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2012
Decision 2012: Who Votes For An 8 Year, $147 Million Dollar Deal For Wright?
An article by 
Joel Sherman of the New York Post lays it all out on the line today. He speculates that to keep Wright the Mets will have to give him an eight-year, $143 million dollar deal which includes the option year. Basically, it’s a seven year, $127 million extension on top of his $16 million option year for 2013.
The consensus among the executives spoken to is that Mets ownership sees this — at least partially — as a public-relations signing as much as a baseball one. As one NL official said, “If they can’t sign their best player after letting Jose Reyes go, what are they telling their fans? They might be damning themselves to bad crowds and bad press for quite a while.”
In canvassing the officials, the terms that came up most often was about seven years at $127 million. Wright’s buddy, Washington’s Ryan Zimmerman, received a six-year, $100 million extension last spring that when combined with the two remaining seasons left on his old contract was worth $126 million over eight seasons. Thus, Wright would top Zimmerman both in total worth of contract and also average annual value, which would make him second ever among third basemen in both categories to the 10-year, $275 million extension Rodriguez signed with the Yankees.
Also, Wright is due $16 million on a 2013 option. The Mets have until five days after the World Series to trigger that option. If they can finalize the extension before then and add the option, under this scenario, Wright’s total future package would be worth $143 million over eight seasons.
Why is that important? Because it would make Wright the highest-paid Met in history in total package, topping the $137.5 million that Johan Santana received.
The officials said they thought topping Zimmerman and Santana would be benchmarks important to Wright and his representatives.
I’ve mentioned such numbers before, but usually get hit with comments saying “no way” or “he won’t get anything close to that” of “what are those numbers based on”. Now these numbers are what you always hear from everyone including rival GM’s, MLB executives, and beat writers from the Mets and also other teams.
When I said he would get more than Ryan Zimmerman, I was told “no way, Zimmerman is better and younger”. I kept biting my tongue and just waited until everyone else caught up with reality and how baseball economics actually works. Salaries never go down they only go up, and when you are a top five player at your position they go up exponentially.
You already know my feelings on this.
Wright’s best season was in 2008 and with a deal like this he will be 37 years old in the final year. However, I expect the Mets will do everything possible to get something done, even if it means overpaying him and giving him the second generation contract which is exactly what Omar Minaya would have done.
Alderson will in fact have given a player the biggest contract in franchise history and he’d be doing it on a player who will be 31 when the new deal kicks in, not 28 like Beltran or 29 like Santana.
I believe three years from now, the Mets will be spelling the word “albatross” like this: W-R-I-G-H-T.
Yesterday, Mets owner Fred Wilpon unwittingly referred to Sandy Alderson as the face of this franchise. At the time I thought it was funny, I thought it was preposterous, but I believed it to be true and labeled him as such over a year ago. If Alderson does sign Wright to a monster deal like this one, he will clinch the title of face of the franchise because this contract will be his defining moment, his downfall, and part of the mess his replacement will get charged with cleaning up. By now Mets fans know the routine. You see, I told you nothing has changed.
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I vote yes emphatically yes. I read 7 years total but even at 8 his last year of the deal he will be 37 and it will average about 18 million per season. The last year of the current deal is at 16 so that would be a two million dollar raise and lock him up until 2020. There should not be a no trade except 10 and 5 rights. I would rather see 6 but I say do whatever is necessary. I know his best year has been 08 but he has made significant adjustments last year to reemerge as one heck of a player. Santana is coming off the books when the deal starts and its cheaper so that shouldn’t stop things. Not to mention this financial crisis isn’t going to last forever.
Yes. Next question.
Haha, who will be the next GM to clean up the mess Alderson left behind? That won’t go over well with his legion of Sabermaniacs
Anyway this will be the absolute WRONG way to go for this franchise if you are rebuilding and will guarantee the Mets more of the same garbage for the next several years especially if Wright is signed for 7 more years of numbers padding, not hustling, mediocre fielding, and usually not coming through when you need him. I added “usually” because he did an okay job this year with a few big hits, for a lousy club under no pressure. Add to that the possibility of the actual pieces of the future being traded and you have the makings of a colossal and devastating turn of events that will hamper this organization for many years down the road if they take this route
Bay, I am confused I thought you followed the mind set of paying to get the best talent on the team. Wright is one of the best 3rd basemen in the game why wouldn’t you want him on the team? I would think resigning Wright would be looked upon as a step in the right direction as far as locking up our good players instead of cheaping out and letting them walk. I’m not trying to be sarcastic or pick a fight I just don’t understand your position.
“mediocre fielding”? The only thing golden about Wright is his fielding. You know I am a big advocate of no extension. Yes in the past Wright had throwing issues. In 2011 they were blaming his back for erratic fielding. I did not believe it : I thought it was an other excuse. But 2012 I never cossistently seen such superb fielding. Yes knock Wright as I do for non-clutch but please not on his fielding which will be irreplaceable if he is indeed traded for prospects which I advocate.
This was by far the best year defensively he ever had, you heard them say that almost on a nightly basis on TV, especially Keith and who knows? Maybe it was Chip Hale that was responsible for Wright digression in fielding but he wasn’t anything special before that either. Doesn’t change a thing. Also if you move Ike and keep Wright who’s gonna save all those bad throws?
Move Wright and keep Ike. That is the way to go. For Metsie and Joey D: If 135 M payroll keep Wright but have a short window to compete against Nats and Braves.
I don’t even have energy to be angry anymore.
I don’t buy signing Wright shows that the Mets financial issues are behind them. They’re committed to being a mid-market team in probably the largest baseball market in the world. They also own their own station, which people say hasn’t been a cash cow, but I bet it will turn soon just because outside networks keeps offering up ridiculous sums to broadcast games (see Anaheim, Texas, etc.). Not to mention, this money kicks in when Santana and Bay’s $50MM is off the books. Our financial situation hasn’t shifted, we’re just in the process of moving the money around and changing the albatross from Santana-Bay to David Wright.
We have a mid-market payroll for a team in baseball’s largest market who own their own station. And now we’re committed to spending stupidly. Awesome.
My thing is this, if your going to give him that kind of contract, surround him with players that will bring the team back to contention. I believe if he is the “man” but “not the man” so to speak, and has the proper support, he will be productive through the life of the contract. When he had Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, & others he was at his best. Unfortunately, they claim they will not be pursuing “high impact” players on the market this off season. I just want to see a 10 year stint where they can be in the WS 3 or 4 times and in the playoffs regularly, they are due, we are due!
That was also four years ago. There is a difference between being 25 and 29 in many instances.
I will agree with you on one thing, this contract will define Alderson, but not in the way you think. I believe that he Wright be surrounded by future stars like Nimmo and Cecchini and a rotation with aces like Wheeler, Harvey, Fulmer and Montero. Flores will be a perennial MVP candidate, and the Mets will be competing for first place every year beginning in 2014 and that Wright will be a part of at least one if not two world series championships as he locks in his hall of fame career in the next eight years.
Your optimism is refreshing to see Patrick. My fondest wish would be to see things turn out that way for our team. Lets Go Mets!
It is good to be optimistic and I believe the Mets farm system is getting better. However, to say that all of those will produce is a bit far fetched. Harvey, for all the good we witnessed, has 10 big league starts. Wheeler has yet to throw a big league pitch and the others are at lower levels. (except Flores). A lot can happen between rookie ball and NYC. Remember, there are legions of prospects who dont make it past AA even though they are highly thought of. That is why the numbers game is so important. The more down there, the better the chance that some talent does make it to NYC.
As for Flores, he is an interesting case but still no guarantee. He was highly touted, went to crap, and then raised his stock a great deal this year. Hopefully we are seeing a new trend upward. His numbers this year will be astounding (if in AAA) but we must remember it is Vegas.
Contrary to what most fans believe, the Mets do have some pieces to build around. And there is talent starting to emerge. Will it translate into big league success, time will tell. The Mets actually might not be that far away if these guys progress. Nevertheless, generation K showed us how quickly things can unravel also.
Hell NO!
Question 1: Do you think another team can match that contract ?
Question 2: Does David Wright value winning? If so…do you think he will stay here for more money ?
Question 3: How untrade-able will david wright be after he signs this contract?
Untradable? Well 18 mil a year for Wright isn’t bad. If they decided to move him he could be moved for that.
K-Rod’s 17 mil option for 1 year was considered an albatross of A-Rod proportions by met fans
3 years from now If David Wright at age 34 is stinking up the joint in 2016…he will have 5 more 18 mil seasons ahead of him
that contract potentially takes him to age 39 or 40……with no DH
Reyes’s seemingly disastrous albatross of a contract takes him to age 34
6 year deal…he signed it at age 28
this is the double-standard that drives logical met fans crazy…
David Wright Stans are willing to go 18 years with David Wright til he turns 39-40…
but not 17.5 with Reyes til he turns 34
Yes letting Reyes go was dumb….
DO we do dumb thigs again for the same dumb reasons in the hope TWO WRONGS will make one Wright?
I mean I get it people are upset Reyes is gone (I am too!) but the arguments you would make for extending Reyes apply just as much to Wright!
Is this just revenge? Wright sucks and needs to ge because some said Reyes Sucks and needs to go?
Is this how we met fans are basing our desired Roster moves on now?
Lets continue down this path and take to it’s logical conclusion…
Reyes wasn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4 years let him go…A year later…
Wright isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Davis isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Tejada isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Murphy isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Niese isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Harvey isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Wheeler isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Flores isn’t enough to make us winners in the next 4-5 years let him go…A year later…
Josh Thoe leads the team in Batting Average!
1. other teams could match that easily. And these are guys from other teams talking about what Wright’s worth is. Not Wright’s camp throwing numbers out.
2. I think he does value winning which might be why he decides not to stay. And I don’t see the Mets offering more than other teams would…so I don’t think taking more money to stay with a bad team will be an issue.
3. I don’t see this making him untradeable. But he will have 10/5 rights in a couple years which gives him veto power on any deal….so that could make it harder to swing a deal.
The only way I’d go near that contract is if the last two-three years are options.
Yes, give him that money and that contract , make him a met for life . Thats a No Brainer
Kevin Burkhard just said on WFAN with Evan Roberts that part of the decision in signing Wright is going to be marketing/public relations-related basically because the front office will take a huge hit with the fan base if they don’t sign him. The Mets have a certain budget for marketing and Wright’s contract would be part of that budget as well as regarded as a player move too.
Winning? Who the hell cares about that.
i think everyone cares about winning bay and if the mets can pay some of that contract from a “marketing” source , then thats ok or should they instaed order more mets trailers or merchandise ??? Be realistic for one moment , signing wright is a must and its not that we give an average player that money , he is not an average player .
and yeah he is the face of the franchise, so why not treating him like that , every ( winner ) team does so right ?
King Albert anf Prince Fielder
Wasn’t signing big contracts to to appease the fan base what got Omar in trouble and one of the major problems Fred has had over the years?
It was part of Omar’s trouble but Wright is not Castillo Perez, or Bay. He is our guy and we know what to expect in him.
Nothing you can say,
Can tear me away,
From my guy.
Nothing you could do,
‘Cause I’m stuck like glue,
To my guy.
I’m sticking to my guy,
Like a stamp to a letter,
Like birds of a feather,
We, stick together,
I can tell you from the start,
I can’t be torn apart from my guy
Yes it was. Big contracts given to aging (or over the hill) players is what got the Mets in this bind.
Burkhardt is right and Wright will be a Met until the year 2020.
LMAO…..Yeah, let’s sign a guy who has never won anything, is a known CHOKE ARTIST and was front and center as one of the biggest non-performers in the 2006 Playoffs and the last week of the 2008 season.
He is a DIMINISHING asset and should have his option picked up for the purposes of trading him.
You finished next to last with him, so you can finish next to last WITHOUT him. You reserve big money star contracts because a player is….a big money star player..duh!
Wright is an ANGLO who caters to off the field marketing for the Met fan base who ownership believes needs their anglo star to associate the team with.
Lol, wonder who this is, back to destroy tbe site.
LMFAO @ the chat box closed down..ROFL! #Laughable
you guys are like zombies , lol, pathetic
Baseball wise, this is a bad deal. From a franchise perspective, it is almost a must deal. I dont think the Wilpon’s have the intestinal fortitude to withstand the onslaught of negativity which will come from not extending Wright. We see the fans on this site already acting like Wright must be signed. They are pure emotion and little sense.
Here are the facts. A deal that carries Wright to 37 will be a bad deal. Statistically, 7 and 8 year deals dont work out. Almost all of them are busts in one way or another. Wright is going to be 30 this year. Skills diminish after 30 in the post steroid era. Those who are still excelling (look across town) in the late 30s were in baseball before 2000 when HGH and other substances were the norm. Even if someone wasnt a roid taker, HGH was legal and not banned. To think that everyone wasnt on it is insane and it is showing up in later years. Wright played most of his career with testing hence was not afforded the luxury of the gogo juice (at least legally).
Wright is also a few years removed from consistent high level production. He did well in 2012 but wasnt exactly stellar. He is a .300/20/90 guy at this point in his career. Is that worth $140M? Absolutely not. The best move for the Mets would be to trade him for talent that will help in the next couple of years. Of course, this will create a huge onslaught and false claims the Wilpons are cheap (people fail to remember the money spent on salaries in the last 6 years with nothing to show for it). Not spending money on Wright is a sound baseball decision because the odds are that he will not continue this pace throughout that contract.
I would hope the organization is strong and stands by $100M for 5 years. Give him $20M a year which carries him up to 35. Even if the last year or two his performance is down, the organization can live with that. Beyond that, one is creating another situation with Bay/Santana. And all the fans screaming for the Mets to give Wright his money seem to forget about how contracts can handcuff an organization. If you are going to yell for Wright to get signed, then talking about Bay etal is removed because it could be the same situation (dont say no way because nobody can tell what will happen to a player).
The Wilpon’s ought to take the cheap claim on this one and offer 5/$100M because it is the proper contract. If they want to add a team option for a 6 at even $25M, fine. But to do the numbers mentioned in this article is insane no matter how much Wright is beloved. No one player is bigger than any organization.
Unfortunately, I dont see the Wilpons doing this and I see the checkbook coming out for this one.
the problem is this
the mets cant offer a contract that another team absolutely can not match
The Giants, Phils, Baltimore, Dodgers, Angels, Yankees all can match that contract..and all offer much more stable organizations with a track record for winning.
Loyalty is a 2 way street…David sees the Mets throw Reyes down the river…treat Beltran like trash, spread rumors and lies about Ike…he knows he is next in terms of folks with a bullseye on their back
The Wilpons have time and time again, played with the media and thrown players under the bus.
Why on earth would David sign here ?
‘I would hope the organization is strong and stands by $100M for 5 year.’
Not happening. Not if they’re serious about the statement of making Wright a Met for life and taking over as ‘ambassador’ for Tom Seaver.
With Wright it’s either going to be in for a penny, in for a pound…or trade him.
Five years isn’t going to get it done and I’m sure they knew that going in.
First off this deal will not define Alderson because if Sandy makes the deal it will be under duress. He doesn’t WANT to re-sign Wright he simply has to because he knows Attendance/Revenue will tank if he doesn’t and that will wipe out all the savings he has made the last two years! The team will be in revenue ruin with no one left to bail them out of it!
If you fancy yourself as someone who is concerned about financials well you lose more money and dig a deeper financial hole by not signing him that you do by signing him.
Instead of worrying what MIGHT happen 4 or 5 years down the line think about the financal and revenue ramifications of letting Wright go….RIGHT NOW!
You will save just 16 Million by doing so and even if we wanted to count unearned money just 18 Mil a year. But lose about $20-30 Million more attendance and concession revenue!
Lets say for argument sake Wright declines in year 5 of that deal…Is it such a burden to carry Wright for 3 years at 18M per? Is he declined enough that he is untradeable?
And who can say Wright will definitly decline to the point of being as burden?
Is Jeter a Burden? He’s 38!
All of this albatross talk revolves around the assumption Wright will decline the way Bay did…
Yet he has slightly better numbers than Jeter without even a 10th of the help Jeter has!
No matter where you think the team should go, Money, Financials or Baseball, Star Power in the end it is almost an imperative to extend Wright at this point in time.
Whatever money you think your saving in 5 years will evaporate next year and the year after right up until the date you think Wright will become that albatross. You will lose a lot more money, hurt the financial situation even worse than it is, Kill attendance over something that MIGHT happen in 5 years and ensure it happens in Year 1 instead! You won’t be able to spend those savings on another player because the attendance will decline to offset whatever it is you were going to spend.
So all of you who cite “Business” and “Financials” should be insisting on resigning Wright. and those worried about the financials of the future should be too!
Those who are purely interested in the baseball should not be looking 5 years down the line because by then (or before then) You might just find the guy to replace Wright in the Lineup and can then trade Wright before that decline ever happens!
And even if it happens next year it’s still less of a decline in revenue that voluntarily losing Wright’s production due to cheapness.
Is Wright worth that much? Well what player ever really is worth it?
What numbers do you have to have to warrant a near 20 Mil Paycheck?
In the end Wright if signed to those numbers would be making less than Jason Werth!
He didn’t appear to be a burden on Washington or hurt their competitive chances despite being less than Wright was….
Stop worrying about the future because the future changes in ways you can’t possibly plan for! Plan for whats best for right now and try to do it in a way that doesn’t mortgage the future but thats the only part of the future that you should worry about.
When you look at it that way and see no matter what way you go (Sign/Trade) the only choice is WHEN do you want to deal with that revenue/attendance/financial problem….
Now or 4-6 Years from now!
I say even if he declines next year or two, thats one or two more years without that problem than it would be if you just pack him off for kids.
So do you want to wreck the team financials now or 5 years from now?
Thats the choice we (and Sandy) is presented with regarding Wright!
METSIE- They need to let that kid go. Even if the Mets were allowed to have a 150K payroll, Wright CANNOT be the #3 #4 or #5 hitter of a playoff contender. He is a choke. When games are decided, Wright is worthless.
I feel sorry for the team who showers him with some ridiculous contract.
Wright’s not a winner. That’s the bottom line.
well, if he were a yankee from the beginning of his career, he would be a winner huh??? jeez
If Wright were a Yankee, he never sniffs the #3 #4 or #5 slots in their batting order. The dude is a choke artist.
seeing your forumname, you sure have some problems letting it go huh??? i think its not about wright for you , not even close
If Wright were a Yankee he would be a 30 homer guy too hitting in the HR friendly confines of Yankee Stadium!
It added close to 20 HRs to Granderson’s numbers who broke 30 HRs only once before he got there!
So be careful when you compare Met performance to Yankee performance!
As for the chokes Yankees have carried A-Rod for years and it hasn’t seemed to hurt their ability to spend to get what they need either.
i hear you !!!!
haters have to see the fact that he is a .300 hitter , can hit 20-30 HRs for sure for the next 5 years MINIMUM AND , yeah, he plays 3B !!!
And on a yankee roster he would probably reach 100 RBIs with ease , you cannot see a players rbi´s without mention the team he plays for / in ….
i mean is there even one guy out there who honestly can say Cabrera had that much RBI´s on the 2012 mets team ???? please
Angelo it’s really quite simple and all this talk of other team/player comparisons is moot…
It should come down to this:
Is Wright holding this team back? Answer NO!
Is Wright the worst Player on our team? Answer NO!
Is Wright the Best player on this team? Answer Well you have to say yes just going by the numbers
That means Wright is not something that needs to be gotten rid of and if the numbers or performance suggests to them he is a problem he is at minimum the LEAST of our problems!
I don’t care what he does compared to other 3Bs or what he might be on the importance scale to someone else….
It comes down to he is our BEST player (like that or not) and it’s just dumb to constantly replace your BEST player when there are far easier moves and replacements to improve the rest of the team that makes what Wright does much less important!
Wright shouldn’t have to carry the team, No player should!
If Wright isn’t good enough being the best performer on the roster than fix everyone else until Wright is the worst performer and then deal with him.
If you improve all the guys who don’t do as much as Wright does then what Wright does really won’t matter much will it?
What Playoff team do you think your going to have without Wright?
I mean really to say the guy is not god enough for a team you don’t have is pretty damn rediculous!
If we had a TRUE playoff contender Wright wouldn’t HAVE to be the #3, 4 or 5 Hitter now would he?
Let Wright go and you don’t have ANYONE who can hit there either so what exactly do you think your accomplishing?
And let him go you will have no money to BUY someone to put there either thats the point I was making!
I’d probably only do this if the last two year weren’t guaranteed (team/Vesting option)
There was a very good article on metsblog yesterday explaining aldersons aversion to these second generation contracts. There are plenty of reasons to avoid these kind of deals and I have been one of those who thinks it will be a bad deal in the end. From pure baseball production standpoint it does not make sense but there are intangables too. Marketing has already been mentioned. How about leadership? I have read many times this year young players saying this is David Wrights team. He is a leader on the field and off. If you want to bring in a lot of young players they need a leader to follow. btw we are all sure wright wants to come back. He has said repeatedly he wants to win. SA is going to have to convince him that they have a plan to win and are going to stick to it. If he is let go you can take that as a sign that david is not sold the mets are going to be contenders anytime soon.
Get out of here with that nonsense. Who cares what teammates and coaches say about Wright. If the almighty Bayonne Mets Fan says Wright is no leader….he is no leader!!
he led by default simply because nobody else was left. Where were you every other season when the same story happens every year in that we always here maybe this is the season David Wright leads, becomes the captain, etc all that NONSENSE. And every year the same thing happens – the players gravitate towards someone else. Last year Wright was anointed the leader and in no time we were reading how all the players would always surround Beltran and look to him for leadership. Wright was not the leader during the Delgado era either.
You become leader by the way you play, by example, not simply because a couple of fans like your dimples. All David Wright had going for him this year was that everybody else was gone so he was kind of ……i don’t know what it was….but he was the “face” this year cuz nobody else was here. Did you see him lead this year? What did he do to lead? Tank like everybody else?
He plays hurt, plays well, doesn’t duck the media when things go poorly. He kept Ike from getting ejected on a couple occasions. Not every leader has to be rah rah and vocal….but if “vocal” is your thing he also battled TC asking to stay in the game and take the HBP after Braun was hit.
This year isn’t the first time young (and even older) players talked about Wright being a “leader”. Most of the leadership stuff isn’t stuff fans necessarily see anyway, so I value the opinions of teammates/managers moreso than that of some random stat hating guy on the internet.
And yes Beltran was a leader too. Team’s can have more than one leader.
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee don’t extend wright… It’s funny how all of us wanted Reyes and they didn’t try, we don’t want wright ( well the logical fans, wanting to rebuild right fan base, and the tired of non clutchness fans) and they doing everything in their power to resign him.
LOL Please define “Logical” or us here….
Because if the guy who led the team in RBI is UNCLUTCH what the hell does that make the rest of the team?
And why should the RBI leader be sent away before the rest?
Haha you have a strange definition of “logical”.
And if you really care about the “clutch” nonsense why were you so desperate for the team to retain Reyes?
It’s always better to trade a player a year too soon than a year too late. I think that’s the same for free agents. Even the Yankees are struggling under the weight of Arod’s long term deal.
Yes they are struggling NOW to carry his contract….
But take off the one year blinders and you see carrying that contract probably got them a few World Series wins and a majority of thier playoff appearances.
Contracts should be judged on the WHOLE of the contract not just one Myopic year that dismisses all the good years that contract got you!
Here’s what I dont get. Alderson said there was going to be significant changes. How does that happen if you bring back Wright? Is replacing Torres, Young and Shoppach significant? I was expecting something big and bold.
letting wright go is no sign of improvement whatsoever . FOR WHAT ? You cannot fill these holes in a year , and please let me alone with prospects …. most of them will stay exactly that, a prospect ….
Alderson was just feeding you a line of Bull….
Even if he trades Wright the on;y significant change that has is someone else plays 3B next year it does nothing for the OF or anyplace else because any deal is likely for kids that won’t be on the MLB roster for another 2 years!
If you think changing one position is significant change then get it by replacing one of the OF positions who did nothing to lead the team in RBI!
Wright – with all due respect to Josh Hamilton – is the best free agent position player over the next couple of years.
He’s the best position player ever developed by this franchise.
He only turns 30 in December and is coming off his best season since 2008.
There is no indication that his body won’t be able to handle the grind of Baseball. His injuries have been of freak variety.
All in all, unless Wright is looking for a Votto / Fielder / Pujols type cotract ( which could actually be justified considering the positional differences between 3b and 1bmen), Wright absolutely needs to stay if the Mets intend to field a contender prior to 2016.
Wright also is superior to Ryan Zimmerman.
All in all, a 7-years, 128 million sort of extension beyond seems absolutely reasonable and is less than I’d expect. A 4.0 to 6.0 WAR player like Wright ( or consistent .370+ OBP type) can certainly expect to get 20+ million per year.
If Wright is hitting with power and driving in runs than all those other stupid, silly numbers like to bring up mean nothing. The LEAST thing I care about is his OBP. He can have an OBP of 370 and be hitting like a leadoff hitter with no power and very little RBI (which i know you’re stupid enough to not care about when without it all those OBP guys are left standing on base)
If you have me 30/90-100 from Wright. I’m sure the rest of those numbers will be to your liking and will have earned his money (statistically at least even though he’s NO leader, a stat padder, and SOFT as can be.
If he gives you 18 HR/70 RBI (full season). That is not what a team should pay 128 million for.
And there you are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars while NOT mentioning any power numbers, just OBP and WAR.
You may as well sign the guy sight unseen.
Yep…thats the first thing I think of too when I think about a guy who played through a fracture in his back, played with a fractured finger, wanted to play right after suffering a concussion, was speculated to play through some other injuries as well….soft as can be.
love it
Soft in his game. I knew someone would come back with something like that. I know he played almost everyday and played through some injuries, so have other players but he’s a lousy competitor.
I don’t think Wright has ever taken a fielder out on the bases or HP in his LIFE, and if he did he probably apologized for it. The guy is talented at hitting major league pitching but he’s SOFT when it comes to competition. Every time i look at one of his contemporaries I wish he had their attitude, their hardnose play. Oh, and he’s certainly no leader either. I don’t care what his “statistics” are but the guy is SOFT and I would not waste hundred of millions of dollars for his style of competition. NEVER!
Good thing you aren’t the one that needs to invest in Wright. We have smarter people in charge.
And I’ve seen Wright take out infielders before.
no we do not have smarter people in charge. These guys are not smart at all, a Harvard education does not translate to baseball smarts. The Unibomber went to Harvard so that means he would know what to do to run a ballclub? I can think of a few people here starting with the site admin that would BLOW away Alderson and company – even if it meant they also wanted to sign Wright at least I know the decision would be made by smart baseball people who WANT TO WIN. Alderson has been making disgustingly BAD decisions and wasting what little resources this team has since day one AND in my opinion a lot of his decisions have cost the franchise even MORE money.
These guys are NOT smart in the least bit. Especially when you’re on TV and asked why the team tanked in the 2nd half and right away you pull out a piece of paper and point to PPPA.
This guy is not smart at all and let’s add he’s lousy at public relations and a terrible interview as well. And like Joe D said Alderson and company frustrated a lot of other baseball execs at the last meetings with his indecisiveness. That’s bad business if you can’t even engage with your contemporaries.
So if there’s one thing these guys are is NOT smart.
When I said “smarter”…I just meant smarter than you. So yes you are right….one does not actually have to be “smart” in order to be smarter than Bayonne Mets Fan
LOL!
I visit here occasionally, and it never ceases to amaze me how Bayonne can spend SO much time at a site with people SO much smarter than he is, yet still understand so little and be such a proud and unabashed spewer of aggressive ignorance.
RT, thanks for the laugh, and for tersely showing that you understand quite well that arguing with Bayonne is akin to debating an infantile and ignorant wall. Not a brick wall mind you, as Bayonne is far too “soft” to be made of brick. In all ways.
Hey I knew a guy who actually PLAYED through a concussion for 6 weeks when he cracked his face against Mike Camerons diving for a ball
then he played through a bone bruise that almost became a career ending injury…
and even when he was coming back, he still retaliated against the phils when they upended Tejada…
and after Jimmy Rollins was talking smack, he was the only met who publicly stood up for the team ( however corny it was )
and you know what…he was talked down for almost the entire time he was here….
as soon as he leaves NY….he is appreciated for the dominant player he always was…
i wonder who that could be…
hmmmmm
A guy that the vast majority of fans really liked and appreciated (with a smaller group that held a grudge).
I’d do it.
Bayonne, who cares what Joe D said? Do you have your own opinion or do you just wait for the site’s administrator to post his and then duplicate it?
Honestly, I think anyone who blames anybody other than the owners of this team for its losing the past two years is a total and complete idiot.
Once Beltran, Perez, Castillo, and K-Rod’s contracts were finished after 2011, this team SHOULD have reinvested at least 30 of the 48 MILLION that came off the books. That turns this team into at least a wild card team. However, ownership’s complete disaster of their finances has made this team a mid market loser. Yet, everyone blames the guy whose task IS ONLY to save the owners from losing the team. Not from saving the team from losing.
Has Alderson lied? Sure, because the WILPONS need as much revenue as possible. He must say they’re trying to compete or else nobody would show up. If Santana and Bay were under contract for TWO more years, then Wright would be as good as gone. They would never be able to keep him because the owners could never afford him.
Other teams like the Angels, Dodgers, and Yankees are able to afford any player they want because of their TV revenue. Guess what? SNY is a CASH cow that has been looted of all it’s money and borrowed against so much that all it’s profits go towards paying ownership’s debts instead of for players who could make this team a winner in just one off season. Yet, Sandy’s head gets called for.
There must be another agenda. There has to be a specific reason why the GM is questioned for this teams success instead of the owners when the payroll is stuck between 90 & 100 million. If Sandy could spend freely then sure, he’s open for all criticism. But when you are expected to slash fifty million in payroll by OWNERSHIP, how the heck can you blame him?
No, I don’t love the guy, but how is this his fault? Building one crappy bullpen does not make a whole team. Slashing one third of its payroll has a lot more to do with it. Having to argue over signing the face of the franchise, like it should even be a question for a NY team, has a lot more to do with it. Does anyone think the Yankee’s front office ever had to wonder wether to cut loose ANY of their homegrown stars? No, because in NY, it should never happen. Brian Cashman would never be in that position when a 31 yr old homegrown star is up for free agency.
This entire franchise is screwed for at least one more year because of Ownership, not Alderson. And we all better pray that none of the you g pitchers fail miserably or go down to injury because ownership certainly isn’t going to fork over one red cent over 100 million in 2014 to fix any leaks.
*applauds*
This, in a nutshell.
Okay got it,
The only way to compete is to have enough money and buy players. That’s the short version of what you said. So you’re full of crap right there and this is all about protecting Alderson and the sabermetric way of thinking for you guys.
Your boy Sandy inherited enough talent to try and make trades, spend wisely, and try to compete in order to make money. Gotta make do when the finances are slim and he’s not even good at doing that. And not only that there’s THREE OF THEM! Alderson, Depo, & Ricciardi so that’s THREE general managers that can’t put their g-damned heads together and try and be more vigilante to compete and creative in players moves from DAY ONE.
And his use of sabermetrics was supposed to compensate for the low budget. He failed.
I don’t like the owners either but for some additional reasons. They actually interviewed this guy, liked the line of bullcrap he sold them and I don’t know how he did it with his unique combination of arrogance and ability to put people to sleep, he obsession with sabermetrics in actually guiding his decision making and hired this guy to run a Major League ballclub. Not to mention to installing a organizationally wide rule of trying to make a professional hitter abandon what got them there and adapt to a uniform approach at the plate. You just can’t do it nor should you do it. Alderson wasn’t talked into this by Hudgsen, this was Alerson’s idea.
Alderson was the wrong guy to hire.
You know how you guys always say Castillo, Bay, & Perez were bad signings by Omar? How Roberto Alomar and Mo Vaughn were bad signings by Phillips?
Well Sandy Alderson was a bad signing by the Wilpons.
This
In a Nutshell
Except the Wilpons didn’t hire Alderson. Bud did.
This.
+1
Being recommended doesn’t mean the Commissioner hired him. The Commissioner did not overule the Mets owners and force his will.
And while you’re at it have you found any official information that states that Omar Minaya advised Steve Phillips in the Piazza deal? Fonzie tried to defend you by thinking he read it in a book and he thought that book was moneyball but it was not there either. He thought wrong.
We’re all still waiting AND Bud Selig did not force Fred Wilpon to hire Sandy Alderson. He can suggest it to either party, but he can’t force it. He was recommended.
Bud Selig did not hire Sandy Alderson. The Wilpons did.
You don’t pay attention. I never said it was in Moneyball. Why would you assume that? Where’s your head? I explicitly told you where I heard it. Anyone who was listening that day heard the same thing. If you still haven’t found it yet, that’s on you.
And if you think the Wilpons had free will in who to hire as GM, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Bayonne Mets Fan October 28, 2012 at 12:34 am
“Fonzie tried to defend you by thinking he read it in a book and he thought that book was moneyball”
XtreemIcon October 28, 2012 at 12:37 am
“You don’t pay attention. I never said it was in Moneyball. Why would you assume that? Where’s your head? I explicitly told you where I heard it.”
That’s self explanatory so no explanation needed by me. Just another huge embarrassment for this loser.
XtreemIcon October 28, 2012 at 12:37 am
” I explicitly told you where I heard it. Anyone who was listening that day heard the same thing. If you still haven’t found it yet, that’s on you.”
Yeah you said you heard Phillips say that during an interview with Mike Francesa and that it was discussed on this very site. You can copy and paste your own words if you were confident but you’re not – you’re telling me it’s on me after clearly stated here and in the shoutbox in recent days (yes it still exists) that i’ve searched google for it, using the appropriate commands as well.
And nothing.
Please support your claims with evidence. You guys are evidence junkies, right?
“Yeah you said you heard Phillips say that during an interview with Mike Francesa”
“i’ve searched google for it, using the appropriate commands as well.”
There it is, another huge embarrassment for this guy who can’t read, apparently.
And did it ever occur to you that if Fonzie heard of it as well then maybe it’s actually true? That corroboration from another party lends creedence to the claim? Keep searching. You’re supposedly a big computer guy. I have faith in you.
‘I’d have the best platoon catching tandem in the history of baseball,” General Manager Steve Phillips said with a laugh before the Mets and Giants began a three-game series tonight. ”But I don’t see a fit for us. For me to give up chips to get a player for the rest of this year who duplicates — when healthy — one of our strengths, it really doesn’t make sense to do anything like that.”
Phillips was referring to the All-Star catcher he already has — Todd Hundley, whose progress from elbow surgery continues to accelerate. ”We’ve got arguably one of the top three catchers in baseball ourselves,” Phillips said.
Steve Phillips on trading for Mike Piazza, New York Times, May 16, 1998
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/16/sports/baseball-mets-weigh-joining-the-chase-for-piazza.html
6 days before the trade was executed Steve Phillips on record was AGAINST trading for Mike Piazza…
“For me, Omar wasn’t just a great scouting eye, he was my contrarian,” Phillips says. “You’d get plenty of conventional wisdom from other people, but Omar would make you think about weird ideas. But some of them I came around to.”
Steve Phillips, New York Times October 2004
There is a reason no other team would touch Stevie with a 10 foot pole and Omar was sought after by a half-dozen clubs as soon as Sandy came on board
Yeah i know Omar was a very good Assistant GM and was considered a rising star in the executive ranks back then, I remember it very clearly.
But where did Omar advise Steve Phillips on the Piazza deal?
- You provided a quote from Steve Phillips about Omar in 2004 – which is a correct quote, no argument
- The Piazza trade was in 1998
- Where is the connection?
Just.Da – you’re angry at me and jumped into one situation and decided to make it an Omar vs. Phillips deal. And this is not about that. You just jumped in because of your extreme racial bias. That’s all. This was your opportunity.
And you struck out. Again.
And Xtreem struck out. Again.
Strikeouts do matter.
LOL
so lets ignore the quotes Steve Phillips had 6 days prior to the trade, in which he said he didnt want Piazza b/c they already were paying for an All-Star Catcher in Hundley
Todd Hundley was an ALL-Star in 1996, sets the record for HR by a Catcher
Todd Hundley has been signed to a 4 year 20 mil contract
Todd Hundley was an ALL-Star in 1997, year 1 of his new deal
1998 – Todd Hundley, who at this point was one of the greatest home-grown met prospects gets injured…but STILL is the HIGHEST PAID CATCHER in BASEBALL for the next 3 years
Mike Piazza becomes available
Steve Phillips on RECORD says that they dont have a spot for Mike P, and he isnt worth giving up top prospects for
Do you really think Steve Phillips wanted to do this trade ?
And knowing everything we know about the wilpons and their propensity to not pay 2 people top dollar to do the same thing, I can see how they were not in favor of paying 2 guys to be the highest paid catchers in baseball at the same time
Being that Omar has time and time again, gone for the big fish….going after Piazza would fall in line with everything he has done in his career.
Steve Phillips said he was against the Mets signing Beltran…and went on a rant in 2009 saying how Beltran was over-rated.
At the time Steve did this, Beltran was hitting .367 with power and on pace to get 30 SB
Steve’s analytical skills are so horrifically bad that OTHER writers were bashing him for it
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/05/19/carlos.beltran/index.html
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090518&content_id=1501982&oid=36018&vkey=31
you have been desperately bad in your feeble attempt to defend a man that no one would hire ever
not as a GM
not as an asst GM
not as an asst to the asst GM
Even when i show you quotes where Steve says he doesnt want to get Mike P, you still insist the trade was his idea…then it magically turns into a RACIAL issue?
ok
Happy Sunday…stay warm…
Still haven’t shown where Omar advised Phillips on Piazza. You’re just deducing that it may have happened.
I like both Omar and Phillips. This imaginary comparison that you want to fight about is just that, in your imagination and the only reason that you feel that you have to create an issue about how people feel about both GM is that you prefer Omar because that is what you do. You have a latino agenda on this site.
I have no reason to be. I’m puerto rican btw and I look at BOTH GMs fairly. Omar and Phillips BOTH did a good job getting their teams to the playoffs. Phillips was more of a trade guy, Omar more of a FA guy, both suffered similar fates with signings that didn’t work out, Omar is considered a good scout, I think Phillips wasn’t so shabby too as a lot of future baseball stars were drafted under his watch.
That’s what i think of both of them with no animosity towards either. But you have animosity for some reason, you evidently have a problem. And in my opinion it’s because you look at it from a racial point of view.
That’s your problem.
Oh, and your post still has nothing to do with any proof that Minaya advised Phillips on the Piazza trade. Nothing.
Oh, and usually the story we hear is that the Fred Wilpon was the one who wanted Piazza so maybe he changed Phillips mind? I don’t know. But you’ve decided to come to the conclusion that Omar advised Phillips on the deal and your angry about it.
I know why, but that’s your problem.
this is the FOURTH time you have COMPLETELY ignored the fact that I have pointed out that Steve Phillips ON RECORD said he did NOT want to trade for Mike Piazza because he ALREADY had a 2-time ALL-Star HOMEGROWN catcher in Todd Hundley
Do you still think Steve Phillips was behind that trade ?
Sandy Alderson HIMSELF said that he would not be the Mets GM if it were not for Bud Selig begging him to take the position.
Sandy NEVER wanted to be here
Sandy was NEVER on the list of any of the candidates the Mets interviewed.
I think the fact that the man does not want to be Met GM plays a major role in his job performance
For Omar Minaya, a guy who grew up walking distance to Shea Stadium, this was a DREAM JOB
for Sandy Alderson, this is a chore
*correction, Beltran, Castillo, Perez, and K-Rods contracts were up after 2010 not 2011.
No, I was right the first time, 2011
Castillo-Perez contracts ended in 2010
Beltran-K-Rod contracts ended in 2011
I remember right after the Madoff scandal hit the public and Jeff Wilpon came in front of the cameras. He did it more then once. Each time saying that the scandal would t affect the Mets in any way. That they had “other monies” and that the Mets were completely separate from what was lost in the scam.
It turn out to be a crock of ….you know what. Flash forward a few years and the team has been completely drained of its revenue due to the Wilpons loses in the scam. Suddenly, those horrible contracts matter because that 500 million dollar nut they thought they had is gone and now, they cant afford to just spend freely in free agency to strengthen the team.
Heck, now they can’t even pay off Citifield or afford the payroll they have. They start taking loans from MLB and they start selling shares of the Mets to cover operating costs. A financially minded GM is brought it to cut costs, not build a winner. He’s told to do the best he can but this isn’t going to be Moneyball with money…it’s just Moneyball in a time when everyone else is doing Moneyball. That makes finding diamonds in the rough a lot harder because everyone is looking too.
The team loses; games, stars, and fans, but the payroll can’t rise because the financial whole is way too deep. They must rebuild, but can’t because they need those dollars from those last few die hard fans. Sandy, knowing all this, is the one who steps in front of those microphones and answers the questions. He knows he must play along and dance around the truth because his boss isn’t enough of a man to let go of the team or at least come clean with a tired and restless fan base. So that means Sandy has the target in his back not the ones who really should; the owners.
Honestly, how could anyone really point the finger at Sandy. Didn’t the Mets just sell 200 million worth of themselves? Don’t they have a TV station making over 250 million profit every year? 20+ million in naming rights every year. Over 2 million in attendance every year. Where’s this money going? It’s not on the field. It isn’t in the bullpen or playing center field.
Those Wilpons are a crafty bunch.
“oh, you have to ask Sandy. He makes the baseball decisions.” says Fred.
Oh I get Fred, you want to spend what’s right for a NY team, but Sandy says no, right? He thinks it irresponsible. He thinks it’s careless. He doesn’t do business that way. It’s all part of his master plan, right Fred?
There’s a sucker born every minute guys. But most of us are New Yorkers. We see through most of this crap. You really going to let this guy pull one over on you. I’m not that dumb. Fred isn’t fooling me with his smart a.. sh.. eating grin. This guy wants to keep his team. And he’s going to, at the expense of the team. All while turning it into a pile of crud. Just so he can keep that prestigious title of owner that’s written on the door to his luxury box.
Yup.
Time for Met fans to see the forest for the trees.
Definition of ‘forest for the trees’?
To discern an overall pattern from a mass of detail; to see the big picture, or the broader, more general situation.
No didn’t say that Bayonne. But the mets, because they will or did not:
Completely rebuild
Trade their prospects
trade Jose Reyes
Sign Jose Reyes
Can not compete with what they have if they are going to only spend the equivilant of what mud market teams spend annually on their payroll.
What do you expect? Sandy to call up the A’s, Orioles, or braves and see which team wants to trade their entire roster for our entire roster? Cause that’s basically the only way the Mets would make the playoffs with the payroll they have now.
They really need a center fielder. Like, really really need one. Their payroll right now is about 75 million. Considering they play in NY and considering only a couple years ago their payroll was 145 mill, you’d think they’d be able to sign perhaps a Michael Bourne type for 2013, but no, they literally can not do that. And it ain’t Sandys fault.
You can’t just point to other teams with lower payrolls and say, “hey look, they’re doing it, so we could too!”, because it don’t work that way. Those teams have operated at those payrolls for a long time. They’ve built from within as a strategy for a long time. That’s part of their plan. The Mets have just started that strategy recently because ownership has left then no other choice. The piggy bank is empty and it takes years to build a team that way unless your extremely lucky which this team never is. This is the Wilpons mess, Sandy is just trying to stop the bleeding as quickly as possible.
“Mets ownership sees this — at least partially — as a public-relations signing as much as a baseball one.”
Yes, because the last PR move the Mets made worked out smoothly. We ended up getting a guy hitting .165 and either he’s hurt or flat out sucks when healthy. Giving Wright a deal like this will come back to haunt them. They are only making the mistake of not seeing what they can get for him first before doing negotiations. After Wilpon’s recent comments on Alderson being the face of the franchise, it only comes to one simple conclusion: Wilpon does not believe the Mets have any leaders/stars on this team. If that’s the case, why is he blowing smoke out of our asses to have these guys staying put?
I think Omar was a good GM. Not great, but there are only a few who are in this game.
Walt Jocketty, Brian Sabean, Dave Dombrowski, Jeff Daniels, and Andrew Friedman , to me, are the great ones.
Omar was good at a lot of things. One of them was throwing money around. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t. Unfortunately, there wasnt any regard for the future, but I don’t blame him for that, it wasn’t his fault the owners had all of the teams money invested with a crook.
All of this GM crap needs to stop. People have to realize that the goals of 2006-2010 aren’t the goals of 2011-2013. Right now, the concern is to stay within an ownership imposed mid market budget and field a team of what we already have, plus cheap roster fill ins. Wait out the 50 million invested in Santana and Bay and then try to compete in 2014.
Anyone who thinks making the 2013 mets a playoff team is some sort of easy chore is fooling themselves. Sure, I could package Flores, Wheeler, and a couple of other prospects and find the outfielder and catcher the team needs. Then they’ll compete this year. But then what happens next year or the year after.
Why not wait out the bad contracts just one more year, keep my top prospects and dip into the free agent market next year to fill any need the team has. Then, not only am I working with a shut down rotation, but also a strong bullpen using Familia, Mejia, Parnell, Edgin, and Carson. Add great outfielders through free agency to play along side Kirk or Den Dekker. Possibly a good starting catcher to complement Wright, Davis, Tejada, and Murphy in the infield and this team is the best they’re going to get with the modest budget they’re working with.
That’s the plan. Everything works off of the contracts expiring after this season. You mIght as well lay off the GM, he didn’t make this mess, he’s just dealing with it.
The free-agent market is for subsidizing a team…not stocking it up…
only way u can stock up is if u have Yankee money + u make the right call more often than not
Omar actually made the right call more often than not…he just didnt have Yankee money to cover the times he didnt
If Cashman was a Met GM, we would have a repeat of the 2002-2003 seasons every year
Why?
because he couldnt replace Mariano with Soriano…nor pay Posada 15 mil and then go get Russel Martin for 5 mil…nor pay Kei Igawa 56 mil…and get 0 out of him….then replace him with Carl Pavano…for 44 mil…and get nothing out of him….and Jaret Wright for 36 mil…and AJ Burnett for 50 mil…and …..
the Yankees cover up those mistakes…
the Mets dont
thats the difference
After carefully considering and weighing everything, i`d pass on supporting that type of extension for Wright.
Michael Baron put up a post today…displaying the inside of David Wright’s hat….
I am NOW CONVINCED we need to keep him..
thats it
I’m sold
http://metsblog.com/image/photo-inside-david-wrights-hat/#disqus_thread
well to be fair…Murph is really a corner IF…
playing him at 2B is a bit of a stretch on his range…personally i like him at 3B as a stop-gap between now and when Flores is mature enough to handle the position in 2014
In 2014, Murph will be approaching age 29 and 1 year away from free-agency…perfect time to trade him…start all over with a 23 year old Flores.
I dont know who all these new people are that are commenting here today, but they appear to be trolls and I delete their comments and banned them. Last thing we need is a dozen more trolls inflaming things more than they are.
I dont understand why some of you cant understand that there are Mets fans who think Alderson glows, and those who think he sucks.
We know who they are. Why don’t you just stay on your sides of the fences?
Those who say he glows have a right to point out his record of glowing, and those who think he sucks have a right to point out his record of sucking.
There’s no need to act like children because you disagree. If you disagree with a comment either pass it by or rationally and politely explain why. It’s not that difficult.
The two sides with an agenda we know who you are. No need to bring up the same old tired arguments, trust me we who are in the middle know where you stand and who you are.
Just chill out for crying out loud.
This site is for everyone, those in the middle, those who hate everything this front office stands for, and those who love everything they are about. This site are for those who blame everything on the owners, and those who dont.
On a side note, in September we averaged over 14,000 daily unique users. We have 115 new users since September 1st who commented here for the first time (well 112 after tonight). Thank you and we hope you stick around.
For those of you wondering why I got rid of the Shoutbox it was because I was sick of seeing it on the front page. Traffic is increasing exponentially since I took it off the site. It’s still accessible, but you wont ever see it on our front page again.
Anyway, play nice. Stop instigating. Stop with the snarky tones. Behave like civilized people. Fans are fanatics, I get that. Fans are passionate, I get that too. I have zero tolerance for sexist or racist remarks and if I sense it, you are gone. If any of you sense it contact me.
If anyone insults another reader or writer regardless of who they are, contact me.
Got HUGE NEWS coming up in January.
I’m not letting people who cant act civil ruin that for us.
Again thanks for all the support, and to the 10,000+ of you who come here everyday despite having to put up with some of the sideshow threads we have here, I thank you THE MOST for your patience. You are the ones I truly do appreciate.
Two word answer: Hell Yeah!