Both you guys gave me a chuckle with your analogies and I’d like to share them with you.

Metsie, when you talked about a mirror image, remember the Three Stooges episode when there was a wolfman in the hotel and a woman screamed at Curly yelling out “wolf, wolf”? Of course, there is a BROKEN MIRROR in which the wolfman stood behind of and when Curly went to take a look to be sure he really wasn’t so frightening to look at…., well, you can guess he was shocked and couldn’t believe that was his mirror image! He even said “that can’t be me!”

Des, on the old Adam West Batman series, Liberace himself played the role of the world’s greatest concert pianist – he was actually perfect. Bruce and Dick are listening to a radio broadcast of him while camping in the woods – taking a break from being Batman and Robin. Not knowing that Liberace was also a crook, the pianist purposely hit one wrong key – and with that, both Bruce and Dick realized something had to be terribly wrong for that to occur that called for Batman and Robin!

BTW – my brother did study music at Juliard Prep and the Manhattan School of Music and can pick up on those things. He once pointed out the mistake he heard of one orchestral woodwind player starting his passage one bar too soon and quickly stopping. I was unable to pick it up until several plays later, but who else would have even noticed?

But as far as Sandy, I still think the Mets are in the stage of getting their economic house in order and that is where the primary focus is of Sandy at this point. So IMHO this period in time one cannot be judged for the way baseball matters are being handled on an overall basis.

Holy Mortgage Payment, Nyuck, Nyuck!

A comparison of Sandy to a performing classical pianist has much to recommend it. Nowadays, consumers want the pianist to be ‘note perfect.’ We have digital tools to help support our opinions. Yet years ago, the greatest performer in the recent century, Vladimir Horowitz, was hardly note perfect while he ran the keyboard. Even so, his performances were legendary. He produced great recitals. The goal of Sandy is to be effective in the roles assigned to him by whomever — Fred or Bud. So despite the endless rhetoric and cross-barbs here on MMO, the Sandy story is developing and has not yet been completed. I don’t give a hoot if what he said on an unscripted interview in September matches perfectly with his thought three month earlier. Why would anyone care? Give the man the space his challenge demands. Otherwise you’ll be disappointed.

I hope you know I was not accusing you and Jessep of being cyber-bullies since you both have the tougher skin to go at it with each other in that manner and are sensitive enough not to apply that principle to others who don’t.

That is not the behavior of cyber bullies but of two heavyweight champions going after each other in battle….., I think!

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Remember the point I made – Metsie and others seem to have an understanding that they will punch it out with each other so what they do back and forth to each other is fair game for they all are abiding by the same rules. Jessep has it out with Metsie and even though Metsie and I basically are in agreement with things, Jessep doesn’t address me in the same manner he does Metsie because he understands the difference between the two of us regarding how we like to address things.

That is different than one making personal and humiliating attacks at another who does not want to participate in that kind of behavior and instead just wants to participate in a polite debate and disagreement. The link I provided specifically points that out as a characteristic of cyber bulling.

The bottom line is again, your behavior has nothing to do with the New York Mets. Unlike Jessep and Metsie, they know what is and isn’t fair play depending upon the individual. You are not the only one guilty of this – there are many. And we can all be guilty of hurting other’s feelings, intentional or unintentional, but in those are cases of it being the exception and not the rule, as it it is too when one is put into a position to respond in such manner – another point brought out by that link.

Giving you a taste of your own medicine!
Speaking to you the way you speak to others!
Fighting Fire with Fire!

No need to add anything, you are making the case for cyber-bullying splendidly on your own.

I hope you take the opportunity to read the attached so to recognize your behavior has absolutely nothing to do with the New York Mets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying

Hi Fonzie,

No, I went out and found something much more appropriate to the conversation instead about “Mr. North Jersey, USMF, Vinny B. – Thank you for debating with class and not going into the gutter ever” followed by ” Fonzie – Follow Vinny, MNJ and USMF’s examples. Everyone else, my apologies.”

Yes, I am serious. This is the full post – from the sole owner of the website:

“Joe D August 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Damn, almost a half hour of my Sunday sifting through 130 comments mostly about arguing semantics or refusing to give one person credit while taking it away from another.

Mr. North Jersey, USMF, Vinny B. – Thank you for debating with class and not going into the gutter ever. Thank for also agreeing to disagree and ending your disagreement on positive notes.

Maniac – You have your email now.

Metsie, Jessep, Fonzie – Follow Vinny, MNJ and USMF’s examples.

Everyone else, my apologies.”

- to which you replied then as you do now:

“Fonzie13 August 26, 2012 at 2:25 pm
What do you mean Joe? There were no insulting comments at all from me or Jessep.”

It’s a shame that you can’t see this in yourself and that it came to the point that someone in charge had to tell you to follow others by not going into the gutter.

This is my take on the whole question of how those on MMO should deal with each other. If the parties involved agree to fight it out with each other using insulting personal remarks directed at the other, than that is fair. If one does not want to participate on that level, and has stated it repeatedly, that is more than just unfair – it is vicious.

As I always say…Garbage in…Garbage Out!

Thanks again for pointing out that I wasn’t making a claiming but following up on Sandy’s own words as provided by Joe D. But in fairness to Des, at least he said the same about sandy by adding the rider “At least that is what Sandy claims he said”.

But this discussion furthers the evidence that being an analytical type cannot turn an inexperienced individual into a decision making baseball professional for, if anything, his emphasis on a declining PPPA shows Sandy’s shortcomings with an inability to recognize the focus has to be on the artistic side and not the statistical one. Sandy did not talk about it terms of individuals but it in terms of a “team” approach. I am sure if he did a study of that stat he would find some hit better with a higher PPPA and others with a lower one.

Because of that, one should allow the individual to be coached in a manner according to his individual talent. In fact, the whole question of the PPPA in relation to a team is irrelevant except on the damage that can be caused when enforced as a team approach. We’ve seen that with the example I provided regarding Ike Davis.

As far as Ike not being sent down, someone in that group had to initially think the easiest thing would be to just send him down. It wasn’t Terry Collins, at least according to what the manager said. It would be surprising if the one who analyzes stats was the one who didn’t want him shipped out – wouldn’t it?

What people don’t seem to understand (and Joey has tried to point out to those who reply with nothing more than vitriol) is Sandy is NOT a baseball evaluator even he does not claim that as his strength.

He relies on his Baseball advisors and back in the day he had a good one in Rigney but since he died Sandy has relied on guys who are just not any good at it!

And when the wrong decisions are made it isn’t so much that Sandy screwed up other than to go with the guys who don’t know any better!

Those guys were WRONG about Ike and Sandy went against them and won!
Maybe he should think about that before he tries to upgrade that bullpen a third time in a row considering how well his BASEBALL ADVISERS advised him the previous two times!

Truth is you were one of the few that agreed with whoever it was that wanted to send him down…

I have an article on record stating otherwise!

“SA deserves the credit for not sending him down because he listend to his subordiates opinions and ultimately made the correct decision.”

Exactly. If nothing else, it was Sandy taking the advice of others to formulate his decision. Which is also a point a few of us make about Sandy being the face or spokesperson of the club and not necessarily the one directing it from the top.

If that is so, then I am confused about one thing. Why did Sandy refer to the drop in that PPPA? Wouldn’t such a factor then be irrelevant as Metsie has pointed out?

Oh, by the way Fonzie, you were once asked by the owner of this blog to rise above the level of the sewer. Guess you are still working on it.