Funny Sandy says otherwise says it was Rigney

All your quote crediting him are about Post 1991 A’s The Quotes are after 1991! Thats when Rigney was gone!

So you keep believing Sandy while in school was the architect and believe in Santa as well!

How sad is it that you must fight so hard to make 1989 a Sandy success and for no other reason than thats the ONLY success he has ever really had!

in that event, on a “club level”, Omar Minaya was pursued damn near the very second Sandy Alderson took over as Met GM…

Omar was pursued by Toronto…San Diego, Arizona, Cleveland, the Angels….and Sandy Alderson himself said he wanted to keep Omar in-house…

Cleveland –

“Omar is one of my best friends in baseball,” said [Mark] Shapiro. “He’s also friends with Chris [Antonetti] and Manny [Acta].

Arizona

Arizona Diamondbacks General Manager Kevin Towers told mlb.com in a text message that he and Minaya have talked about a possible job, which was first reported by The Wall Street Journal.

Toronto –

Minaya almost wound up working for the Jays. Minaya explained that had assistant GM Tony LaCava taken the Baltimore Orioles job, Minaya would have joined the Jays

there was a tidbit on ESPN that revealed in 2011, a handful of GM’s were calling Minaya and asking for advice on making trades near the trade deadline..

another funny and hilarious tidbit i came across…

July 2009 –

“Right now we do not envision [being a seller],” Minaya said. “If we’re 6 ½ [back] in the wild card with a couple of teams in front of us, we are still kind of trying to find out how we can improve this team, if we can improve it through trades.”

This sounds eerily like Sandy Alderson in 2011 + 2012…

basically….keep the fans interested…being a “seller” essentially will scare fans away from buying tickets next week…even if it means LONG TERM SUCCESS…

there is no reason to believe why they could not have Bay in RF this year and have Duda in LF…

again….the Sandy Alderson that relied on logic and statistical analysis is long gone…we are witnessing the Adventures in Babysitting Sandy Alderson…I said this from day 1…this guy did not want this job…Bud basically placed him here to help the Wilpons through their legal and financial issues…

Sandy on record said that Selig had to beg him to take this job…the fact that Sandy would reveal that to the press is a pretty damning statement on the relationship he has with the wilpons…I pretty much dont blame him for any of this b/c he’s not a GM right now…I would feel much more comfortable if Sandy replaced Jeff Wilpon and they had a good evaluator of talent who had great relations with agents and players throughout the league as GM ( basically someone like Omar Minaya )

Jon Daniels, Billy Beane, Jed Hoyer, Ben Cherington, Dan O’Dowd, Mark Shapiro, Josh Burns, Jerry DiPoto( Ex Met), Brian Cashman, Josh Byrnes, John Mozeliak, Theo Epstein, Neil Huntington, Walt Jocketty, Andrew Friedman, Kevin Towers are all GM’s that rely heavily on advanced statistical analysis.

The Mets are not the only team and the Mets also now employ more scouts than at any other time in franchise history which should tell you that they are a team that relies on both scouting and stat analyzing so you need to do more research about these guys and about your own team. You don’t even know how they scouted and evaluated the draftpicks they made. Brandon Nimmo was an old school draft pick based on scouting his tools across the board. he had no highschool team and no stats to analyze. The draft pick was based solely on what the scouts saw in him. Do your homework.

I always took that comment from Sandy as a co-worker acknowledging Rigney for doing a great job. He was not referring to Rigney’s talent as a broadcaster but to his involvement in EVERY player decision and thus by calling his experience with Rigney an “education” it does come across as a pupil thanking his teacher. It actually sounds like the same praise Billy Beane often gives Sandy Alderson. And with Sandy admitting he came onto the job cold, who better than a Bill Rigney-type could he ask for about the insides of the game?

That does give credence to the notion that Sandy Alderson’s settling into the job was a progression in learning and not one who by analyzing advanced statistical information was suddenly on top of making player decisions.

BTW – no matter the criticism many of us have thrown at Sandy, his tribute to Rigney does show a touch of class and respect.

How can you be an Architect when your still in school?

And this after you tried to use the Martin Firing as proof Sandy was in charge at the time….

When you make up your mind let us all know so we don’t keep on just repeating the same thing over and ovver while you come up with new line of Bull to offset OUR fatcs which you call bull on….

1st Point – “Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered ”

That was 1982. Sandy became GM in 1983

Which duties did Martin have that he took over? GM but in 1982. Sandy took over in 1983

PLAYER EVALUATIONS!

2nd Point – “Eisenhardt said Rigney will go to work for the A’s immediatly and take part in the selection of a manager to replace Billy Martin”

That was in 1982. Sandy became GM in ———————————– 1 9 8 3!

“Why didn’t Sandy do that if he was calling the shots? He was named GM of all the parts Eisenhardt didn’t take over from Martin so why wasn’t he IN CHARGE of finding the next Manager”

I’ll say it again becase Sandy wasn’t the GM in 1982. He was named GM in 1983.

“Run from it all you want I’m done!
Until you come up with some proof that Martin ran Public Relations and thats all Eisenhardt took over which you seem to suggest over and over again with little to no proof of anything you have said to date”.

I didn’t say that but it’s obvious Sir Twistalot is back in form after a day away. Never ever said Martin ran PR and never said that’s all Eisenhardt took over so there is no reason for me to run from a point I never made.

IT WAS AN EDUCATION TO SANDY!
Meaning he didn’t know HOW to do the things Rigney did for them!

1st Point – “Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered ”

Which duties did Martin have that he took over?

PLAYER EVALUATIONS!

2nd Point – “Eisenhardt said Rigney will go to work for the A’s immediatly and take part in the selection of a manager to replace Billy Martin”

Why didn’t Sandy do that if he was calling the shots? He was named GM of all the parts Eisenhardt didn’t take over from Martin so why wasn’t he IN CHARGE of finding the next Manager?

Run from it all you want I’m done!
Until you come up with some proof that Martin ran Public Relations and thats all Eisenhardt took over which you seem to suggest over and over again with little to no proof of anything you have said to date!

Sorry to see you become so very general with little detail and vague with your information.

“Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered ”

Martin handled all the Budget scouting, Player Dev, Trades and Evals….
When he left Sandy handled the Player Dev, scouting, and was the point man on trades but the Evals and Budget were made by Eisenhardt and Rigney.

Those Evals and Budget had a say in just about all those other departments. They gave Sandy the Nuts and Bolts but the design was not given to him yet he was too inexperienced yet.

And Rigney was basically his mentor and Sandy would pretty much do whatever Rigney said to do.

But if they admit that Joey then they lose 89 off Sandy’s “Track Record” and have nothing to use as thier justification for “Sandy built a winner and spent in the late 80′s”

Thanks for adding on to my own research your additional sources of information backed up by factual evidence and words by those involved as proof that the points we are making is not made up from just idle speculation.

I remember the kind words I got from many last June who said to just ignore you so I am taking their advice, along with the owner of this website citing you to get out of the gutter. So If you are looking for a personal response back, you won’t get it from me. I will just respond to the question at hand.

I beieve you have made the argument about Sandy Alderson for myself and others with your explanations. And you are right – “The man responsible for those teams is the man now running the Mets and that’s an indisputable fact”. I just wish it wasn’t so.

Eisenhardt said he was counting on Rigney to bolster the team’s player development.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19821027&id=sqMrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rvwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2503,7278997

http://newspaperarchive.com/tyrone-daily-herald/1982-10-21/page-6
Under reorganization

Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered (You suggest Martin did Marketing!)

Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19821027&id=OzgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ezIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2375,6436716
Bill Rigney who in his long baseball career has served at every level of the game, Tuesday was named as an assistant to president Roy Eisenhardt of the Oakland A’s
In making the announcement, Eisenhardt said Rigney will go to work for the A’s immediatly and take part in the selection of a manager to replace Billy Martin

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/02/21/SP186011.DTL&ao=all
After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”