Current Mets State Illustrates Why They Didn’t Bring Back Reyes

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• Vinny B September 21, 2012 at 10:13 am

  The Mets shouldn’t have been this bad. The Mets recent play is a direct result of the lousy job this front office has done the past two years. They let three key offensive players go in Reyes, Pagan and Beltran and brought in nobody from the outside to replace their production.

  We would be so much better off right now if we had Reyes and Pagan at the top of the order. Or if they had found a way to bring in someone from the outside to replace their production – All they have done is brought in a bunch of scurbs.

  Also let’s not forget their efforts to fix the Mets bullpen which was a total disaster. The Mets have the worst bullpen ERA in the major leagues. Could you magine how much different this season would have went if we just had a DECENT bullpen?

  And don’t give me this rebulidng garbage. If your rebulding, then you sign more than half your draft picks.

  I understand it’s only two years and they didn’t come into a great situation, but in only two years they have managed to make it worse. Look at our winning percentages since 2010: .488 in 2010, .475 in 2011, and .443 this year – We are clearly getting worse, not better.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Vinny, first of all, the CORE salute you.. second of all, didn’t you know? BLAME THE WILPONS..
    • Joey D. September 21, 2012 at 12:26 pm

      Hi Vinny,

      Your words of course echo mine and I’m sure we are going to hear those from the opposite camp say it was best for the tean in the long term.

      Reyes is just one player, but the Mets not interested in re-signing him (for whatever reason) shows there is a cancer in the White House…., err, I mean Citi Field.
    • pburke September 22, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      Really….you guys have a nickname for yourselves? Thats…bizarre
  • Donal September 21, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Pagan is not a key offensive player. You want to say he’s better than Torres and Kirk? Whatever, but stop trying to build him up to something he isn’t.

    This team is bad because they aren’t very talented. This has been coming for a while. The current cold streak is because the couple of legit hitters we have are now ice cold amongst a bunch of back ups and Jason Bay.

    Jose Reyes would have been a $120MM anchor.
    • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 10:30 am

      The more reason to then trade wright for prospects right?? because he then would be a $100+ million anchor as well right donal???
      • Donal September 21, 2012 at 10:33 am

        Certainly possible.
    • Met Maniac September 21, 2012 at 10:32 am

      Pagan’s 3.9 WAR is more than every Mets outfielder put together. Things got worse, we were better with him. Come on I’m speaking your language. Don’t be such a shill.
      • Donal September 21, 2012 at 10:35 am

        My language? You know I’ve repeatedly said I don’t like to use WAR, right? But, hey, when have facts ever gotten in the way of one of your claims?

        I like how you and alex reference WAR and Fangraphs when you think it backs up your “point”, but when things like that get thrown in your face, you say a whole bunch of nasty things about them and the other person.
        • USMF September 21, 2012 at 10:37 am

          How’s this for facts

          http://www.fishstripes.com/2012/9/19/3357186/miami-marlins-jose-reyes-2012-hitting-season-recovery-consistency?ref=fangraphs
          • Met Maniac September 21, 2012 at 10:44 am

            A model of consistency! Thanks for the link!
          • Joey D. September 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm

            Great article USMF, but you know those things don’t count for anything with this front office and it’s ownership.
        • Met Maniac September 21, 2012 at 10:43 am

          Stop squirming Donal, you are such a Sandy suck-up you wont even admire getting rid of Pagan made the Mets worse. What a phony unobjective troll you’ve become.
          • USMF September 21, 2012 at 11:09 am

            Even I said that I liked the Pagan trade at the time…I’ve never been a fan of his…his attitude sucks and his defense is very over ratted.

            But sadly, Pagan has had a solid year and Ramirez and Torres are complete busts so yes, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong…It’s not that hard to do, every GM makes mistakes,

            I thought Ramirez was going to be solid and Torres was just keeping the position warm…I think that was the overall assumption by everyone…it didn’t work, but I don’t understand why people still defend bad moves?

            The problem with the Mets is, Sandy isn’t making any real moves for proven players. Everything he does is bargain basement deals on scrub players…when they fail, there is no backup plan and everything falls apart.

            I know there is no such thing as a guaranteed FA signing…look at Bay, yes concerns before the signing…but they were about his fielding and his knees…his knees and fielding have been fine…everything else as gone to sh*t. But good teams don’t curl up in the corner and cry about it….they keep going forward…trade is the can, but the don’t give up and say they can’t do any moves until their last bad one is off the books.

            Look at every team out there…especially the Red Sox and Yanks…do they give up because of a bad deal? no, they deal with it…they especially don’t keep throwing the guy into bad situations where he is going to fail. That’s what Sandy did with Bay…after two serious injuries he gives him a hand full of minor league AB’s and then throws him into the lineup and expects production? That’s gotta be the dumbest in season move by a GM I’ve ever seen.
        • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 11:10 am

          What point?? Let me put it to you this way, the same thing i think about WAR is the same i think about the desert…
          How is possible on anyone’s mind to have miguel cabrera and david wright in the same sentence??? Cabrera’s season is beyond great, DW’s season has been flush down the toilet in the second half, however they got the same “WAR”.. isn’t that pathetic??? Pagan would be the best OF on the mets right now. period.. to minimize what he’s done for a playoff team is just pathetic..
          • TRS86 September 21, 2012 at 12:10 pm

            Damn Alex, that’s harsh considering no one poked you this morning. Who are you blaming now for your poor behavior?
            • Metsie September 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm

              Didn’t you read the Memo?

              Everything is Wilpons fault these days!
          • Met Maniac September 21, 2012 at 12:14 pm

            Ironically, when me and some others blasted the Pagan trade and said Torres sucked, the counter by the Sandy apologists was not to underestimate the importance that Andres Torres went to the post season and world series.
            • Metsie September 21, 2012 at 12:21 pm

              Yep and saying the deal was a bad one without the benefit of hindsight apparently makes us a hater!

              What they fail to understand is Torres got the WS because of where he was not because of what he did!

              My Tailight goes wherever my car does but it doesn’t actually help it to get anywhere!

              And they are going again without Torres’ help!

              He was nothing but a coattail! being dragged to the world series by his pitching!
              • Joey D. September 21, 2012 at 12:36 pm

                Hi Metsie,

                That tailgate might not help one’s car to get it anywhere but it sure does help with keeping what one needs when getting there – unless one looks to get rid of their “luggage” on the way and pick up an all new wardrobe.
      • Vinny B September 21, 2012 at 11:41 am

        I mean look at the season Pagan is having:

        89 runs

        34 doubles

        14 triples

        8 homeruns

        56 RBI

        27 SB

        44 BB

        .293 BA

        567 AB’s

        I’m sure if you asked anyone who follows the Giants they would tell you that he is a key player for them. And this didn’t come out of nowhere either. In 2010 he had similar numbers.
        • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 11:46 am

          Vinny, but he makes $5 million and the mets couldn’t afford that.. so they traded him for 2 players who suck but make the $5 million he was making.. Som ehow that trade prompted people to say sandy alderson had a nice day, but it turns out he didn’t, pagan went to his norm, we got the raw end of the deal, and somehow, somehow BLAME THE WILPONS…
  • Bayonne Mets Fan September 21, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Vinny, it’s the Wilpon’s fault
• USMF September 21, 2012 at 10:29 am

  So you’re saying that a guy that get’s on base and bring excitement and scores runs and gets extra base hits and is one of the best lead off hitters in the game and is a spark plug for any team wouldn’t help out a team that has no excitement, can’t score runs, doesn’t get extra base hits and has no lead off hitter or spark wouldn’t help this team?

  I like Tejada, but he’s just not that good…he’s very one dimensional…he’s barely an “average” starting SS today. He’s had one good month and been either injured or in decline. I love the way Bobby O ripped into him because there is no reason why a kid of Rubin’s age should be tired and he’s hates how these kids and being coddled and not being held responsible for not being able to play.
• jon September 21, 2012 at 10:47 am

  These we didn’t mess up by letting Reys go articles are getting tiresome. Always a good move to let your good players leave and replace them with crap…..this is a pathetic article. Stop wasting our time with your own self – rationalization. We let the 2nd or 3rd best posiiton player we ever developed leave for nothing. Horrible front office move. And is someone really defending the Pagan trade on this blog????? Rueben Tejada is a back up on a good team, a seventh to eight place hitter on an avergae team but only on the Mets is he a “great player making us forget how good reyse is”
  • BadBadLeroyBrown September 21, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    ^^^^^^
    THIS
• JJ September 21, 2012 at 11:45 am

  In my opinion, a huge mistake was not in whether they resigned Reyes or not but that they never got anything for him. They HAD to have known what kind of money he was going to ask for!! So at that point either you give it to him or you don’t. BUT if you decide that you are not going to pay him what he was asking for, a perfectly reasonable decision, then you better make damn sure you get something.

  THEY DID NOTHING!!!! They could have gotten prospects, role players, pitching – all they had to do was pick up the phone and make some calls. INERTIA…….

  The Wilpons make Obama look like an economic genius.
  • Joey D. September 21, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    JJ,

    It might be because the Wilpons talk like Romney when they don’t know the video is going and thus what they say publicly about rebuilding might not be what they say privately. No political opinion, just using it as a reference for I can imagine them saying behind closed doors that the fans think they are victims and that they are entitled to something.

    As far as Reyes, if they traded him mid-season it would have brought out their true nature then as that unauthorized video would have now. It was to head off even more adverse fan reaction to avoid even more empty seats – even though the moves they had already done assured that.
  • Rich from Lake Como September 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    You mean the same Barack Obama who kept us out of Depression? If Barack Obama ran the country like George W. Bush or like the Wilpons run the Mets, we’d be in the Stone Age.
• Metsie September 21, 2012 at 11:50 am

  Jose reyes is one of the guys who stopped this team from playing as flat as they have in the second half.

  Say what you want about Reyes he brought an energy to the lineup and the game that has been missing all season long.

  What we are seeing now is pretty much the same as we saw all season as far as the lineup is concerned…

  Fall behind Early, hope the Pen keeps it close…
  Only difference from the first half to the second half is they stopped rallying late to tie the game!

  Remember earlier in the season we were all complaining about the lack of run scoring as well! The difference was that when they did earlier the Pen usually ruined the effort.

  Now the pen has seemed to hold or the rotation plug ins have put it out of reach so that no comeback is possible!

  Reyes used to get on base and make things happen here.
  We don’t have that spark anymore!

  But I suspect this piece is more a setup for what we are going to hear all offseason as a reason to not extend Wright and look for trades for a bundle of lottery tickets.

  Good Luck with that cause if you thought the last 25 years were bad just wait till you have to sit through the next 25!
• Joey D. September 21, 2012 at 12:57 pm

  I am quoting this from someone who commented on another blog but believe it explains the situation:

  “Problems hitting in this ballpark aside (although that doesn’t seem to bother Phillies 1Bman Mo Vaughn Jr), it makes me wonder how much these guys want to be Mets. I wonder if these guys come up to bat thinking “I come up to bat and hear crickets, a warning track out is a homerun anywhere else…but someday I’ll only have to play here a few times a year after I sign with the Diamondbacks or the Rockies or whoever.” And yes, who can blame them, except I think most people, if they were in a line of work where the minimum starting salary was nearly half a million and were employed by an organization that paying customers were so passionate about, they’d bust their butts and disregard the fact that the boss is an a-hole.”

  I know, spirit and chemistry comes from winning but winning also comes from spirit and chemistry. If there is no spirit and chemistry coming down the front office to be shared with the players, it certainly can be reflected further onto the field.
• BadBadLeroyBrown September 21, 2012 at 3:11 pm

  “Current Mets State Illustrates Why They Didn’t Bring Back Reyes”

  So if that is the case then, it should also mean……..

  “Current Mets State Illustrates Why They Shouldn’t Bring Back WRIGHT”
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  Also…..

  “With the way the Mets are heading, by the time they are competitive again Reyes will be on the downside of his career.”

  It should also mean…

  “With the way the Mets are heading, by the time they are competitive again DAVID WRIGHT will be on the downside of his career.”
  ————————————————————————————————————————

  Especially since Wright seems to have already started his downward spiral. The fences are moved in, he is years removed from the concussion and gazoo helmet and his isnt playing injured (back). So what are the excuses now? Reyes hasnt shown decline yet he has been healthy all year and more than likely that trend will continue playing in warm Miami and we got rid of him. So it only makes sense to part with Wright as well, but this time hopefully we receive something in return.
  • Alex68 September 21, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Which is what i said to donal up in the comment above… But no, somehow the mets HAVE TO SIGN wright… as it we won anything with him.

    Leroy, good luck trying to get those people (specially John D who’s a wright big time supporter) to admit that about wright..
    • BadBadLeroyBrown September 21, 2012 at 6:39 pm

      Alex,

      I wouldnt even waste my time trying to convince him nor them. Those type of fans place their fandom for Wright over that of the teams.

      All I was attempting to do was highlight the fact that all the reason he stated we shouldnt have kept Reyes correlate with why we shouldnt keep Wright. If anything it is more reason not to keep Wright since we are far worst now, than we were then when we had Reyes.
• jerseymet September 21, 2012 at 3:27 pm

  BBLB you ask a fair question. David Wright deserves to play for a winning team.