Comments on: Is Omar Vizquel Hall of Fame Worthy?

By: jon

jon — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:41:08 +0000

with regards to clutch hitting lets remember the great derek jeter only has 2 walkoffs in his career. And Jose looks pretty good on fangraphs this year in the clutch hitting department. think wlak-offs are overrated. ryese getting on in thefirst stealing second , moved to third by loduca and sac flyed in by beltran works pretty well also.

By: oliver

oliver — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:49:32 +0000

24 seasons, 3 all star games, 11 gold gloves (2nd SS all time) 2968 games played (12th all time)
10586 at bats (15th all time) 12013 plate appereances (17th all time) 2877 hits (40th all time) 404 stolen bases, 2264 singles (16th all time) 8433 outs made (7th all time) 8050 assists (5th all time) 2709 Defensive games SS (1ST ALL TIME) 7676 assists SS (3rd all time) Most Doble Plays SS (1st ALL TIME) 985 fielding% (1st ALL TIME). Better defensive and ofensive numbers than Aparicio and Smith. This guy is the BEST defensive SS in the history of baseball and a future Hall of Famer

By: gorgeguy

gorgeguy — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:29:57 +0000

First off, Jose was one of my favorite Mets. I don’t pull for him anymore, but I also don’t vote against him either.

He is not HOF worthy for at lest 2 reasons: (1) He is not great defensively and (2) even though he has catalyst ability, he chokes way too often in the clutch.

Neither he nor David Wright win enough games for their team to be considered HOF material.

By: jon

jon — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:05:20 +0000

Interesting article. I think he deserves to get in on his defense alone. He became a much better hitter as his career progressed. As for shortstops, we will have interesting discussions when guys like Reyes and Rollins finish up their careers. Both will push towards 3000 hits and 600 to 700 steals plus other gaudy numbers. Reyes is a much better hitter and Rollins the better fielder. If they stay healthy and effective both will be enshrined in my opinion. Will be a sad day for Met fans when Jose goes in with that ugly Marlin hat (or Yankee hat)

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:02:36 +0000

You’re not really getting the whole “all world” defensive player thing are you? Reyes doesn’t fit that criteria…

Reyes is a very good offensive hitter but he’s not elite and he’s not an elite defender. If Reyes gets to 3,000 hits I agree with you.

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:39:03 +0000

Here’s something you might like, Jessep.

Vizquel is one of 19 players to play 24-or-more seasons in the majors; nine of them are Hall-of-Famers and four are not (or not yet) eligible (Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, Jamie Moyer and Vizquel). The six eligible players with at least 24 major-league seasons who are not in the Hall are Deacon McGuire, Jim Kaat, Tommy John, Rick Dempsey, Charlie Hough and Jesse Orosco.
That’s from Elias.

By: Markcomic1

Markcomic1 — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:29:32 +0000

I hope one day Keith Hernandez & Mattingly get in together, voted in by the veterans committee.

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 19:09:06 +0000

If Vizquel is a Hall of Famer than Jose Reyes is shoe-in for the HOG too.

Vizquel never dominated his era, was never a catalyst, and didn’t do any one thing exceptionally well or ever led the league in any category, while Reyes’ BR page is covered in Bold lettering (League Leader) including a batting title, three stolen base crowns, two silver sluggers, and leading the league in triple four times.

Plus Reyes received MVP votes four times, Vizquel once. And Reyes is 29 and still has years to go.

Vizquel had 3 all star appearances in 24 years, Reyes 4 all star appearances in 9 years.

Vizquel has a career .686 OPS, Reyes almost 100 points higher at .782 OPS.

Congratulations to Jose Reyes, future Hall of Famer.

By: Mitch Petanick

Mitch Petanick — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:51:44 +0000

I think criteria for Hall of Famers should be broken down by position. For the most part, short stops aren’t going to hit 500 home runs, or do a lot of the things we consider things that have to be accomplished to be inducted. Short stop was traditionally a light hitting position, and Omar was one of those players who not only was great defensively, made it OK to expect some offense from your short stop.

By: Mitch Petanick

Mitch Petanick — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:40:57 +0000

I learned my lesson yesterday lol

Just joking…I really do agree. Vizquel was overshadowed by those steroid era numbers short stops were putting up for a long time. He was Ozzie with a bat.

By: Satish Ram

Satish Ram — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:53:56 +0000

“I’m not suggesting that Ozzie Smith or Luis Aparicio are not worthy of the Hall of Fame. They were defensive wizards and for their position, respectable at the plate. What I am suggesting is that if they are Hall of Famers – then there is no way you can tell me Vizquel is not.”

So at first glance, I really did not consider Vizquel to be a HOFer… And a part of me still doesn’t.

However, if the current HOFers are the standard for new HOFers, and we haven’t adjusted them at all, then Vizquel should get in by those standards.

I do believe that the thought process has been altered slightly…but I have to remember to consider defense when considering HOFers. I usually look at it as an add-on, but not a neccesity. I’d vote a DH in. That’s another discussion, though.

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:42:00 +0000

hooray! haha

By: Mitch Petanick

Mitch Petanick — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:39:02 +0000

Agree