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2012
Mets To Offer Wright $100 Million Deal
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According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Mets plan to kick off negotiations with their franchise slugger David Wright with about $100 million opening bid in an effort to make him a Met “for life”.
Heyman goes onto say that the Amazin’s will be flexible in their negotiations as they will negotiate through October before they even consider dealing their third baseman.
The Mets are also pursuing a an extension with their ace R.A. Dickey. It was reported last week that Dickey could get Oliver Perez money (3-years, $36 million), however Heyman tells us the Mets would prefer not to go more than two years since his unusally high velocity knuckleball could harm his longevity.
The Mets may give talks about a month, until the point where they will pick up the two players’ options in early November. If there are no new deals done by the time the team picks up the options (Wright’s is for $16 million, Dickey’s is for $5 million) the Mets may consider trades for both players. But particularly in Wright’s case, the Mets might have to be overwhelmed to pull the trigger on a trade.
Last week on WFAN, Sandy Alderson spoke with Mike Francesa and said he has talked with Wright and his agents since the conclusion of the season and, while there are no guarantees of a resolution to a contract extension, “we’re going to move on this very quickly.”
Wright recently told Adam Rubin of ESPN New York he is hopeful he will remain with the Mets through the end of his career, although he intends on testing free agency after the 2013 should the two sides not come to terms on an extension this winter.
Personally, it’s nice to see the Mets seemingly making an effort to sign a player rather than letting him walk with next to no compensation for it. Certainly beats a box of chocolates.
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I’m shocked! Hope this doesn’t blow up in our faces.
For year 2013, Wright is due 16m on a team option, which the Mets will exercise and which SA stated will not be part of a contractual extension. So, the term of the contract accrues from 2014 forward.
The question is not just how much, but for how long? 100m over 5 years? Six years? Whatever the term is, just add 16m and 1 year to get a sense of the contract’s actual value.
In addition, don’t forget that the Mets gave Wright a contract well before he became eligible for free agency – what was it – 55m for 6 years? Wright has had a head-start on many of his contemporaries in terms of long-term deals. So, we really can’t compare his current deal to, say, someone like Zimmerman. Wright’s already received a lot of money from a previous contract.
The contract will likely wind up being something like 5 years for 100m (really, 6 years at 116m), with a team option for a 6th year (or, 7 years at 136m).
All in all, Wright will received a very fair deal with a mild hometown discount in which, really, everyone wins.
Wow
I also read this from Rubin http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/58473/how-much-will-wrights-next-contract-cost?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Look, I know there will be detractors who just want Wright gone – but this is good to see. Why? Because it’s good to see the team can actually AFFORD contracts and to keep their players now.
there was never a question that they would be able to keep Wright around in 2014, with all the money coming off the books.
the question is will they also be able to afford enough expensive talent (while also somewhere finding young affordable talent) to add to him to have it make a difference.
If that’s the starting offer how far are they willing to go? Also will Dickey accept a 2 tear deal? I’m thinking no. Wow, this is kind of exciting though and very unexpected.
One more thing, actually two. Joe D you were right that the Wright would get a longterm deal from Mets, and that Wilpons are on road to recovery. Assuming this is true. Nice job.
2 years makes sense for dickey. He is not a spring chicken, and has been hurt (though pitched through it) the last 2 years. It is really 3 years, including the option, and if he wants more, it will probably have to be in the form of an option (maybe vesting)
Hey Stick, understood, but wouldn’t he be better off playing out 2013 and hitting free agency? It’s most likely the last contract he will sign.
well, he is getting a lot of money regardless.
and people tend to say he should just wait, but that puts all the risk on him. Otherwise why would any player sign a multi-year deal?
Plus, playing out his contract would put him to almost 40. Would be one more negative in the negotiating process.
Negotiating through October is serious business. Unlike the way Reyes was handled this is being treated like a top priority. I’m happy!
Sorry, but I call bullshit on this. Rubin and Heyman are behind this? We’ve seen this hit mongering before. Ir’s a slow news day.
Wright said he wants to know the plan for putingt a winning team in place. Has that happened? Are the Wilpons going to spend or will Sandy just be hamstrung by this deal? A $100 million payroll is what we were told, do where is this coming from? Wright was just blowing smoke up our butts about winning if he just takes the cash.
I agree, no one is talking about that part of it, neither of these guys wants to be here if the team they are on is what it is now. Is this window dressing, or had Alderson shown them something none of us has seen, something no one seems to think possible with that 100,million dollar payroll, surrounding them with winning players.
I want to be convinced, but I have my doubts
I’m skeptical as well for if Sandy was serious about the payroll limitation he said would also include 2014 it will mean offering David and R.A. those type contracts, with raises in arbitration to Davis (let’s assume he stays a Met), Gee Murphy, Parnell and the kick in for Niese would leave only so much for the other 18 players.
That in itself means little to spend on well established stars (not superstar but those of known quality) and if David and R.A. were serious about playing for a competitor, the more money they get the less chance of that happening.
This is just a hypothesis of my part but it could be a win-win situation for Sandy either way. He can put good offers on the table but with the notion that both might very well refuse it knowing it rules out the chance to spend more to become competitive once more. This way, he can say the Mets tried to re-sign the players but they walked away. Or, if they do both re-sign, he is under no obligation to spend more and thus the continuation of those “inexpensive” supporting players.
Like I told Jessep and others, Wright’s no different than Reyes, it’s all about the money. Wright’s the last guy who would be concerned about winning. If he were that concerned he’d take a team friendly deal and tell Sandy to go sign a real centerfielder. We’ve seen that before from MLB players who actually do care about winning. If Wright wants to impress me, let me see him make a gesture like that! he won’t, because he’s no different than Reyes and most players.
Actually Jose Reyes negotiated his contract so that the Marlins could try to go after Albert Pujols…
he took a 5 million PAYCUT in years 1-2 of his contract…is making the same thing in year 3 that he did in 2011…then in 2015, the salary escalates up 6 mil more…but by then, he’ll be a Yankee and I’m sure NY will eat up that 6 mil in taxes…
Anyone who says Reyes was greedy is insane..
‘then in 2015, the salary escalates up 6 mil more…but by then, he’ll be a Yankee and I’m sure NY will eat up that 6 mil in taxes…’
I’ll take that bet too. No way Loria pays Reyes on the final years of that heavily back loaded contract.
Reyes was greedy and impatient. He’s an amateur at negotiating.
well, it was his agent that did all of that. He just told him he wanted to see a number (ignoring the whole present value of money concept), and that he wanted to go play in Miami with his good buddy Hanley.
LOL, his good buddy Hanley who’s playing across the country in LA now.
Noting is forever, unless the Mets do indeed make Wright a Met for life.
The approximate 100 MIL payroll for 2013 already includes Wright’s 16 MIL option.
This next contract would kick in, in 2014. So really has nothing to do with next year’s money.
Not unless the plan all along is to trade Wright for prospects and free up 16 MIL for ’13.
I don’t understand the celebration.
1. This is their starting offer, we don’t know how far they’ll go or even how many years?
2. We don’t even know if Wright would accept this?
3. Why are we celebrating locking up Wright. I celebrate that he’s a good player. I don’t celebrate that this means we can keep our stars. All this shows is that we’re committed to being a mid-market payroll team which is where $95-100MM lands us. Please do remember when this contract kicks in, $50MM will be off the books.
4. If we’re going to be a mid-market payroll team, doe sit make sense to invest this much money in David Wright and even R.A. Dickey? Some say yes. I say no. Trade them, get the prospects, reinvest the savings in what you don’t net in those trades.
5. If they lock up Wright, I have to believer Wilmer Flores is gone.
I actually agree about trading them both if the offers are big enough. Quickest way to retool, fill some holes, and have a shot at a solid foundation for 2014+ to have a run of sustained success.
Flores? hard to say, but you are right, that unless they move Ike he is not going to have a spot (2B is the dream of course, but not sure he can pull that off!)
$100 million would be my max. If he wants a penny more they have to trade him and not in the middle of 2013, NOW.
If they want to lock up Wright, they BETTER bring in a much better supporting cast around him. No more games. See how Miggy’s game elevated when Prince came to Detroit? He needs that type of guy with him in the lineup, along with Davis.
VIP treatment for the Golden Boy, no surprise here! Could they be anymore transparent?
So why the reference to the Golden One? Hmm. Envious?
Because Reyes gets treated like a day laborer and Wright gets treated like a politician’s son.
Not Wright’s fault…and i dont blame him…Im sure he would like the love to be spread around so the pressure isnt on him all the time
HA, the Golden Boy…. Yes sir, bring back memories . THe CORE in full effect mode agaisnt this um… DW lovers..
Also: “Im sure he would like the love to be spread around so the pressure isnt on him all the time”
THIS^^^^^^
If this transpires, give it 2 years. Practically every article on here will ask, and everyone will whine, piss and moan about why we resigned Wright to a $100+ million deal. All for the purpose for being a face?
You must think you’re at Metsblog. This is the site where we whine about Wright even getting that kind of money now! Go back to Metsblog where you will be happy, where 82% of their readers think Wrights is worth $125 million or more. You are in CORE Territory!
Obviously, I am in “core territory”, because you weren’t bright enough to catch the fact that I’m against this, unlike the majority of people on Metsblog. Shame.
Well my advice to you is you’re not very good at sarcasm and need more practice. This site is the antithesis to Metsblog.
And my advice to you is….don’t give advice.
Only players who can carry a team should get that kind of money, Wright is not that kind of a player, never was and never will be. He is no Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Troy Tulo or heck even Carlos Beltran!
Wow, is this for real? Good news if true and I hope it is. We may finally get a lifelong Met we can be proud of. Step aside Kranepool!
oh yeah WOW! To hell with the playoffs and winning let’s just sign the next Eddie Kranepool
What the heck is your problem? Are you ashamed that our all time hits leader was Kranepool with only 1,400 for the last 4 decades? It will be refreshing to have someone with 2,500 hits finally.
yes and if the mets resigned reyes, he would’ve broke that record in June of this year…to go along with the record for stolen bases, triples, runs, etc
Umm okay, but I’m pretty sure he is a Marlin now. So why bring him up at all?
Because David Wright broke a team record that is attainable if you are a starting position player for over 7 years on this team…
the reason the list of position players who set records here is so small…is because they usually leave either via trade or free-agency.
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
Jose is gone.
The usual Bayonne nonsense — pure envy.
I don’t have a good feeling about this…
Let’s check back the end of Oct – see where it all ends.
Getting bent out of shape or spun up at the starting line with these negotiations and rumors is pointless, no matter what side you’re on in the ‘should we sign him, should we trade him’ debate.
srt, hopefully at the end of October we’ll have a treat rather than a trick where this is concerned.
The Wilpons are broke! The Wilpons have no money! :-/
Yes, I saw you guys playing in the Sandbox.
You certainly have that game of baiting you all complain about down pat.
Come on, no harm done here and you had to know you had this coming? You should be honored actually.
LOL, glad to see someone here with a sense of humor.
well, based on the rule book of the site (see the leader of the core, he can send you a copy) you have been baited, so you now have the right to curse out your baiter (please use stars instead of vowels).
hahahaha
Someone needs to send me that rule book.
BTW…stupid Reds. I was looking forward to them sweeping the Giants.
This year, I don’t care. Since the phils did not make the playoffs, I have no root against interest. though I would prefer to see the Cards get eliminated, since I am tired of them.
This.
If it’s the Reds vs. Cards in the NLCS, I’m rooting for the Reds.
And didn’t I tell you the Phills were going nowhere?
Agreed, SRT. You and me both. Amaro was handed a championship team an it took him all of three years to completely dismantle it. And raise payroll while he was at it. What a joke of a GM and a franchise.
They fell into the Omar win now, win at all cost, completely max out your revenue and trade everything you have, forget development. That is certainly understandable but it’s a HUGE risk if you don’t win doing it because then your revenue is bound to tank and you are still stuck with large Howard like contracts for under-performing players. Sounds familiar.
Not sure if thats an “omar” thing…
the red-sox + yankees both do the same thing…
one can say its called becoming a slave to ur own success…
notice the teams with low payrolls and long term success are not in major media markets
the twins…won for years with conservative payrolls, consistent philosophy
the rays…winning for years with conservative payrolls, consistent philosophy
the braves…winning for years with conservative payrolls, consistent philosophy
the cards….winning for years with conservative payrolls, consistent philosophy
the red sox strayed away and it resulted in declining performance for the past 3 seasons…
the dodgers strayed away and it resulted in declining performance…
it can lead to a fascinating discussion on how baseball teams are run as entertainment magnets vs competitive teams…
If you’re going to quote me, you might want to get it right. It’s ‘Blame The Wilpons’. LOL
Shoot I knew that’s what it was, Bayonne threw me off. lol
I dont want to rain on everyone’s parade, but while I dont want to see Wright go, whatever we do with him must make sense for the team and not put us in a stranglehold in the latter years of the deal. We have already gone down this road and I’d hate to see us go down it again. Anything over 5 years guaranteed will be a big mistake considering it will preclude 2013 and not start until 2014 essentially making it a 6 year deal. We cant go back to the old ways of conducting business, we simply cannot. Lets hope we get Wright signed, but we have to draw the line somewhere.
I’m not new here…I’ll believe it when I see it. As shocking as this offer would be, I’d be just as shocked if Wright actually accepts it considering he’s stated that winning is a priority to him.
100 MIl? Met for Life?
See ya around David….
He’s gone!
Just listen and it’s clear…
He’s 29
They want to make Wright a Met for Life and are ready to offer 100 Mil.
He will retire as a Met at that rate ONLY if he retires at age 35!
Or is willing to take a pay cut (12.5 Mil compared to 16 Mil) from what he is getting this year.
Kiss his A$$ goodbye folks that offer is almost an insult!
Regarding RA Dickey….for those of you that didn’t read his book, his prologue three sentences in:
‘I will never be a Hall of Famer and will never lead the league in strikeouts, and am in no imminent danger of joining the 300 Victory Club.’
One down for RA. He was just a tad bit off on that strikeout prediction.
Good for him. I have to make some time to read it. It’s been sitting in my bookcase for a good 3-4 months.
I really enjoyed it. Read it when it first came out.
You couldn’t have two finer people on your team than R.A. and David. This is good news and I’m glad to see that we will make a good and honest attempt to try and keep both of them. Lets go Mets!
Mets to make a $100M offer? I’m gonna need some time for my brain to compute this!
one of the questions that keeps coming up is have the Mets managed to convince him that they will be making the big moves to make the team a winner after he re-ups.
well, if he is still worried about it, just do a deal with an “out” clause after 2 years. It has been done before (the Yankees of all teams for whatever reason I know did some).
that way, they can do a reasonable deal for both sides, and if after 2014/15 or so, if the team is going nowhere, he can walk away and find himself another gig.
honestly, he is going to have to take the teams word on it anyway. Because until he signs or gets traded, they really can’t do anything else significant. And odds are, he has to either sign soon or get traded this off season, since it really is not prudent (ASG be damned) to let this go to the end.
and interesting to see the Rangers, in the same situation (player wise) as the mets last year doing the same thing with a guy that is on record as absolutely testing FA. And most likely, the Rangers have already determined what they are willing to go on Hamilton, and most likely know it is not enough to get him to forego FA, and probably less than he will get elsewhere.
Hi Stick,
I like the idea of an out clause myself, however, could that not backfire on the Mets themselves with David looking to re-negotiate his contract so not to use it?
My very same thought about the Rangers when they told Josh Hamilton to shop around and then come back to them. I’m just wondering how much their concern about Josh being unable to continue handling his addiction problems plays a part in this. He did have a set back last winter brought on in part to that tragedy when throwing a ball into the stands.
of course he could use the out. I assume they could be creative with it to give the team some options. But yeah, he could put up MVP caliber years from 2013-2015, and exercise the clause (or rework his deal under the threat). But, is that really a bad thing for the Mets? Get the prime years of the deal, and lose him at 33/34?
the real reason for it though is, if they want him but he is still on the fence, it could be the carrot that gets him to sign.
Hamilton? I think you have it right. They milked the cow, and are afraid of committing to it LT for huge $, so they are hoping that someone comes along and takes him off their hands (without the messy divorce proceedings). They can take the money and invest in another player or 2 to replace him. And really, hard to blame them.
Hamilton is without a doubt the biggest gamble to give a long term contract…if I’m Texas, I never sign him for more then 4 yrs w/ a 5th option just due to his injury problems. THEN there’s his addiction issues. Anyone else think his mysterious 5 game absence late in the season seemed pretty odd? A vision/eye problem caused by too much caffeine? Okay…that’s right up there with Sammy Sosa missing all those games cause a violent sneeze screwed up his back.
On Wright and Dickey: trade them to the highest bidder. Do we want to win sometime this decade or not? What the mets have now in their minors, plus Harvey, Niese, and wheeler would combine perfectly with the packages recieced in trading those two players. The mets would be the news Rays. Young cheap and great.
even better…sign Dickey to a very good contract….w/o a no-trade clause…
immediately execute DW’s option, trade him for a SS…or a package that can be flipped for a top SS….
move Tejada to 2B….
move Murph to 3B….
u have now improved ur up-the-middle-defense…
assuming Thole does NOT improve…if Johan proves he is healthy…u can package Johan with another starter ( Duda or Murphy) …and a prospect…for a TOP catcher prospect…
( Flores can slide over to 3B )
the idea is to have a young nucleus in the infield ..that will gel together…
the OF is another matter….I think Cory Vaughn is a sleeper pick there
What’s with the love affair for Ruben Tefada? He’s not even in the top half of MLB shortstops. His Fld% and Range are average at best. He’s a contact hitter with no power. Other than what I mentioned he’s the next Tulo or Beltran. If we had a team of Ruben’s, we’d be fighting for fourth place each year.
ehhhh….not so sure about that…
what Ruben lacks in range, he makes up for in preparation…in 2010, Castillo ( aka the guy who supposed to be a “bad teammate” ) taught him how to position himself in advance according to batter, pitcher, pitch type..Cal Ripken used to do the same thing in Baltimore and was actually the person calling a game many times, that stopped in 1996 when Davey Johnson came to town.
Now if u move Tejada over to 2B, trade David for a SS who has range and can also hit ( we had one but let him go )…Ruben’s range allows Ike to play closer to the line…the new SS who has more range than Ruben allows the 3B ( murphy/flores/etc ) to play closer to the line….
this will have a trickle down effect on the pitcher…
now again…the OF is a bit trickier…
if Lucas Duda were to go undergo some serious training this winter…increasing his speed and endurance, it would go a long ways towards helping the Mets in LF for 2013-beyond….lets just assume he will be the starting LF…
now u have CF and RF…..
and u have the following candidates for 2013…
Kirk
Valdespin
Bay ( if he stays on the club, he might slide over to RF )
Future OF candidates I want to see in Spring Training
Den Dekker
Vaughn
Puello
Lagares
Ceciliani
Nimmo
Out of 8 prospects, I am hoping at least 2 can hold down a spot in CF and RF. LF is a little easier position to fill
Lmao, damaja, who is Ceciliani?? We have a backu IF we picked up in the first round last year, his name is cecchini… Lol. is that who you meant??
LOL na
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=cecili001dar
No there is an oft injured outfielder that when healthy looks pretty good. I have seen him play some in the Gnats games.
My only problem with bringing in a SS for the trade of Wright and moving Murphy there is that Murphy is still gonna stink defensively and not provide anywhere near the offense that Wright provides and most likely that SS isn’t going to either.
Wouldn’t you be better off trying to trade Dickey in a package to get Andrus?
no…i think Dickey is a more tradable asset…there is a MUCH wider market for him…if u sign him to a 4 year deal he is still very tradeable…every team can use a good starter….not every team has a spot for DW…
I dont think now is the right time to trade Dickey….he more than likely will command as many top prospects now as he would in July of next year…and if we are in the race, i certainly dont want to trade him at all…
and Murph’s glove doesnt affect RF, SS and 1B if he plays 3B….and even then, Murphy’s plays on reaction situations are much better than when he has to think…he really is a natural corner IF…but i think he did a FINE job adjusting to 2B this year…
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A few things to get off my chest…
First of all: “the Mets plan to kick off negotiations with their franchise slugger David Wright” Last i checked he’s no slugger.. SInce 2009 the man has avg 18 Hr’s per season.. what is so slugger about that??? Then ike davis must be the next babe ruth? Stop this nonsense
Second of all, let’s just wait for the real report to come out. if the mets offer $100 million along with the $16 million option for this year that would carry this guy to 34-35 then i am fine with it.. They have to spend on somebody i guess to show the fans they got some money. HOWEVER, if this guy who imo (Just talk what ppl wanna listen to, very cliche type of guy) takes the offer without the mets signing anybody and pretty much going into the 2013 season with the same pathetic roster of garbage players then He’s just like the rest of the players in baseball that is all about the money and nothing else.
Look, the guy imo is no franchise player, he just happen to be the best player on a very mediocre team (For now, IKE will replace him in 2013), nothing else. ppl wanna act as if we won anything with this guy after reyes and beltran left. it’s the other way around, he’s shown us how THEY were the real ignoters of this offense, but of course, you’d have people who no matter what fact you bring up wil defend this choke artist to no end.
This is another way to apeace the fan base, if we sign this guy and do nothing else somehow SA and co will have another pass for the year just because he “DID” the right thing in retaining wright.. again, unless you bring in reyes and beltran through that door again this guy at best will be what he was this year, a 300 20 80 “Star” in NY who will be on a losing team or at best a wild card maybe in one of those years to come. i mean, it’s amazing the defense for a guy who’s done nothing, and that has shown that when the pressure is on he FOLDS like a cheap suit. It’s amazing that i even saw someone ACTUALLY compare this guy to miguel cabrera, LOL, i mean wow, just wow..
Anyway, it’ll be interesting to see how all this plays out.. Again, as i said many times, trade the guy for as much as you can because we will not be competitive in 2013, why waste his bests years rebuilding anyways and paying him a large amount of money yearly just to see him put up avg average stats..
There is a good reason nobody pays attention to you. Keep giving us more good reasons.
everything he said was pretty much on the money.
when the pressure is on Wright…and a pitcher has to fire one back and rev up the mph….as sure as i was in 2010 that Tatis would hit into a double-play…thats how sure I am that David Wright folds in those type of situations…
and whats funny, is that David was picked off more times this year than I can ever remember…
had that been Reyes, it would be a sign of his stupidity…
hell when its Murphy, his haters say he has no baseball IQ
When met fans form an impression on someone…it takes an act of god…for them to change their minds
Damaja, these people cannot see faults in DW. The guy is unfloppable and the greatest thing since slice bread (
), the guy came trough a few times this year and good for him, but in the second half he revert back to his true unclutch as hell form. He was nowhere to be found in the second half, yet the detrators kept blaming everyone else but the guy because he’s DW.
Reyes was getting assasinated for leaving the team, he was greedy etc,but if this guy does the same, it’s because he wants to win..
Shameful fanbase to be a part of sometimes..
shameful is not the word…
when its hispanic heritage night in Miami, Arizona, LA, Texas…their fans have no problem with the team wearing LOS in front of the uniform…
when its NYC….home to one of the biggest hispanic populations in all of America….I feel like I’m down south in 1954…
even Matt Cerrone got in on the action in 2007…
http://metsblog.com/uncategorized/note-los-mets-jerseys/
then when hispanic fans complained…he changed his tune the next day….same thing he did with Ike Davis being “aloof” after the FO leaked out his sleeping habits. 5 minutes after saying it, he changed his tune
Matt backtracking on his comments
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View: Los Mets Jersey
August 21st, 2007 3:00 pm
The ‘Los Mets’ jersey will look like the following image…
…actually, they’re kind of cool…i don’t know what i was expecting, but this is basically the same beautiful white jersey, with a tiny Los…
…also, regarding my previous post, i have clearly forgotten everything ever taught to me in Spanish class, because i should know better than to read Los Mets as The Mets…it’s actually not the same thing, in translation…it’s just distinguishing the proper form…sorry, Senor Sweet…keep on whistling…
…i assume they’ll eventually be for sale, which is may be why the team is wearing them in the first place…seriously, though, how many different jerseys can i buy now…i’ve totally lost count…
…the funny thing is, i only own one jersey, and it’s the same old 1986 home jersey i have had since i was a kid…
…again, wear whatever you want guys, just win…
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Good god, not the race thing again. None of this is race motivated by any person on here. Challenging a persons views on something because of skin color of the person being discussed is cheap and disrespectful. What it appears then is instead of the person you are challenging appearing rac-ist, you yourself appear that way. The Jose and Wright deals have NOTHING to do with race.
you are right…
if Wright was pudgy, out of shape, surly with the media, had a really long diving board for a nose
He would’ve gotten the Jose Reyes treatment…
Not trying to say that race was the only factor…
but to say that Wright would get this level of treatment if he was a non-english speaking dark-skinned dominican with an afro or dreads is a lie
Wright is the golden boy that the Mets were trying to have in Gregg Jeffries…and the way they made Jeffries the golden boy…pushing out Wally Backman…an ugly gritty dirty SOB…the way they isolated him…to the point where Gregg went on the FAN and complained that his teammates were isolating him…that kinda treatment is what the Mets have done to DW…
in 2011, damn near every young met player pointed to CARLOS BELTRAN as the leader on the team…
Ruben Tejada was upended by Chase Utley…who came to his defense? RA Dickey ( who pitched that game ) DW ? he had a chance to steal 2B and “return the favor”….
NOPE….it was the team gardener Carlos Beltran….
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-09-25/sports/27076394_1_carlos-beltran-citi-field-jerry-manuel
Carlos was STILL RECOVERING from KNEE SURGERY
In 2011, when spring training opened and they asked Duda, Ike, Pagan, Tejada, Turner who was the leader of the team…they pointed to CARLOS BELTRAN and Tejada said that Reyes was his mentor…
NOBODY SAYS THAT ABOUT WRIGHT !!!
and in 2012, when its revealed that Jose Reyes CONTINUES TO MENTOR RUBEN TEJADA, by offering him a place to stay in the off-season and work out (ruben declined in 2011)
what does Matt Cerrone do?
he goes on Twitter and says this
Matthew Cerrone
@matthewcerrone
As will other Greenberg clients, I’m sure > RT @KBurkhardtSNY: Ruben Tejada & Jose Reyes will work out together this offseason on LI.
Had David Wright offered that to any of the met kids…Metsblog would have a reality tv show on that sh*t…
when Beltran or Reyes do it, it gets shuffled under the rug…
please miss me with your kumbaya bullsh*t…
what we need is diversity in sports journalism so we’re not reading articles that look like they could’ve been written in 1959.
the same way these journalists sh*t on Reyes and Beltran is the same way they did on Clemente and Aaron
and if ur interested in MORE proof, I got dozens of links where the same action by David Wright is looked upon favorably..where Reyes got the complete opposite treatment
Met player argues with coach because he wants to stay in the game
1 – articles.nydailynews.com/2008-06-17/sports/17900070_1_jose-reyes-casey-kotchman-jerry-manuel
2 – http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7936078/david-wright-publically-voicing-displeasure-terry-collins-mets-need
Reyes is a “child”…throwing a tantrum…
Wright is a leader…publicly voicing his displeasure…
Go ahead and tell me there isnt a double-standard in the way these guys were covered
You are right, but asking a white person to see the things that are so apparent to us is nearly impossible. Jason Bay missed the last two trips to Walter Reed and not a word. Beltran was nearly run out of town on a rail and all he did that day was help open a new school in his community to which he donated hundreds of thousands to help build. But most Met fans dont live in that reality they pretend everything is all Brady Bunch. You mentioned Clemente and Aaron and they don’t have a clue to what you are referring to. Better off not even bringing it up here and especially Metsblog where everyday is Aryan Day.
I feel like I went to bed last night in 2012 and woke up in the 1940′s.
Damaja.. everything you said was spot on… i will not bring any comments about what you said to light because then i hate the man personally, but again, the double standard from mets fans regarding wright and other players is clearly obvious, and it goes back to what martino said about mets fans back in 2011 …
Matt’s OG post
Note: Los Mets Jerseys
August 21st, 2007 1:28 pm
Over at his blog for the Daily News, Adam Rubin reports, in honor of “Fiesta Latina” taking place at Shea Stadium on Friday, the Mets will don jerseys with “Los Mets” across their chest during their game against the Dodgers.
For more on the event, head on over to Rubin’s blog.
…added to by Matthew Cerrone…
…this bugs me…not for any other reason than the name on the team’s jersey
isn’t The Mets…it’s just Mets…and Los Mets is
The Mets…it just makes no sense…i could honestly care less that the
organization wants to do a special uniform here and there, most likely for
additional sales…at this point, they have so many uniforms i can’t keep track
anyway…and i’m fine with it…again, i’d rather 100 uniforms and a world series
ring then one uniform and last place…my point is that i am far more concerned
with how they play, then i am with what they wear…but don’t mess with the team’s
name…that’s just wrong…
…added to by Regis Courtemanche…
…i like the throwback uniforms when they wear them, but to come
up with a new novelty uniform doesn’t make sense to me either…what’s
next, subway will have the team sport jerseys with pictures of jared on
the back…i’m obviously exaggerating, but on a uniform that the
players have worked so hard to earn, i never like to see the team
reflect any kind of sponsorship on them…
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“when its NYC….home to one of the biggest hispanic populations in all of America….I feel like I’m down south in 1954…”
I’ve got a friend whose uncle will still show you where the dog bit him during one of those demonstrations. To say something like this completely trivializes an actual struggle based on race. It shows how wrapped up in your own petty little world you are.
To use such a statement so you can hide behind race in an internet argument you aren’t smart enough to participate in is disgraceful.
Are you really trying to equate the actual violence people faced to some blog comments about a baseball uniform?
ok…so down south in 1974…
u are completely missing my point…
good job switching it up so we can talk about ur uncle getting bit in the leg though….we dont need to talk about the exteme discrepency in how David Wright is treated in the media vs his other darker non-english speaking teammates…
we dont need to talk about how folks in NYC are crying and moaning about the word LOS being put on the met uniform…( even though no such complaining happens in Fl, Tex, LA )
nope…
lets talk about your uncle and the dog that bit him
good job
Damaja, guess you’re really new here if you’re enaging with donal or paying him any mind at all
“ok…so down south in 1974…”
No. Still wrong.
“u are completely missing my point…”
That Jim Crowe Laws are equivilant to someone on a blog not liking baseball uniforms?
That German shepherds ripping up people who have the audacity to vote is equal to a baseball player not liking to be benched?
Really? What is your point?
“we dont need to talk about how folks in NYC are crying and moaning about the word LOS being put on the met uniform…( even though no such complaining happens in Fl, Tex, LA ) ”
No. Go check some of those blogs. Especially when the Suns did it on their uniforms. You’ll see some pretty nasty comments.
And I really don’t see how comments on a bog is on the same level as people getting attacked with fire hoses because they wanted a basic standard of living.
“lets talk about your uncle and the dog that bit him”
Not my uncle. My family hadn’t immigrated yet. My friend’s uncle. And I was doing it to provide some perspective.
Just admit you are a coward and are hiding behind the race thing in order to torpedo a discussion that is beyond you.
torpedo a discussion on the civil rights movement?
first off…i said i felt like i was in the south in the 1950′s….if u were actually putting 2 and 2 together…i was referring to the articles written about HANK AARON in Atlanta when he first came up….I was referring to the treatment CLEMENTE got from the press…
I never said Los Mets were being chased by hound dogs…
ur the coward for trying to avoid a discussion that is relevant to 2012 and how it affects the team
Yes, I’m sure it is totally like when Hank Aaron was shot at. Or how he couldn’t show his face in half the towns he played in for fear of his safety.
I’m sure this all just like that.
well specifically i was talking about the way the media treated Hank and Clemente…
Donal? Is that Irish? Don’t you dare to espouse or juxtapose your views on a matter you are a million miles away from. Dont you dare tell us how to feel or better yet how to perceive the injustices and blatant bigotry we see and feel everyday. Until you’ve walked a mile in our shoes, better that you just keep quiet on the matter.
Donal could be Irish, black, hispanic…it really doesnt matter…
there is a conversation we can have on the double-standards that occur here that can indirectly affect how the team i love has its roster shaped.
In 2011, I have to hear Keith go off on Jordany Valdespin’s attitude…before I ever saw him…
In 2012, I have to read about Jordany Valdespin’s attitude on metsblog…and how cocky he is…how we wears sunglasses indoors…how he wears gold chains when he is taking a dump…how is he on facebook chatting with a female when terry collins is giving a speech to the team….
In 2012, I have to read incorrect stories on Ruben Tejada diving into 1B…even though he BLEW out his hamstring right before he FELL….
diving into 1B = STUPID
falling because u blew out ur hamstring = understandable
So, you are saying Jim Crowe Laws are on the same level as blog comments?
No, but i wasnt talking about JC laws .i said i felt like i was living in the south…
that could = alot of things…
one of them is seeing fans give a big double-standard in how they pick and choose who to root for…
another is seeing articles that follow that same line…
What does south have to do with anything when Boston is considered one of the more r…. towns?
Thats a GOOOOOOOD POINT
Well, Mets fans are really closing the GAP….
Alex, are you serious? Come on. This is just pure garbage. You are accusing your friends, ones you have been around for 5+ years now of being something despicable. We are all Mets fans here and I am willing to bet every one of us wouldn’t care a bit about skin color as long as they win.
Who was one of Omar’s biggest defenders? And now you are saying that my choosing Wright over Reyes has to do with skin color? You might not be saying it to me directly but accusing Mets fans of doing this on a Mets blog full of diehard fans of ever race is pathetic.
What if the concerns Keith have are ….. true. Now Keith Hernandez is rac-ist?
I think Keith is an equal opportunity hater
Roxio — Are you aware that the Irish suffered worse discrimination than anything experienced today? A current tennis player who is half black and half Irish said in 1985, “I’ve got twelve hundred years of discrimination on my shoulders — 800 as an Irishman and 400 as a black man.” Really Roxio, you obviously don’t know that mistreatment of the Irish started in the year 1169, which is almost one thousand years ago. We’re all doing better today with less discrimination. So please don’t think you’ve got the market cornered on being treated differently.
Donal knows what he speaks of.
” Are you aware that the Irish suffered worse discrimination than anything experienced today?”
Please don’t do that. As bad as it was for the Irish, it was never what it was for some other groups.
I wasn’t trying to say there is no discrimination or one group has no right to complain.
I’m just pointing out what a stupid comparison Just_Da_Damaja made.
Well it’s pretty safe to say that compared to anything suffered in the US TODAY it’s a fair statement. Again the key word is TODAY.
Yeah Moe, I’m Irish and while we may have been badly discriminated against we were never hung up on trees for looking at a white woman the wrong way. So NO we have not been subjected to or sufferred worse discrimination than others.
Every Minority group who has immigrated here has been discriminated against. And as a result they were kept poor, out of work, and it wasn’t until it hit them that they didn’t have to just sit there and take it that they have ever found a place in this country.
Guys, let me step in here for a minute, on behalf of donal i will say this, the guy is a complete doushhh in my opinion, but in no way, shape or form he intends to offend anyone with ra-ce insults or anything, that’s just not how he is, there are a few people in here who you should be very beware of, but donal is not on of them.. and this is coming from me, a guy who don’t like donal… Let’s stick to baseball and leave the rac-ial stuff out of this.. We all know DW is treated differently, no sense of making a point about it..
And you are??? Never seen you around here before, are you coming from MB to delight us with your delightful present.. You guys who suck up to wright can’t see past his negatives as a ball player.. It’s all about gettng the guy sign but not caring if we suck for 5 or 6 more years with this choke artist wasting a roster spot….
Alex must be suffering from PMS. It has crossed the gender line.
Wow, shocking to say the least… My fault for engaging with someone like you, it’s clear you have no baseball knowledge and just came here in defend of your american hero.. No point in wasting my time with you..
I don’t take issue with much of this really. Besides the normal garbage about clutch but there’s no reason for us to debate that, we know where each other stands.
One thing that I will challenge is: ” if this guy who imo (Just talk what ppl wanna listen to, very cliche type of guy) takes the offer without the mets signing anybody and pretty much going into the 2013 season with the same pathetic roster of garbage players then He’s just like the rest of the players in baseball that is all about the money and nothing else.”
Now granted I have already said that of course Wright is not some super human hero that cares nothing for the money. No player EVER does that anymore and the players union would hang them out to dry if they did. However, IF Wright takes a home town discount which I am guessing we both would view taking just 100M as a discount, then wouldn’t it be hard to say that he is doing it JUST for the money? If anything you could say that he was blinded by loyalty if he takes that offer without testing FA and knowing he could get more else where. However, perhaps it could also be that he is afraid his production next year will be more like the 2nd half this year than the first half and wants to assure the 100M? There are so many variables here.
However, perhaps it could also be that he is afraid his production next year will be more like the 2nd half this year than the first half and wants to assure the 100M? There are so many variables here”
ARE YOU KIDDING ME????? So let me guess this straight, you and most of your buddies trash reyes for taking the ONLY offer he got from the marlins and leaving the mets, yet you are already building up excuses for wright if the takes the money w/o any really regard for winning? doesn’t that make him just like reyes? all about the money? Or because is DW is different because he somehow is your role model? You guys are pathetic and literally make me sick with your f’ing DOUBLE STANDARD \
Alex, find ONE post where I bash Reyes for leaving the Mets. I said at the time and have always said it was his choice. I harbor no ill will to Reyes for leaving but now that he is with the Marlins I hope he stinks. That’s my ill will towards Reyes, don’t make up things that aren’t there in some fictitious race war.
Un-freaking real that these Wright/Reyes discussions are still going on. What boggles my mind with all the race BS is that the people that call it out really demonstrate no proof to back it up and in the end they look like they are the ones that have the issue with the white guy. With fans not wanting Reyes signed to a cash strapped team why can’t it be that a contact for a aging player whose game is based on his legs, who continues to have leg issue coming off the best season he will ever have in his career was not worth signing to a team with no money. Why can’t it be as simple as that. Why can;t it be that Reyes wanted to do the best thing for him and his family and wanted to go to another team that had some juice and be only a hour long flight to the DR where he lives. That’s all it really is. You can be pissed on how SA handled the situation (if I wanted him resigned I would of been, but I didn’t so it didn’t bother me).
As for the white boy, he is a completely different player that will be less risky with a long term contract. He is a table setter not a clearer so he needs bodies around him to perform his role the best. So the team needs to decide what is in there best long term interests and there are way more factors to him then just playing. They need a new long term ambassador to succeed Seaver, they need to demonstrate that they are “back in business” (I am in the belief that his signing doesn’t accomplish that) and they have the opportunity to have a home grown player finish his career as a Met and hold most mets records. As a team that wants to build a identity and that is in the shadows of the Yankees, these things are important.
As for signing him long term based solely on his performance and none of the above factors, I am really leaning to getting rid of him. The team does not have the ability to quickly put other players around him. We know from experience David is not designed to carry the club on his sholders all the time and there is nothing wrong with this but you need to build the team correctly if you are going to go in that direction. If his contract is going to suck all the last remaining capital out of the team and they can’t improve anywhere else then you are wasting the fans, and David’s time. Seaver got traded and came back home and I am sure Wright has the ability to do the same.
“no proof to back it up and in the end they look like they are the ones that have the issue with
the white guy. ”
My point exactly. ANYTIME on a blog about sports you bring up and accuse another section of being racist you are just going to point the finger back at yourself. That is why you just don’t discuss those things on a baseball blog. No one wants to read the garbage and it never ends well. Might as well discuss politics and religion while we are at it.
articles.nydailynews.com/2008-06-17/sports/17900070_1_jose-reyes-casey-kotchman-jerry-manuel
espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7936078/david-wright-publically-voicing-displeasure-terry-collins-mets-need
no proof huh?
So you honestly think there is no difference in actions in a dugout and actions on the field? Again, if you go out looking for something you can always read something into something else. What difference does it make?
so pointing ur finger in ur manager’s face…screaming at him at the top of ur lungs…in full public display on public tv is somehow different.
Ok, whatever works for u
personally i think that was David’s finest moment in years as a met…I just dont like the double-standards in the media…
thats all
Can we stick to baseball and forget about the “RAce” thing??? Look, I don’t want the guy here because w/o reyes and beltran he’s proven to be even more useless than before, it’s on the decline at an early age of 29 years old.. he’s soft, not a franchise player and i think his best year are long gone.. Move on from the CORE we had in 2005-2008 already. this guy if anything was a bigger reason for our demised as were everyone else.. from his disappearance act in the playoffs in 2006 to the 2nd most famous strike out in franchise history in 2008 the guy is just not a guy you build around, he’s the type of player who benefited from having great players around him that took away all the pressure… that’s when he performs at its best.. If the mets are not bringing back reyes and beltran then there’s no point on signing this known around the league choke artist.. move him for players who are ready to break out in the majors, build around IKE DAVIS and see where we are in a few more years… there.. simple!!
I still don’t get your comments with if the Mets are not bringing in Reyes to help Wright he’s pointless. I thought you said great players, not guys like Reyes who were soft and flopped every September. (
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That being said, I already agreed that if they are not going to surround him with a talented team by 2014 there would be no use for him. However, on a competitive team he is a very nice guy to have. There are very few players who can actually care a team full of garbage and one trick hitters. Honestly I can’t even think of one.
I just have to say that this thread should be framed as the quintessential, classic, utterly comical MMO daily meeting of the minds.
Just hilarious, incredible, and almost too much to even be believed.
Almost.
Keep going everyone, keep making the same points to the same 6–8 people, and keep thinking you may EVER change each others’ minds.
May the Lord bless those with WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much time on their hands.
After reading Matts blog the last couple of nights, the same exist there as well.
Actually in fact some of the new uh unique posters are from Mattsblog.
Yes threads like this never happen almost everyday at Metsblog.
I must say, joe D needs to step in before this thread becomes damage goods… TRS, for someone who’s against that type of talk, you sure keep up the conversation…
The guy is unclutch, is not worth the money.. move on….
Again, you yourself said that you were ok with 100M if this and if that. So how can we say he isn’t worth the money? What money?
Also, until you actually prove the unclutch comment by defining clutch, that too is a pointless conversation that has already taken too many days on multiple blogs away.
Just my 2 Cents on all this race talk….
#1 – We HAVE established here that this country still has a long way to go haven’t we?
#2 – Latinos are the fastest growing demographic in the USA and lets face facts here they were the biggest supporters of the team from 2005-2011 and the few players who drew them to us have been sent packing. Not a single White guy has been traded and every player traded so far is a spanish speaking individual. But is that because of racism or merely because the team was comprised of mostly latin players and those were the players who were actually playing well enough to be wanted by someone else? White folks who complained about “Los Mets” stopped going. thier motives were probably more racist than the FO’s
#3 – If the FO was actually racist then they would not have signed all the IFAs they did last year and would have signed thier second half of the draft instead.
#4 – If you look at the trades made with Race Blinders you see the much more troubling common denominator about them. It wasn’t race it was that they were the best players we had. Beltran was the best hitter and probably the best OFer we had. K-Rod was the best BP arm we had. Pagan (once Beltran was gone) was the best OFer and only real CF we had left. Reyes was without a doubt the best IF and Leadoff hitter we had. Wright at the time was underperforming and Ike was hurt and unproven. If they were white what would people say about that common denominator I mentioned?
Which takes us back to Wright and his value to the team….
It doesn’t really matter if he is a superstar or not, All Star or not or HOF or not.
Bottomline he IS the BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM!
Maybe that isn’t saying much when you look at the rest of the team but it does say enough!
I keep hearing people talk about trading Wright to rebuild and have yet to hear a single name they are going to get in return that guarantees the team will be better or even make up what Wright brings to the lineup and the field. We have a shortage of RH Power bats and we propose to fix that by trading the last RH power bat we have on the roster?
Are we rebuilding? Or just tearing down the house here?
And if you think we are rebuild when do we start laying the new blocks of the foundation? How many more GOOD players have to leave before we can START this REBUILD?
No one here is rebuilding they are merely tearing down with some weak promise of rebuild after the MAYBES they all want to trade for have proven one way or the other and we know less than 25% of all prospects returned in any BIG CHIP trade actually become a MLB player for more than a year.
If you don’t keep the guys who perform and trade them to fix others who do NOT perform all your doing is taking the few good player you have to build around and turning thier Roster Spot/Position into just another hole you have to fill…
It is the plan of an insane man just desperate for change for the sake of change with no plan on how to change for the better!
i’m gonna post it again…
Wrights numbers with
nobody on base- 296/375/493
runners on- 306/387/520
runners in scoring position- 295/389/486
It would be crazy to trade him and then try to sign him back when he hit the FA?
Just to be on the record, going forward after this year, 2013, the rotation won’t be taking up much $$ other than RA /Nielse so money could be used for David, catcher and a power bat for OF.
This, after deals are done, is when you really need scouts who have followed other teams expendable players that might fit into Mete FO approach and needs going forward.
Do a good job with this and many doubts are erased or bring in useless players, like Torres /Ramirez then team will continue Otto thread water.