Dickey To Have Surgery For Abdominal Tear, Plus What Ojeda Said

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• Hank October 3, 2012 at 12:23 am

  “Lot’s of strange things being said within the world of SNY the last 2-3 months. Dickey’s team option is for $5 million, but he gave them a $20 million dollar season. What a kick in the pants…”

  Sounds like the m.o. is to sow seeds of discord badmouthing players that they’re about to show the door. If that’s the case, then we have awful human beings leading our organization. Pitching with an injury all year and having a Cy Young season, oh and being your ace for arguably two years running?? I’d say pay the man, or trade the man, just don’t badmouth him to make yourself feel better.
  • Donal October 3, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Meh, Bobby O is making a habit of saying things that don’t jive with reality. And he obviously hasn’t been taking marching orders from management.
• JTGunner October 3, 2012 at 12:28 am

  Poor Dickey, we were fortunate to have him pass through Queens and give us three great seasons. Sad to hear he’s been in pain all season long. I pray that the front office does the right thing by him.
• kevin October 3, 2012 at 12:33 am

  This guy is a warrior! Get well and we’ll do this all over again in 2013! R.A.Diculous!
• Satish Ram October 3, 2012 at 2:17 am

  “I’f I’m the Mets there’s no way I give him an extension. By the time the Mets are relevant again, he may be a poor or odd fit.”

  …Uh. How long are you thinking it will be before the Mets will be relevant again there, Bobby O? Because by my watch, Dickey still has at least, at the very damned least, 2 good years left in him.
• Just_Da_Damaja October 3, 2012 at 4:13 am

  Bobby 0 forgot that giving him an extension w/o a no-trade clause could actually make him MORE attractive to other teams so long as the avg annual salary isnt too crazy…

  SNY – mainly Keith, Booby 0, Matt Cerrone pretty much have their value wrapped up in how much attention they get with their crazy statements…

  Keith once accused Delgado of trying to get Willie fired…
  Keith has called Reyes a bunch of names and nearly got knocked out for it…
  Bobby 0 isnt too far behind…
  Matt and the other tools at metsblog have always done dirty sh*t like that too…

  This team continues to take a dump on themselves and then blame everyone else for why they think we smell
• Alex68 October 3, 2012 at 7:38 am

  Perfect timing for this news to come out.. also, i am probably the minority here when i say trade the guy.. his value will never be as high as it is now and we’ll not be competitive again, try to see which team is brave enough to part with good prospect/s for him or see him in a package along with bay to clear up more space in terms of salary.
• Donal October 3, 2012 at 7:55 am

  It’s not like this is football and Dickey is going to sit out or he’s demanding a trade. He wants an extension to carry him past next year. He gave the Mets way more than he was compensated and he wants his next deal to reflect that. I don’t see a problem.
  • Alex68 October 3, 2012 at 7:59 am

    Extend him.. then trade him… Some players don’t like to admit it, but they play for the money. now that he had a good season he wants to get paid? ahhh, as you said, this ain’t football, if the mets pick up his option he has NO CHOICE but to play, it’s not like he’s gonna hold out or anything, at the time, the deal made sense, i mean, the guy even had a losing record in his career after all, now that he became a 20 game winner he wants an extension along with his option? Give me a break, good for him for becoming good while being a met, Bobby O is 10000% right, do not give this guy an extension, He clearly wants to get pay, well, let him get paid elsewhere, if i am sandy trade this guy NOW that his value is at its highest because he’ll never be as good as he was this year. talk about FLUKE season, yeah, this is one…
• srt October 3, 2012 at 8:16 am

  I’m a little disappointed here that the main story isn’t what RA accomplished pitching hurt all season. Is there really so much hate and discontent with all things NY Mets that fans can’t separate the good from the bad anymore? What RA accomplished this season – virtually pitching almost the entire one hurt – is part of the good. Hope someone does a piece on him and all he’s accomplished.

  I get the idea of just picking up his team friendly option and rolling with him next season or possibly trading him. That’s baseball, it’s a business first. Those running the show don’t have the same mindset us ‘fanatics’ do.

  Bobby O has nothing to do with what the Mets do or don’t do concerning Dickey. All he is is an on air analyst for SNY with an opinion. Not much different than those analysts saying Dickey should not be the CY winner b/c, after all, he only has one pitch and it’s a ‘trick’ pitch at that.

  His opinion is no different than the one Keith has expressed over and over about giving any player a long term contract, specifically when discussing DWright. In his opinion, no one should get more than a 5 year contract.

  Bottom line is they’re just opinions from those who aren’t making any decisions. Same opinions that many Met fans have – which is trade anyone with value. I wouldn’t put too much stock in it.
  • Alex68 October 3, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Lok, it’s clear you have some sort of attachment to some mets players and FO people. however, you also have to look at it from a financial POV. the guy will be 39 years old in 2014, now that he’s a 20 game winner and possibly a CY winner he wants to get paid, which is fine, nothing wrong with that, but if we’re trying to clear up money to sign FA why would we invest it on him? no offense to your guy, but even before this season he had a losing record, it’s not as if he was doing it for a long time or anything, i applaud him for the great season he had for us, but he’s looking for his best interest and you as a fan should look for the best interest of the mets. which is picking up his option, then trade him for good prospects who can help us 2014 and beyond, not keep a 39 year old knuckler who is already been view as a whiner and a moaner because of his constant chirping at the FO and about him getting paid to secure his retirements.
    • srt October 3, 2012 at 9:00 am

      ‘… it’s clear you have some sort of attachment to some mets players and FO people. however, you also have to look at it from a financial POV.

      I guess you skipped over the part of my response that said:
      ‘I get the idea of just picking up his team friendly option and rolling with him next season or possibly trading him. That’s baseball, it’s a business first.’

      I take exception to that ‘losing’ record you keep mentioning concerning Dickey.
      To me, you have to separate what he did as a conventional pitcher and what he’s done as strictly a knuckle ball pitcher. He’s not going back to conventional pitching at all so any team evaluating him should be looking strictly at his knuckle ball years.
    • srt October 3, 2012 at 9:05 am

      That and I have no idea how you translate RA Dickey as a whiner and a moaner.
      Are we talking about the same man who has pitched practically all season with an abdominal tear? The same one who didn’t miss a start and didn’t publicize the problem outside of the team?

      Whiner and moaner? Really?
      • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 9:09 am

        You know it’s funny that some on here think the FO does everything wrong and think it’s fine to focus on that in every thread however if a player voices any displeasure, as long as he is one you don’t like for one big reason, you criticize him for doing what you do.

        Obviously there is differences because Dickey is being paid by those guys so he really should keep his mouth shut to the media but I find it strange that he is being criticized most for doing it by those who do it the most.
        • srt October 3, 2012 at 9:19 am

          Yeah, they all follow the money. Every last one of them.
          Not sure that RA’s comments about securing his future (if that’s how one interprets it) is much different than Reyes putting that 100 MIL price tag out there.
          Just depends on what your agenda is as to which way you interpret all that.

          So far, Wright has been very careful in his remarks regarding his future. I’m not sure how as they must stick a microphone in his face about a half dozen times a day and ask him the same questions.

          On the pregame show last night, KB interviewed Wright. At the end he says something like: ‘I know you don’t want to answer any more of these questions but…’ and launches right into the same old, same old. To Wright’s credit, he didn’t get exasperated and gave him a good answer – one that couldn’t be picked apart one way or the other.
          • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 9:35 am

            Wright is good at what he does as the face of a franchise, plain and simple.
            • Alex68 October 3, 2012 at 10:04 am

              Wright is good at what he does as the face of a franchise, plain and simple”

              Yeap. Which is losing a lot of games, disappearing when it matter, struggling big time the past few second halves, ohhh. and the team has gotten worse as it became clear he was the “face of the Franchise”… Got it… That’s the type of Captain we need…
              • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 10:07 am

                Poor baby, some one give “Wight” cwedit again when your boy got twaded?
                • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 10:07 am

                  Swowwy, showuld have said not bwought bwack.
    • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 9:05 am

      Alex, we still have him under contract next year for 5M right? It really just depends after that on how much he wants. Dickey might be most valuable if we pick up the option and then tell him we can discuss a contract extension during the All-Star break or we will wait until after 2013 to renegotiate. If that doesn’t please him, trade him. I agree there shouldn’t be a rush to extend him after this year. No reason.

      Wright is a different beast. To me it’s either sign an extension by the Winter Meetings or send the guy packing. Baseball is in deed a business and time for both sides to shut up and decide.
      • srt October 3, 2012 at 9:21 am

        Same opinion I have. Dickey’s situation is different than Wright’s, IMO.
        Especially since they put that whole ‘we want Wright to take Seaver’s place as the team ambassador’ thing out there yesterday.
• jessep October 3, 2012 at 8:49 am

  I frankly don’t worry about Dickey’s contract during this winter either – I make Wright’s contract the main focus and let Dickey go into the year as a pending free agent and here’s why:

  Whether we as fans like it or not, the light could go off for Dickey at any moment. Don’t forget what sets him apart from a guy like Wakefield is the fastball. His knuckler is most effective when he locates his fastball and can fool hitters by changing speeds.

  His age is still a factor and I know we as fans value him a ton – nobody dislikes the guy and rightfully so.

  But I honestly feel if he hit the open market, he’d see teams are very cautious with not only his age but also his repertoire.

  I think the priority is figuring out Wright and then seeing what they can do with Dickey when the time comes. You can’t sign Dickey to more than a 2 year deal probably….

  I think there is no doubt he outperformed his contract this year, but he’s also the one who signed that contract.
  • srt October 3, 2012 at 9:02 am

    I have no doubt teams will be looking at his age, regardless of the fact that knuckle ball pitchers are noted for pitching longer in their careers.

    Bottom line is he’s still 38. His arm might have less stress on it but the rest of him is still in line with a 38 year old, no matter how good a shape he’s in – which from what I’m seeing is actually better shape then he was in 2012. Case in point is the abdominal tear he suffered early this season and he’s been pitching with. He’s no more or less in danger of those type injuries than any other baseball player.
  • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Agreed, everyone keeps talking about the arm but I keep bringing up the point that we have never seen a knuckleballer like Dickey. We have no idea the stress of a harder thrown knuckle, a much harder thrown fastball, and frankly quite a bit of weight on 38 year old legs. I couldn’t see anything more than 3/36.
• USMF October 3, 2012 at 9:53 am

  Sadly, BobbyO is right…only if the Met’s aren’t committed to winning within the next 2-3 years.

  Same with Wright. Why invest in players when you’re only going to have large commitments to declining players when you’re ready to to actually start winning?

  This year and even more next will really show what Alderson really has planned for the future of the team.

  What bothers me is, does anyone think that if this FO makes a couple of smart trades and increases spending to $115mil range that they could be competitive for a full season? If they had one more solid power bat in the line up and a couple of better arms in the pen, don’t you think that would have helped out with two of our biggest problems this year?

  I’m a believer that if the Mets kept winning this 2nd half that attendance would have kept improving instead of sinking and the extra $20mil spent on payroll would have been covered…plus with the expectations of Wheeler and Harvey next year…how many more ticket packages would they sell for 2013?
  • TRS86 October 3, 2012 at 10:02 am

    No I think there were too many holes during the year this year. As for spending an extra 15M this off-season and being able to compete? Again, we are too caught up on the total payroll instead of the effective payroll. If they really believed that a guy like BJ Upton was a guy that could put them over the top then they could get the deal done IF he wanted to play here. You could easily offer him less money this year and then double it the next when Bay comes off the book. I have placed it hear many times but lets assume he signs for 4/48. You pay him 6M for 2013, then 18M for 2014 then back to 12M for the final two years. In fact Rubin alluded to that fact yesterday. So the question is are the Mets a team that FA will put them over the top or just attempt to bring them there? If it is just an attempt to use FA to bring us to the top then 15M isn’t going to do a dang thing.
• alan October 3, 2012 at 10:17 am

  One of the things that I have always liked about the broadcasting crew and the SNY commentators were their honest evaluations of things. They could be critical when it was necessary unlike the ridiculous people over at the Yes Network. I happen to think that Dickey deserves an extension because he has performed amazingly well and as it turned out….he did so with an injury all season. Bobby Ojeda did however make a point about honoring a contract but because of the world of free agency, players hold the upper hand these days.

  In mentioning Keith having made comments about Jose Reyes, I seem to remember him applauding Jose’s physical skills and the excitement he brought to a game but also questioning his baseball smarts considering his experience. Keith was 100 % correct about that. Jose Reyes was not a smart player. He was a terrific catalyst, as exciting a player as Ricky Henderson but he often did stupid things on the field. The Mets should have traded him instead of letting him test Free Agency. In the end they weighed the risk involved because of injury with resigning him but I am sure they considered his lack of baseball smarts. Ruben Tejada’s season proved his smarts all season long. I wish that there was money to throw around and that we could have resigned Jose but under the circumstances I think we are better off now with Tejada…..

  In the meantime, I hope that our broadcasters never stop begin honest about our team. I no longer live in NY and I pay to see the games on the MLB package. There are many nights where I am forced to watch and listen to the feed from our opponents instead of Gary, Keith and Ron and let me tell you that some of these other broadcasting teams are almost clownish, They create game scenarios that are practically absurd. At times it sounds like they would wish seizures on their opponents rather than their teams losing a game.

  Nauseating to listen to!
• Metsie October 3, 2012 at 12:52 pm

  Wow all these comments and all I get from them is an awful lot of fans seems to be looking for excuses to be ok with possibly losing a potential Cy Young Pitcher….

  Let the THERAPY SESSION BEGIN!
• Joey D. October 3, 2012 at 2:38 pm

  Hi Joe,

  I was surprised about the Ojeda comments as well until remembering how Gary Cohen discussed the same possibiilites and how such a trade could actually help the Mets in the long term. It makes me wonder if the front office is already using their television spokespeople to help change the attitude of the fan base by emphasizing only one side of an argument. Throughout the season they’ve been spinning the issue of Jose leaving the Mets without mentioning the front office never made a contract offer.

  Ah, hoping the power of spin will influence the human subsconscious into buying tickets next season. Gotta admire the effort.