Comments on: If You Want Alex Gordon, Be Prepared To Give Up Harvey Or Niese

By: ecpglp

ecpglp — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:06:37 +0000

Alex Gordon is a top 20 player by WAR, and has been for the last two years. Look it up. That is absolutely 100% worth Harvey or Wheeler. Gordon is WAY undervalued, probably because he plays in KC.

By: ecpglp

ecpglp — Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:03:15 +0000

You’d prefer a prospect (granted, a great one) to a proven major leaguer? One who is a superior defender and one of the most valuable players in the majors by WAR (look it up)? Really? Are you insane?

By: Stick

Stick — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 23:20:57 +0000

TRS, that makes logical sense. Santana, he is not bringing anything back though.

By: Hitman

Hitman — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:59:57 +0000

I could see that happening only if Tampa wants to get involved. However, instead of Dickey, it can be Santana (with the Mets eating the contract). We need to get young, sufficient pitching.

By: trs86

trs86 — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:55:44 +0000

Now if the Mets wanted to work out a three way where Dickey goes for something that in turn brings back Gordon with us chipping in a guy like Duda and aeither prospect?

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:35:27 +0000

LOL

Niese makes 3 mil next year…then 5 mil…then 7 mil…then 9 mil…with 2 team options after that…

Gordon makes 9 mil…then 10 mil…then 12 mil…

If Niese is traded, its for someone entering his 1st or 2nd year in the bigs…not for someone making triple his salary

Logic + Met fans dont always go together…

Now that being said…I am not opposed to moving Niese if it means getting back a Jameson Taillon

Niese is affordable to a team like Pittsburgh and if we sweeten the deal by including Murphy and Duda…u pull the trigger on that move..

why?

Murphy is entering his 1st year of arb….I assume Duda being demoted had more to do with limiting his service time…if performance was a factor, Ike would’ve been demoted far before Duda

Essentially, this is all about trading guys who are approaching their arb years in exchange for guys in the minors

By: Hitman

Hitman — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 22:13:23 +0000

I’d only go for Gordon ONLY if the Mets can also manage to get Gordon with some pitching like Mike Montgomery, despite his shortcomings the past two seasons. This team needs to be run mainly by pitching & defense.

By: Chest Rockwell

Chest Rockwell — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:49:20 +0000

Wrong on all counts as The Core always is.

Gordon is a very good player. But he is not one you trade Niese/Harvey/Wheeler for.

And Alderson has, in the moves he has made, done a very poor job.

OK, enough having my IQ lowered by the 4–5 people here who delude themselves into thinking they are anything but a joke to the rest of us.

By: Met Maniac

Met Maniac — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:18:14 +0000

It’s hilarious reading how many Mets fans think Gordon isn’t that good. And oddly enough they are the ones who defend Alderson tooth and nail. SMH!

By: Chest Rockwell

Chest Rockwell — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:52:05 +0000

The strength is fragile and should not be disrupted as the rest of the team is so thin and weak. And it matters not, as the Met front office would laugh at the idea of Harvey or Niese or Wheeler for this guy.

“the difference between replacing Niese with Wheeler would be negligible”—as Wheeler has zero MLB appearances, this comment is utter comedy.

By: Chest Rockwell

Chest Rockwell — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:49:10 +0000

The rotation was a strength due to Dickey and Niese, and Johan until the no/1-hitter ruined his season.

“Mejia and Familia are still here along with Hefner and Mchugh”–Hefner and McHugh are garbage nothings, and Mejia and Familia, while holding promise, have not proven very much even in the minors thus far.

Dickey/Niese/Harvey are a potentially great 1-2-3. Wheeler is loved by scouts and if he develops as hoped, the rotation could be so good that you won’t need 6 runs a game to be a good team in 2–3 years.

I feel that the team would be insane to break that up for Alex Gordon.

By: Just-Da-Damaja

Just-Da-Damaja — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:35:42 +0000

Problem with Wright, is that the Wright we knew from 05-08 has been replaced by the Wright we know now from 2009-2012…

Wright’s splits esp from July – September are horrifying

2009
July – .269
August -.306
September -.269

2010
July – .296
August -.225
September -.248

2011

July ( 10 games ) – .455
August -.247
September -.216

2012
July – .255
August -.272
September -.262

Those numbers are night and day with his splits from April-May-June

and thats with the same dimensions….a lineup that performed better in the 2nd half.

Ike was atrocious in the 1st half of 2012, great in the 2nd half…and provided the “protection” Wright lacked in the 1st half when he was actually great…

Problem i feel with Wright is that when he bats in front of a bopper…the pitcher cant walk around Wright…and will challenge Wright more often than not….

the elephant in the room is that Wright can no longer handle a really good FB anymore and is really more suited to hit 5 than 3 or 4…

In a tight pressure situation….no one is scared of Wright…as a matter of fact, they probably fear Daniel Murphy….

Why?

Murphy is totally happy with a slap single to CF….he has no posters to sell…no sponsors expecting a Herculean HR….no pressure about being the face of the franchise

Same with Duda

Same with Tejada

Same with Turner

David Wright is only worth David Wright money when you put him in a NY Yankee lineup and surround him with several guys who can handle the media as he had in 2005-2008

Pedro
Glavine
LoDuca
Wagner
Floyd
Santana

all shared in handling the media

once Pedro left…and Glavine…and LoDuca….and Wagner….and Floyd….

This is when Wright became the sole and only voice to handle reporters…

By: Nathan

Nathan — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:32:04 +0000

I tend to disagree with Wheeler. He does look good but we haven’t been able to score runs. Not only that but we haven’t produced any Major League outfielders and have none on the horizon for a couple years. Gordon would really help stabilize the offense and Wheeler, while good, is still in the minors. Gordon has been durn good the past two years. I am unsure of why his Hr total dropped off this year but his doubles went up, maybe it was luck. Either way his stick and outfield D would be seriously welcome. I understand your position on the depth chart; however, Mejia and Familia are still here along with Hefner and Mchugh. These guys combined for quite a few starts this year and the rotation was still a strength. I love to think about long term building but if we don’t start winning games we are going to lose more players then we can produce.

By: K Maxx

K Maxx — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:24:54 +0000

You may not be familiar with the concept of dealing from one’s strength. Look it up. Gordon would be a huge lift for this team’s offense and the difference between replacing Niese with Wheeler would be negligible, while the difference between Gordon and Nieuwenhuis would be monumental. You seem to have a very narrow view of things.

By: Chest Rockwell

Chest Rockwell — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:17:04 +0000

LOL to anyone even CONSIDERING Niese, Harvey, or Wheeler for Gordon.

Gordon is good, but not THAT good, and pitching wins titles; pretty good OF don’t without that pitching.

No chance in the world this happens, and it is more meaningless speculation from MLB’s chief fabricator, Buster Olney.

Why is it so hard to understand that the Mets have stunk for years, and have right now exactly ONE strength–starting pitching–Dickey/Niese/Harvey/Gee and Johan-then-Wheeler have the potential to be good enough to help the team show serious improvement if they are all healthy, even in 2013. Remove one of them, and you are an injury away from more of the same garbage we have seen for years.

They just signed Niese to a great, club-friendly, long-term deal and he followed that with his by far best season, health- AND production-wise.

Why would the team even consider trading him?

Harvey and Wheeler are utterly untouchable, unless you are getting back a player of a level you won’t get, because they are also untouchable.

Gordon is a good to very good player, but he is not close to that level.

Nothing to see here.

By: steve

steve — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:51:20 +0000

If you are inclined to trade Wheeler,you better be asking for Wil Myers!! End of story

By: Nathan

Nathan — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:24:07 +0000

Dealing RA would be acceptable; however, the Royals are a budget conscious team and trading Gordon’s friendly contract for one year of Dickey is probably a no go. That is why I would choose Wheeler. Of course I would attempt Mejia or Familia first but Wheeler would be my cap. Speaking of which Sandy needs to find a trade partner for Mejia. He is a good pitcher and may have something to offer another team. I’d love to find a good list of outfield prospects to see if there is a match up somewhere.

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:13:35 +0000

Nathan: I would deal Dickey or Wright. You keep a young core and deal neither. You protect your own young and do NOT sacrifice them.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:02:48 +0000

I would entertain a Wheelercentric trade for Gordon. Yes he looks good but he is a ML’r. Trading from the roster would hurt the team. Gordon is a lefty but that would give us a good LH RH LH 345. That puts Wright in the 4 hole but when protected he performs better. IDK sounds like a long shot. But the message is solid if you want to get someone you have to part with someone and right now our young contractually obligated LH would be last on my list. I’d deal Harvey before Niese.

By: Tommy2cat

Tommy2cat — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 06:59:23 +0000

Many of your points are valid, some of which I have adhered to, but have elected to subordinate them to something of a long-term vision for the Met organization as it pertains to David Wright. He’s the one player we have right now that can reach 3000 hits, 300 home runs, win a couple of more gold gloves and enter the HOF after playing his career exclusively in a NY Met uniform. Not too shabby for a kid from Norfolk, Va. who cheered for the Mets his entire life.

This is not to say he hasn’t infuriated me over the years, but sometimes we take certain players for granted and don’t realize what we had until they’re succeeding in another town. I think Wright is hamstrung by trying to be too politically correct, probably b/c he’s too self-conscious of him public image. He needs to go to McSorley’s and get into a barroom brawl and spend a night in the tombs. Y’know, help him adjust…

Alex Gordon may have developed into a very capable major league outfielder with a stellar bat. Whether that translates to New York City is an entirely different question. I do know that David Wright has been an All Star almost every year he’s donned a Met uniform, so he passes the Big Apple test, which we sometimes overlook.

But I absolutely hear what you’re saying. Before the season, I had DW traded to the Colorado Rockies for Wilin Rosario (yeah, before everyone knew about him) and Drew Pomeranz. I thought that would’ve been a fair trade that Colorado would consider given DW’s career performance at Coors Field.

For that matter, I also had Daniel Murphy going to the Blue Jays either straight-up for Jake Marisnick or in a package deal to try to land catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud, or JP Arencibia as a fall-back position.

I feel much different about Murphy and Wright and believe they can grow into responsible elder statesman in the clubhouse for a team that will be quite competitive in the very near future. I really think patience is in order. I like the idea of acquiring someone like Alex Gordon, but remain concerned that we will undermine a component of our organizational development in the process.