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Mets Rank 16th Highest In 2013 MLB Payroll Commitments
An article by 72MetsFan
Here are each MLB Team’s 2013 Payroll Commitments as compiled from Cot’s Contracts.
Beginning with the team with the largest commitment they are:
- Dodgers, $193.8 MM
- Phillies, $133.1 MM
- Yankees, $119.1 MM
- Cardinals, $92.8 MM
- Angels, $92.3 MM
- Tigers, $90.2 MM
- Rangers, $84.4 MM
- White Sox, $83.3 MM
- Giants, $81.0 MM
- Reds, $74.1 MM
- Twins, $68.3 MM
- Marlins, $67.5 MM
- Blue Jays, $61.3 MM
- Nationals, $58.6 MM
- Diamondbacks, $55.0 MM
- Mets, $54.5 MM
- Orioles, $53.2 MM
- Brewers, $52.4 MM
- Rockies, $46.5 MM
- Red Sox, $45.6 MM
- Cubs, $41.8 MM
- Mariners, $40.5 MM
- Royals, $34.9 MM
- Pirates, $27.9 MM
- Padres, $26.0 MM
- Athletics, $23.0 MM
- Rays, $18.6 MM
- Braves, $15.2 MM
- Indians, $11 MM
- Astros, $5.5 MM
Like the Mets, many of the teams with high payroll commitments in 2013, are for as few as 3-4 players so their position in not unlike the Mets who are in the middle of the pack.
In this light, the Mets can no longer play the “woe is me” card or the “no flexibility” excuse moving forward. At least that’s my opinion.
The Mets are in no better or worse shape than the average MLB team and they play in a much larger market than most teams with higher obligations.
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|---|---|---|---|---|
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| Marlins | 11 | 32 | .256 | 13.5 |
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I’m going to take a wild guess and say those numbers for us do not include Wright and Dickey’s Options for next year.
And it’s also low because of all the 1 year contracts that will expire as well.
It was already reported that the Mets have 80.5 commited to 6 players next year. Johan, Bay, Wright, Niese, Dickey and Fransucko. If they’re not planning to increase payroll that means they have about 15 million for the other 19 roster spots. There’s no way they can not increase payroll and expect to improve. It’s just not happening.
The only commitment they have to Wright and Dickey is the cost of thier buyouts at this point in time!
Until they activate the options on both they are not committed to them two!
And thats just 1.3 Mil in this case.
So all those guys you listed are only 49.3 Mil worth of commitment for next year!
If they cut Bay next year it will increase to 52.3 Mil
I’ll bet you the title to my house and you put up yours that neither Wright or Dickey will be bought out? Deal?
And if the cut Bay they’re still on the hook for his money.
First off I didn’t make any statement on the likelihood of thier taking the options…Just said hey are not committed to taking it if they chose not to!
They could trade them and not owe either of them a penny! Not Likely but it could happen!
YOU WERE WRONG IN YOUR MATH!
Second I suggest you re-read what I said again because not only dis I count the 16 Mil they would owe Bay for cutting him, I ADDED he 3 Mil they would owe him in 2014 as part of his 2014 option Buyout!
But your just so hard up to say I’m wrong you didn’t bother to see what I said or checked the math out yourself as you would have seen I added 3 Mil to the total commitment above bay’s salary if he was cut next year!
Maybe you should just change your name to Wronzie!
First off I didn’t make any statement on the likelihood of thier taking the options…Just said hey are not committed to taking it if they chose not to!
Nor do I or anybody else for that matter make certain statements that you claim we do but that doesn’t stop you from saying what you think we say. Don’t dish out what you can’t take.
I’m going by those guys being in the mix since there isn’t a shot in hell those options are not picked up nor do I think there’s any chance either will be traded so as far as I’m concerned those 6 players will be on the roster in person or at the very least the contract IE Bay. 80.5 million are tied up with those 6 players. My math is fine.
Sure you did….
It was already reported that the Mets have 80.5 commited to 6 players next year. Johan, Bay, Wright, Niese, Dickey and Fransucko
Hard to run when your in the same room as the crime isn’t it?
Johan 25.5
Bay 16
Wright 16
Francisco 6.5
Dickey 5
Niese 3
= $72m not 80.5m
You don’t add a 2014 buyout salary to a 2013 budget line. I’m not sure where you learned that accounting trick but Jason Bay’s $3million buyout will go against their 2014 bottom line. The same goes for Johan’s 2014 buyout of 5.5 million.
According to Cot’s Contracts, the Mets payroll is around $94.5 million this season. In regards to 2013, the Mets already have $80.5 million committed to Johan Santana, David Wright, Jason Bay, R.A. Dickey, Frank Francisco and Jon Niese
http://metsblog.com/metsblog/sandy-expects-payroll-to-be-in-excess-of-100m-next-season/
I got it from Metsblog and it was reported on other sites as well.
I got that number off Metsblog. It was reported elswhere also. 80.5 for 6 players.
So you’re citing Matt Cerrone as your reliable source? That’s kind of scary that you hold him in such high esteem.
ESPN is also adding Johan and Bay’s buyouts to next year payroll.
Well I can tell you I spoke with somebody who has written player contracts and he told me that the 2014 buyout is paid after 2013 season regardless of when/if he gets cut.
They have to pay his 2013 salary in full, and then the $ owed to him in 2014… in 2014.
So you can take that for whatever its worth to ya. It literally makes no sense to pay somebody $ in 2013 if they wouldn’t be owed it until 2014.
It’s because the contract is being terminated. Paying the buyout when you terminate them is a standard practice everywhere.
Thank you TRS…So Jessup I’m nuts and you have a contract expert right?
You really should just stop ACTING like you know what the hell your talking about!
TRS – Again, none of us have seen the contract and none of us know the conversation that will go on if/when he is cut.
However, in a general sense a 2014 buyout whether the player is cut in 2012 or 2013 does not need to be paid until 2014. The Detroit Tigers are a perfect example.
Brandon Inge was released by them and signed with Oakland.
Detroit is currently paying his $5.5 million salary. He had a $500k buyout for 2013 which is currently under the Tigers *2013* payroll obligations. However, there is language in contracts that if the player does sign with another team often times part of if not the entire buyout get voided.
Oakland saved Detroit over $400k (most of the buyout) on their 2013 payroll.
“Brandon Inge was released by them and signed with Oakland”
He was traded not released….
Thats why that Option is counted next year because they didn’t actually terminate the contract!
Actually check that, One page of BRef says traded another says released.
But Oqkland picked him up off the released waiver wire which is why they only had to pay the amount they did while the Tigers are responsible for the rest.
I see where our getting tripped up though…
The Option amount on BRef shows up under the 2013 column but they already paid that!
It isn’t counted towards the Luxury Tax but they still paid him everything he is owed!
OK Well I guess you thought you were coming to Wrongzies rescue…
First of we aren’t committed to 16 Mil for Wright. Only the price of the Buyout untill we actually take the option…Have we done that yet? NO! So TODAY we are only committed to the amount of the buyout not his full salary.
TWO
If Bay is cut we have to pay him all remaining contractual monetary commitments the year we cut him with the exception of any payments that have been deferred to a date beyond the end of the contract.
Thats pretty much standard in any contract!
And it will get counted in the year that cut happens not a year later!
So we’re not counting Wright’s option in your calculations but you’re counting Bay being cut?
Just stick to the facts and try to use logic.
In fiscal year 2013 the Mets will pay
Johan 25.5
Bay 16
Wright 16
Francisco 6.5
Dickey 5
Niese 3
Which is $72 million. You don’t count buyouts etc in the fiscal budget if they don’t apply in 2013. If you’re going to try to argue with me that the Mets may not pick up Wright’s 2013 option then I guess we are on 2 different planets.
And further – none of us have read his contract.
But if he’s owed $16mil in 2013 and he’s cut before Opening Day – the Mets pay him $16mil. The language of the contract would dictate whether they also have to pay the $3mil 2014 buyout at that time or if they wait til 2014 to pay it.
The option can still be guaranteed IF he meets the requirements elsewhere. Which is why you won’t see Jason Bay in another uniform until the Mets are sure he can’t get 600 PA in 2013.
Sorry my above is wrong. Yours is as well actually
If they cut Bay they owe him 2013 payment. In 2014 they owe him the buyout total which is $3m. So you still don’t pay him his buyout until 2014.
What happens with Bay at the plate doesn’t matter. The Mets are not on the hook for the performance part of his option any longer.
If we don’t take theoption does Wright get 16 Million?
I did count Wright OPTION BUYOUT under committed…Not the Salary he would get IF we take the option.
I do find it funny how both of you are arguing we have a 80 Mil in commitments when the article clearly states we are only committed to 54!
I guess everyone on the planet sucks at math except guys who like Sandy?
As for Bay your STILL COMMITTED TO THE BUYOUT ARE YOU NOT?
DO you NEVER have to pay that if you cut him?
You DO have to pay it before the next season starts don’t you?
Accounting semantics to argue with me simply for the sake of arguing and coming up with BAD MATH to argue it to boot!
Both of you should just give up!
You just better hope Wright is extended or Bye Bye Sandy!
And what will the two of you do then?
Talk about how in 10 years from now Sandy set us up to win by getting Wheeler?
Thats should be fun to see!
You’re all over the place right now.
You’re arguing with us that the Mets won’t pick up David Wright’s option? The only way David Wright doesn’t make $16mil in 2013 paid by the Mets is if they trade him and somebody takes his salary. That’s it.
The 54million is a deceiving and unreasonable number. The only way the Mets go into the winter with $54mil in contracts is if they totally just clean house. Nobody has any evidence that will happen. Trying to act like the Mets will use the $1m buyout on Wright is ridiculous. The ONLY way they’d do that is if they totally re-structured his deal based on an extension and frankly, that makes 0 sense. Any new contract he gets will be 2014 and beyond.
Here is what the Mets payroll/budget will look like before Arbitration
Johan Santana will get paid $25.million
Jason Bay will get paid $16million
David Wright will get paid $16million
Frank Francisco will get paid $6.5million
RA Dickey will get paid $5million
Jon Niese will get paid $3million
That is $71.5million. Then you have players like Ike, Ramirez, Murphy, Parnell, Gee, Duda etc who will either get a slight raise or go through arbitration
That’s it. You can ASSUME all you want that RA Dickey is getting $300k and his walking papers via a buyout, but LOGIC dictates the Mets will pick up his $5million option.
If you want to make an argument about their payroll in 2013. Start with $71.5million and go from there. Any other # suggests you either ignore facts or cover your eyes when something makes too much sense.
No it’s YOU thats all over the place and probably on purpose because you know what we WERE discussing the amount of money they have COMMITTED to next year!
So you think a trade is the ONLY way possible to not pay Wright 16 Mil?
They couldn’t not pick up the option too?
And as you said if they could trade him and not owe him 16 Mil the THEY ARE NOT COMMITTED to wright for 16 mil are they?
Yes Metsie, I am telling you with 100% certainty that the NY Mets will not decline David Wright’s 2013 option and allow him to hit the open market.
If you want to try and argue differently, that is up to you and the guy you see in the mirror. I’m not interested in arguing that point with you because you KNOW they will take the option regardless of what they do with Wright past 2013. So all you’re doing is arguing to argue.
Next you’ll tell me the Mets may decline Dickey’s option and choose to buy him out also.
Thats not what I asked you was it?
Running around to answer to avoid answering MY question in favor of answering your own I see….
CAN THEY CUT WRIGHT! Lickey or not YES OR NO?
If they cut Wright do they have to pay him 16 Mil? YES OR NO?
If NO Are they committed to pay him 16 MIL? YES OR NO?
And if not then apply all that to Dickey as well, Add up the numbers and tell me how you got to 70 or 80 Mil here!
Really? Inge was traded to Oakland? Inge cleared waivers and signed with Oakland. But don’t believe me, here you go
From the Detroit Tigers own presser – April 26th
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120426&content_id=29734424&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
DETROIT — Brandon Inge’s 12-year tenure as a Tiger, and the more recent question about his future wearing the old English D, is over. The team released the veteran infielder on Thursday, parting ways with one of the last remaining players from their rise from league also-ran to perennial contender.
The decision came about during a Thursday pregame meeting between the club’s front office and the coaching staff. Dombrowski and Leyland broke the news to Inge after Thursday’s game.
“We talked long and hard about it, and this is what we came up with,” Leyland said. “It’s not my happiest day, obviously, but that’s the way it is. You have to make tough decisions, and at the end of the day, I think this was the decision we felt we had to make.”
Inge will be on waivers for the weekend. Assuming no team claims the remainder of his contract — he’s making $5.5 million this year, plus a $500,000 buyout — he’ll become a free agent Monday, free to sign with any team for the minimum salary, with the Tigers picking up the rest of his deal.
April 29, 2012 – Third baseman Brandon Inge has agreed to sign with the Oakland Athletics, a person with knowledge of the negotiations said Sunday.
Inge was released by the Tigers on Thursday after batting .100 (2 for 20) with one home run and two RBIs in nine games this season. Inge, who turns 35 on May 19, joins his first new team in his 12th major league season. In Detroit, he played mostly third base, but he has also caught, played the outfield and second base.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7870967/report-brandon-inge-sign-oakland-athletics
Or here, from Ken Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Oakland-Athletics-As-Brandon-Inge-waivers-cleared-contract-042912
The Oakland Athletics, continuing their search for an adequate third baseman, signed free agent Brandon Inge on Sunday, according to a major-league source.
Inge, who was released by the Detroit Tigers last week, cleared waivers at 2 p.m. ET.
— Metsie: Let me know if this is enough “proof” for you to move on and say “oh sorry I was wrong.” or if you want to continue telling me he was traded?
Notice I corrected myself didn’t I?
You avoided that didn’t you? Made a new comment thread to do that did you?
Here is where I got the bad Info…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/2012-roster.shtml
What does it say happened to Inge?
I corrected it when I went to see his actual transaction page!
And I also pointed out that they still paid his option it just isn’t counted towards the luxury tax this year just next which is why it is in a different column but they paid him all of it!
I cant believe Bay will be playing three of his four year deal with Alderson. We’ve seen worse contracts moved like Rios, Wells, Crawford, etc. I dont get it. He must really mean all that great stuff he says about Bay.
This only counts the guaranteed money. It doesn’t include Dickey’s or Wright’s options if they get picked up.
It also doesn’t include all the arbitration settlements coming up.
Hey Wrongzie,
I think you have another person to make bets with here in Donal…Do you have another showbox you can put up to bet?
Not for nothing but who cares about this? There will be more payroll slashing to go with the gnashing of the teeth. Alderson has no plan. He’s here to cut payroll not to build a winner. When will some of you ever get that? There will be no payroll increase this offseason. Like Fonzie said $15 mil to fill 19 spots. Wake up and smell the EPIC FAIL!!!
LOL you know why?
Because it’s easier to sell the uninformed that an 80+ mil payroll needs MORE CUTS than it is to convince anyone that cutting a 50+ Mil salary is!
Their world does seem to be crumbling around all the apologists though doesn’t it?
LOL! Stay away for weeks and the same clowns braying the same thing.
Too much.
Hey Rockwell, go back to Metsblog and read all their pitching and hitting analysis.
It wasn’t long enough…Try forever this time and see if that works!
Lmao, don’t forget positional players.