Comments on: The Baltimore Orioles Are Defying Baseball Logic http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:04:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278167 Donal Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:56:48 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278167 You can’t even stay on your own tangent.

I pointed out directly how you and others criticizing Alderson for doing things that are not the accepted norm.

I’d also like to know how Dan Duquette qualifies as “creative”.

]]> By: Martin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278143 Martin Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:27:25 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278143 I do t believe in luck either. How about I use the word “chance”. You can flip a coin heads five times in a row, but you can’t do it over and over. The orioles suck.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278081 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:21:07 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278081 Sure but then again isn’t the entire point of this thread is Baltimore doesn’t really have any good players and are winning anyway?
If they have them they sure aren’t putting up the nuimbers to explain thier success are they?

Yes we get rid of Bay and just spend the 6 Mil we will be under them to be even we will have a much better team than them for the same money….

Statistically but maybe not on the field!

It’s not the money we have spent that is the problem. Wasted money is wasted and nothing you can do about it.
But spend to get better players and your not forced to play those expensive wastes of Roster space!

]]> By: Fonzie13 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278077 Fonzie13 Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:10:40 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278077 Meaning they don’t have huge money tied up in 2 players. I think Markakis is their highest paid player at 12 mil and he’s not dead weight like Bay. Johan is another one. Without those 2 then we could add real talent instead of dumpster diving.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278075 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:56:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278075 You mean alll 6 Million is distibuted more evenly?
Really take away Bay and we have spent 6 mil less than they did!

]]> By: Fonzie13 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278073 Fonzie13 Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:53:30 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278073 Lol. I was being facetious Maniac. Baltimore doesn’t have 40 million tied in 2 dead weight players. Their payroll while lower is distibuted much better.

]]> By: Joey D. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278071 Joey D. Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:44:29 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278071 Hi Donal,

Maniac and I not talking about the same thing? When somebody replies to me after the following exchanges and says: “Ain’t that the truth, brother”, I don’t think that means we’re talking about cros purposes..

Met Maniac September 4, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Real baseball fans dont play with their computers and project who will do what on their fantasy teams. They just watch the games and see the drama unfold. Predictions and projections are for idiots who need a life.

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Joey D. September 4, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Hi Maniac,

You aren’t the first person to mention “creativity” and that wasn’t me either. The individual who raised the point said that analysts only react to data.

Creativity is not a reaction but can be defined as a new idea based on imagination, insight and the courage to take risks.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278067 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:32:12 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278067 I forgot to say that I do however love the concept you proposed though…

I mean Forget WAR it came out with the wrong answer and is complicated…
If your going to get the wrong answer anyway might as well use the simpler metric to get to the same wrong answer.

]]> By: Joey D. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278066 Joey D. Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:30:30 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278066 Donal,

We’re comparing what the Mets had going for them after 2010 to that of Baltimore. Baltimore is now one game out of first. And they started out much further behind the eight ball than the Mets. And they had less going for them economically not playing in the biggest sports market in the country – and the Mets having drawn 800,000 more paying patrons paying more than that of Baltimore.

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4278:from-beer-to-tickets-to-hot-dogs-inside-the-2010-mlb-fan-cost-index&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

This more than evens out the $50 million higher payroll that the Mets had at that point and could have added to..

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278064 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:26:40 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278064 Don’t ever go to Vegas dude…

They eat people alive and lick thier chops when they find someone who believes in LUCK!

There is no Luck! Luck is something someone involkes only when they have no clue what is/has happened because they don’t understand how the world REALLY works!

There is no luck just Odds and probability Luck is nothing more than an invented concept made by people who can’t explain reality!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278063 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:22:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278063 Pray tell how do you make claims after the fact without ever having to make a claim?

I think we should hold you to that statement maybe…

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278062 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:20:32 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278062 I would rather have Pagan and Pelfrey to build around than Torres and Ramirez any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278061 Metsie Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:19:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278061 “In fact, you and others specifically criticize him because he doesn’t do things the way they were always done.”
Hardly the truth but you keep on believing that if thats what makes you happy… We criticize him because does things in a way that has never worked!

And so far what he has done here so far hasn’t worked either!

If Wheeler doesn’t turn out to be better than even Pelfrey you (and he) pretty much has NOTHING to show for two years of work!

But a nice little sucky team only an accountant could love!

]]> By: martin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278060 martin Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:18:45 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278060 forget WAR. pythogorean record is much simpler. by that metric the orioles still suck. and they do objectively suck. they have been very very lucky. it happens.

]]> By: martin http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278059 martin Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:16:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278059 defense is not that important. and they have been very lucky.

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278058 Donal Wed, 05 Sep 2012 01:04:06 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278058 Which has nothing to do with what Maniac or myself said.

But, to address your tangential point, you realize Alderson is known for taking a different approach that was (and still is by you and others) criticized because it wasn’t the way things were always done, right? In fact, you and others specifically criticize him because he doesn’t do things the way they were always done.

So, don’t sit there and tell us about needing creativity when you and others constantly lament the Good Old Days That Never Happened and try to bury people who do show actual creativity.

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278057 Donal Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:55:57 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278057 Ya, you just watch and make claims after the fact. Never having to actually go out and make a claim. So easy for you.

” Predictions and projections are for idiots who need a life.”

You know you’re getting held to that. Not just the fact that you went and insulted the entire staff here, but that you’ve made predictions and will continue to do so.

Not to mention you also insulted a lot of Real Baseball Men as well as actual people with baseball knowledge.

]]> By: Donal http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278056 Donal Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:51:28 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278056 Ya, OK. You go there and tell me Angel Pagan and Mike Pelfrey are corner stones for a major league team. And you think a pair of expiring contracts and a weak farm system don’t matter?

And I notice you didn’t mention Bay, Perez and Castillo. You don’t think those anchors affected the team?

]]> By: Met Maniac http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278055 Met Maniac Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:49:34 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278055 Ain’t that the truth, brother.

]]> By: Joey D. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/the-baltimore-orioles-are-defying-baseball-logic.html#comment-278052 Joey D. Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:46:05 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=95191#comment-278052 Hi Maniac,

You aren’t the first person to mention “creativity” and that wasn’t me either. The individual who raised the point said that analysts only react to data.

Creativity is not a reaction but can be defined as a new idea based on imagination, insight and the courage to take risks.

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