Comments on: Mets Should Stay Far Away From Russell Martin

By: Martin

Martin — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:28:03 +0000

When people use the word intangibles it means they are stupid.

By: Mike Lloyd

Mike Lloyd — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:44:04 +0000

Don’t worry they will….

By: This is stupid

This is stupid — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 04:37:33 +0000

Yawn.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 00:35:46 +0000

You are 100% correct Damaja,

Unfortunately in these stat-drunk times where Fantasy Baseball people rule the blogoshere they are under the false impression now that each and every baseball single player on a team must fit an offensive criteria, including speed and be statistically appealing in just about every category..and some new ones as well! Which in real life is not the case and never should be the case.

If Thole had the defense of a Jerry Grote I and i’m sure a few others would say keep him but still just get a right-handed complement to him.
But he doesn’t, his defense took a big step back as well as his hitting and in my opinion will Thole will never possess the defense and makeup that I think is good enough to handle a pitching staff for a contender. Never. Even though I think his offense will get better and he’s not as bad as he showed this year (maybe due to Hudgens’ approach?) he will still never be the catcher that i am looking for to be part of a winning “unit”.

Just_Da, people don’t think like that anymore. Now they look for every – single – damned player to have a nice OBP, a nice SLG and a NICE OPS.

Jerry Grote would have been GONE before you can say 1969 and 1973 if Sandy were around back then. And if Sandy were not around and fans were as stupid with numbers then as they are now then they would have wanted him gone because of his stupid useless OBP, OPS, and SLG. I don’t know Jerry Grote’s stupid OBP, OPS, or SLG but i do know he was a SOLID catcher, not so great hitter but probably one of the best defensive and most respected catchers to ever to put on the tools of ignorance.
These people now are so numbers drunk it winds up working against them more often than not.

By: Stick

Stick — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:52:44 +0000

there is a difference between .285 in AA and doing it in the majors. And even a defense first catcher has to offer some offense.

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:31:19 +0000

…ummm…calling a game and defense are the MOST important parts of being a catcher…the fact that he can do those 2 things, hit for decent avg is good enough…the guy does not have to be johnny bench..

By: Stick

Stick — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:19:04 +0000

this was his age 22 season in Bingo.

his biggest weakness is lack of any power. His numbers this year were almost identical to what Ruben tejada put up. Decent BA, lowish OBP, and zippo power (slugging and HRs).

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:01:32 +0000

Yeah…Martin is way worse than Thole and Shoppach’s combined .227 average with 4 HRs with 31 RBI’s and 17 doubles in 2012. Doesn’t matter…the Mets aren’t giving $7 million to anyone. Hell, they will probably offer Wright and Dickey a combined $7 million per year beyond 2013.

By: Just_Da_Damaja

Just_Da_Damaja — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:31:59 +0000

Best way of getting a top catcher is through the minor league system…

Juan Centeno has thrown out over 45% of base-stealers the past few years…the kid is only 21 and o by the way…he can hit too…

for some odd reason….everyone is ignoring him…but Kevin Plaweki is on the radar?

By: PA Met fan

PA Met fan — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:53:53 +0000

Agreed, the last thing the mets need is another detiriorating player. We need to learn from our Jason Bay mistake and stay away from players who’s stats are going downhill.

By: TruthsaboutMurphy

TruthsaboutMurphy — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:50:22 +0000

Uh, like Thole is any better?

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:19:41 +0000

Indians would ask for pitching first & foremost, so maybe offer a couple of the guys we have in high A plus a ML ready guy.

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 02:08:02 +0000

Problem is, like Montero, Sanchez’s achilles heel is his defense. Here’s the breakdown about his defense:

“Flat out bad behind the plate. Frequently boxes pitches and doesn’t receive well. Struggles handling premium velocity and any type of breaking ball. Doesn’t consistently put in the work to improve behind the plate. Lacks ability to keep the ball in front of him. Doesn’t move well. Struggles calling games and displaying leadership on the field. Will flash plus catch-and-throw skills with occasionally quick feet, a quick transfer and a plus arm. Very unlikely he remains behind the plate. Move to first base is very possible.”

By: TruthsaboutMurphy

TruthsaboutMurphy — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:29:36 +0000

The Yanks have a huge prospect that’ll probably be ready by 2014. Starting catcher, awesome bat. Gary Sanchez. He’s the reason they felt comfortable trading Montero. Martin was doing well enough in their already stacked lineup, and this kid was just a few yrs away.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:56:47 +0000

I don’t know how the Pirates value him, but they have a kid in AA named Charlie Cutler they took from the Cardinals. Cutler’s career minor league stats are .296/.407/.421 and he’s hit at every level. The only time he’s struggled was in 2010 when he was initially promoted to AA. He started in AA in 2011 and killed it, so he can make adjustments. He’s 26 and real old for his league, though. He’s thrown out 25% of base stealers in his career, which is nice, but there’s not much else known about his defense. There’s a chance he doesn’t even catch in the majors. I’d like to know more about him.

By: Sloatsburg Mets Fan

Sloatsburg Mets Fan — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:50:36 +0000

I too like Santana. I remember when he first got called up. What would it take to get him.

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:39:16 +0000

There’s nothing that meets the eye among catchers via FA (although I like Gerald Laird and David Ross).

Via trade? I don’t know a lot of them off hand, but I’d like to go after another Dodger farmhand, Carlos Santana. Switch hitter that can rake (25-30 HR type) and has good defense. Not to mention the ridiculously cheap 5 year, $21 million contract he has. Cleveland is a wasteland when it comes to their roster and needs as much help as they can get.

By: Sloatsburg Mets Fan

Sloatsburg Mets Fan — Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:04:07 +0000

Flow,
I was thinking the exact thing. I want know part of R. Martin. Interesting how the Dodgers keep developing good catchers.

Is there a list of quality catchers available either via FA or Trade?

By: L.J. Phipps

L.J. Phipps — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:44:13 +0000

I agree no Martin, maybe 5 years ago, but not now!

By: Hawk

Hawk — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 22:24:11 +0000

And No, Russell Martin, I’ll pass.