Comments on: Going, Going, Gone: David Wright Edition

By: Willis

Willis — Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:37:47 +0000

I can’t think of an environment that won’t be better for Wright than the one he’s in right here.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:53:24 +0000

86 That depends on who they aquire for Wright and who they sign as free agents.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:16:43 +0000

Wright is definitely not worth 16M much less 20M for 5 or 6 years. that is super star money.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:12:20 +0000

Exactly my opinion. We could get a couple of good outfielders/

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:24:21 +0000

Metsie: I agree; Firesale is really trade Reyes and Wright. If we did that we could have been competive by the original expectation of 2014. I have said infinitum that the Rox were eager for Wright and offered Pomerantz, Wil Rosario and Wiggie. We would have filled the righty bat and a young catcher hitting over 20 hrs (more than Wright) plus we do have viable options to compete for 3B. We also would have had Pomerantz. This woulf given us manySP to choice to build a long term young rotation and the others could have been traded for young position players of the same caliber. We held on toWright too long. The Rox offer was even after DW’s back injury and down year. Reyes was in a batting title race and PR did not allow a trade so the Mets just got watered down draft picks for him. They were afraid to trade Wright after losing Reyes. With the claw back Madoff trustee lawsuit the Mets in the rebuilding mode (admit it or not) could have cut payroll even more PLUS improve the team to make 2014 the target date of being competive.. No foresight and no plan other than cut payroll and no other objective is the reason we are pushed back to 2016 and appease fans with Wright whose ship has passed here with the Mets. By that I mean DW is no longer an asset to improve to the point of being competive before 2016.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:08:37 +0000

Since 2008 he’s been better than Rollins. Let me know when Tejada averages 30 2B’s 10 3B’s 14 HR’s 30 SB’s and 93 runs and wins 3 GG’s. If he does he’ll be another Jose Reyes only with an intelligence for the game.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:47:29 +0000

Define Huge because obviously your definition of Huge is akin to a .270 or .280 Hitter!

Hell tejada must be Hall bound if thats Huge!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 05:40:44 +0000

Well 2016 is a date but only if you plan on signing Wright and just waiting for kids to get come up and fill the other holes around him. but thats not really the smart play cause your just sitting around and waiting for a Maybe not even a sure thing!

This team has Pitching and young pitching about to come up. We have an overabundance of LH Hitters Two of which have great power.
What is missing is a power RH bat to complement Wright.

Get that and you could even be competitive next year.

Thats Assuming Ike hits like he has since June.
We have been losing all these games lately by 3-1 2-0 2-1 that is an easy fix with a bat that scares someone other than Wright.

ANd then if those kids we were waiting for in 2016 do arrive, You can still trade Wright if you have a kid thats better, Or trade the RH power bat that kid can replace, or (the best scenario) replace some of those other kids who are not as good as Wright and really have a good team!

It doesn’t have to take 4 years to get this team into a playoff picture.
If the kids who should be ready before 2016 aren’t good enough to replace who we have or make us winners then those are the kids we should be trading to get someone who does so when 2016 rolls around there are Vets who make it easier for those kids to make us winners without having to all put up ROY numbers.

If we really wanted to take the slow road and rebuil then they should have had thier firesale last year and traded Wright then!
Then the kids you would have gotten wouldn’t take 4 years to improve us.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:53:23 +0000

If they could get somebody to pickup Howard and Utleys contracts they would’ve dumped them too. Victorino was huge for them every year they won the division. he was a major piece of their nucleous. He was their leadoff hitter and GG CFer. They also traded their 2 best prospects to get Pence. They threw in the towel at 14 games under 500. Howard and Utley haven’t done a whole lot during their resurgence either. They had no idea some catcher named Eric Kratz would come up and hit like Johnny Bench after Ruiz went down and had no idea Mayberry jr would go nuts after the trades. Their guys didn’t quit on their manager they played better. They have heart. Our guys don’t. They’re soft.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:21:33 +0000

He still has a near 5 ERA and has blown all of his last 3 save chances. He’s now pitching in the 7th and 8th inning rarely in a close game. 7 blown saves and 7 losses with a 5 ERA and you want that guy back? At 17.5 million no less. Beltran I loved and hated to see him go and he did do his job last year but he had 2 months to go on a team going nowhere and we got back one of the top RH pitching prospects in the game. Under the same circumstances I make that trade 100% of the time. And in case you haven’t noticed he’s playing witth a bad back and 2 sore knees and has had a terribe 2nd half. He has 13 hits and 1 HR in the last month. He’s hitting 200 since the Allstar break with 9 HR’s but only 1 of them in over a month. He would’ve fit right in with our 2nd half collapse. And Pagan was not doing his job in 2011, if he had he’d still be here. He had a 694 OPS and played the worst CF in the NL. He’s had a good May and an incredible August sandwiched around below avg months the rest of the year. Like I said we had all of those guys on the same team and haven’t had a wining season in 4 years. He dismantled a losing team. You gotta stop harping on that, he didn’t break up a 90 win team he broke up a 79 and 77 win team. Notice the Phillies threw in the towel trading away their RF, CF and number 4 starter but their players didn’t bitch or moan they fought and played better and went from 14 games under 500 to a game over 500. It’s a lack of talent that seperates us and a lack of heart and mental toughness.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:17:01 +0000

Agreed stick. I mean the Phils traded Hunter Pence, Shane Victorino and Joe Blanton for 2 High A, 2 AA, OF/Nate Schierholtz and RP/Josh Lindblom. Shierholz and Lindblom are not the reason for the Phils turnaround from what I see. Heck Pence was their HR/RBI Team leader and was not going to be a free agent at the end of the season and they traded him.

The Phils as long as they had the 3 pitchers they had would always be dangerous this year and next. The pitching specifically the starters have been among the tops in the NL these last 2 months the pen this month has the best pen era in the NL which coincidentally has also pitched the least amount of innings probably due to how well the starters have pitched.

Then you have the Brewers who only traded away Zack Greinke for 2 AA players and SS/Jean Segura. Again Segura from what I can tell is not the reason for their turnaround either. I find it hard to believe that they traded Greinke away because that gave them a better chance to win in 2012. That is just me though cause I just don’t recall reading that Brewer fans were excited about their chances this season because he was traded away.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:59:16 +0000

At that was thier fault HOW again?
This is what gets me about you guys….

If you couldn’t win with those guys then why not get rid of the scrubs who did not perform that surrounded the guys that DID!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:57:26 +0000

Yes I’m saying that!

Those guys might have been purged even if they wewre leading the Division because those gy=uys are not what makes that team go and they proved it with thier dismal performance until Utley and Howard got back and they started winning again!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:56:05 +0000

But he wasn’t thier best overall! Just best at the time because thier BIG bat was hurt and was about to come back!

As for Victorino he was not what made that team go it was Howard Utley and Rollins.

And they didn’t get rid of thier closer did they?

Make a mountain out of the Victorino molehill if thats all you have…

Point is thier GM didn’t go on TV or in front of the Media and say his team wasn’t good enough to compete!

What you think was a selloff was nothing more than a purge of guys who couldn’t do squat without Howard and Utley driving them in!

By: Joey D.

Joey D. — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:38:37 +0000

Hi Fonzie,

They were doing their job for the Mets in 2011 and are having fine seasons again this year – including KRod who had that bad stretch of four games in which you were quick to correctly point out but also has not allowed an earned run in 15 of his last 19 appearances – which you have not been so quick to point out.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=rodrifr03&t=p&year=2012

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:04:56 +0000

We had those 2 guys in our outfield and we haven’t had a year above 500 since 2008 and even with Jose and K-Rod that team never once finished above 500 as a group.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 03:02:05 +0000

At the time of the trades Pence was the team leader in HR’s and RBI’s and Victorino was a big part of their success winning 5 Diivision titles in a row. And they gave away their number 4 starter. They gave up as much as we did last year.

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:53:42 +0000

Metsie. Thanks for your reply. I think the best deal we can get from DW is 5/100M. I do not know if you agree with me that it now looks like 2016 is the earliest with DW that we could contend. For this franchise 20 M per year is enormous. If spent on international draft assuming for we follow slot guidlines on amateur draft we could help build new cornerstones for a ten year plethora of players on the farm to be developed or traded. After the extention option is exercised DW should be traded to fill holes which we know are catcher and OF. Where are we going to get the impact player Wright needs to be an effective complimentry player? Not from FA market.

By: Pete

Pete — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:24:41 +0000

Baseball needs to be a passion. The Wilpons are only passionate about the next financial swindle they can pull off. That is why the Mets trot out AA and AAA players on a regular basis. Get rich quick schemes don’t work. That’s why the Mets are embarrassments.

As for David Wright, maybe he’ll wind up on the Phillies at some point. I don’t like that team, but they don’t pack it in like the Mets do. How you can go from so far out of contention to 3 games out in the span of 3 weeks blows my mind. Maybe that will be good environment for Wright. They show grit, they win. He’s earned it. And then he can continually stick it to the Wilpons for permanently ruining the Mets. Extra bonus for him. As for us, there’s always the Cyclones. Those games are great. You can see minor league Mets in minor league surroundings, the way it was meant to be.

By: Trs86

Trs86 — Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:13:59 +0000

So are you saying you think the Phillies weren’t selling because they thought they were out of it? That if they had know they would turn it around they would have still traded Pence and Vicki? No way.