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2012
What Is Sandy Alderson Watching?
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ALDERSON: Blowing smoke…
Most of us didn’t expect the Mets to be active at the trade deadline, a thought emphasized by a stretch in which they lost 11 of 13 games. But, to hear GM Sandy Alderson say he opted not to trade Scott Hairston, or anybody else for that matter, by saying he hadn’t given up on the season was a bit too much for me.
“We haven’t given up on the season. We didn’t move players off the team for a reason. We think we have lots of good baseball in front of us, and Scott can be part of that.”
Of course, the Mets could have been more a part of things had they not waited for their collapse, which somewhat slowed in Arizona with the split, but in reality did it really? Since hitting the West Coast time zone, the Mets are 3-3, hardly a stretch to sound the trumpets.
When asked on a conference call why the Mets didn’t act sooner, Alderson said: “There really wasn’t availability. If you’re talking about an impact reliever at the end of the game, and you go back to right after the All-Star break, the market really had not fully formed. … Would a reliever of some renown, some ability, have made a difference? It’s possible.”
“But, about the same time that it would have been nice to get a reliever, our starting pitching went south and we weren’t scoring quite as many runs as we had. So there was a period of time until very recently that we had a number of problems that could have been addressed. The bullpen was just one of those.”
The demise of the starting pitching and offense is true, but to say there was nothing available isn’t accurate, at lease not on the surface. Not all the deals were made at the deadline. The Dodgers and Yankees made acquisitions a week ago. The fact is, and Alderson knows this, that there are few untouchables.
It is understandable the Mets didn’t want to purge their farm system, but not all deals would have meant trading Matt Harvey and/or Zach Wheeler. And, if Alderson really believes the Mets are still in it, then why didn’t they act in the last few days? Jonathan Broxton (to Cincinnati), Wandy Rodriguez (to Pittsburgh) and Francisco Liriano (to the White Sox) were done recently.
The fact is the Mets didn’t want to part with anyone in their farm system – and, it better turn out great after this – and/or don’t really believe they are in it. All acceptable explanations. But, please don’t tell us you’re not giving up on the season and then not do anything. There’s no way, barring a long-shot miracle the Mets can win anything this year with their present roster.
If Alderson really believed there is a chance he should have done something. By not doing so, he let down all those fans who were on the Mets’ bandwagon in the first half, and all those who bought tickets for games in the second half.
Thoughts from Joe D.
John, you seem a little shocked by this. Why? I’m not. Yesterday’s news was exactly what I’ve speculated would happen since mid-July. My posts saying as much were littered with comments that ranged from “It’s too early” (it’s never too early to bolster a team that was leading the wild card standings), to “other teams weren’t making deals either” (which was totally untrue), to “how do you know Sandy’s not working the phones right now” (Umm, okay, if you say so).
If Alderson really has visions of the Mets making the post season now, and was able to get on the phone to say “we’re not dead yet”, and then go after Adam Rubin who challenged that assertion, he must have become a full-fledged member of the CORE in the last 24 hours.
Maybe he really believes this stuff he says, like during the All Star break when he told Steve Serby of the NY Post, that getting Jason Bay back would be “the biggest addition we could hope to get” before the trade deadline. When I later wrote that his quote meant nobody is coming before the trade deadline, I was told by one of our readers that I was “reading too much into his comment.” Was I?
Maybe he was being totally straight up with us when he said “we’re serious lookers right now.” Although when I see or hear the words “serious lookers” I’m thinking more like Kate Beckinsale, Keira Knightly and Natalie Portman.
The problem could be that he’s simply ill-equipped to navigate through this new era of baseball which is filled with much more younger and more progressive GMs than he is. The eighties, when Alderson was in his heyday, seem like a hundred years ago. The eighties is what I listen to on the oldies station on my car stereo.
How else can you explain Sandy’s reasoning when he admits during yesterday’s conference call that a Scott Hairston is the equivalent to a Zack Wheeler or Matt Harvey? That he was looking to get another team’s Top 3 propsect for him, but no team was willing to go there? Is there another GM who holds a utility outfielder in such high esteem? Maybe Tim Byrdak is still here because Alderson seems to frown upon other team’s mid-level prospects while putting his own B-prospects into the “untouchable” category. How can you achieve any deal with a mindset like that?
I think Sandy Alderson is a little out of his element these days. It’s the same feeling I used to get when Jerry Manuel was managing (or attempting to manage) and how the manager in the other dugout always seemed to best him.
I could be wrong, but that’s the feeling I get.
So to answer your question, John, what is Sandy Alderson watching? All I can say is that it’s not the same thing other GMs are watching.
What happens when 2014 finally gets here and we’re no closer to being a viable contender than we are today? What’s the plan after that?
Hey, we’ve waited two years already, and 2013 will be almost over a year from now and then the Mets Rapture is supposed to arrive in the Spring of 2014. We’ll see about that.
About the Author: John Delcos
I am an active member of the BBWAA and have covered Major League Baseball in several capacities for over 20 years, including ten in New York working the Mets' and Yankees' beat. I covered the Baltimore Orioles for eight years and the Cleveland Indians before that. I currently serve as an editor and senior staff writer for Mets Merized Online. Follow me on Twitter @jdelcos.
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Part of the problem with Hairston’s value is like it or not – he’s the Mets best outfielder.
And whose fault is that?
Omar for not providing any top prospects in AA/AAA as usual, Sandy for not adding anything for 2 offseasons, the Wilpons for financially damaging the organization, the players themselves for not producing and the manager for not platooning properly…
How’s that?
Yeah I forgot that Omar got usAAAA Scrubs like Harvey, and Kirk, Vadelspin, Davis, Murphy, Niese, Gee and Dickey!
Yeah he must be the guy to blame not the guy who got us Ramirez, Rauch and Francisco!
I see you conveniently left out the rest of the post where I blamed Sandy and just focused on Omar.
If you think the prospects you named are a good haul for 7 years at the helm, then you should go look at the other teams in the league and get back to me…
Yep because seeing the premise you started with it was pretty clear the rest would be complete and total bull!
You blame Omar and the Wilpons…
I suppose it was Wilpon who orchestrated the deal for Ramizez and Torres for Pagan…
I suppose it was Wilpon who said Rauch was a good buy!
I suppose it was Wilpon who told Sandy not to make a move the team was good as is!
It the players that have failed us not the guy who brought them here and relied on them
It’s the manager who doesn’t platoon correctly with the half assed lefty hefty lineup the GM thought needed another lefthanded bat off the bench before the season started.
Point at ANYONE but Sandy!
Tell me something if Wilpon is running the show and causing all these things why would anyone say Sandy is a good steady GM with a plan when you spend half your time trying to convince the rest of us that it’s not Sandy’s plan at all and all the shots are being called by Wilpon?
Please Oleo you may be dumb enough to think Sandy is being handcuffed here by others but the truth is he has done more to hurt this team than anything the finances, Wilpons or Manager has done.
And if you don’t like the players we have well start blaming the guy who decided who got on the roster!
Why do people pretend that Ramon Ramirez was a 4+ ERA pitcher before the Mets got him?
I don’t get that.
Scenario:
-You’re telling me that if a team’s obvious weakness is the bullpen
-They have an outfield with Pagan-Kirk-Duda-Bay-Hairston-Baxter-Maybe Spin. That potentially 7 players.
-A team offers you a 29 year old reliever who for the last four seasons has AVERAGED 69G, 70IP, 56 Hits Allowed, 2.82 ERA and 58K in exchange for a a below average fielding CF at age 30 who is coming off a .262/.322/.372 season when you have 6 other OF’s and you’re getting another back.
Why are you acting like taking that deal was a BAD idea?
Did it work? No not yet. But stop acting like the Mets traded for a reliever who had a history of 4.33ERA 1.55WHIP. Because they didn’t.
Did it work? No not yet. But stop acting like the Mets traded for a reliever who had a history of 4.33ERA 1.55WHIP. Because they didn’t.”
LMAO, this from the same guy who bashed the marlins for giving reyes that contract? Can’t have it both ways man… Reyes has 5 more years to prove that deal… Ramirez only had this year no? See the difference? For all we know, reyes can go the next 5 years on fire…
You’re slurpiness of sandy and him having a good day and you being wrong as hell about it gotta stop…
Same reason people pretend jason Bay is a 30 HR guy before we got him!
Doesn’t matter what you did, it only matters what you do!
Obviously the Giants saw the good in Pagan and that he was worth more than BOTH the players we got back for him!
They gave up two guys for a guy you would say was worthless!
They knew something you and Sandy didn’t know apparently!
So you’re trying to say people should have seen this performance coming from Jason Bay?
A bad idea is signing a singles hitter 2B with declining stats and a beat up body to a 4 year/$25mil contract at age 31.
A bad idea is NOT when you sign a 30 year old OF coming off 36HR 119 RBI and for his 6 year career as a starter has averaged .280 30HR 99 RBI.
The fact Bay turned out the way he did doesn’t mean it was a bad “idea” to get him. It means the Mets had terrible luck with regard to his signing.
Acquiring Ramon Ramirez for an aging underperforming OF was not a bad idea. It just didn’t work yet. There’s a big difference between the two concepts.
Yep!
Thats what the GM gets paid to do!
An Aging underperforming OF for and even older and NON-PERFORMING reliever!
A bad idea is making ridiculous claims like you do jessup without putting the trade into context about what it did to improve or not improve a team. But then Sandy butt lovers always try revisionist history since the Sandy history reord is a total unalduterated failure and you all will be unemployed when he finally gets the axe.
Since coming off the DL Ramirez has held opponents to a .222 .364 .254 .618 line while having a 3.63 ERA, that is including his blow up. If you take it out, as some here love to do when it proves their point, then he has allowed 2 ER in 13 games and around 16 innings.
Since July 1st Torres has hit .311 .400 .377 .777
Since July 1st Pagan has hit .210 .244 .309 .553
Still a little bit early to say who got the best of that trade.
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It’s too early to tell right? Because of a small sample size?
yet to make the point you went out of your way to make the sample size even smaller because if you didn’t you would see whatbthe FULL SAMPLE size says!
We got taken by the Giants!
See you’re not making any sense. I’m sorry but if you’re going to come here and tell me in the winter of 2011 Ramirez didn’t have a track record to support that deal then you either WANT to hate the Mets front office or you’re just blind.
Some ideas don’t work right away. That doesn’t mean they were bad ideas. Stop acting like the Mets acquired a guy who had a history of 4.50 ERA. It didn’t happen.
Jessp thing is these guys are whining for the Mets to bring in relievers that have no where near as good a stats as Ramirez did when he came in.
Why not you keep pretending that Pagan wasn’t a .270+ hitter!
Yup, .270 BA. Not pretending anything. Of course in your world that is the only way to judge a player. Again, what the hell is wrong with saying it’s too early? I am willing to bet that we won’t be able to judge the trade as a win or failure for either team when it’s over, much less now. It’s two crappy OF and a middle reliever.
You want more metrics?
How about Torres isn’t much better with the glove either…..986 FP vs Pagan’s .980! A difference of .006 is worth .038 in BA? Also 7 SBs,4 HRs, Two Trples, 10 Doubles, 51 Hits and 10 RBI ?
Yeah other than OBP .040 which is all about walks Show us a metric that Torres actually trumps all those!
Did I say that Pagan was having a worse season than Torres? I am saying the difference is minimal and for the same price we got a reliever who I still think is decent. So if you were to use any type of combination stat that could compare the worth of Torres and Ramirez to that of Pagan alone I think the trade at worst would be a wash.
I am not huge on WAR but Torres is at 1.1 and Pagan 1.2. Ramirez is at .2 so WE WIN…. LOL.
“Did I say that Pagan was having a worse season than Torres? ”
You sure as hell tried by claiming there are other ways to judge players…
have you come up with any yet that turns that deal to the gold you and jessup thought it was at the time?
Funny I remember jessup once laughing and calling me crazy for suggesting My scouting ability might be better than some guys who get paid to do it!
Afterall he listened to them for the source of his opinions while I was looking at the numbers and the players myself and making my own determination before I screamed at the dumbness of the Pagan trade…
Yet I came out with the right answer and he and his scouts did not!
Yeah I’m crazy like a fox dude!
Who won the trade and why Metsie? Sure looks like a wash to me. As for thinking it was a win for the Mets? Sure, why not. Pagan turned out to be exactly what we thought he was and between Torres and Kirk they basically replaced him while taking a chance on a reliever that had a 2.77 ERA in 276 games from 2008-2011. Yeah bad risk.
Giants clearly won it…They got rid of a bad Bullpen arm and improved their CF at the same time!
Alderson is a dinosaur just like me. We are extinct and don’t know it yet. I’ll expand more on that later, the TV repairman is here with the new tubes for my 1960′s RCA black and white.
Did you ever get the plastic to put on TV screen and see it in colors. That was our first “color TV” .
Actually the very first TV used a spinning colored wheel!
Alderson is too old and can’t keep up with the new ways of doing things. He’s also not traditionalist enough and relies too much on the new ways.
He needs to believe in this team as it is by overhauling it in a month.
He needs to make moves so we can be as successful as thew 1973 team that didn’t acquire anyone at the deadline.
Our players aren’t good enough to get anyone decent, but we should trade them for talent that will turn us into playoff contenders.
Am I doing this right?
Ah, donal is so cute….. hey donal, don’t forget to run to site man and beg him to ban everyone who has a brain… what’s a matter donal sandy didn’t feed you the lies of the day?????? Hey, donal, since you can’t trade anyone and its the right thing to do the team must have the 25 best guys in the history of the game right, I guess they just play bad because they don’t like the fans or the park or the city or the manager.. right puppet. The only one who isn’t at fault is lord sandy…. right puppet..
I second what Joe D said!
I said it a year ago when Crawford got his big contract and Sandy reacted like someone had mangled his cat!
He wants to pay players based on 1990 Pay scales.
He thinks his players are worth what they were back in the 90′s when teams didn’t care as much about prospects because they were all filling in via Free Agency.
And I’m not sure what happened to the guy thought to bring statistical analysis to the forefront cause whatever analysis he has done so far has not worked out for him.
If Sandy couldn’f find one player to deal for that would make for an improved 2013 team then guess what, he won’t find one in the offseason either!
He is incapable of finding good players without trading an all star it seems! And he’s only 1 for 2 on that front as well!
SA is watching an ownership family trying to hold onto a team they can no longer afford.
And the usual slurping continues…. Same people in all articles defending their saber lord…. Really Really Sad…
I sometimes wonder what Mets fans would have to say in the late early years of the 1980′s if only Al Gore had invented the internet by then.
I wonder if the same comments and patience would have been afforded to Frank Cashen with such articulate and classy language.
Kay – I can’t even imagine the wires that would have burned up across the internet if it were around the day they traded Seaver.
It was a very bad day, sad day to say the least for mets fans.. But trust me, and you should know this, out of all the GM’s we’ve had, this guy is the worst, but he’s your pied piper. you won’t admit it…
LOL, you’re a man on a mission, Alex. Obsessed comes to mind.
I’ve stated my opinions enough for anyone reading here regularly. I put the blame for the Mets situation where I think it begins and ends: ownership.
Problem with the ‘core’s’ mindset is you either have to hate the FO or love the FO. If you’re not on here daily ranting on and on and on and on about this FO, you obviously must love it.
You cannot be more wrong. The majority are intelligent enough to know it’s too soon to tell how much better or worse this FO is compared to past regimes. Ya’ll need to stop trying to pigeon hole us on one side or the other of this invisible fence you created.
I’ll say to you what I said to Oleo…
If you believe it’s the Wilpons calling the shots then how the hell can you have faith in a GM who doesn’t have a plan and is just doing whatever Wilpon tells him to do?
How can you complement or trust a guy for being a steady and competent GM when he isn’t calling the shots being made?
I find it odd that people think Sandy has a plan and then when that plan goes badly it wasn’t his plan it was someone else’s!
Reeks of the dog ate my homework!
All you have to do is follow the trail of money. It’s so obvious to me.
It’s all about saving the team for the WIlpons and nothing but.
So then you Agree Sandy doesn’t have a plan, Sandy isn’t working to mak the team better, Sandy isn’t making smart moves and he will not ever do that until the Wilpons get rich again.
Yet we are supposed to trust this guy because he is smart and makes good moves if not for the Wilpons getting in the way of his genius?
What proof do you have that he will ever get this team to a point where the Wilpons won’t affect him?
Or is the REAL AGENDA and reason for all this Gushing about the greatness of Sandy hidden in the subconcious that if he makes the team suck so bad the WIlpons will have to sell it and thereby make our team good again?
Is this the long term plan you folks keep talking about here?
Either Sandy has what it takes to fix this team with the owners as they are or he can’t!
If he can’t then it’s time to get someone who can!
But you can’t on one hand Say Sandy is a doing a great job and then blame the results on the Wilpons. Either Sandy is doing a good job DESPITE them or he is not doing a good job and should just quit and say there is no way to succeedd with this ownership and go back to working for his friend Bud Selig!
A dog with a bone, Metsie…..
Let me save you the trouble. I’m not going to change my mind right now.
It’s all about saving the team for the Wilpons. If they can field a competitive team – get them to post season soon – pack the house – sell out the merchandise….all sooner rather than later – even better. Then they won’t have to sell. In the meantime, the checkbook is closed.
Goes without saying that winning would solve that problem with them. Winning takes investing in the team. Problem is they don’t have a penny to invest right now. It’s a catch-22 for them.
Srt let me preface by saying what I said above applies less to you than it does for others…
But there are a few people here who seem to think Sandy deserves praise or the benefit of the doubt as a smart and savy GM but then go and blame anything he has done that hasn’t worked out on Wilpon.
Maybe it is the WIlpons fault I’m not debating that I can’t say but if it is then all that bull about how great a job Sandy is doing is nothing but vomit because he isn’t really calling a single shot Wilpon is.
Exactly SRT, honestly I don’t give a damn who the GM is but yet I get labeled all the time. SOS. When he got here I said I would give him until the end of 2013 and nothing has happened to change that. All the whining and groaning among Mets fans is getting old. I am not sure if the internet or blogging is a good thing anymore when it comes to enjoying a team.
You get labeled because everything you think is good that happens gets credited to Sandy while everything that goes wrong is someone else’s fault!
Metsie, I can’t remember the last time I credited Sandy with a damn thing so go whine about something to someone else. I have told you over and over that I am not a Sandy worshiper, just patient and willing to see him out to what I said when he got here.
Ok tell us how long before we can expect your application for membership to the CORE?
2 Years? 5 Years? 25 years?
You sure do make excuses for his failures whenever you post though don’t you?
What you seemingly fail to grasp is none of us are interested in arguing or calling Sandy what we see him as…
What causes these posts are the fact that there are a few ingnorant posters who make excuses for what is clearly NOT a good job!
And they try to blame everything that goes bad on someone else and never take Sandy to task for his failures and lack of action!
So why do you lump people like me, SRT, NJtx, Stick or any of us in the Sandy worshiping group? Is it because you can’t stand those with different views than your own?
As for being a member of the core? Nah, I traded my decoder ring in when I was 6.
No (and read my post to SRT above)
It’s because you are the ones going out of your way to find excuses for Sandy’s sucking after three months of you saying he was a good GM and smart and making moves you now (after seeing how good those moves were) want to blame on someone else!
Anyone but Sandy is to blame!
How much does he pay you?
Or (I’ll play your old game on you now) Perhaps your not really MET fans and just fans of Sandy!
LOL, right back to the same ole thing. Again, I have yet to see you provide an example of me making excuses for Sandy other than the fact that I am going to be patient and wait until the end of 2013 like I said the day he arrived.
I will say the Wheeler move was great but other than that I don’t think they have done that much, the question that we always disagree on is if they should have yet. However, why do we have to discuss this every damn day?
Because every day someone makes up someother excuse for why Sandy has done nothing or what heb has done is not so bad and you then come in to cheer them on!
THATS why we talk about it everyday!
Except on days the Apologists all huddle down at Alderson Avenue to come with a new strategy because events killed the one they thought they had and had been using this week!
Metsie, I can’t remember the last time I credited Sandy with a damn thing”
that’s because none of us can’t remember when he did anything to get credit for…
Maybe Alex. However, that still doesn’t make up for the fact that just because I have a different viewpoint than you or am more patient means that I am a Sandy worshiping apologist.
Never called YOU that… But you can’t deny that there are some people that defend him and have defended him for the hell of defending him… there’s one guy specially who is looking in every hole manageable to look for excuses to defend his “he had a good day” article… To the point to say we should wait on ramirez before calling him a bust…
So because of your feud with Jessp you drag all of us through this crap EVERY day?
We don’t drag you into, you drag yourself into by constantly going Ata Boy Jessup!
Anytime he comes up with his latest why the dog ate my homework excuse…
You know like the one about how the Bullpen isn’t as bad as it seems?
Eh, the bullpen is bad. However, Rauch, Ramirez and FFF are not the biggest reasons.
Rauch, Ramirez and FFF are not the biggest reasons”
ARE YOU SERIOUS?????
Rauch 3-7 3.58 Francisco 1-3 4.97 Ramirez 2-2 4.33
That’s 10 out of 21 Losses, more than 33% alone for those 3, combined ERA of 4.35 out of the 5.04 ERA the mets bullpen collectively has… Also, those 3 are responsible for 10 Blown saves…. out of 17 the mets have.. Yeah, those 3 are not the biggest reason we’re so bad in the bullpen… If that’s not trying to defend sandy i don’t know what is!
How’s the pen done closing games without FFF?
Back to the question, if the team BP ERA is over 5.00 and their ERA is 4.28 (by my count) then how bad is the rest of the pen? Something like 6.50?
And you can’t forget about Carrasco. And because he failed to sign a 2nd lefty in his 1st two off seasons, Byrdak, has been overused and misused. It’s already starting to show in the numbers, his ERA has climbed all the way to 4.45 – You can’t expect a 38 year old pitcher to lead the league in appearances and not have his performance suffer from it.
Also, by keeping Carrasco on the 40 Man, prevented us from keeping a relief pitcher that could have help in the future in, Rhiner Cruz.
So, his mishandling of the bullpen goes deeper than just Rauch, Ramirez, and Francisco.
Again, Vinny the pen is a mess and he did not fix it. However, what I was saying again is that the big 3 that everyone jumps on are not the problem. The problem was Acosta, Beato, Elvin, all have ERA over 8 and two over 10.
I agree that they aren’t the ONLY problems.
Alderson made other bad moves in the pen as well. like Carrasco, and going with only one lefty for half the season……and other pitchers he brought in like Batista and Betao have been downright ineffective out of the pen.
You would love to just limit the conversation to those three wouldn’t you TRS?
Problem is we aren’t focusing on them we are talking about the Two Attempts to make the pen better and each time having it only result in a worse pen than before!
All of this is on Sandy’s record as far as moves he made!
As for it’s not just them as being the biggest reason they most certainly ARE the biggest reason because if they did thier job then the parade of arms that have been thrown in there to avoid using them wouldn’t have gotten into a game!
more revisionist history. Another bad job by a blind follower. for your information dearest Kay , which of course you will deny, Frank Cashen didn’t sit on his butt and do nothing. now go back to lord Sandy HQ and get the next false thing to spew out.
You’re Amazin for once! “more revisionist history. Another bad job by a blind follower. for your information dearest Kay , which of course you will deny, Frank Cashen didn’t sit on his butt and do nothing. ”
Cashen took over a 63 win team, they went on to win 67, 41 (out of 103g), 65, 68 games before winning 90.
So explain to me real quick why you’re tooting Cashen’s horn and acting like he fixed everything overnight. Cashen needed 4 seasons, you’ve given Sandy 2.
Cashen also inherited the #1 overall pick in Strawberry. In fact you could argue that the Mets made very similar roster moves from 80-84 as today’s Mets. Low cost, low risk players while you wait for your future stars to develop. They grabbed Straw and then 2 years later got Doc in the draft.
Stop acting like Cashen walked into Shea Stadium and turned water into wine overnight.
No one is claiming cashen turnedthem around overnight…
But he didn’t sit on his hands to turn them around either the way Sandy has done for two offseasons now…
What were the first two moves Cashen made when he got here?
What were the first two moves Sandy Made?
You’re right.
He traded away Lee Mazzilli and traded for George Foster (1982)and Dave Kingman (1981).
Jessep, cashen was already on championships winning teams, like the orioles of 1966 and 1970 before becoming the mets GM in 1980 by doubleday way after the offseason had begun.. so his tenure would’ve started really in 1981…
Prior to 1980 as you obviously failed to point out the mets had won 63, 66 and 64 games, so the franchise was in shambles big time.. Cashen had guts and was not afraid to make trades, Sign Foster, and traded away mazzilli, then sign Darryl when people were skeptical of him, he then proceeded to trade for howard johnson as well as keith hernandez and gary carter so please do not be disrespectful and put cashen in the same sentence with that loser GM of yours ok..
ahh, another thing, he’s cashen most memorable quote of all time:
“I can’t tell you when are we going to win the pennant, I think we’re going to win the pennant, if I didn’t have this feeling I would not have taken the job.”
Frank cashen after being hired as the NY METS GM in january 1980
So, Alderson hasn’t been part of any championship or playoff teams?
Huh.
2009 Mets 70-92
2010 Mets 79-83
plus all the payroll bloat and weaknesses on the farm
Now obviously, Cashen wins out for a very specific reason, but don’t pretend like his track record prior to coming here was all that different from Alderson’s.
Once again Amazing chimes in with his/her juvenile comments that make no sense with the blind follower comment, do you know how to read, what did I say that makes me a blind follower, I didn’t even mention SA. The “sitting on his hands” comment is very cute too.
Secondly – let’s revisit that history. The difference TODAY between some of Cashen moves and SA’s moves is that you know how the story ended with Cashen’s.
The Mazzili trade was similar to the Beltran trade in that he traded away the fan favorite for a prospect in Ron Darling (as well as Walt Terrell). I am NOT SAYING Maz was as good as Beltran, but was popular with the fans and was not looked upon favorably. We know how that ended, we do NOT know how the Wheeler/Beltran trade yet, but as those that call others out for blind faith the same could be same for blind hatred.
Hernandez – be honest, that trade FELL into the Mets laps. Cards, FO was not happy with Keith and there was clearly animosity brewing and they wanted him out of town. Oh yeah and that didn’t happen until FC was here for 3 years.
I am not arguing what FC did, but it happened 6 years after he got here, and yet from day 1 the arm chair GM’s here are convinced they can do better.
FC also didn’t have the Wilpons as the sole owners, an ownership that included millions in outstanding loans, with a pending billion dollar lawsuit. Didn’t also have to cut payroll by 50M.
So according to SA’s wisdom, if he sees a spark, flame in your house and he sees a thunder cloud in the are with possible rain coming then we shouldn’t call the fire dept or alert the owners cause the coming “storm” will stop the fire, never mind that most of the innards will be destroyed but the house “team” will be saved for future inhabitants.
Really does he really think that anyone other than his FO yes people are buying that?
We have seen that spark coming and are calling for someone to put it out but since the house has lost it’s value lately in the mkt, then just getting what he can from insurance or hoping that cloud with rain arrives is the only strategy he has, someone please help us.
No. It’s more that the house is already on fire, the garage is rotting, the roof leaks and now the toilet has backed up. So it’s silly to call a plumber.
If that’s the case, then you trade Hairston for a decent prospect or two. Right? Because if it’s a complete disatser and we have no shot at the playoffs, then we have no need for Hairston because he’s a FA next year.
You still gotta live in the house for 2 months. Why throw out the fridge for those two months just to buy a lottery ticket?
LoL this has to be the funniest analogy I’ve seen this season.
So, you would rather have Hairston play here for 2 months in meaningless games, leave as FA and get nothing in return. Instead of trading Hairston for players that could potentially help us in the future?
Come on. If you think the Mets are done, it makes no sense to keep Hairston around because the Mets have nothing to gain by keeping him – You gain NOTHING by keeping Hairston if you feel we are done. However, we CAN gain something if we trade him for prospects.
The only reason why you keep Hairston is if you think you still have a shot at the playoffs – That’s the only reason that makes sense.
And just to be clear, I don’t personally feel that the Mets are done. What I’m trying to say is, that if you feel the Mets have a chance, then you go out and try to increase your chances. And if you feel the Mets have no chance, then you go out and try to increase your chances for next season, and the years after that.
Doing nothing was the worst move the Mets could make. We could have helped the team chances for this year, or we could have helped the teams chances in the future. Instead, we chose to not help the team for this season, OR in future seasons.
And Sandy fiddles while it burns!
he knows they are out of it, he only says that so the fans wont get angry.
So Scott Hairston is equivalent to Carlos beltran