Mets Lay Down And Die, Take Pounding From Phillies 16-1

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• Guy September 21, 2012 at 5:13 am

  I’ve been a fan all my life, still am but damn this team sucks. They are horrible, to the point that it makes me not interested. Losing hope for the future fast.
• Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 7:15 am

  I mean, LOL, it’s just laughable at this point.. but hey, somehow, somehow we’re going in the right direction. Not sure which direction is that but according to some we are. Also, i said from day ONE, jeremy hefner just suck!!!!!!!!!!! however, you had the SA apologists here saying how he was a good pickup, not sure why but they said it was and that i was a hater. The guy is a pickup from SD went SA was there, the guy failed and he broght him here, to shove him down our throats, it is a pathetic and very sad situation that’s going on. but BLAME THE WILPONS for this atrocity of team that was put together.
  Keep losing boys and let’s assure that top 5 draft pick… we’re well on our way to accomplish that!
  • TRS86 September 21, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Hey I guess I for sure am not an apologist then because I have been against Heffy from day one. Anyone in the desert will tell you that. As Miggy was getting cut and people were signing the praises of the next stiff I said be careful what you wish for.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 8:35 am

    My god… The guy is a PO-s… I wish you would’ve seen some of the comments made regarding hefner and how he was a GOOD PICK UP BY SA… and i am not kidding you when i am sayign that, that was exactly how it was said, he has been a good pick up by SA..
    • TRS86 September 21, 2012 at 9:52 am

      I think you have to keep it in perspective. Every team needs and picks up guys like Heffer and hopes they never have to use them. Unfortunately for the Mets they had to use him.
      • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 9:58 am

        problem is, as soon as he was picked up, just like chris young, i knew the mets were gonna have some use for the guy.. He’s a SD reject, and we picked that bum up??? Come on TRS.
        • TRS86 September 21, 2012 at 10:05 am

          Hey I don’t mind Young. You have to have guys like Young who are either injured to start the season, willing to go to AAA or can be a longman out of the pen. You are not going to get great starters to just sit around in AAA waiting on the opportunity. So as a 6th man, really 7 if you count Harvey, Chris Young is a bonus. But looking at what they signed Heffy to do, how far down the line was he and how much talent to you expect to get from it.

          I don’t prescribe to the idea that Heff was a good signing, don’t get me wrong. I am just saying that every team signs guys like him and hope they don’t have to use them.
• gorgeguy September 21, 2012 at 8:09 am

  We can blame SA for some things, but the team’s flaws have been there for a long time. The emphasis for the 80s was on player development and building a foundation from within the system. FAs were more role players brought in from outside, and even though Carter was a superstar before, his role was not to save the team. The ’86 & ’88 Mets exemplified the success that can come from that model.

  In the 90s the Mets started making both poor choices for FAs (the quick fixes), many times just seeming to satiate the “Win-Now” club. Bobby V seemed to turn things around at the end of that decade with sheer effort. Whether players liked his captainship or not, they won. The FO made some good draft choices, both domestic and international, and the FAs/trades were more thoughtful choices.

  After the 2006 season, the “Win-Now” chorus was vociferously asking for a myriad of players to win-now (FAs), and each one seemed to fail. International signees were rushed and the 19 year-olds in AA seemed to start showing the weaknesses of rushing players just for the sake of rushing. Draft choices have been back to hit-and-misses with more of the latter due to the “above-slot” choices they seem to focus for much of the draft. The worst tragedy of this last year was the utter lack of follow-through on the draft.

  You cannot blame all of this on SA and I’m no apologist. However, there does need to be a hell-of-a-lot more accountability on his part. I personally think he was hired as GM as a figurehead and not as a revolutionary. I don’t think he’s stupid, but I don’t think he really cares about how the team does.

  It will take a risk-taker to dig the team out of the hole, someone who is willing to truly dismantle the machine, get rid of the faulty pieces (love DW but he’s one of them), and rebuild with fresh new faces in the clubhouse. Unfortunately, I can’t see that happening in the next year, but I’ll still cross my worn fingers.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Good point, which is all we’ve been saying all along. when the man and his 2 other GM’s were hired everyone around the metsphere annointed this guy as a savior, as the guy who would turn this franchise around, after little limitations the first year and all his acquisitions bombing out, the blame was put on minaya, then the lies and bad acquisitions kept happening in year 2, but somehow more excuses were being thrown his way as to why he’s failing, now, the offseason hasn’t even begun and already the we’re blaming the wilpons campaing has started because the guy once again WILL fail but they don’t wanna hold him accountable for his mistakes as well. the reason he was hired was to fix the financial situation of the wilpons, not to win, however, noone except a few of us saw it that way, so after 2 years of basically defending the guy and saying how great he was, those same people who were saying that are now saying it’s not his fault he’s here to fix the financial mess of the wilpons. just because he has failed big time as a GM.
• Hawl September 21, 2012 at 8:17 am

  Fans can’t leave their team, players can and I’ve arrived at the place where I can wish any player who leaves our franchise well. Why stay with Wilpon disgrace.
  It is pathetic.
  I don’t trust our FO to do the right thing involving trades, I don’t think they know how to evaluate talent. This organization needs a make over from the top and that starts with ownership. I don’t see anything changing until that happens.
  • srt September 21, 2012 at 8:54 am

    This.

    After the post season run of 2006:
    - Mets have fired 2 managers
    - Mets have fired all ML coaches (not named Warthen) more than once
    - Mets have replaced one FO
    - Mets have broken up the ‘core’ of 2006, you know the one many said we can’t win with. Only one left is Wright.
    - Mets have completely turned over the team except for Wright.

    Despite all these changes above, the Mets have steadily declined from 2006, to the point where we may very well finish in last here in 2012.

    What has remained the one constant? I’ll give you a hint: follow the money trail. All roads lead back to the Wilpons.

    We have a completely new FO, all coaches except Warthen, new team, revamped minor league organization but same ownership. Therefore, IMO there’s only one place to lay the blame.

    The Wilpons are responsible for all these changes including the epic 50 MIL slashing of payroll over the last off season.

    With the Wilpons at the helm, I don’t expect anything to change.
    • Metsie September 21, 2012 at 9:55 am

      “What has remained the one constant?”

      Inconsistency!

      They made a playoff then did as you said fired everyone and anyone at least once except Wright and Warthen. (Apparently a W in your last name gets you a plus, Maybe this is where Wilpon in to blame? He has a W in his name as well!)

      They fired staff, let players go, and many of those moves were not done for Baseball reasons!

      And despite your hatred of Wilpon he didn’t make ALL those decisions! And Money has been the excuse only the last two years!
    • TRS86 September 21, 2012 at 9:56 am

      One thing, Warthen is a replacement as well.

      However, the Mets have been able to win even with the Wilpons and be competitive with the Wilpons as the owners and when they have had money they have spent it. So while I agree if you follow the root you always get back to the owner, at this point I am tired of the blame game on any it. Blame-Beltran, Blame-Wright, Blame-Willie, Blame-Jerrry, Blame-Reyes, Blame-Omar, Blame-Terry, Blame-Sandy, Blame-The Wilpons. Still not changing anything.
      • srt September 21, 2012 at 10:37 am

        If those that hold the money clip don’t hire the best men for the job, the blame has to go back to them.

        Yes, they were willing to spend money in the early years when they bought out Doubleday. They had money to spend. Omar increased the payroll every year. He had a vision but didn’t stick to it. After the 2007 collapse and heading towards a poor Sep the following 2008, the Wilpons gave Omar a new contract. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during those conversations. What plan did Omar lay out to get the Wilpons to buy into it?

        Fast forward two years and Omar is out the door. One that leaves the Wilpons paying two GMs for two years. I still believe SA was part of the packaged deal the Wilpons took with Selig.

        SA’s number one goal was to save the team for the Wilpons. Mission accomplished.
        He’s not going to be around long enough to see a championship here. Remains to be seen if what he leaves behind in his wake is a franchise on it’s way back up, or one trying to get out from under the ruins.
        • hotstreak September 21, 2012 at 10:58 am

          “SA’s number one goal was to save the team for the Wilpons. Mission accomplished.”

          STR I totally agree:

          This is a results business. This is the problem:

          “This is a results business” To fans be competive and make us proud we are fans.

          To the owners: Resuts are the bottom line on the P&L not the field.
          “Cut my losses” because I can’t sustain 70 M losses a year.

          Well Sandy did in fact cut losses to the 25 M range. Sandy will get a bonus.
          • hotstreak September 21, 2012 at 11:01 am

            srt; I apologize for the typing error.
            • srt September 21, 2012 at 11:33 am

              No need. I understood what you were saying.

              I know my opinion on blame starts and stops with the Wilpons is not a popular one here.
              I just don’t see how it cannot be. They’re responsible for the last FO. They’re responsible for this FO. They’re responsible for being cash strapped now.

              Those minority investors they brought in only got them through the 2012 season, for the most part. That money went towards paying back the 25 MIL MLB loan, the 40 MIL bridge loan and the bonds and the like they owed on Citi April 2012. What happens going forward?

              I just see no change for 2013. Revenue was down, there are no profits to spend. Wilpons can’t or won’t invest any more of their own money.

              Unless they bring in a true money partner, I expect payroll to dip even further.

              The team could get lucky and actually compete in the next couple of years by shuffling the deck chairs and bringing up some of the prospects. If not what exactly will change? I’m just not seeing it at all.
• Metstheory22 September 21, 2012 at 8:45 am

  I put the game on and it was 8-0 already. I said ” what the heck”. I actually rewinded the game to see what happened. TV crew at start of game said Hefner might have a chance next year. After this outing he might have a chance to be in triple A at best.

  Collins looks lost, befudled and bewildered.
• Des September 21, 2012 at 8:56 am

  Clayton, stop with the pschobabble. Your not a psychiatrist so don’t claim a bad team is bad because of what is and is not between their ears. Frankly I don’t know what is worse, the slaughter of our Mets or the musings of a writer who seems to have the very illness he’s ascribing to the Mets. Buck up, Clayton.
  • Des September 21, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Your should be you’re.
• Russell Zanca September 21, 2012 at 9:36 am

  Holy Crap! Left game at start of 8th, and it was 8-1. I like Carson; hope that kids not to blame for the second Philly TD and 2-point conversion.

  Wow, if I never see that worthless POS pitcher Hef ina Mets uniform again it will be way, way too soon.

  I recall Alex68 joking with me in ST that we would lose 95 games. never wanted to believe this. Look at us–free-falling disaster. A shameful, disgrace of a team.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Russell, i predicted 69 wins, around 2 months i was taking all kinds of heat for it… which is fine, i wanted to be wrong. but boy, how the tables have turned. i might be right all along.
    • Met Fan Lou September 21, 2012 at 9:51 am

      Alex 68. When we broke spring training I said 75 wins. I analyzed the team, the competition and read the pundits and thought 75 would be a good season. You sir are a wise man. I look forward to reading your prophetic musings for the off season.
    • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 9:55 am

      mao… Lou, it is not my intention to be THIS ACCURATE.. but wow. so far i was spot on in my prediction towards the mets..
      I predicted SA will suck: HE HAS
      Mets 69 Wins: Well on the way
      DW with 20 HR and 80 RBI: a few dingers and i’m there
      Ike Davis 25+ HR: past that already.. Genius
      FFF and co were gonna suck: BRILLIANT prediction, did not disappoint
      Jeremy Hefner sucks and was not a good pick up: Ditto…

      Alex68damus for some of you from now on
• Met Fan Lou September 21, 2012 at 9:46 am

  A few comments. OK all you Mets fans who told me Wally Backman was too much of a loose cannon and would not be a good manager for the Mets. Oh yeah now we have this NO NOTHING Colllins. Good deal. Trade Wright and get what you can for him. We are not competing anytime SOON. The only thing to do now is a fan BOYCOTT to include no buying of season tickets. They weren’t spending before so it will have no affect but it will send a message from the fans. What free agent , even if we could find the money wants to come to the Mets and play for this team. First of all their agents will try and talk them out of it because all FAs want to have a shot at post season do to the fact that the money and glory happens in the post season. Look at all the endorsements Jerek Deter and Rodriguez get. Do you think that would happen on the Astros. And finally why would the Phillies pile it on in the ninth when they were up 8-1. Charlie should have told his hitters just to go and make easy contact and get out of town. This is how far we have sunk to know other teams use the Mets to fatten up their stats. So SAD!!
• chuck September 21, 2012 at 10:37 am

  First time in along time I just change the channel. They are unwatchable.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Chuck, Really?? First time?? Wow.. You’re really a true met fan. i developed Ulcer watching this put together garbage all this second half… but hey, BLAME THE WILPONS. how can the blame not start and stop with them is beyond me!
  • DMets3 September 21, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I already change the channel when they turned into a bunch of beer leaguers last months. Thank god for football.
  • Metsie September 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I stopped watching the second I saw they needed two touchdowns and a FG to win!
• Marco September 21, 2012 at 12:52 pm

  Let’s face it: ownership, management, coaches and players have disgraced this franchise, the Mets history, it’s home field and even the logo, and they have embarrassed the city and insulted every Mets fan. They should forfeit the rest of their games and leave the scene so we can have peace.
• Even Flow September 21, 2012 at 5:08 pm

  It’s games like this that makes me imagine just what the Mets clubhouse is like. I bet it’s like something out of the “Moneyball” movie with Lucas Duda dancing on the table in the clubhouse while Usher’s “Yeah!” blares and no one giving a shit.