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		<title>By: alan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/remember-when-we-wanted-to-sign-derek-lowe.html#comment-283266</link>
		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of these discussions just go and prove that the plan of re- building the Mets is to do it with young arms like they have done with Matt Harvey and  Zack Wheeler. The fact that we got stuck with Ollie&#039;s 36 million dollar deal was bad enough but letting him stay after refusing to go to the minors was stupid. No one wants to lose 36 million bucks but keeping him in NY was an even bigger mistake. iT SENT A POOR MESASAGE TO THE OTHER PLAYERS.

Journeymen pitchers are a dime a dozen and that is what Derek Lowe had become by age 37. Omar indeed signed Ollie as the lesser of two evils at the time! I can&#039;t fault him for that one!  

Our younger arms will take their lumps at times but it is part of the maturity that has to develop and as long as we have young, strong armed guys with &quot;good mechanics&quot; they should blossom into mature ML pitchers....

A psychological exam should be part of the plan too!  

No more head cases like MIKE PELFREY....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of these discussions just go and prove that the plan of re- building the Mets is to do it with young arms like they have done with Matt Harvey and  Zack Wheeler. The fact that we got stuck with Ollie&#8217;s 36 million dollar deal was bad enough but letting him stay after refusing to go to the minors was stupid. No one wants to lose 36 million bucks but keeping him in NY was an even bigger mistake. iT SENT A POOR MESASAGE TO THE OTHER PLAYERS.</p>
<p>Journeymen pitchers are a dime a dozen and that is what Derek Lowe had become by age 37. Omar indeed signed Ollie as the lesser of two evils at the time! I can&#8217;t fault him for that one!  </p>
<p>Our younger arms will take their lumps at times but it is part of the maturity that has to develop and as long as we have young, strong armed guys with &#8220;good mechanics&#8221; they should blossom into mature ML pitchers&#8230;.</p>
<p>A psychological exam should be part of the plan too!  </p>
<p>No more head cases like MIKE PELFREY&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/09/remember-when-we-wanted-to-sign-derek-lowe.html#comment-283077</link>
		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK so no one else was going to sign Perez but Omar signed him for 3/36?  Of course someone would have signed Perez.

Also, it didn&#039;t have to be Garland.  The point was that you needed more than just Perez and the amount you paid for Perez and the draft picks given up that you would have received were not worth it at the time and it obviously turned out that way as well.  The only pass I give Omar on the deal is that people around baseball were pressuring him into it when we couldn&#039;t sign Lowe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK so no one else was going to sign Perez but Omar signed him for 3/36?  Of course someone would have signed Perez.</p>
<p>Also, it didn&#8217;t have to be Garland.  The point was that you needed more than just Perez and the amount you paid for Perez and the draft picks given up that you would have received were not worth it at the time and it obviously turned out that way as well.  The only pass I give Omar on the deal is that people around baseball were pressuring him into it when we couldn&#8217;t sign Lowe.</p>
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		<title>By: USMF</title>
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		<dc:creator>USMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone forgets the both guys had Scot BoreAss as their agent...hate the dude, but he completely Jedi Mind Tricked both Omar and the Braves with those deals.

 I was one who loved Ollie for what he did and wanted him back because I love the Mets and like their players too much...but deep down I had a very bad feeling about his future and was wishing that someone else took him before we had the chance.

Remember when the scouts and ex-GMs nicknamed Perez the &quot;GM Killer&quot; saying that Ollie was talented enough to get some GM to give him a big contract but bad enough that he&#039;d bust and cost that GM his job?  How true was that evaluation?  Would Omar still have a job if it weren&#039;t for the Perez contract?  

All his other deals weren&#039;t that bad, even the busts. Castillo sucked and the length was long, but the $ wasn&#039;t crazy...K-Rods deal was praised at signing and would have been fine if the Mets didn&#039;t go broke and K-Rod turned into a nut case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone forgets the both guys had Scot BoreAss as their agent&#8230;hate the dude, but he completely Jedi Mind Tricked both Omar and the Braves with those deals.</p>
<p> I was one who loved Ollie for what he did and wanted him back because I love the Mets and like their players too much&#8230;but deep down I had a very bad feeling about his future and was wishing that someone else took him before we had the chance.</p>
<p>Remember when the scouts and ex-GMs nicknamed Perez the &#8220;GM Killer&#8221; saying that Ollie was talented enough to get some GM to give him a big contract but bad enough that he&#8217;d bust and cost that GM his job?  How true was that evaluation?  Would Omar still have a job if it weren&#8217;t for the Perez contract?  </p>
<p>All his other deals weren&#8217;t that bad, even the busts. Castillo sucked and the length was long, but the $ wasn&#8217;t crazy&#8230;K-Rods deal was praised at signing and would have been fine if the Mets didn&#8217;t go broke and K-Rod turned into a nut case.</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the only way they&#039;d get picks is if somebody signed him. Who was gonna do that? We&#039;ll never know. 

The problem with the Ollie signing was not that they signed him - it was how they went about out bidding themselves. It was overpaying for a commodity voluntarily. 

You cannot just toss aside the fact Perez from 25-26 years old went 25-17 with a 3.91 ERA for the Mets. You can&#039;t deem that from a lefty as not valuable. What they didn&#039;t calculate well was &quot;above the shoulders.&quot; Ollie not only lost confident fast but he showed a lack of patience or willingness to correct the problems. You can&#039;t tell me there isn&#039;t a role for him in baseball - he&#039;s proving in 2012 there is. 

Garland is a nice thought but he made it clear after playing in LAA that he wanted to stay out west. I&#039;ll never forget this entire debate and if I need to go dig for old articles I will but trust me - California kid Jon Garland wanted to stay out west if he could. And notice where he&#039;s pitched since 08. LAA-AZ-LAD-SD-LAD

Randy Wolf, I mean okay? But I don&#039;t see how getting him at 31 could outweigh the potential of Perez. You can&#039;t use what you know now of Ollie P. He had more potential prior to 09 than Wolf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only way they&#8217;d get picks is if somebody signed him. Who was gonna do that? We&#8217;ll never know. </p>
<p>The problem with the Ollie signing was not that they signed him &#8211; it was how they went about out bidding themselves. It was overpaying for a commodity voluntarily. </p>
<p>You cannot just toss aside the fact Perez from 25-26 years old went 25-17 with a 3.91 ERA for the Mets. You can&#8217;t deem that from a lefty as not valuable. What they didn&#8217;t calculate well was &#8220;above the shoulders.&#8221; Ollie not only lost confident fast but he showed a lack of patience or willingness to correct the problems. You can&#8217;t tell me there isn&#8217;t a role for him in baseball &#8211; he&#8217;s proving in 2012 there is. </p>
<p>Garland is a nice thought but he made it clear after playing in LAA that he wanted to stay out west. I&#8217;ll never forget this entire debate and if I need to go dig for old articles I will but trust me &#8211; California kid Jon Garland wanted to stay out west if he could. And notice where he&#8217;s pitched since 08. LAA-AZ-LAD-SD-LAD</p>
<p>Randy Wolf, I mean okay? But I don&#8217;t see how getting him at 31 could outweigh the potential of Perez. You can&#8217;t use what you know now of Ollie P. He had more potential prior to 09 than Wolf.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, there was no way that Perez was worth Garland, Wolf and 2 prospects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, there was no way that Perez was worth Garland, Wolf and 2 prospects.</p>
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		<title>By: Metstheory22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metstheory22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was against Both signings.  I thought we should have passed on Perez at the time and Lowe and some of the other less than .500 pitcher available during these years that everyone wanted to sign like Millwood and such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was against Both signings.  I thought we should have passed on Perez at the time and Lowe and some of the other less than .500 pitcher available during these years that everyone wanted to sign like Millwood and such.</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is they needed more than just Ollie and they actually could have had 2 similar pitchers and 2 draft picks if they had not signed him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is they needed more than just Ollie and they actually could have had 2 similar pitchers and 2 draft picks if they had not signed him.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Valis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Valis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Omar made the move because Ollie still had potential, was just 27 years old, a former 15 game winner, and a lefty at that with a mid-90&#039;s heater.

He just way over payed for him...and Ollie lost what he had completely.

not to mention he was a basket case lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omar made the move because Ollie still had potential, was just 27 years old, a former 15 game winner, and a lefty at that with a mid-90&#8242;s heater.</p>
<p>He just way over payed for him&#8230;and Ollie lost what he had completely.</p>
<p>not to mention he was a basket case lol</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[^ Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ Really?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must say, i never wanted to shoot somebody before omar minaya signed oliver perez.. To that deal even more..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say, i never wanted to shoot somebody before omar minaya signed oliver perez.. To that deal even more..</p>
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		<title>By: TRS86</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRS86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I wanted neither.  I thought that the just because we didn&#039;t get Lowe we have to offer Perez... was the wrong idea.  For Perez money you could have gotten Garland and Wolf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I wanted neither.  I thought that the just because we didn&#8217;t get Lowe we have to offer Perez&#8230; was the wrong idea.  For Perez money you could have gotten Garland and Wolf.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll admit I was part of that small minority as well and man, I couldn&#039;t have been more wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll admit I was part of that small minority as well and man, I couldn&#8217;t have been more wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh.... John smoltz retiring screw that up for us... I think at 3/36 lowe was ready to take that deal... then, smoltz retired, the braves jumped up the offer and we got stuck with perez.. the rest is history]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230;. John smoltz retiring screw that up for us&#8230; I think at 3/36 lowe was ready to take that deal&#8230; then, smoltz retired, the braves jumped up the offer and we got stuck with perez.. the rest is history</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in the small minority of folks who wanted Ollie P over Lowe (if that was the choice to make). I didn&#039;t like the bidding against themselves but I also felt Ollie P should have been able to give us more for the $ than Lowe would based on his age and track record. 

Looking back - to me the only reason to say you would have preferred Lowe is simply knowing about the 09/10 injury issues. Because he would have been valuable on that roster but would his performance have mattered in the grand scheme of things? 

I think its a tough call. I think Oliver Perez clearly would have benefited from a different approach AND different attitude on his side. But if you ask me today knowing everything I know from the last 4 years - I&#039;d take Lowe over Perez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in the small minority of folks who wanted Ollie P over Lowe (if that was the choice to make). I didn&#8217;t like the bidding against themselves but I also felt Ollie P should have been able to give us more for the $ than Lowe would based on his age and track record. </p>
<p>Looking back &#8211; to me the only reason to say you would have preferred Lowe is simply knowing about the 09/10 injury issues. Because he would have been valuable on that roster but would his performance have mattered in the grand scheme of things? </p>
<p>I think its a tough call. I think Oliver Perez clearly would have benefited from a different approach AND different attitude on his side. But if you ask me today knowing everything I know from the last 4 years &#8211; I&#8217;d take Lowe over Perez.</p>
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		<title>By: Seligman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seligman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As it turned out, we signed the lesser of two evils. With our bullpen and offense, Lowe would not have even won 31 games in 2009/2010 with the Mets. Probably closer to 20 wins and considering twice the price tag of Perez it would have hurt us even more in the pocket than Perez did. By the way, Perez is actually pitching decently right now for Seattle which is a lot more than you can say for Lowe..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turned out, we signed the lesser of two evils. With our bullpen and offense, Lowe would not have even won 31 games in 2009/2010 with the Mets. Probably closer to 20 wins and considering twice the price tag of Perez it would have hurt us even more in the pocket than Perez did. By the way, Perez is actually pitching decently right now for Seattle which is a lot more than you can say for Lowe..</p>
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