Comments on: Mets Lay Down And Die, Take Pounding From Phillies 16-1

By: Even Flow

Even Flow — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:08:56 +0000

It’s games like this that makes me imagine just what the Mets clubhouse is like. I bet it’s like something out of the “Moneyball” movie with Lucas Duda dancing on the table in the clubhouse while Usher’s “Yeah!” blares and no one giving a shit.

By: Marco

Marco — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:52:01 +0000

Let’s face it: ownership, management, coaches and players have disgraced this franchise, the Mets history, it’s home field and even the logo, and they have embarrassed the city and insulted every Mets fan. They should forfeit the rest of their games and leave the scene so we can have peace.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:46:51 +0000

I stopped watching the second I saw they needed two touchdowns and a FG to win!

By: DMets3

DMets3 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:43:42 +0000

I already change the channel when they turned into a bunch of beer leaguers last months. Thank god for football.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:36:47 +0000

Chuck, Really?? First time?? Wow.. You’re really a true met fan. i developed Ulcer watching this put together garbage all this second half… but hey, BLAME THE WILPONS. how can the blame not start and stop with them is beyond me!

By: srt

srt — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:33:30 +0000

No need. I understood what you were saying.

I know my opinion on blame starts and stops with the Wilpons is not a popular one here.
I just don’t see how it cannot be. They’re responsible for the last FO. They’re responsible for this FO. They’re responsible for being cash strapped now.

Those minority investors they brought in only got them through the 2012 season, for the most part. That money went towards paying back the 25 MIL MLB loan, the 40 MIL bridge loan and the bonds and the like they owed on Citi April 2012. What happens going forward?

I just see no change for 2013. Revenue was down, there are no profits to spend. Wilpons can’t or won’t invest any more of their own money.

Unless they bring in a true money partner, I expect payroll to dip even further.

The team could get lucky and actually compete in the next couple of years by shuffling the deck chairs and bringing up some of the prospects. If not what exactly will change? I’m just not seeing it at all.

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:01:40 +0000

srt; I apologize for the typing error.

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:58:18 +0000

“SA’s number one goal was to save the team for the Wilpons. Mission accomplished.”

STR I totally agree:

This is a results business. This is the problem:

“This is a results business” To fans be competive and make us proud we are fans.

To the owners: Resuts are the bottom line on the P&L not the field.
“Cut my losses” because I can’t sustain 70 M losses a year.

Well Sandy did in fact cut losses to the 25 M range. Sandy will get a bonus.

By: chuck

chuck — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:37:44 +0000

First time in along time I just change the channel. They are unwatchable.

By: srt

srt — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:37:18 +0000

If those that hold the money clip don’t hire the best men for the job, the blame has to go back to them.

Yes, they were willing to spend money in the early years when they bought out Doubleday. They had money to spend. Omar increased the payroll every year. He had a vision but didn’t stick to it. After the 2007 collapse and heading towards a poor Sep the following 2008, the Wilpons gave Omar a new contract. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during those conversations. What plan did Omar lay out to get the Wilpons to buy into it?

Fast forward two years and Omar is out the door. One that leaves the Wilpons paying two GMs for two years. I still believe SA was part of the packaged deal the Wilpons took with Selig.

SA’s number one goal was to save the team for the Wilpons. Mission accomplished.
He’s not going to be around long enough to see a championship here. Remains to be seen if what he leaves behind in his wake is a franchise on it’s way back up, or one trying to get out from under the ruins.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:05:47 +0000

Hey I don’t mind Young. You have to have guys like Young who are either injured to start the season, willing to go to AAA or can be a longman out of the pen. You are not going to get great starters to just sit around in AAA waiting on the opportunity. So as a 6th man, really 7 if you count Harvey, Chris Young is a bonus. But looking at what they signed Heffy to do, how far down the line was he and how much talent to you expect to get from it.

I don’t prescribe to the idea that Heff was a good signing, don’t get me wrong. I am just saying that every team signs guys like him and hope they don’t have to use them.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:58:55 +0000

problem is, as soon as he was picked up, just like chris young, i knew the mets were gonna have some use for the guy.. He’s a SD reject, and we picked that bum up??? Come on TRS.

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:56:12 +0000

One thing, Warthen is a replacement as well.

However, the Mets have been able to win even with the Wilpons and be competitive with the Wilpons as the owners and when they have had money they have spent it. So while I agree if you follow the root you always get back to the owner, at this point I am tired of the blame game on any it. Blame-Beltran, Blame-Wright, Blame-Willie, Blame-Jerrry, Blame-Reyes, Blame-Omar, Blame-Terry, Blame-Sandy, Blame-The Wilpons. Still not changing anything.

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:55:27 +0000

mao… Lou, it is not my intention to be THIS ACCURATE.. but wow. so far i was spot on in my prediction towards the mets..
I predicted SA will suck: HE HAS
Mets 69 Wins: Well on the way
DW with 20 HR and 80 RBI: a few dingers and i’m there
Ike Davis 25+ HR: past that already.. Genius
FFF and co were gonna suck: BRILLIANT prediction, did not disappoint
Jeremy Hefner sucks and was not a good pick up: Ditto…

Alex68damus for some of you from now on

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:55:00 +0000

“What has remained the one constant?”

Inconsistency!

They made a playoff then did as you said fired everyone and anyone at least once except Wright and Warthen. (Apparently a W in your last name gets you a plus, Maybe this is where Wilpon in to blame? He has a W in his name as well!)

They fired staff, let players go, and many of those moves were not done for Baseball reasons!

And despite your hatred of Wilpon he didn’t make ALL those decisions! And Money has been the excuse only the last two years!

By: TRS86

TRS86 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:52:43 +0000

I think you have to keep it in perspective. Every team needs and picks up guys like Heffer and hopes they never have to use them. Unfortunately for the Mets they had to use him.

By: Met Fan Lou

Met Fan Lou — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:51:00 +0000

Alex 68. When we broke spring training I said 75 wins. I analyzed the team, the competition and read the pundits and thought 75 would be a good season. You sir are a wise man. I look forward to reading your prophetic musings for the off season.

By: Met Fan Lou

Met Fan Lou — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:46:53 +0000

A few comments. OK all you Mets fans who told me Wally Backman was too much of a loose cannon and would not be a good manager for the Mets. Oh yeah now we have this NO NOTHING Colllins. Good deal. Trade Wright and get what you can for him. We are not competing anytime SOON. The only thing to do now is a fan BOYCOTT to include no buying of season tickets. They weren’t spending before so it will have no affect but it will send a message from the fans. What free agent , even if we could find the money wants to come to the Mets and play for this team. First of all their agents will try and talk them out of it because all FAs want to have a shot at post season do to the fact that the money and glory happens in the post season. Look at all the endorsements Jerek Deter and Rodriguez get. Do you think that would happen on the Astros. And finally why would the Phillies pile it on in the ninth when they were up 8-1. Charlie should have told his hitters just to go and make easy contact and get out of town. This is how far we have sunk to know other teams use the Mets to fatten up their stats. So SAD!!

By: Alex68

Alex68 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:44:53 +0000

Russell, i predicted 69 wins, around 2 months i was taking all kinds of heat for it… which is fine, i wanted to be wrong. but boy, how the tables have turned. i might be right all along.

By: Russell Zanca

Russell Zanca — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:36:53 +0000

Holy Crap! Left game at start of 8th, and it was 8-1. I like Carson; hope that kids not to blame for the second Philly TD and 2-point conversion.

Wow, if I never see that worthless POS pitcher Hef ina Mets uniform again it will be way, way too soon.

I recall Alex68 joking with me in ST that we would lose 95 games. never wanted to believe this. Look at us–free-falling disaster. A shameful, disgrace of a team.