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2012
Young & Olson Torched In 13-0 Loss To Marlins
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Chris Young had by far his worst outing of the season, and a struggling bullpen as well as a lack of offense sealed the Mets fate in their 13-0 loss on Wednesday
Game Recap
Chris Young was absolutely obliterated today, going four and one-third innings allowing seven runs on seven hits with three home runs in his outing. Young walked three and fanned four, but Young just didn’t have it today and the free-swinging Marlins capitalized on some poor pitch location. If Young has another poor start, the possibility of Jeremy Hefner and Young swapping rotation spots on an opponent by opponent basis is impossible.
The bullpen was overworked today, with Ramon Ramirez and Jeremy Hefner combining for two and two-third innings, allowing no hits, walking one and striking out two. After Hefner however, things got ugly. Garrett Olson went one-third of an inning allowing four runs on three hits while walking one. Not a great way to make a Mets debut Garrett. Manny Acosta went two thirds of an inning, giving up a hit and striking out one. Frank Francisco came out for mop-up duty, and was not very good – like two runs on two hits with a strikeout in one-third of an inning bad. Josh Edgin was forced into the game and pitched two-thirds of an inning, striking out one.
Poor, poor pitching day. Not much else to say…unless some offense would come.
Which it didn’t. The Mets managed five total hits, two by David Wright, but did draw six walks lead by Ruben Tejada. Tejada also had a throwing error, his ninth overall error on the year. This was just a bad game, that got out of hand uncontrollably fast.
On Deck: The Mets will finish the series at 12:10 tomorrow, sending R.A. Dickey to the mound against Josh Johnson.
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NL East Standings
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 25 | 18 | .581 | - |
| Nationals | 23 | 21 | .523 | 2.5 |
| Phillies | 21 | 23 | .477 | 4.5 |
| Mets | 17 | 24 | .415 | 7.0 |
| Marlins | 12 | 32 | .273 | 13.5 |
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I can’t tell you how much it irks me that a guy that can’t break 85 on the radar gun, and isn’t a knuckleballer, is actually on a major league roster. He was basically throwing batting practice.
Mitch, they should’ve dealt him while they had the chance. No, this is not just saying it after the fact, it’s the fact that Young has been all over this season and people were hoping he’d stay strong.
You know I sure didn’t say that after the fact! LOL
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/07/what-are-we-willing-to-give-up-in-a-trade.html
mitch — Having seen Tommy John, Preacher Rowe and Tom Glavine win a lot of games, it’s evidence that some pitchers can’t break a pane of glass but still be great. As a fan, I’m a bit concerned that Chris Young might be in early stages of another injury.
I hear you…just one of my pet peeves.
None of those guys relied on pitching in the high zone!
Young lives upstairs and if he doesn’t get it up there he gets rocked!
Thats why he is never able to get past the 6th inning with regularity.
He might start off good and then as he gets tired the ball drops to the hittable zone and since it is up it gets crushed!
It’s as good as a hanger!
Hey DES, my Dad took me to my first MLB game ever at Ebbits Field and Preacher Rowe was the Dodger pitcher. When he was taken out of the game he was so mad he threw his glove into the stands at 95 mph. Remember it like it was yesterday.
Heybatter — Thanks for your poignant comment. Old Number 28 was an idol for me. He was damn good. By the way, after the Dodgers deserted Brooklyn for Tinsel Land, I was on the field at Ebbets Field as part of a game. The field was great but the locker room seemed straight out of the Middle Ages. Yet it was a thrill.
Front office quit on its own players.Players now have quit on their manager.Turn out the lights.The season is over.The sad part is most of these players and all of the front office will be back next year.
I get the impression that the F.O doesn’t care what happens. I have not seen many fans at Citi Field, so I can only think his statement about “changing perceptions” is just another toothless quote. What has he done to show that he cares about the New York Mets? Whether his inaction is to save money for the Wilpons or just general lack of indifference I cannot tell.
I just wish the GM, who I’ve shown a tremendous amount of patience towards, SHOWED the fans EXACTLY what it is he wants to accomplish. Want to build the future, cut off the dead wood. Letting Batista stay as long as he did was bad. Paying Jason Bay $18 million to be a weak platoon hitter is even worse. For just the basic minimum the Mets could be trialing a prospect in his place, someone who doesn’t look so badly beaten down.
Sandy Alderson is definitely not showing us any type of game plan other than he’s a front-row bystander.
Olsen has an ERA of 108.00 welcome to the show.
Score at the end of the game was 13-0, so what was the score at half-time?
This is discouraging. We’re not hitting and our pitching staff is becoming unglued. But it can only get better, I think.
If you’re focused on just the next game, you’re more than likely correct: It will get better. If you’re talking the rest of the season, I can only imagine it will slowly get worse.
Miami, now that they’ve cleared some of their dead wood, may pass us as our old rotting wood isn’t getting replaced. I can only imagine the players’ outlook is getting more and more grim.
Who knows, the Phils may eventually pass the Mets to make all of those “expert” opinions, in terms of where the Mets would end up, true. Sadder yet, the Phils dumped lots of rotting wood and now re-stocked their farm, whereas the Mets did nothing.
Many here are trying to claim that the spending was dumb and what led the Marlins astray…
Truth is they picked the wrong Manager. a guy who was as volitile as his converted 3B is and would not be the typoe of guy who could straighten out a guy like Hanley and motivate a group of high priced Vets properly.
Metsie — Horsfeathers! Most MMO folks wanted Wally — yet you gripe about Terry, who has been terrific.
+1 to Des for using the word horsefeathers. Well done.
Maniac — Thanks for correcting my spelling. Every little bit helps.
Exscuse me? You living in your Bizzarro world again where up is down and backwards is straight ahead?
I have done nothing but PRAISE and defend Terry this year!
I blame the GM who left him crap and worse crap to work with!
My statement was in regards to the Marlins as proven by:
“would not be the typoe of guy who could straighten out a guy like Hanley”
Try reading before you make a fool of yourself next time!
Metsie — Every once in a while you hit the bullseye. But often you don’t. This time you did. Mea culpa. (P.S.: Why do you act so angry? Lighten up.)
This game just sucks.
Young was throwing BP out there tonight and who is Eovaldi that the Mets now can’t score 1 run off him? Yesterday no hits after the 5th by the Mets offense and today just 1 hit after the 5th. Johnson on the hill tomorrow or rather later today looking for a sweep. Need Dickey to stop this losing streak though it may take him pitching a shutout at this point and even then I can see it 0-0 in the 10th.
Young was this FO excuse for ‘”extra” pitching help in organization.
They, FO, did not have sufficient pitching depth in minors and then forced TC to over use Byrdak then have him take the blame when all they gave him was a “supposed” LH specialist in Ramirez.
Terrible game, no effort that I could see, I watched maybe two minutes and then saw how Young had imploded then turned it off because I had enough punishment after that lack of effort affair in Sand Diego on Sunday.
Well first off Davis is no protection for Wright.
Valde should be either leading off or batting 2nd.
Torres is useless all that speed and he can’t cover CF? WTF!
We should use a Pitcher as a PH before we go to jason Bay!
This team has showed some fight in the past and could hae come back from the 3 Young gave up.
But giving up 4 more in the 5th they simply took the rest of the day off!
Well, what can i say that i haven’t said in the second half this season? It’s clear the mets players have given up and will now just wait for the season to be over. it’s a shame, this team was playing really good, but apparentely not good enough to make it better or stronger.. didn’t get better for the future, didn’t move the players we needed to move to see what we will have for the future either, this season, for the past entire month, has just spiraled out of control.
I hate to say this our best player just may be Jason Bay. Why? Well he’s on the bench now and can’t do any harm to us like the nine guys who take the field.
When 2014 finally gets here and this is still a team with no outfielders, no catchers, no second basemen and no ace and no championship caliber baseball, I sincerely do hope it’s the end of this moneyball express we’ve been on. I sincerely hope Alderson and his entourage move onto another MLB team where their talents are more suited. Maybe Kansas City.
K Maxx: now how do we move on with the Wilpons still owning the club. They are so consumed with this Bernie Madoff crap, Sterling Partners and making money that the Mets are just a pain in the ass to them. In other words , “oh yeah we own this club, let Sandy take care of it but don’t give him more than 70 mil a year, ready for our tee time boys?’ The Wilpons are not baseball people but they don’t care. Notice how Jeff and the old man keep their mouths shut, because what can they say? No the Mets will be one CRAPPY team as long as they own it.
Well one correction…the gave him 93Mil to build a team with.
Second, We can keep insisting that the Wilpons put handcuffs on them because they are old news and we are tired of them and we have only had 2 years to get sick of Sandy.
But there is not one thing that convinces me at all that if Wilpon gave Sandy an open checkbook he would use it!
In two years the only deal Sandy has made that has any impact past 2013 is Wheeler.
We have a ton of prospects that everyone says are not the answer but yet they are the only Answers Sandy has come up with to any question being asked and instead of trading them off for better answers to try he has held onto them and just keeps shuttling them between here and Buffalo to appear like he is doing something.
He could have traded Young, Hairston, Byrdak earlier for something that might have helped if not this year then next but asked for the moon. And while everyone says in defense “How do you know he isn’t making calls” when you ask for a top prospect for Hairston not many people will take your call knowing how insane you are when negotiating.
You can’t act like you got the goods and play hardball when all you havs is softballs.
You can’t try and squeeze water from a rock from the rest of the league and then complain that everyone else’s price is too high!
It wouldn’t matter if he was working for the Yankees and had thier checkbook because this guy does not like to spend money EVER! Never has and never will!
He thinks player Salaries should be what they were back in 1992 and that any veteran he has is worth three prospects because those are the deals he always got in the past.
This game and the way the front offices deal has past this guy by!
he is an anachronism from the days where teams were all still trying to find some way to get around the fact they got socked with a lawsuit by Curt Flood and Free Agency was forced upon them.
Just as a player gets past his prime when the game evolves the game has evolved past Alderson and until he gets it through his head that the days of Moneyball doesn’t work for anyone!
Spending nothing hasn’t helped a single team that has tried it except for the fact they they lose so many games they eventually get to pick at the top of the draft for the cream of the crop every year for a decade and then manage to crawl out from the cellar enough to start spending if they are smart (See Washington).
You could give this guy a 200 Mil budget and he would still come in around 80-110 mil at most because thats what he thinks should get the job done!
Maybe it should but it sure doesn’t work if the other teams you play against don’t limit thier options the way you do!
Hi Metsie,
“he is an anachronism from the days where teams were all still trying to find some way to get around the fact they got socked with a lawsuit by Curt Flood and Free Agency was forced upon them.”
So well put.
“the game has evolved past Alderson and until he gets it through his head that the days of Moneyball doesn’t work for anyone!”
When did the days of Moneyball ever work? Certainly not in Oakland during his tenure (their payroll during those championship seasons were in the top half and when he was in charge of player moves Oakland fell to below .500 and remained there) nor with Billy Beane (those early 2000 clubs mostly consisted of players who were not yet eligible for free agency – those who did like Giambi and Damon left and others were sent off – but with that outstanding pitching staff still under contract, Oakland could afford to lose that run production). I don’t think Moneyball ever really succeeded nor created something new and novel – many teams went after good players instead of the marquee ones that were available – only Sandy it seems went after those at Walmart.
It could be argued that it worked for the Marlins but the key difference for them was they had a front office who knew good talent when they saw it, went after it when they had the money traded the money guys they had for lots of good prospects who were then used to turn the team around quickly.
A very good GM can make a good team without spending a lot but if all you do is look at the price and not the players instead you will fail.
This is what killed Oakland and the Pirates when they tried it.
Moneyball is fine provided it’s a temporary restructuring of your organization. You sell off everyone you have within a year with the idea being if you get good players back you can be back to where you started in 3 years.
Here the plan is a 4 or 5 year plan. Basically the only improvement anyone can point to here was Harvey who was ALREADY here, Wheeler who we got for Beltran and lots and lots of hope regarding Nimmo.
By the time they fix what is an issue now there will be a whole slew of new issues that won’t be addressed because we are sitting on our hands waiting for something to drop from the sky in time to make 2014 good.
Marlins didn’t make thier goals too far in advance! And they met thier goals!
Not going to happen here because by the time thier target year arrives they will be fired for playing to crickets!
Moneyball was overrated. People forget how stacked those Athletics teams were…the pitching staff consisted of Barry Zito (2002 Cy Young Winner), Mark Mulder, and Tim Hudson who were affectionately known as the “Big 3.” Let’s put it this way, if Beane didn’t win the division with those three guys he should’ve lost his job. By the way, the closer was Billy Koch, and it gets even better… The A’s had Miguel Tejada (2002 AL MVP), Eric Chavez, Jermaine Dye, Ray Durham, and David Justice all in their lineup. So was the success of the A’s due to sabermetrics being used to add a few players that nobody even remembers from the team, or the fact that everything came together for the A’s due to great player development? And if you thought the 2002 pitching staff was scary, the 2003 & 2004 A’s added a young Rich Harden to the mix. How did the Athletics manage to never win a World Series with those guys on their pitching staff?
Nice! You must be new here? Either way, the CORE salutes you.
The same way the phillies havent won with what many thought could be the best rotation we’ve seen in a long time….anything can happen in a playoff series.
Were the cards in 06 a better team than mets? Of course not. But they won 4 games so it erases everything a team accomplished in 162….
Missing totally the point that if Utley, Howard and Halliday don’t get hurt they probably are right at the top of the Division!
You can’t GM away injuries!
If you think you can then start hanging Sandy for his inability to GM them away!
No. You are missing the point. The argument was oak not winning a title with their pitching staff. The phils had halladay lee hamels oswalt and didnt win.
Anything can happen in a best of 5 or 7. The mets could be red hot and take 3 out if 5 from texas. Does that wipe away everything texas did in 162? You cant ignore 162 games and act like it doesnt matter.
Oakland didnt get it done in short series…that doesnt mean u just ignore what they accomplished
But, oakland was up 2-0 in two of those short series and could not win them… also, they managed to go to an ALCS, which is a long series and didn’t win either.. Not sure i get your point either…
Yeah well maybe if they didn’t trade thier good hitters away for kids they might have won with the pitching they had!
Your example of Philly is so off I don’t even know where to begin…
They would not be where they are today if Howard, Utley and Halladay didn’t get hurt.
And they fell one game short the same way the Oakland team did!
Because they too spent all thier effort on the Pitching instead of upgrading the Hitting they lost when they let Werth go!
Try reading what I say and not judging it just because I said it.
The Phils had Halladay-Lee-Hamels-Oswalt… pegged by many with good reason as the greatest rotation in many many years, maybe even in the last 30+ years.
They didn’t win. Having the best team or best staff doesn’t always mean you will win it all. The fact they didn’t win has 0 to do with Utley and Howard getting hurt in 2012. Because you’re talking about today, I’m talking about the past.
The question was
“How did the Athletics manage to never win a World Series with those guys on their pitching staff?”
My reply is that the same way the Phillies didn’t win with the greatest staff many of us have ever seen.
And ignoring the fact stated isn’t helping you!
Why didn’t they win?
Utley only played in 103 games
Polanco only in 122
Victorino only 132
They had pen issues!
Thats why they didn’t win….
And no having the best team and the best staff doesn’t always mean you win…
But that doesn’t mean craeting the worst and cheapest team is a good idea either!
What do their regular season game totals have to do with not winning in the playoffs?
“And no having the best team and the best staff doesn’t always mean you win…
But that doesn’t mean craeting the worst and cheapest team is a good idea either!”
What does that have to do with the topic brought by Mitch which was how Oakland didn’t win a title with the best pitching staff?
Typical that of everything he said thats the only thing you decided to talk about….the LAST sentence!
@jeesep I understand anything can happen in the playoffs…just pointing out the As had a really good team and it wasn’t necessarily due to moneyball. I was saying the team had the talent to win a world series and it wasn’t due to moneyball.
Good Point Mitch…
Truth is they had a pretty good MiL system left over from before they started trading Good Players Wholesale!
Most of those guys Beane eventually traded were in the system.
Marlins had a pretty good MiL system at the time they had thier firesale as well.
Building from within is hard because you need to have one or two phenominal drafts all come up and be ready around the same time. Lots of losing can get you that eventually as you build a pretty good and competent base and thehn two good drafts and you have a team!
To have that MiL system and then sell off some top players for another 3 or 4 kids that can be ready the same time as your current system will be can lead to things like the Marlins and even to some degree the limited success the A’s had.
But if you don’t stop the Moneyballin and continue to get rid of your best players for bushels of kids at some point you run out of good players to get quantity with and the kids you get don’t pan out leaving you with nothing!
Great post, Mitch.
Well said, Mr. Petanick.
I like how “we” say it did nothing but you can ask brian cashman, joe torre, jon daniels, andrew friedman, theo epstein and they would all tell you that what oakland did changed the game.
I will respectfully take their views over yours when it comes to whether their philosophy did anything positive.
I also like how everybody here who hates beane jumped all over him with his trades etc. What is their record right now again?
Stop acting like what they did wasnt impressive. It was so impressive that it changed the way front offices are constructed, how players are evaluated and who gets gm jobs. That is a fact, you can deny or downplay all you want but i will look to the experts listed above who will tell you that is what happened.
what oakland did changed the game”
Uhhh? what exactly changed??? How teams drafted? How players undervalued kept getting signed? what did they do? Ever since thatmoneyball era took over (in which those 3 and 4 good/great pitchers were dominating and Giambi and Tejada were juiced the F*** up) the A’s have been irrelevant…
And funny you mentioned Oakland record, they are 60-51 now.. However, you picked them to finish the season Last in the division, and about a month and half ago, you didn’t even mentioned them…
they are playing out of their mind.. since being 26-35 they have been 35-16 including 17-8 since the ASB. give them credit, but don’t slurp as if you saw this coming
Your reply only proves you dont understand so save your efforts and dont reply again. Thanks
But there are also other “experts” who agree with “us”. Like Ron Washington(who was with the A’s during the time) and Tony LaRussa.
No. You’re not talking about what I am. You are not talking about player eval and front office makeup. If beane was never gm in oakland, prolly half the mlb gm’s would be working elsewhere. That has nothing to do with two managers quotes. Btw both mgr’s had sabr gm’s ir scouting directors so go figure.
So what if some teams want to copy his theory? That wasn’t Mitch’s point. The point was the main reason why the A’s were good because of good scouting and player development, and not “moneyball”.
You can’t win without good scouting and player development, but you can win without “moneyball”. You see teams win without it all the time. The way you build a team still hasn’t changed – You build from the ground up.
And the way you evaluate players hasn’t changed much either – You think before the book, nobody thought it was important to have players that go on base? Come on.
You got my point Vinny…this discussion has inspired my next metsmerized article
What they did was take advantage of a situation where they had a ton of young guys that played like All-Stars that weren’t making big money. All they had to do was add a few guys via moneyball, to compliment these stars.
LOL this is why everyone says your a Moneyballer!
Cause your always the first in line to defend it whenever it gets taken to task and it’s inefficiencies are exposed!
You know you can’t goosestep your way to the podium, say Hitler was right and then later claim your no Nazi!
But I digress…Onto your other bad habit of taking a quote out of context and twisting it to mean what you want other than what it is!
Yes the book Moneyball (not the philosophy) changed the way the game is run but thats because it exposed Sabermetrics to the league, not the Moneyball aspects and you have said before Sabers are different than moneyball!
Truth is Moneyball didn’t really use sabers much at all it ignored the top of the Sabermetric list and went for guys who were on it who didn’t cost much!
Oakland thought OBP was the important thing to have but they didn’t go after the top guy in OBP they went after the guy who would up around 20th or even 30th on thier list because they threw out any player from the list who cost too much!
Sure lots of teams use Sabers but they all skip the part where you throw away the top earners because they cost too much!
Both Boston and Yankees have high payrolls which makes your statement that MONEYBALL changed the game just another twist of the tounge in order to defend a strategy you love and wish to see implemented here!
Irony is these A’s are anti-Moneyball club. .303 on-base % is 2nd-lowest in AL. And they’re tied for 3rd in AL in stolen bases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO! Alex, that’s hilarious. So much for the Moneyball sequel! I guess “luck” is the new market inefficiency.
And you know why that is Alex? (I have said it a million times)
Because when you go for High OBP instead of High BA the Batter is incapable of maintaining those numbers for you because the majority of what you went for was the product of someone other than the batter himself! Namely the Pitcher who can reduce a guy’s OBP merely by throwing strikes and playing to his low BA!
High OBP is no substitute for High BA! High BA automatically means High OBP!
So if they had simply gone for the High BA they would have gotten the high OBP and maybe more!
Getting on base doesn’t require skill. Hitting a ball to get on base does!
And if you do that good enough the Pitcher will take his chances on walking you more as a result.
Because unless the bases are loaded a walk does not get awarded an RBI!
I enjoyed reading your comments.Very insightful and certainly convinced me as the days go by we can never win with this front office and TC as manager. So what happens next. Do we see an average attendance of 8-10000 loyal fans a game or I remember going to Braves games when they were awful and they announced the attendance at 1200 fans. It could happen. By the way our announcers last night sounded as dead as the team and just as depressed.
Bottomline here Lou is I don’t like the Wilpons anymore than anyone else does…
But thier history suggests they will do as the GM advises them to do without a lot of tampering.
Did they set a short budget? Perhaps, but perhaps the GM who advises them told them there was no sense in spending any more than they are because as has been said time and time again, we are not ready (Thier Opinion not mine) to work to make a competitive team.
We all talk about the deadline and who would be sellers but you know there are lots of deals that could have been made that didn’t require a team to be a seller or have given up on it’s season to get a deal done that could have helped.
For Instance we knew going into the season we were lefty heafty in the lineup. Is Sandy suggesting he didn’t realize this? Couldn’t find SOME TEAM who needed a lefthanded bat who was willing to part with a right handed bat that can hit better than Jason Bay?
That there was not at least ONE reliever in the MLB or Minors who had an ERA below 4.0 we could have traded for?
That when Pelfrey went down there wasn’t at least one starter we could have gotten thqat was better than Batista, Hefner and Schwinden?
I’m not sure how broke the Wilpons may or may not be all I know is they didn’t lose a lot of money with Madoff cause they got sued to get money back which means they got more than anyone claims they had lost!
And the SNY is a joint venture, sure they took a load for thier stake in SNY but that loan is small potatoes where a TV network is involved. Time Warner put up most of the money to start it. And it has been profitable much earlier than most TV Networks usually are!
As for the Stadium again if they didn’t lose money on madoff the loan is no worse to them now than it was when they took it!
What IS hurting them is attendance which would not be so bad if the GM didn’t step up to a Microphone in the second week of July and cry “No Mas!”
Tell everyone this team isn’t worth trying to improve this year which is akin to saying this team isn’t worth going to see the rest of the year either to the fanbase!
And I bet if for some reason (Like a jet engine falling from the sky and hitting him in the head causing amnesia) Sandy said to the Wilpons I want to buy this guy @ 18 Mil because I think he can help us get to the playoffs I guarantee Wilpon would say go ahead!
But Sandy has never said that to Wilpon and more than likely said just the opposite!
Nah don’t spend it’s not worth it!
Hi Lou,
So correct. The problem extends way beyond Sandy Alderson to the Wilpons definately wanting to hold on to the prestige – and profit – of being the owners of the New York Mets.
Well, the prestige has been long gone and so have the profits. Neither will come back as long as this franchise operates on a vision of rebuilding from the bottom.
How much further do we go till with hit bottom? It feels we’ve already been there.
Sandy Alderson is only looking after the long-term interests of the owners. They have tremendous debt due to loans taken out to 1) buy the remaining interests from the Doubledays, 2) pay back SNY for loans against dividends, 3) building Citi Field and 4) who knows how many in their other holdings under Sterling Equities.
It will take time to pay off those loans.
While they do have a lot of revenue coming in from being majority owners of SNY and sharing in merchandising, they also have dried up revenue from 1) the loss of a half billion investment with Madoff, 2) the stoppage of the roughly 16% annual dividends received from Madoff which offset any losses they might have incurred, 3) the obvious loss of revenue from low attendance and 4) charging much less for ticket prices (though made up somewhat with those expensive processing fees).
So who knows how much the revenue really is and how much it goes to paying off loans.
In time, they will be able to balance themselves but that means produing an inferior product and alienating fans whom I believe most feel like I do – total resentment. I understand the business aspect of all this and how long it would take for Wilpons to straighten themselves out to begin re-investing in the team to win back fan support, but they have done so much damage in other ways – i.e., the way they built Citi Field, appealing to those with money to spend with the average fan being an afterthought plus the lies and BS in their public statements which everyone sees through.
And that includes the “vision” of the front office. As we have seen so often, one cannot rely on a farm system producing so many pieces of the puzzle along with acquiring mostly old, bargain basement players (some injured) like Young, Carasco, Capuano, Torres… the list goes on and on.
The “vision” is just to keep the ship afloat until the Wilpons get their financial act together. What they don’t seem to realize is that these measures (including the hiring of Sandy as pressured by the Commissioner) are just delaying the inevitable sale of the team for down the road they won’t have much to salvage.
The “vision” is just to keep the ship afloat until the Wilpons get their financial act together. What they don’t seem to realize is that these measures (including the hiring of Sandy as pressured by the Commissioner) are just delaying the inevitable sale of the team for down the road they won’t have much to salvage.
This.
The perfect storm that led to all things as they stand now with the team. I very much believe going forward not much will change as long as the Wilpons own this team. Sure, we could have had a different FO that made some different moves that maybe would have lead to 5 more or so wins this season. But an historical 50 MIL payroll slash is steep. I see nothing that remotely indicates the Wilpons are doing more than holding onto this team by the skin of their teeth.
If the vision is to keep the team afloat then he has already failed!
Attendance as of today is up only 56 seats per game and it’s going to drop the further they get out of the playoff picture.
With the GM openly saying this team is not good enough to try and salvage a season that means even fewer people will go and buy tickets this year!
They lost 70 Million with Last year’s attendance and they only cut 55 Mil from the Payroll which means they are on track to lose another 15-20 Million this year before they try and extend Wright!
So if that truly is the goal then Sandy failed at that as well!
K Maxx, Any day now the 40 year old CJ Nitkowskil will be promoted to get shelled at Citifield.Another one of Sandy’s clearance rack purchases.Btw, i wonder what the record is for homerless games after a 3 homer game.I’m betting Ike goes oh for August and sets a new record.After watching him flail away since the Arizona series, i’m convinced the D.backs pitchers threw him fastballs with no one on to make him look good in front of his friends and family.He is just a shell of what he was before the injury.You would think SA would have gone out and obtained a real right handed first baseman to rest Davis against lefties and spell him for 30-40 games coming off the valley fever scare.Unreal
What I really wonder through all of this: how huge is the gulf between F.O. and players and coaches?
I have to think players and coaches are a unit. So I wonder if they just feel they will do the very best they can despite what they think the F.O. may think. Or…does a group of guys just become so demoralized that they don’t give a ….
Darling said during game last night that a clubhouse can become a pretty lousy place once a team knows they’re out of it. He also implied some players are not treating Thole right. I found that interesting (Ron’s defense of Thole), considering how bad Thole sucks. There was also, by implication, a charge that Hudgens isn’t doing right by guys like Thole.
Well, it’s all spiraling out of control, and it’s more than likely going to end up as a really dreadful year. Such a shame for our 50th anniversary. Somehow I thought the team could at least try to live up to that beautiful patch on their left arms!
All in all, what a demoralizing time. If there’s any way to right this ship, today would be a good one.
I think Terry has been dying to say hey this is what I got to play with but he likes his job and was even forced to go out on a limb, fall on a sword and take the blame for overusing his only lefty Bullpen arm when we all know that all he had what was he going to do?
I also think the GM has forced him to play Bay up till now and Terry pushed the issue to bring up Harvey and since the press got behind it Sandy did it just to stay of the critical eye.
He sure didn’t want to bring him up!
Hi Russ,
Two years straight that the front office has demoralized the club. And it shows.
We can all be subjected to circumstances that create this type of behavior. Just as much as our bosses can make working a pleasant expereince, how often have some also created situations so difficult that one found it hard to go to the office and discovered he or she needs to double and triple check their work noticing the stress, disgust or less enthusiasm was causing them beginning to make errors as well? It’s happened to me and I’m sure it’s happened to many others as well.