Comments on: Mets Will Non-Tender Pelfrey, Could Bring Back Torres

By: BadBadLeroyBrown

BadBadLeroyBrown — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:41:27 +0000

I would rather M. Donald Grant run this team again than be held HOSTAGE by Sandy Alderson any longer….Under every Mets GM in all my years I at least had hope heading into the next season….HOPE!!!! Now I go into every season thibking we dont have a prayer…smh…I wont spend another dime on this team…Their isnt even an effort to improve

By: ricky86

ricky86 — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:52:02 +0000

The front office need to be creative to fill the many holes in this team with the budget they have, talking about financial flexibility won’t improve the 2013 team, unless SA start making trades to other teams using their need and our need as starting points.

By: Just Some Internet Guy You Dont Know

Just Some Internet Guy You Dont Know — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:16:00 +0000

Everyone knows what could happen but they make it sound more like “we’re getting rid of Pelfrey but keeping this other scrub”. It’s the way they operate that just aggravates me. Never liked Sandy but everyone knew he was going to be GM when Selig was involved.

The way it SOUNDS is like they’re letting Pelf walk.

By: L.J. Phipps

L.J. Phipps — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:13:47 +0000

Why bring back Torres at any price, he is awful and I am sure the Mets can dig up another 4th outfielder.

By: taskmaster4450

taskmaster4450 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:28:07 +0000

Not for $2.2M.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:44:30 +0000

I would tend to agree, unless they for some reason believe that Kirk is a platoon player and have to have a RH complement. Problem is the entire system is void of RH hitting OF.

By: jaysmets

jaysmets — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:36:05 +0000

Why in the world they even consider bringing back Torres. They are better off using one of the youngsters they have and allocate funds were they really need it like catcher , b-pen and second base.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:56:01 +0000

Come on, like Pelfrey’s agent didn’t know already that the Mets were non-tendering him instead of paying him close to 6M to not even be healthy to start the season?

By: Matt M

Matt M — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:45:36 +0000

The fact that this is even a question shows how stupid this front office is.

By: Just Some Internet Guy You Dont Know

Just Some Internet Guy You Dont Know — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:51:44 +0000

I seriously hope this is some bad joke.

Why would you mention Pelfrey will be non tendered NOW? So Boras can find him a contract somewhere else where he’ll be appreciated and leave the Mets with one less option?

Why the hell would Torres even be considered. I would have released him a day after the season and give the job to Kirk.

They already let it be known they plan to low ball Wright and might consider trading Dickey. Do they want fans to revolt or something?

I swear being a Mets fan for over 25 years has been painful…

By: Des

Des — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:54:56 +0000

The reality is that there are two Andres Torres.

The Torres with the RHB is pretty good.

The Torres with the LHB is pretty bad.

We need righty batters so maybe folks who have their bloomers twisted in a knot will be pleasantly surprised if Torres is used only against LHP, for defense and as a pinch runner.

By: Mike Lloyd

Mike Lloyd — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 07:33:24 +0000

I’ll tell you this…if SA tries to sell us on Andres Torres even on a minor league deal, i’m grabbing my bat, glove and ball, and going home…

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:34:55 +0000

“I do however, believe that the Team is better than they were prior to Sandy. This is only the case due to the emergence of Dickey, Harvey, Gee, and the continued progression of Niese”

Well I don’t look at it as the TEAM being better, those players themselves are better. And even despite his long early slump and low BA as a result of it I think Ike got better too.
(and will again next year)

Yet that improvement has not translated to the win column which to me is an indication the TEAM is worse and despite the improvement of player (who were already here no thanks to Sandy) we got no benefit of that improvement.

The decline in other areas offset those performance gains.

Like Pagan or not, His performance (even at 2011 numbers) were better than Torres and Ramirez was just an out and out disaster.

WHile some will excuse that because thier statistics said otherwise at the time of the trade the truth is the GM is supposed to use more than just statistics and gets paid to know what a player will do.

If we had kept Pagan we might not have lost ground to offset the player who did better. If we had kept Reyes or re-signed Beltran perhaps those gains would have put us over 82 wins and above .500.

In the end the GM needs to do his homework and I don’t think these guys did.
The team is actually worse DESPITE improvement by a lot of players.

WHich means:
1 – he was wrong about the players he let go and brought in to replace them
2 – he was wrong to think this team did not have the talent to improve (because players did improve)
3 – He was wrong to think a rebuild was required when all of the pieces who have filled a hole were already here and none of the players he brought in has rebuilt anything or filled one positional hole.

It’s Wheeler and thats about it and the way he shops for Free agents he is not going to add to that very short list.
We have seen what he gets in return for K-Rod and Pagan…
At best the Beltran deal is a wash got what he gave.

And I for one fully expect him to trade Wright soon enough and my main concern is not about the value wright has to us but the likely lack of value we will get back because this guy likes the type of player that does not win championships just wins the race for cheapest payroll in the league and fits a philosophy that has never worked anywhere.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:04:07 +0000

I was’t a Pagan fan so I cannot speak as to his trade being ultimately detrimental; however, I can see how Torres is a detriment and should not suit up for The Mets next year. I am still unsure about the direction of the FO as I have yet to see them truely target players based on a specific skill set. This of course is due to their lack of signing rather than any other evidence. I do however, believe that the Team is better than they were prior to Sandy. This is only the case due to the emergence of Dickey, Harvey, Gee, and the continued progression of Niese. I am in the camp of pitching first. At the plate the only progression has really been the reemergence of Wright as a truely gifted hitter. Ike has a real possibility to be a good #4 hitter and Tejada is a capable leadoff or #2 hitter. The outfield offense is terrible and steps need to be taken, this off-season, to rectify the offensive abyss that is The Mets outfield. I am not a Duda believer. I think he would be fine in an outfield that does not include Bay but that is not the case and under our current roster he has no place. A true RF would be a godsend to the team next year, coupled with bullpen changes The Mets look to supplant the Phillies at 3rd and could make a run at the Braves or possibly the Nats next year. None of the above is possible with Torres manning CF he just isn’t what this team needs and if the FO doesn’t see that then they are blind or I am stupid one or the two. lol

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:39:19 +0000

The problem is Nathan they think Torres (and players like him) IS putting the best team on the field.

They believe thier philosophy is the path to success despite the fact anyone who has followed it never winning anything.

They put thier philosophy ahead of the performance…

If he doesn’t perform it’s not the philosophy that failed we didn’t provide him what he needed to succeed.

Thats thier thinking and it’s just foolish.
Finding cheap talent works ONLY if you use the money you saved to get GOOD talent that can make up for the lack of talent by the cheap guy…

I persoannly think next year is Sandy’s last unless he makes the playoffs so it really doesn’t matter what they do at this point most of the damage has been done…
Our most valuable trade chips were sent away for nothing, Three Allstars gone with nothing but Wheeler to show for it and only half a 2012 draft to rebuild with in the next 4 years…

It’s going to be someone else’s problem and all that financial fixing some think we got will force the next guy to spend in FA more than he should to fix it in years when there aren’t enough players to spend on and we go right back to where we were 2 years ago.

They need to spend smarter, and they need to spend enough to get talent.

Paying close to 3 Mil for a .240 hitter is not what I call smart spending.

And if they didn’t trade away our two best OFers we wouldn’t be in the situation where we need to keep Torres in the first place.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:20:19 +0000

metsie, I will acquiesce to your assertation if they re-sign him. Until then I will assume that The Mets are still in the buisness of putting the best team they can afford on the field. If Torres’ lefty righty splits were not so scewed by sample size I would suggest that Kirk and him would make a fair platoon but anyone with eyes saw how lost Torres was at the plate this year. .320 OBP be darned he is not worth the money.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:18:35 +0000

When are we going to realize that Torres is the type of guy Sandy and Co just love!

He costs less than 3 Mil…

He follows the batting approach as we have seen that Torres was the most patient PA on the team (I wouldn’t say he is a patient hitter because he doesn’t hit for @$#%)

These are the guys they like!

By: Nathan

Nathan — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:08:00 +0000

This seems strange. I do not understand why they would declare their intent to non-tender Pelfrey before they just do it. I am also bewildered why a cash strapped organization would even remotely consider bringing Torres back. Considering the 20% reduction for Pelfrey his salary would be around 4.56 mill. Its strange that 4.56 million for a Pelfrey is now unthinkable but times have changed. 2.7 mill for a fairly useless Torres seems like a greater waste to me.

By: Hank

Hank — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:07:40 +0000

I don’t even know how anyone can justify bringing back Torres, especially since he’ll get a raise as well.

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:40:20 +0000

Bringing back Torres will be the first mistake they make this offseason. They need to non-tender him and run for the hills. As far as Pelfrey goes, good move to non-tender him. Now, like I stated earlier today, try to resign him to a 1 year, $1.5-2 million deal and bring him back as a long reliever. In my mind, going to the bullpen would be the best move for him at this stage. We all know Pelfrey lacks that baseball IQ, that mental intelligence, but have him build his confidence up from the pen, and should he find himself from a consistent standpoint, give him another chance in the starting rotation. Worked for Medlen, didn’t it? Should he (or Boras for that matter) refuse the move, then by all means we wash our hands with Pelfrey. There are a lot of diamonds in the rough throughout the league that the Mets can take advantage of.