toronto is a prime trading partner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100%, although obtaining d&#8217;Arnaud would exact a very heavy price. Toronto is a prime trading partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Yankees didn&#039;t pay the full boat on Burnett....

And they held out on getting more prospects if Pit wanted them to pay it all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankees didn&#8217;t pay the full boat on Burnett&#8230;.</p>
<p>And they held out on getting more prospects if Pit wanted them to pay it all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol, you aren&#039;t very good at these are you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, you aren&#8217;t very good at these are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy2cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy2cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too early to freak out, although I&#039;m getting quite pensive about how the SA is going to handle this off-season. I was privately hoping that the Mets were waiting until the conclusion of the NLCS to announce new contracts for DW &amp; RA.... No Dice!

The only scenario where Torres would make sense is if SA traded, say, Murphy for Toronto&#039;s OF prospect Jake Marisnick, and/or Valdespin &amp; Mejia for San Fran&#039;s OF prospect Gary Brown.  Under that scenario, you might want to keep Torres as a 5th outfielder because of his experience, in the absence of a better option.

Think we need to be a little patient, although Joe D&#039;s arguments are right on point. I agree that there&#039;s a legitimate basis for concern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too early to freak out, although I&#8217;m getting quite pensive about how the SA is going to handle this off-season. I was privately hoping that the Mets were waiting until the conclusion of the NLCS to announce new contracts for DW &amp; RA&#8230;. No Dice!</p>
<p>The only scenario where Torres would make sense is if SA traded, say, Murphy for Toronto&#8217;s OF prospect Jake Marisnick, and/or Valdespin &amp; Mejia for San Fran&#8217;s OF prospect Gary Brown.  Under that scenario, you might want to keep Torres as a 5th outfielder because of his experience, in the absence of a better option.</p>
<p>Think we need to be a little patient, although Joe D&#8217;s arguments are right on point. I agree that there&#8217;s a legitimate basis for concern.</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said Toronto has depth in catching and Ofer&#039;s.

See acquisition of Bobby Wilson from  wavier by Angelsto asdd to their depth of cathchers for a possible trade.

I concede Travis D&#039; Arnold is a top catching prospect but as I said the Jays proved they can compete in tough AL East.  If it will take more than Murphy and Gee then as a last resort I would consider trading Wright to them. But then I would want them to inculde their young 3B Bret Lawrie. Again DW for D&#039;Arnold, Marisnick and Lawrie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said Toronto has depth in catching and Ofer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>See acquisition of Bobby Wilson from  wavier by Angelsto asdd to their depth of cathchers for a possible trade.</p>
<p>I concede Travis D&#8217; Arnold is a top catching prospect but as I said the Jays proved they can compete in tough AL East.  If it will take more than Murphy and Gee then as a last resort I would consider trading Wright to them. But then I would want them to inculde their young 3B Bret Lawrie. Again DW for D&#8217;Arnold, Marisnick and Lawrie.</p>
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		<title>By: hotstreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>hotstreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two established competive ML young players for two prospects.  Give me a break.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two established competive ML young players for two prospects.  Give me a break.</p>
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