Find the average Park Factor and defense metric and use them as modifyier to the final score.

@usmf We don’t think “a run is just a run”. Home runs are one of the few stats that are solely the responsibility of the pitcher. Base hits are dependent on defense. We think home runs allowed are important enough to warrant their own factor. Also, SB and CS are part of MBOP, so yes, they are factored in. So are Wild Pitches, which take away from some of Dickey’s talents at holding runners.

Well all I’m going to say is if your creating a metric based on the average player there has to be some way of leveling the IP part of the metric with a calculation on games played.

Then it works for guys who only get half a season of work and much better for relievers as well.

Good Metrics will compensate counting stats across various opportunities so that starting less isn’t a penalty to those who did great work when given the fewer opportunities.

Without knowing the where or why the numbers are what they nor what story that number is supposed to tell.

I don’t have any issue with people using stats but If the casual viewer can’t look at the player over 162 games and tell me what his problem is then using stats he doesn’t really understand isn’t making up for that.

Second, this cocktail napkin math. Its meant to be a quick and handy reference. I appreciate the work the guys a 60ft6in did, but this is hardly the be all end all of pitching valuation.

I’d still prefer it to be measured by innings per start and then games played instead of just innings.

I still don’t agree on factoring in HR’s per 9 innings…if a run is scored, who cares if it’s scored by four singles or one HR? a run is a run.

I’d also like to see SB’s vs CS allowed. I think that’s a huge part of a pitchers game that easily gets over looked. And it’s just not about the catcher…RAD had Thole catching him and he’s throwing Knuckle balls and guys still couldn’t steal off the guy.

No, this is not a perfect measurement, but I think it does a great job of ranking starters and relievers together, giving the perfect amount of emphasis on workload and effectiveness. We believe the 12 statistics we use take almost every aspect of pitching into account.

This is the first year we launched F12. In the future, we hope to create different versions, which take park factor and league into account. Also, we will be working on creating projections.

The media went from a medium that was focused on INFORMING to a medium thatis focused on EMBARASSING.

Scandal gets the front page, Information gets put on page 13.

Nolan Ryan’s K totals will never be matched and Nolan was not much more than a .500 pitcher. His ERA was good considering all the walks he gave up. He allowed almost 2800 walks in almost 5400 innings.whereas Tom Seaver allowed slightly less than 1400 walks in a drop under 4800 innings.

Who would you consider the better pitcher?

Bottom line is that the more zeros a pitcher puts up on the board in a full season the better the chance that he is a quality starter.

Rule # 1…..don’t walk the first batter in an inning

If your pitcher follows Rule # 1….see if he can extend it to the second and then 3rd batter too

WALKS ARE KILLERS..

I would like to see a stat showing the ERA’s of pitchers who average less than 3 walks per 9 innings. .

Reading stats off some website does not in and of itself make you seem smarter!
Especially when your just spouting stats you hardly understand in the first place.

The problem is some folks spout a metric and try to make it say one thing when the construct of the metric isn’t designed to tell that story, but it sounds good to the casual fan because he doesn’t know either.

But, the team does not look at stats only. They have the eyes on experience, scouts, etc. to have a very good idea of what a prospect is all about. So they will make moves that often appear to be head scratchers simply looking at the stats (why some guys get promoted and others don’t).

As for Spin…I’m not high on him because of his lack of plate discipline, I think that’s something that can be learned with proper coaching and experience…I personally don’t think he has the correct mind set to be a successful MLB player. He seems to have some major attitude adjustments that need to be made.

As for the name calling on this site, it’s from both sides…and if there isn’t name calling, there is definite trolling. You can’t keep on poking the bear and then yell at the bear for trying to bite you. It’s too bad, some of the best decisions I’ve had here are with people I don’t necessarily agree with, but we’ve kept the conversation civil.